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A06347	An excellent and plaine discourse of the church, whereby the godlie may knowe and discerne the true Church, from the Romish Church, and all other false and counterfet churches, as well for matters of doctrine, as discipline, &c. Written in Frenche by M. Bartrand de Loque, a godlie minister of Dolphenine. And faithfully translated into English, by M.T.W. Seene and allowed; Traité de l'eglise. English	Loque, Bertrand de.; T. W. (Thomas Wilcox), 1549?-1608.	1582 (1582)	STC 16813; ESTC S103377	172,896	422

bee counted worthie of the kingdom of God for the which yee also suffer For it is a righteous thinge with God to recompence tribulation to them that trouble you and to you which are troubled deliuerance and rest with vs When the Lorde Iesus shall shewe him selfe from heauen with his mightie Angels This is a true saying 2. Tim. 11.10 that if wee die with Christe wee shall also liue with him and if we suffer with him wee shall also raigne with him Nowe out of these places wee gather a very great and singular comfort An exhortation to the faithful patiently couragiously to beare their Crosse For in the first place wee knowe that there is not any ignominie or shame in the persecutions and afflictions whiche wee suffer for Iesus Christes sake but that they are a good and sweete smelling sauour before God because hee approueth and alloweth our obedience when that by the Sacrifices of our selues wee doe most willinglye presente and offer our selues vnto him Moreouer our combat and fighting shall not bee without good hyre for rest quietnesse is set out vnto vs in our paine and trauell and eternall life in our death of which it is written Psal 116.15 Precious before the face of the Lorde is the death of his Saints And we are well assured that this our good God beholdeth frō aboue our good will the confession of his holy name whiche wee make and yeeld and that as he aideth our strength and power so also that he wil crowne our victorie and rewarde in vs all that which hee hath giuen to vs and will honour that which hee himselfe hath begun and made perfect in vs. In summe by these persecutions we aduaunce and thrust forwarde our selues to goe to the true and eternall dwelling places of the Martyres that wee may there clearely behold God and that there we may bee partakers of so excellent a glory as all the afflictions and sufferings of this present life euen as Saint Paule saith are not worthie of Rom. 8.18 Isaiah 6.4 1. Cor. 2.9 For the things which the eye hath not sene neither the eare hath hearde neither came into mans heart are they which God hath prepared for them that loue him Mat. 10.28 Wherefore let vs not feare them which kill the body but are not able to kil the soule but let vs rather feare him which is able to destroy both soule and body in Hell Mat. 10. 32.33 Whosoeuer shall confesse me before men saith Iesus Christe him will I confesse also before my father which is in heauen But whosoeuer shall denie mee before menne him will I also denie before my father whiche is in heauen Hee that will saue his life Mat. 10.39 shall loose it and he that looseth his life for my sake shall saue it Let vs knowe and vnderstand this that from the beginning of the worlde it hath beene thus ordeined and determined that all which will liue godly in Iesus Christ shal suffer persecution 2. Tim. 4. 12 And that by many tribulatiōs we must enter into the kingdome of heauen For at the beginning the righteous Abell was slaine and put to death and after him all the righteous persons the Prophetes and Apostles sent by God whereof some were deliuered and cast to wilde beastes others dyed in prison through famine others were hanged and strangled others digged into earth buried quicke therein others drowned burned beheaded broken and ground as it were to peeces dismembred rosted boiled singed and sawed flayed all aliue stoned whipped c. And is there any whiche is able to describe and set out all the tormēts which the tyrants as well vnder the olde as vnder the new Testament iudged the Christians worthie of Now the Lord Iesus hath set out vnto vs an example in himselfe teaching vs that none shall come to his kingdome but they which haue followed him by his owne way Mat. 16.24 Wherefore let vs not bee fainte hearted for the persecutions and afflictions whiche shall come vnto vs but let vs shewe ourselues strong and constant and let vs through a certaine spiritual power and force pursue and that euen to the ende the way into which wee are entred If the waues billowes and surges of the Sea of this worlde lift vp themselues to rise against vs to swallowe vs vp and to ouerwhelme vs if our enemies in great companies and bands compasse vs on euery side and assault vs Let vs crie with the Apostles Mat. 8. 25. Master or Lord saue vs and he will deliuer vs out of all dangers If death feare vs let vs remember that Iesus Christe in dying hath brought this to passe that death is not death vnto vs but a very ready way to guide leade vs to life eternall glory If the world continue his assaultes against vs yea doubleth them and trebbleth them as you would say Mat. 10.22 ● Tim. 2.5 let vs cal to our remembrance that hee which indureth vnto the end shal bee saued and if any mā striue for a masterie Mat. 28.20 Mat. 10.28 2. Tim. 1.12 Psal 112. 6. he is not crowned except hee striue as he ought to do The sonne of God is our protector and defender who hath promised vs to be with vs alwaies euen vntill the worldes ende If wee die for him and for his sake he will keepe our soules Pro. 10.7 and that which wee haue committed vnto him shall bee very sure in his handes euen vnto the last day Hee will keepe the remembrance of vs for euer Psal 34.20 that it may not bee any maner of way fading away or darkened Hee will keepe our bodies to the very bones thereof Iob. 19.25 againste the day of the resurrection of all fleshe and will at the last crowne vs with eternall life which hee him selfe hath purchased for vs by his owne blood O death then 1. Cor. 15.55 where is thy sting O graue where is thy victorie Certainely wee haue very much wherewith to comforte our selues by the consideration of these thinges and when wee heare that Iesus Christe saith vnto vs If any man will come after mee Luke 9 2● let him deny him selfe and take vp his crosse dayly and followe mee We ought to learne howe and after what sort it behoueth vs to beare afflictions For first by these wordes Let him take vp his crosse Iesus Christe meaneth that wee shoulde willingly bowe downe our shoulders vnder the burthen of the Crosse and shoulde subiect our selues with a free heart and courage to beare the same yea that wee shoulde bee glad and reioyce if in this respect and behalfe wee could yeeld and perfourme any seruice to God Acts. 5.41 Rom. 5.3 according to the examples of the Apostles and the doctrine which they taught Secondly when hee addeth daily hee declareth that wee are neuer at the ende of our striuing vntill we depart out of this worlde and

might be glorified Isaiah 61.3 Isai 61.3 Moreouer this Church notwithstanding the sharpe and harde persecutions which it hath suffered hath not yet ceassed alwayes to bee as it is at this present and shall be vnto the worldes ende For as Dauid sayth The Lorde hath chosen Sion that is to say Psal 132.13 c. the Church and hath desired it for his seat ●it hath been saith he my rest for euer Iesus Christe also hath promised his disciples Mat. 28.20 to bee with them alwayes euen vnto the ende of the worlde But chiefly Saint Paule hath declared and sette out the perpetuitie and continuaunce of the Church when hee assureth vs Ephes 3.21 that GOD shall be glorified in the Church through Iesus Christ throughout all generations for euer and euer They then are ouermuch past shame whiche limitte the continuance of the Churche to a certayne tyme Aug. de ciui tat Dei lib. 18. ca. 54 as those of whome Saint Augustine speaketh who durst boldely affirme that the christian religion should not last but 365. yeares They likewise doe abuse and deceiue themselues which thinke that by the assaultes which they giue vnto the Church they are able to beate it downe consume it wholy take it away out of the worlde For is it possible that God should be without a Church Psal 10. 1 c. hath not he himselfe promised that his sonne shall raigne and beare rule for euer ouer all his enimies Verily the Church which is the spouse or wife of Christ is become or made so mightie and stronge through her husbande that being euen one bodie with him she is more forcible and mightie in her weakenesse then al the world in his pride and hautines But as we haue alreadie saide once heretofore we will hereafter speake more amplie and largely of the Churches force and power in persecutions To bee shorte amongest so manye and so diuerse chaunges of the kingdomes of this worlde God alwayes preserueth his Churche and bringeth to passe that nothing in all the worlde is durable and perpetuall but shee not that shee is alwayes florishing or hath a continuance which followeth all by one threede that is commeth altogether but because that God not minding that his name should be put out in the worlde doeth alwayes in his Churche raise vp some of whome hee is sincerely and purely serued Nowe when the question is to discerne the true Church from the false some there are that stay themselues vpō the multitude and great number But they are very farre from their right reckoning or account For GOD measureth not his Church by the number He loueth his faithfull people and keepeth himselfe in the middest of them Mat. 18.20 although they be a verie small number on the other side he hateth those that doe dispise it and disdayneth them though the number of them be neuer so great And indeede on the side of the multitude and great number the false and bastardly Church is rather founde than the true and lawfull one And that it is so let vs first mark the places of scripture which withdrawe vs from the multitude and teach vs to stay cleaue to the little flocke Thou shalt not followe a multitude to doe euill Exod. 23.2 Mat. 7.13.14 neither agree in a controuersie to decline after many and to ouerthrowe the trueth Enter in at the straite Gate for it is the wide gate and broad way which leadeth to destruction many therebe which go in thereat because the gate is strait and the way narrowe that leadeth vnto life and fewe there bee that finde it Feare not little flocke Luke 12.32 for it is your fathers pleasure to giue you a kingdome Wee see by these places that the greatest numbr is not alwayes the best neyther the soundest and that the Churche of God is founde rather amongest the small number then among the multitude Secondly let vs note the reasons following which are taken from examples that we finde in the scripture touching this verye matter On which side was the Church Gene. 7.1 Heb. 11.7 when Noah alone with his litle familie whiche was not in all but eight persons followed the true religion God approuing him by his faith condemning all the rest of the worlde On which side was the Churche 1 Kin. 19 10 when Elijah saide O Lord the children of Israel haue forsaken they couenant they haue destroyed thine Altars and slayne thy prophets with the sworde and I am left altogether alone and yet they seeke my soule to take it away On which side was the Church when the foure hundred prophetes deceiued Ahab 1. Kin. 22.8 and Michaiah being alone and contemned did yet notwithstanding resist thē and speake the truth On which side was the Church when Ieremiah was sent from God to say In that day the heart of the king shall perishe Iere. 4.9 and the heart of Princes and of the Priestes shall bee astonished and the Prophetes shall wonder and that therefore the Prophetes resisted him Iere 10.18 layed crimes vnto his charge and imagined mischiefe against him Math. 26.3 On which side was the Church when the chiefe Priestes and scribes and Elders of the people assembled themselues together into the Hall of the high Priest named Caiaphas and helde a Councell how they might take Iesus Christ by subtiltie put him to death Certainly by these examples it is plainely prooued that if it were sufficient to alledge the multitude the greatest number for to vnderproppe and vpholde a Churche the false and bastardly Churche shoulde euer preuaile in the matter and get the better in that respecte because that the number which cleaueth to it and followeth and maintayneth it is alwayes the greatest August in Psal 128. Let vs adde here a sentence of Saint Augustine From the time sayth hee that the Saintes haue begun to be the Church hath beene and is on the earth Somtimes it was in Abel alone who was slaine by his wicked brother Cain Sometime it was in Henoch alone who was reiected of the vngodlie Sometimes it was in the onely house of Noah and he bare with or suffered all them that perished in the floude and the Arke swimming vppon the floudes was saued and set vppon the drie land Sometime in one onely Abraham of whome we knowe thus much that hee suffered many thinges by the wicked Sometimes in Lott alone and in his onely house in the middest of the Sodomites whose iniquities and vngodlinesse he indured and suffered so long till God drewe him as it were by violence from among them Sometimes in the onely Israelites tormented by Pharaoh and the Egyptians By these wordes that appeareth verie well to be true and right which I haue sayd to wit that the Church ought not to be iudged or acknowledged by the great number The faythfull then shoulde not at this daye bee offended though they bee

two witnesses and they shall prophecie a thousande two hundred and threescore dayes In which place S. Iohn foretelleth the generall corruption of the Church whiche shall come to passe in the last times yet so that withall hee giueth vs to vnderstande that God will not suffer his seruice to continue so corrupted and bastardly but that he will reforme it and bring it to her former perfection and soundnesse and that for this purpose hee will raise and stirre vp witnesses of his owne to prophecie and speake against so greeuous a corruption And howe shall this be done by vsing an extraordinarie maner Luk. 9.49 Wee may also verie well applie to this purpose the example of him who cast out Diuels in the name of Iesus Christ For the Apostles woulde haue hindred him because he did not followe Iesus Christe as they did But Iesus Christe sayeth vnto them Take heede that ye forbid him not or hinder him for fayth hee he that is not against vs is with vs. It is very true in deede that such an extraordinarie vocation ought not to be lightly approued but it is also as true that it ●ught not as lightly to be condemne But wee haue a certaine and manifest testimonie Act. 6.5 8.5 of this extraordinarie vocation in Philip. For hee being onely ordayned a Deacon at Hierusalem was afterwardes extraordinarily called by God to preach Iesus Christ Beside the first restorers of the Churche of our age or time who were extraordinarily called are not to be reproued or blamed for rashnesse For as in a citie besieged by the enemie or assaulted with fire when they whiche were ordinarily called for the safegarde and defence thereof and to giue order in the daunger of fyre shoulde be themselues the first enemies and putters to of fyre if it fall out that certaine Citizens hauing other charges or offices in the citie or else if they were but priuate and particular persons woulde come and set vp themselues and imploy them selues in running to the breach and fire to the ende that they might preserue the citie so farre of is it that they deserue or ought to be reprehended as traytors and vnfaithfull persons that on the other side for a facte so courteous gentle yea so profitable to the country they were greatly to be praised as very good citizens and true friendes and preseruers of the countrey so when the ordinarie sauegardes or keepers of Gods owne house haue declared them selues to be enemies thereof and putters too of fyre to ouerthrowe and marre all they that are afterwardes aduaunced and set forewardes them selues to resist them and to maintaine the right and estate of the sayde house yea although they haue had no manner of ordinarie vocation but in their owne consciences haue onely felt themselues extraordinarilye called for to execute such an office or charge so farre of is it that eyther they may or ought to be blamed that contrarywise they deserue honour and great prayse And yet this is here to be noted that albeit all are not inioyned or cōmanded to preach as well as all are commanded to oppose or set them selues against false prophets yet by consequent it followeth verie wel that if any doe aduaunce or set forward themselues to oppose or set them selues against false prophetes they haue done nothing against their vocation or calling Add also that euen those which in the beginning were extraordinarily called hauing faithfully acquitted and behaued them selues in their charges in preaching the trueth and being receiued and allowed of the people that vocation of theirs which before was extraordinarie hath ceased yea must cease and afterwards is become ordinarie And as concerning myracles wee will shortly aunswere thereto Let the Romishe Catholikes shewe what myracles Isaiah Amos Obadiah Nahum Zechariah and many other prophetes did whom God did extraordinarily stirre vp where they whiche had the order and gouernment in their owne handes abused the same Next let them consider Mat. 12.39 that it appertayneth to an euill adulterous generation to demaund and seeke signes as Iesus Christ saith Thirdly that miracles may seduce and deceiue For we read that false prophetes seducers Deut. 13.1 c. Mat. 24.24 and deceiuers haue sometimes done them thereby to deceiue men and to make approued their false doctrines 2. Thes 2.9 and to increase and strengthen their superstitions and idolatries And therefore we ought not by myracles to iudge of the vocation and doctrine but rather on the other side by the vocation and doctrine wee ought to iudge of myracles and signes The other thing whiche wee aunswere touching the vocation and calling of our first ministers is that wee may verie well stoppe the mouthes of the Romishe Catholikes if wee would alledge that those ministers them selues for the most parte had in respecte of them selues an ordinarie vocation being in deede called in their time by the Pope and by him established and set in their charges and therefore by consequent had authoritie and right to goe vp into the pulpit and to teache in the Church as Luther Zwinglius Oecolampadius Bucer and before them Wickliffe and Iohn Hus. Also that in Englande Sweden and Denmarke the right and lawfull succession of the chaire or place is on our side For there the ordinarie Bishoppes haue receiued the Gospell and preache it so that wee shall not neede to dispute of their vocation no more then for the calling of the Priestes which are at this present in the Romishe Chuch called by the Pope but euen only of their doctrine CHAP. VI. That the Church hath been alwayes from the beginning is nowe and shal be euen vnto the worlds end but that it ought not to be esteemed or acknowledged by the great number WE must not thinke that the Churche had her beginning when the Apostles began to preach the Gospell throughout all the world at which time the disciples were first named christians in Antiochia but that shee began to be in the world euen from the very time of our first parentes Adam and Heuah For in them and by them God began to be serued on the earth hauing blessed them and cōmended vnto thē his seruice and after their fall hauing preached vnto them repentaunce and assurance of victorie against the serpent through Iesus Christ his sonne But the world increasing the church also was augmēted seruing god For as S. Paul saith God created the world Act. 17 26. hath made of one blood al men that they might seeke and serue him And he himselfe saith in Isaiah This people haue I formed for my selfe they shall rehearse and shewe foorth my praise Isai 48 2● GOD then created in the worlde and that from the beginning a Churche thorough free adoption to this ende that his name might be duely praysed by conuenient fit and meete witnesses for so excellent a worke For this cause also the Church is called the planting of the Lorde that hee