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A70157 A just defence and vindication of Gospel ministers and Gospel ordinances against the Quakers many false accusations, slanders and reproaches. In ansvver to John Horwood his letter, and E.B. his book, called, A just and lawful tryal of the ministers and teachers of this age, and several others. Proving the ministers calling and maintenance just and lawful, and the doctrine of perfection by free justification, preached by them, agreeable to the scriptures. VVith the Quakers objections answered. And the Quakers perfection by hearkning to, and obeying a light within them, proved contrary to the scriptures. And their practices in ten particulars proved contrary to the commands and examples of Christ and his apostles. By a lover of gospel ministers and gospel ordinances. Gaskin, John, fl. 1660. 1660 (1660) Wing G290; ESTC R223664 109,852 161

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noble Festus though a Heathen Governour he gave him the title of Honour that of right did belong unto him Pauls being a Christian did not make him brutish and uncivil the Apostle knew that Christianitie did not destroy good manners and what the Apostle practised the same he taught unto others as you may read in his Epistle to the Romans Render therefore to all their dues Tribute to whom Tribute is due Custome to whom Custome Fear to whom Fear and Honour to whom Honour and in the next verse Owe no man any thing but to love one another implying that it is a debt that is owing to men in authoritie and whosoever doth deny the paying of these dues of Tribute to whom Tribute is due and Custome to whom Custome and Fear to whom Fear and Honour to whom Honour are debtors to them though they be Heathen Governours for there were no other among the Romans at that time Also the Apostle to Timothy exhorteth That first of all Supplications Prayers Intercessions and giving of thanks be made for all men For Kings and for all that are in Authority that we may live a quiet and peaceable life in all godlyness and honesty The Apostle was no enemy to Kings and other Magistrates but commanded to pray for them though they were Heathens and persecuted the Christians but you Quakers instead of praying for them or owning the name or titles of Kings or Nobles revile them and curse them calling them at the best but by their ordinary names Also the Apostle exhorteth Children to obey their Parents for this is right Honour thy father and mother which is the first Commandement with promise But you teach that the ten Commandements are abolished and is it honouring of Parents to call them William or Jone Also the Apostle to Timothie Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honour though heathens If any man teach otherwise as you Quakers doe and consent not to wholsome words even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine which is according to godlyness he is proud knowing nothing but doting about questions and strifes of words whereof cometh envie strife railings evil surmisings Now do you think that those servants who call them onely by their names and deny that title of Masters as some do do count them worthy of all honour And the Apostle exhorteth That the Elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour especially they that labour in the Word and Doctrine but you deny that any should either rule in the Church or have any honour Also the Apostle Peter exhorteth to submit your selves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake whether it be to the King as Supream or unto Governours and fear God honour the King Surely the Apostle was no Quaker for the Apostle giveth the title of King to the Supream Magistrate and would have him and all other Governours to be honoured but you will give no honour nor titles of honor to any man Also the same Apostle exhorteth Wives to be subject to their own Husbands and bringeth the example of Sarah for their imitation Even as Sarah obeyed Abraham calling him Lord. Whose Daughters or Children ye are as long as ye do well We never read that Sarah called her Husband Abraham or that ever she left her Husband and Family to go up and down from one place to another place to teach as some of you women Quakers do contrary to the Apostles command Keepers at home obedient to their own Husbands that the word of God be not Blasphemed This by the way Also the Apostle John directeth his second Epistle Unto the elect Lady and her Children And now I beseech thee Lady You Quakers never learned of the Apostle to call a Lady Gammer nor persons of a noble descent Gaffer and Edward as some of you Quakers have done Also the Keepers of the Prison fell down before Paul and Silas and said Sirs VVhat must I do to be saved Now the word Sirs is a Title of Honour as much as to say in our Language Lords and if it had been a sin in them to give them that Title surely the Apostles would have reproved them for it as they did those that would have worshipped them with divine worship saying VVe also are men of like passions with you VVhy do ye these things Now by all these examples of Christ and his Apostles it appears that there is and ought to be honour and reverence given to Superiors But you are so brutish and ignorant that you cannot distinguish between divine honour and civil honour forgetting that Scripture But you object that the Apostle saith that in Christ Jesus ye are all one There is neither bond nor free male nor 〈◊〉 and thou answer that a Christian is to be considered two ways First as he is in Christ that is in the matter of salvation there is no difference nor respect of persons but all are equal and alike Secondly Christians are to be considered as they are Members of a Common-wealth or of a Family and so there is a great difference and inequality of persons and that I would have you mind For if the woman should be the man if the Subject should be the Magistrate if the Son should be the Father if the Servant should be the Master would not these things bring a confusion of all states and of all things for it is impossible that mankind should be governed without these differences of persons states and degrees of men both in the Church and Common-wealth which persons ought of right to have the honour and respect due to them by all persons Christians as well as others unlesse you would have Christians more brutish then Heathens and in that you do deny the same you shew your selves so to be and therefore are not perfect and so I come to a sixth particular in which you walk contrary to the command and example of Christ and his Apostles The sixth perticular is your judging and condemning all persons that are not of your judgement and opinion That it is your practise so to do is apparently known to all that have read your Books ore that have had any society or conference with you Jona Dell in his Voyce from the Temple saith that all that are of the Baptist opinion are in the state of Reprobation And Benjamin Wallis one of your Teachers in Branford on a Tuesday being Market day and Lecture day said in the open street that they were all damned that followed the teaching of the Priests also he said in Cheeswick in an open field in the presence of many that all that followed the Teachers Doctrine that taught in the Steeple houses were all damned Now that this is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles is plain by these Scriptures Judge not
Geneva because that Church hath and is counted one of the best reformed Churches from Popery and therefore I hope you will not say they were Popish writers and I am certain they were no Quakers for they observed Christ his ordinance of Baptisme which you deny teaching that it is of no use now in the Church in which you disobey Christ his command and walk contrary to his practice and walk contrary to the practice of the Apostles and all the Ministers of the Gospel in the best reformed Churches and therefore are not perfect But you say that if it be lawful now to Baptize yet is it not lawful to Baptize Children and therefore our Ministers do that which Christ never commanded which is the thing you all fly unto when you are put upon the tryal of the lawfulnesse of Baptisme and that is one of E. B. his objections against our Ministers in his book called A just and lawful tryal of the Teachers and professed Ministers of this age and generation by a prefect proceeding against them and justly weighed measured and condemned Which book was given me by a Quaker in London as being unanswerable I have answered already all the chief grounds and reasons alledged in the said book against our Ministers but this being one ground that our Ministers Baptize or sprinkle Infants and tells them they are Christians before they preach to them contrary to the practice of Christ and his Apostles Now although it was not in the least any part of my intention when I began to write to medle with that controversie of Baptizing Childen because I was to write against Antibaptists not Anabaptists yet finding since that Quakers who are Antibaptists in that they deny all Water-baptisme do make that one of their chief grounds against the lawfulnesse of our Ministers both in their writings and disputings I was moved to bestow a little more time and labour in answering you in that particular although I might have saved that labour in regard Mr. Richard Baxter hath so plainly proved the lawfulnesse of Infant-baptisme in his answer to Mr. Tombes but because I know you Quakers do not usually read any books but such as are of your own stamp or such as are written in opposition to your opinions I shall write such grounds and reasons as I conceive are sufficient to prove the lawfulnesse of Infant-baptisme Wherefore I shall first lay down this assertion That the Covenant of Grace which God made from the beginning with Adam and renewed unto Abraham is the same for substance which we have now in the dayes of the Gospel and as he did give Circumcision a Sign and Seal of that Covenant before Christ his coming in the flesh whereby they and their children were distinguished from the Heathen Gentiles so hath the Lord Christ appointed Baptisme a Signe and Seal of the same Covenant in the dayes of the Gospel whereby all those that believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ they and their children are also distinguished from Heathen Infidels that believe not the Gospel Now the Covenant of Grace was made to the children of all those that are within the Covenant I will establish my Covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee for an everlasting Covenant to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee Now all those that are of the Faith of Abraham are the seed of Abraham and if ye be Christs then are ye Abrahams seed and Heirs according to the promise and the Father to them that are not of Circumcision but also walk in the steps of that Faith of our Father Abraham Now the children after Christ his coming in the flesh were counted within the Covenant so as to be accounted visible Members of the Church and so capable of the outward external Sign and Seal of the Covenant I shall prove first by the words and example of 〈◊〉 ●imself when they brought Infants unto him 〈…〉 saw it and they rebuked them but 〈…〉 and said suffer little Children to 〈…〉 not for of such is the kingdome of God Now if children belong to the Kingdome of God then surely the Seals of the Kingdome do belong unto them Also when Christ gave Commission to his Disciples he said Go ye therefore and teach all Nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost Now are not children part of the Nations and if you say they must be taught first I answer that Mr. Baxter hath proved that by Teaching is in the Original Disciple them where he also proveth that children are Disciples as well as others Also the Apostle Peter said unto those converts in the Acts Repent and be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins For the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call Now if the Promise did belong unto their children surely the Seal of the Promise doth belong unto them and it cannot be Circumcision for that was abolished wherefore it must needs be Baptisme which is the Badge or Seal whereby Christions are distinguished from others Also the Apostle writing to the Corinthians some men having unbelieving Wives and the Women unbelieving Husbands were in doubt whether they might live together the Apostle therefore doth resolve their scruples telling them that there was no cause of separation for saith he The unbelieving Wife is sanctified by the believing Husband and the unbelieving Husband by the believing Wife else were your Children unclean but now they are holy Where the Apostle cannot be understood of any inherent holinesse but rather a relative holinesse which makes the person capable of being a member of the visible Church by the Ordinance of Baptisme I know the Anabaptists say the meaning is else were your children Illegitimate that is base born but that cannot be the Apostles meaning for the Apostle saith that the unbeliever is sanctified by the believer Now I never read in Scripture that being lawfully Married made children holy or unholy for I believe Jews and Turks are lawfully Married but that doth not make their children holy but if that interpretation were granted it will serve to prove the point in controversie for no Bastard was to be admitted into the Church and Congregation of the Jews and were therefore not to partake of holy things but all children that were born being not Bastards were admitted visible members of the Church and were capable of that federate relative holinesse and if the Apostles meaning be of their being not base born but legitimate then I say he doth thereby intimate that then their children were capable of being made visible members of the Church by Baptisme as well as the children of the Jews by Circumcision or else the Jewes and their children had a greater priviledge in the time of the Law
and holding it awry with dejected countenances which as I said before is usuall among you Quakers Now to shew you your error in these things mind what the Lord saith by the Prophet Isaiah concerning the Hypocriticall Jews in his time to bow down the head as a bulrush and Christ doth describe the hypocrites in his time by the same saying they are of a sad countenance for they disfigure their faces Now consider how contrary these practises are to what the Scripture holds forth in the dayes of the Gospel the Prophet Isaiah prophesiing of Christs coming in the flesh saith Sing unto the Lord a new song and his prayses from the end of the earth ye that go down to the Sea and all that is therein the ●sles and the Inhabitants thereof By the Isles some Interpreters do understand our Islands of Britain And fear not I have redeemed thee I have called thee by my Name thou art mine Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return and come with singing unto Sion and mind everlasting joy shall be upon their head they shall obtain gladness and joy and sorrow and mourning shall flee away I even I am he that comforteth you who art thou that thou shouldest be afraid How beautiful are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings that publisheth peace that bringeth good tidings of good that publisheth salvation thy watch-men shall lift up the voice With the voice together shall they sing break forth into joy sing together mind The Ministers of the Gospel their feet are beautifull they bring good tidings of peace and salvation they shall lift up the voyce with the voice together with the people shall they sing contrary to the practice of your teachers or praters who revile against singing But the Prophet David prophesiing of Christs Kingdom saith The voice of rejoycing and salvation is in the Tabernacles of the the righteous and this salvation made the Virgin Mary to sing My soul doth magnifie the Lord and my spirit hath rejoyced in God my Saviour and this salvation caused the heavenly Host to sing Gods prayses saying Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace good will towards men And Christ said to his Disciples Rejoyce that your names are written in heaven and the Apostle Paul saith The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost The Apostle did not place the Kingdome of God in meat and drink nor apparel as you Quakers do And the same Apostle exhorteth the Philippians to rejoyce in the Lord and to rejoyce in Christ Jesus and rejoyce in the Lord alway and again I say rejoyce and he commendeth the Thessalonians that they received the word in much affliction with joy of the Holy Ghost and exhorteth them to rejoyce evermore and this joy of the soul though it be inward in the heart yet it is manifested in the countenance an outward gesture as Salomon the wise saith A merry heart maketh a chearful countenance and a sad heart a dejected countenance a●● example we have in Cain having a guilty conscience it is said his countenance fell and the Lord said unto Cain Why art thou worth and why is thy countenance fallen The Lord would have Cain know that his countenance did discover the guilt of his inward part his soul I cannot believe that those who have true inward peace and joy can have such heavie dejected countenances as most of you Quakers generally have I can know you by your countenances though I never saw you before nor heard you speak and I wonder not that you are generally of such heavie dejected countenances because you do not believe that you are justified by faith but by what you do act and work or by what is acted and wrought in you Now the Apostle saith Being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom also we access by Faith into this grace wherein we stand and rejoyce in hope of the glory of God and hope maketh not ashamed because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts and not onely so but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom we have now received the Attonement Oh that the Lord would by his Spirit perswade your hearts to believe this Doctrine of Iustification by faith alone and then I doubt not but you would soon change your countenances And yet I know the natural constitution of the body doth much prevail with many for those that are of a melancholy constitution cannot so well express the joy and comfort in the heart as those that are of another temper and it is my charity to believe that most of you Quakers are of that melancholy temper which doth much help forward your Quaking fits and your dejected countenances But if your hearts were well grounded in the Doctrine of Justification by free grace it would bring you some of your quaking fits and would make you strive to express the peace and joy of your hearts by your countenances for I believe it is a sin to walk so heavily with such dejected countenances because I conceive it bringeth dishonour to God that his people should walk so as if God had never sent a Christ to save them and redeem them and purchased heaven for them is he not gone to prepare a place for them It is for wicked men who have not tasted nor seen the goodnesse of the Lord in the Land of the Living whose portion is only in this Life so to walk Also it is a sin because it is a means to hinder others from coming into the society and company of the godly for will not they think and say Surely these are none of Gods children that look as though they never had any joy or comfort in all their lives I have heard some persons say when they have come to the Quakers meetings to hear them and seeing in what posture they sit hanging down their heads sighing and groaning I will never be of this Religion for these people look like a company of condemned persons that were going to be executed liker then Christians that hoped to be saved by Christ Wherefore I conclude this particular that this your practice of Quaking and dejected carriage is a sin and therefore you are not perfect And so I come to the tenth and the last which I shall trouble you and my self with The tenth perticular practise much used by you Quakers is Lying now that ling is a sin I need not trouble my self to prove I hope you will all confess it I wish I could convince you that you are guilty thereof which I hope I shall plainly prove and first Do not you say that you are perfect free from all sin which I have already proved to be false therefore you maintain a lie nay you do make God a lier