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A67325	A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall.	Wall, Thomas.	1669 (1669)	Wing W486; ESTC R38029	30,254	53

Children blest by Christ were to receive it in future time because Matthew sets down that those little children were brought that he should put his hands on them and pray to wit for a blessing on them yet you confess Christs Prayers were alwayes heard yet it doth not follow say you that he prayed for the blessing to be immediately bestowed on those Infants nor that they did partake of it then before they came to years of understanding and this you say you are the rather induced to think because Isaac and Jacobs blessings were not to be enjoyed till future times Gen. 48. 49. and 27. 27. T. W's Answer This you say is but as you are induced to think by paralelling the blessing of Christ with Isaac and Jacobs in respect of future time to be enjoyed your comparison is not equal and by it you do diminish the Prerogative of Christ did not think you all blessings of old point to Christ the substance for the spiritual fulfilling of them and depended upon no other for the accomplishment no nor in respect of time in future for he is over all God blessed for ever Amen for all the Promises of God in him are yea and for him Amen so that whom God doth bless he or they are blessed as the Apostle saith who hath blessed us Eph. 1. 3. its the present time even so saith Mark and he took them up in his arms put his hands upon them and blessed them Mark 10. 16. so that blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven Rom. 4. 7. Thus it will undoubtedly follow to men that have the least spark of true light that those whose sins are pardoned ought to have the sign Administred upon them even Baptism of water Moreover take notice was not the blessing of the High Priest of old Num. 6. 23 24 25 26 27. then enjoyed of the children of Israel as figuratively pointing to Christ our High Priest now spiritually and more fu●ly by him fulfilled and enjoyed in his Church and Kingdom who hath an unchangable Priesthood wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them Heb. 7. 24 25. Again those that were blest of old by the High Priest had the name of the Lord put upon them Numb 6. 27. and Christ our High Priest came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it Matth. 5. 17. So then that as those that the High Priest blest of old had the name of the Lord put upon them even so those whom our High Priest doth bless with the pardon of sins ought to have his name put upon them who is both Lord and Christ Acts 2. 36. which is now done in the Ordinance of Baptism in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost but Christ our High Priest did bless little Children held in arms with his spiritual blessing the pardon of sin therefore ought such little children to have his Name put upon them in the Ordinance of the Baptism of water R. A. Your next Argument is If those Infants blest by Christ were not Baptised then it is not likely that they had by that blessing any right to Baptism of water because if they had right to it Christ would have had them been Baptised But those Infants blest by Christ were not Baptised for Christ himself Baptised not at all John 4. 2. and what was done to the Infants was done by Christ himself as appears by the Text it self Mark 10. 13. Therefore those Infant 's blest by Christ had not right to Baptism of water T. W. his Answer The substance of your Argument is That is the children had right by Christs blessing to Baptism of water then would Christ have had them been Baptised If this be a ground of Faith it should have bin proved by the Word of Faith or a true gathered consequence from the same but that this your Argument to prove the Children whom Christ blest had no right to Baptism of Water is neither from the word of truth nor true gathered consequence from the same as shall plainly appear We read many Disciples believed in Christ out of which he chose Apostles whom be blessed as it is written And he lift up his hands and blessed them Luke 24. 50. yet we find not whether they were Baptised any more then those Infants which Christ likewise blessed shall we conclude they were not Baptised because it is not written that Christ commanded them to be Baptised consider and lean not to your own understanding Prov. 3. 5. Again whereas you say Christ himself Baptised not at all I answer It belonged not to his Office for John taught Christs Office was to Baptise with the Holy Ghost and with Fire Matth. 3. 11. and you are very bold to say that what was done to those Infants was done by Christ himself you by like grounds might say that what was done to the Disciples whom Christ blessed Luke 24. 50. was done by Christ himself and we read he Baptised not at all so by your grounds neither the Infants nor the Apostles whom Christ blessed were at all Baptised with water which is dangerous to believe Again you say it doth not appear that all the Infants of Believers are blessed with Christs Spiritual blessing as those Infants were in Mark 10. 13. T. W. his Answer It is evident that as Christ saith by little Children whom he blessed with his spiritual blessing of such is the Kingdome of God which is his Church Col. 1. 13. 1 Thes 2. 12. Rev. 1. 9. and as the Church or Congregation of old consisted of men women and children Ezra 10. 1. called also a holy Nation Exod. 19. 6. Even so the Church under the Gospel consisteth of men women and children Luke 18. 16. 2 John 1. 4. Ephes 6. 4. Gal. 4. 28. 1 Cor. 7. 14. being a chosen Generation a Royal Priesthood a holy Nation which cannot be without children then as the Apostle applyeth the spiritual blessing of Christ to the whole Church excluding none but saith Ephes 1. 3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings so that as the whole is visibly blessed and the children with their Parents are in the same must needs therefore be blessed with them thus I hope your Arguments are fully answered Moreover though this point be sufficiently proved yet if possible you may be convinced and see how you are deceived concerning the estate of the Infants of Believers We read in Jeremiah 11. 16. the Lord called thy name speaking to his beloved ver 15. a green Olive Tree fair and of goodly fruit and their children are likened to Olive Plants Psal 128. and because they rejected Christ and his servants which were sent with the Gospel to them they were broken off because of unbelief Rom 11. Acts 13. 45 46. and their children in infancy were

to Romes I shall lay down their manner as their own Writers say It is a dipping three times in water In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost in Bellarm. de sac Bap. 1. 1. c. 25. Bellarm. de Image 1. 2. c. 29. Again consider my friend suppose a man while he is an unbeliever in the Wars have a leg or arm shot off and yet by Chyrurgery he is cured that he is as heart-whole as ever and may probably live as long as if that had not befallen him and in process of time comes to be a Believer shall not this man be Baptised if he was not Baptised before because you cannot Baptise all the whole man having not all his Members As many members make one body 1 Cor. 12. and this man with his heart believeth and with his mouth confession is made to Salvation Rom. 10. Shall not this man be Baptised think you and here a part must be taken for the whole or else it is not lawful to Baptise some Believers contrary to the Scriptures And again If the Baptism be utterly denyed not to be retained which we have received in Apostate Churches you thereby affirm all the people that are in our known parts of the world to be unbaptised and you cannot prove a succession in your way and so no lawful ministry to Baptise a People for no unbaptised person may be a Minister to Baptise but such was Mr. Smith in his own judgment Neither have any unbaptised people power to elect or ordain a Minister among them of this can no rule president or example be shewed in the Scripture but all to the contrary especially since all extraordinary Officers have ceased So must all the building of Christs Church and work of the Ministry cease until some second John Baptist or new Apostles be sent down from Heaven c. And they that make a new Ministry as Jeroboam did will be found to be the worship of the Devil and Ministers of Sathan 2 Chron. 11. 15. 2 Cor. 11. false Apostles deceitful workmen must also make a new Gospel and confirm it with new Miracles as I have heard some say when they could not prove a succession of Dipping by a trùe Ministry from the Apostles dayes they have thought an unbaptised person might begin the work to Baptise by Dipping but for warrant hereof no one word of God could be brought as Israel who made them Idols after their own understanding Hos 13. 1-3 When the way of man is not in himself it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps Jer. 10. 23. but that we may beware of the Rocks of Popery and quick-sands of Anabaptistry by the light of God's Word let us consider what is the safest way to take in this distress when men are at their wits end whither should we go but to the Lord for counsel Isa 42. 16 God's gracious Spirit blowing upon the sails of our faith we shall safely sail through all these difficulties into a strait way to the sincere practise of the Gospel for he that hath ascended up on high hath not left his Church destitute of counsel in all times and estates whatsoever and though the Lord for the judgment of the world and trial of his servants and manifestation of his power bring his servants into Babylon yet knoweth he how to deliver his servants without justifying of Antichristian or Babylonian Assemblies to bring his people forth to Sion and to rear up the decayed Tabernacles of David which were fallen down Amos 9. 11. without using one stone of Babel in the work for a corner or for a foundation And we being fallen into deep Apostasie in these parts of the world let us see whether we can find any president of such times and see whether we can fetch any better directions for the retaining of the Ordinance of Baptism than your way of Anabaptistry or twice baptizing for it is good for all to observe that the persons which John Baptist and the Apostles did baptize were not baptized before as we were in the state of Apostasie We read That whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our instruction Rom. 15. 4. And we find written in the time of Hezekiah that the Kingdom of Israel had a long time remained in Schism and Apostasie having forsaken the true Temple and made to themselves new Temples new Altars as the History of the Chronicles do declare 2 Chron 30. neither could by any warning be reclaimed only such as did return and left their false worship and came to the true Temple to worship God were received and admitted to the Passeover without either gathering correcting or repeating the Circumcision they had received in the times of their Apostacy The like we read in the times of Josiah in 2 Chron. 30. and in Ezra and Nehemiah when they had yet longer continued in their Schism and Idolatry and yet upon their return out of captivity unto the Lord the Circumcision then received was not repeated again Ezra 6. 21 22. yet no doubt to those men in those times while they continued in that idolatrous estate the Circumcision then received was no true seal of Gods Covenant to them being added to their false Worship Idolatry and Apostacy And I think this will be granted of all hands that God's Covenant is no longer continued with any Church or people than they remain in his faith and obedience Rom. 2. 25. But some may say I justifie the outward action of Circumcision as it is done in the false Church nothing less but condemn it altogether as a hainous profanation of God's holy Ordinance yet when it is purged by sincere repentance of the abuse thereof it pleased God in pardoning the faults and to reserve and not repeat the outward action which because it was vvrongly done it cannot be said not to be done at all for vve must put a difference betvveen a thing not rightly done and a thing not done at all for the errors and defaults of the Baptism being purged by Repentance and done away by the mercy of God the Lord now beholdeth the rest of the action and the thing which in pretence they seemed to do as his Ordinance so that we find this way the way of God concerning Circumcision received in the false Church when as those persons that were Circumcised in that state and after came to the true way of God they were not Circumcised again the like may be said of Baptism seeing Circumcision was the seal of faith and Baptism now as is before proved So by like equality as the one Seal received in Apostacy and not repeted so Baptism received in Apostacy is not to be repeted and so we have a foundation in Gods word to build our faith upon and not to follow your own spirits Object But if any say that Circumcision could not be repeted again and Baptism may because the foreskin being once cut could not after be cut again Answ The Apostle resolveth this doubt saying If any man called being Circumcised let him not become uncircumcised 1 Cor. 7. 18. which words do import that there might be a gathering of the flesh again by the Art of Chyrurgery as divers Histories do declare Joseph Antiq. Lib. 12. chap. 6. And again what should be more against reason to think why the outward Baptism delivered in a false Church should be denyed to be retained seeing Circumcision that was received in a false Church was not denyed when as the Scriptures shew that the state of the Romish and false Church in their Apostacy is like the state of Israel in their Apostacy as these and like Scriptures do shew Rev. 17. 1. 5 with Jer. 3. 8. Hos 2. 2 3. 1 Thes 2. 3. Therefore Baptism received in such estate is to be esteemed Now as Circumcision was in Israel in their defection but that Circumcision was so esteemed and such a state and walking was only repented of Thus if persons will follow the president of Scripture they shall find comfort at last but for persons to deny this Baptism and own that true Baptism for a man to Baptise himself as Smith did is proved by several testimonies this will be their reward as saith the Prophet Behold all ye that kindle a fire that compass your selves about with sparks walk in the light of your fire and in the sparks that ye have kindled this shall ye have of mine hand ye shall-lye down in sorrow Isa 50. 11. Thus according to my weak ability in unfained love to your soul I have returned you some Answer to your answer to John Turners Argument for Infants Baptism though he himself if he had pleased while he lived could have given you a more fuller Answer But forasmuch as your desire was I should peruse the writing between you I was willing for the vindication of the Truth of God in this point though the unfittest of many but as many of their great abilities brought rich things for the work of the Tabernacle yet those of small abilities who brought but Goats hair being accepted of God was not despised so though my abilities be but small to farther the work of the Lord I hope it will not altogether be despised of any that are imployed in the work of the Lords Tabernacle the true Church of God the stay and pillar of truth thus desiring the Lord to bless these my labours for the comfort of his Elect and the Lord alone to have the glory honour and praise now and for evermore Amen Reader I having no thoughts when I first wrote this Treatise that it should come to publick view but seeing providence hath so disposed thereof I think good to acquaint thee if these people which deny Infants Baptism have likewise deceived thee as perswading in word or writing that it is not lawful to eat blood and things strangled which is the Doctrine of Devils 1 Tim. 4. For thy help against that error you may have a small Treatise where this book is to be had proving it lawful by the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles to eat blood and strangled things in these dayes of the Gospel Published by the Author of this Book FINIS