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A26759 The utter routing of the whole army of all the Independents and Sectaries, with the totall overthrow of their hierarchy ..., or, Independency not Gods ordinance in which all the frontires of the Presbytery ... are defended ... / by John Bastvvick, captain in the Presbyterian army. Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. 1646 (1646) Wing B1072; ESTC R10739 685,011 796

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also the word is capable of this construction as may be proved if need required so that the conclusion doth follow And truly that of Saint Paul in the first of the Galatians is an excellent Argument to evince that there were more Congregations in Ierusalem then one where proving that hee had not received the Gospel which hee preached from men but from God hee useth this reason That if hee had received it from men it must bee from the Iewes and from the Apostles for the Gentiles were ignorant of it and hee was to carry the Gospel unto them and therefore they could not teach it him and to prove that hee received it not from the Apostles hee thus speaketh of himselfe When it pleased God to reveale his Sonne unto mee that I might preach him amongst the Heathen I immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood neither went I up to Ierusalem to them that were Apostles before me but I went into Arabia Then after three yeares I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter and aboade with him fifteene dayes but other of the Apostles saw I none save James the Lords Brother Out of the which words besides the singular testimony wee have that the preaching and writings of Saint Paul are the Gospell of Iesus Christ and the Word of the living God against the Papists we may evidently gather against the Independents that after the persecution there were more believers in Ierusalem then either did or could all meet in one place for in saying that he was with Peter fifteen dayes but in all that time saw none of the Apostles save Iames this I say is a sufficient Argument to prove more Congregations and assemblies of beleevers in the Church of Ierusalem which so imployed the Apostles in their severall Ministeries asthey had not so much spare time to visit Paul and that Paul also was so taken up in preaching there that he had no leisure to visit them And for the diligence of the Apostles in their Ministry it is said in the sixth of the Acts That they gave themselves continually to prayer and to the Ministery of the Word and therefore they were never idle and that the Apostles either all or the most of them continued resident for many years in Ierusalem before they distributed themselves into severall Nations and Countries and that very few of them were sent abroad there are frequent testimonies in the Acts of the Apostles neither as yet did I ever hear it scrupled or call'd in question whether the Apostles were then there or no when Paul was at Ierusalem for it is taken pro confesso that either all or the most of them were at that time in Ierusalem neither doth Saint Paul say I saw none of the other Apostles because they were absent or were gone to Preach the Gospell in other places And for Saint Paul we reade that wheresoever he came he went into their Synagogues and into their Assemblies to Preach and that he preacht from house to house and he that gave so strict a charge to Timothy and in him to all Ministers that he should Preach in season and out of season he himselfe without all doubt would not neglect his duty who in the 20. of the Acts sets his owne example before all the Presbyters for their imitation in their diligent preaching and he ordinarily preached by the day and by the night as is manifest out of the same Chapter and many other places and surely the time he remained with Peter in Ierusalem he was as diligent in Preaching as he was in any of the other Churches and he professeth of himself that the care of all the Churches lay upon him that he laboured more then all the other Apostles in their particulars so that it standeth with all reason that while he was in Ierusalem he was very sedulous in Preaching as who had both strength of body and Gods speciall assistance and his immediate inspiration alwayes to help him in his Ministery so that I conceive as of charity I am bound that Paul was daily in one assembly or other now if there had been at that time no more beleevers in Ierusalem then could have met in one place congregation and Assembly then of necessity Paul must have seen the other Apostles there as well as Peter and Iames for they also were good Church-men to speake a little in the Prelats dialect and they never left the Word but were alwayes taken up either in praying or preaching amongst them in the Temple and from house to house yea in every house and if there had been but one Congregation or Assembly of beleevers in Ierusalem the Apostles would daily upon all occasion have been with their flock Now in that Paul saw them not in all that time he was in Ierusalem it is evidently apparent there were more Congregations of beleevers in the Church of Jerusalem then one and more Christians then could all meet in any one or a few places But to proceed to a place or two more for the further confirmation of this truth Acts 12. verse 24. It is said there that the word of God grew and multiplped Here also we have another good effect of a new sierce persecution in Ierusalem it increased the number and multitude of Believers there after the Persecutor was taken away For the Word of God grew and multiplyed saith the Holy Ghost Out of which words I thus argue Where the Word of God daily more and more grew and multiplyed after the persecution that is to say where there were more multitudes and greater numbers of Believers added unto the Church through the Ministery and preaching of the Gospell then was before which notwithstanding was then so numerous as they could not all meete in any one place or roome to enjoy all the Ordinances to edification there of necessity they must be distributed into diverse assemblies and congregations to enjoy all the Ordinances to edification But in the Church of Ierusalem after a double persecution the Word of God daily more and more grew and mnltiplyed that is to say there were more multitudes and greater numbers of Believers added unto the Church through the ministery and preaching of the Gospell by the Apostles then was before which notwithstanding was then so numerous as they could not all possibly meet in any one place and roome Ergo there was a greater number of Beleevers after the Persecution then before and therefore of necessity they could not all meete in any one place or roome to communicate in all the Ordinances but must be distributed into severall Congregations and Assemblies if they would all be edified For the Major I conceive it is so evidently clear as no man of ordinary understanding will not see the truth of it For the Minor the Text proveth it and if we will compare Scripture with Scripture the truth of it will by and by be out of controversie for in the 15. of Iohn verse 16. Our Saviour
Congregation For it is most certain that the beleevers that were in Jerusalem at that time were innumerable and those inhabitants for the Scripture is clear in this point for to say nothing of those that cryed Hosanna and cut down branches at Christs coming into Ierusalem which all made profession of him with the little children that cryed Hosanna also to the highest whose Parents were all inhabitants in Ierusalem and without doubt had taught all their children their lesson which they thought they might better shew publickly then themselves The Scripture in the third of Matthew and in the first of Mark and in the third of Luke saith in expresse termes That all Ierusalem which being taken Synecdochically must needs signifie an innumerable company of all sorts of men came out to the Baptisme of John and were all baptized by him in Jordan confessing their sins and all these were inhabitants And in the fourth of Iohn it is expressed there that Christ made more Disciples then John and that his Disciples baptized more so that necessarily there were infinites of beleevers then in Ierusalem yea it is expressed in the twelfth of Iohn ver 19. that the world went after Christ that is beleeved in him therefore there was a numberlesse company of beleevers in Jerusalem and all inhabitants there and all these were good Christians and true beleevers though I. S. most impiously affirmeth the contrary and pag. 8. 9. of his Pamphlet asserteth That they were not Christians to whom my brother Burton in the 16 page of his briefe answer assenteth Now that they were all good Christians and true beleevers that were baptized by John and Christs Disciples all good Christians are bound to beleeve it if any credit be to be given unto Christs words whose testimony I conceive is rather to be credited in this controversie then that of I. S. and my brother Burton for his witnesse is infallible who knew not onely their outward conversation but their very hearts also and therefore could give a true testimony of them and yet he concludes of all those that were baptized by the Baptist that they were all very good Christians and true beleevers Our Saviours words are these Luke 7. ver 29 30. And all the people mark I pray his expression All the people saith Christ that heard him and the Publicans justified God being baptized with the baptisme of John But the Pharisees and Lawyers rejected the Counsell of God against themselves being not baptized of him which words of our blessed Saviour are to be beleeved before the words of men and angels though they should all speak the contrary as w●cked I. S. and my brother Burton both do Now our Saviour in those words proclames all those that heard John the Baptist and were baptized by him to be good Christians and the Scripture saith that Jerusalem and they of Ierusalem came out to his baptisme and were baptized by him in Iordan Matth. 3. And in Ae●on neer to Salim there was much water John 3. 23. So that all these were inhabitants of Ierusalem and such as had their aboad in that City yea our blessed Lord and Saviour that true witness who out of his bare word ought ever to be believed doth not onely say they were good Christians and true beleevers but proves it by many arguments The first of the which is this that they justified God that is they acknowledged that God was a most just righteous and a mercifull God forgiving iniquity transgression and sin and keeping promise unto his people which was 2 Chron. 7. ver 14. that if his people which are called by his name shall humble themselves and pray and seek his face and turn from their wicked wayes that then he would hear from heaven and forgive their sin and heal their land This promise of God and all his other gracious promises those that were baptized by Iohn did beleeve for saith o●r Saviour they justified God declaring unto the world by their profession that they beleeved in him and imbraced his promises which is yet farther manifest from Christs second argument which is this they rejected not saith he the counsell of God against themselves as the Pharisees and Lawyers did Now if we consider but what the counsell of God was to the people in the ministery of Iohn the Baptist we shall find it in the third of Matthew where the Baptist preaching unto all Ierusalem that came out unto his baptisme as it is also clear in the third of Luke he says there repent for the Kingdome of heaven is at hand warning them to fly from the wrath to come exhorting them all to bring forth fruits meet for repentance telling them of the danger that would otherwise ensue if they did not repent and beleeve in the Messiah who was to come shortly after him with his fanne in his hand who would throughly purge his floore and gather his Wheat into his garner but burn up the chaffe with unquenchable fire and therefore he exhorted them all again and again to repent and beleeve in the Messiah this good counsell did Iohn the Baptist give to all those that came out of Ierusalem to his Baptisme and our Saviour affirmes and witnesses of them all that they rejected not his counsell as the Pharisees did to their own destruction but imbraced it to their salvation and therefore they were all true beleevers if our Saviour knew who were beleevers which yet he proves by a third argument saying that they were all baptized of him confessing their sins in token of their repentance and of their faith in the Messiah they were all baptized by John saith Christ and therefore they were all very good Christians and true beleevers all these arguments for brevity sake may be reduced into one argument after this manner All those that justifie God and imbrace the counsell of God that do repent confesse and forsake their sins and beleeve in Iesus Christ and in token of their faith and obedience are baptized into him they are all good Christians and true beleevers but all these saith Christ that heard John the Baptist with the Publicans except the Pharisees and Lawyers were such Ergo they were all good Christians and beleevers and all Jerusalem consisted of such for Ierusalem went out to Jo●n the Baptist and were baptized by him in Jordan confessing their sins and yet more then these were converted by Christ his Apostles and seventy Disciples ministery and all inhabitants in Jerusalem And therefore all these could not possibly be contained in any one place or a few and all these were then in Jerusalem as well as the hundred and twenty names and therefore all the beleevers at that time in Jerusalem though they were all epi tò autò as well as the Apostles yet they were not all in one place as the Homothumadon brethren would infer for those that the first chapter of the Acts speaks of ver 15. those hundred and twenty names which met together
once delivered to the Saints and against the wayes of Men and such as were brought into the Church by the cunning craftinesse of some and thrust upon the people as the Lawes and Ordinances and wayes of God when they are but their owne inventions and tend to no edification but to the trouble and disturbance of Church and State and such as already have brought a confusion upon us all and if the Lord do not speedily from Heaven send his helping hand we can expect nothing but desolation and all from these divisions that their new wayes have brought in and therefore it is high time for all good christians and such as love the peace of Sion more exactly to examine all these new wayes and to put them upon the proofe of them But that the Brethren should complaine of persecution amongst us and of evill usage it is against all reason and humanity and sheweth little gratitude in them to all the christians both thorow citie and countrey for if they remember when they came over though they had deserted the cause when they had most need of them they were more honoured then any of those famous and learned Ministers that had undergone the labour and heat of the day and they were preferred before them all and setled in the prime Lectures of the Kingdome and had more honourable maintenance then was usually given to any Lecturers before them and therefore they deale not brotherly in any of all their proceedings nor humanely so to asperse them as they ordinarily doe both publickly and privately I am confident there is not such a president in the world of humanity as that shewed here to them it is well knowne and their books practices declare it that they preach new ways new-born truths as they call them and set up new lights Now where was it ever heard of either in the Christian or Pagan world that it was ever permitted unto any Ministers or Preachers to have all the Pulpits in any nation to preach a diverse doctrine to that which is set up by authority and such as tends to make a faction and division amongst the people I doe most assuredly beleeve that there cannot the like president be produced Amongst the Heathen the Iewish Religion in many countries was tolerated but they were confined to their owne Synagogues they might not come in the Heathens Pulpits to preach up the Iewish worship amongst them or to set up another service contrary to the custome of the Nation It was an abomination to the Egyptians that the Iewes should sacrifice in their land they would not have suffered them then to have preached up their Religion in all their Pulpits In Turkey at this day Christians in many places have the liberty of their consciences amongst themselves and have their places for worship to assemble in but they are not so much as permitted to come into their Temples much lesse to preach up their Religion in their Pulpits In France the Protestants are permitted to preach but it is only in such places as are appointed for them they may not preach in Popish Pulpits tha● is not permitted unto them In the Low-Countries there is liberty of conscience which they so much plead for of which afterwards and yet the divers sects that are there are not suffered to preach out of those places assigned unto them or to preach publikely in any of their Pulpits against the Religion established by authority neither are they permitted to unchristian them or unchurch them and publikely and in print to proclame them enemies of Christs government and if any should dare attempt such a thing or go about to disgrace their Ministers and Church-government or in the least intrench upon the Magistrates authority they would be made slie like lightning before thunder And yet the b●ethren ●mong us have the liberty of all the Pulpits th●o●h the kingdome without controule and vent all their new wayes and their new borne truths and setup their new lights without any mo●estation and have all respectfull usage and the onely esteeme of the peo●le and are more followed than all our learned godly and painfull orthodox Ministers and yet they cry out of persecution and unchurch and unchristian us all and proclame both Ministers and people all enemies of christ and his Kingdome and count of us little better than of Infidels and keep our children from Baptism and debarre us from Communion with them and exercise a kinde of absolute Lordship over all their brethren so as Diotrephes never did the like nor the Pope mo●e and yet they cry out of persecution against the aints and lay odious aspe●●ions upon their brethren and fellow Presbyters perswading the people that the Presbyterian way will be as bad or worse then tha● of the Prelates But if we as duly examine the manner of the Independent government and compare it with the Presbyterian as we have done the manner of their preaching with theirs we shall finde there is little reason why they should so vilipend the Presbyterian and magnifie their own and why they should make it so hatefull and odious to the people laying aside therefore all p●ejudice let us examine things with deliberation and then it will be soon evident that the Presbyterian government is not as bad or worse than that of the Prelates nor so lordly as that of the Independent government which is also Presbyterian and they as well Presbyters as their brethren It is well known that the Prelates assumed and arrogated unto themselves to be the onely Pastors of their Diocesses and ruled all the Ministers and people under them by their own authority and spoiled all both Ministers and people and the severall congregations under them of their liberty and made them all both Ministers and people their vassals and slaves and from whose● ourts there was no appeal Whereas the Presbyterian manner of government is not as that of Lords and Masters o●er Subjects and Servants but social as between equalls between brethren friends and collegues who all judg are al● judged according to the Word of God where no congregation is above another congregation no Minister is above another Minister but only for order-sake where every Presbyter is left to enjoy the whole office of a Presbyter and each congregation to the freedome of a congregation and what belongs unto them and they able to performe it and the classes to corroborate and strengthen them And if any man be wronged by the Presbytery he may have the benefit of his Appeal and be cleared by more righteous Judges a course ever followed by the Churches and agreeable to the light of nature so that I say if men would without a prejudicate opinion weigh and consider all things and compare the government of the Prelates with that of the Presbyterian they would speedily be undeceived And again if they would compare the Presbyterian Government Dependent with the Presbyterian Government Independent they would have more honourable