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A88892 The sacramental stumbling-block removed. Or a brief discourse concerning examination by the congregational eldership, before admittance to the sacrament. Wherein all contrary scruples are silenced : the equity and necessity of that duty vindicated, both by scripture, and undenyable arguments. Set forth for, 1. The satisfaction of the weake. 2. The information of the ignorant. 3. The conviction of the obstinate. 4. The edification of the Church of God. / by W.L. L. W. 1648 (1648) Wing L96; Thomason E425_16; ESTC R204558 31,401 51

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in_o circumstance_n in_o the_o neglect_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o god_n worship_n like_o a_o foolish_a builder_n we_o be_v conver_v the_o house_n before_o the_o foundation_n be_v well_o lay_v lie_v a_o stargazing_a while_o the_o ship_n be_v ready_a to_o sink_v under_o we_o we_o quarrel_v about_o rosemary_n and_o bay_n while_o church_n and_o state_n run_v both_o to_o ruin_v and_o our_o neighbour_a nation_n wallow_v in_o its_o blood_n stand_v comb_v and_o trime_a our_o beard_n while_o our_o house_n be_v on_o fire_n over_o our_o head_n true_o thus_o and_o far_o more_o ridiculous_a be_v our_o condition_n the_o lord_n help_v we_o to_o see_v it_o and_o doubtless_o it_o be_v just_a with_o god_n to_o give_v we_o over_o to_o pursue_v shadow_n and_o lie_v vanity_n in_o the_o neglect_n of_o our_o own_o mercy_n for_o that_o we_o be_v so_o weded_a to_o promote_v the_o circumstance_n in_o the_o retard_v and_o overthrow_v of_o the_o substantial_o of_o god_n worship_n and_o the_o power_n of_o godliness_n etc._n etc._n the_o three_o and_o four_o particular_a concern_v the_o lawfullnesse_n and_o usefulness_n of_o examination_n by_o the_o eldership_n as_o follow_v 11._o ob._n but_o they_o say_v now_o none_o must_v come_v to_o the_o sacrament_n without_o examination_n by_o the_o eldership_n which_o some_o hold_n to_o be_v no_o better_o than_o a_o point_n of_o popery_n however_o it_o be_v very_o needless_a and_o ridiculous_a for_o ancient_a man_n that_o have_v bear_v all_o office_n in_o the_o parish_n and_o church_n too_o live_v long_o under_o the_o mean_n often_o former_o admit_v now_o to_o be_v catichise_v like_o boy_n neither_o do_v i_o believe_v there_o be_v any_o rule_n for_o it_o in_o the_o word_n the_o apostle_n say_v let_v every_o man_n examine_v himself_o and_o so_o let_v he_o eat_v etc._n etc._n 1_o cor._n 11.28_o a._n it_o be_v very_o true_a that_o none_o be_v now_o to_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o who_o ought_v to_o be_v examine_v and_o that_o upon_o good_a ground_n neither_o be_v there_o the_o least_o punctillo_n of_o popery_n in_o it_o or_o be_v it_o either_o needless_a or_o ridiculous_a but_o a_o very_a necessary_a duty_n and_o ground_v both_o upon_o scripture_n and_o good_a reason_n as_o well_o for_o ancient_a as_o young_a people_n and_o see_v this_o be_v the_o grand_a stumbling-block_n i_o shall_v endeavour_v its_o removal_n especial_o and_o for_o that_o indeed_o without_o examination_n there_o can_v be_v no_o true_a reformation_n 1._o for_o that_o it_o be_v object_v as_o tend_v to_o popery_n whosoever_o think_v so_o it_o be_v not_o for_o want_v of_o ignorance_n for_o it_o be_v not_o intend_v either_o by_o parliament_n or_o synod_n or_o any_o particular_a congregationall_a eldership_n to_o expect_v auricular_a confession_n but_o only_o a_o account_n of_o a_o reason_n of_o man_n faith_n which_o man_n may_v do_v and_o yet_o have_v little_a share_n in_o jesus_n christ_n true_a if_o a_o man_n render_v a_o competent_a account_n of_o his_o knowledge_n in_o the_o mystery_n of_o god_n if_o nothing_o of_o scandal_n appear_v in_o the_o life_n he_o can_v be_v keep_v back_o from_o sacramental_a visible_a communion_n although_o as_o before_o a_o stranger_n from_o union_n with_o christ_n therefore_o be_v it_o there_o be_v a_o twofold_a examination_n requisite_a 1._o examination_n of_o a_o man_n own_o heart_n whether_o he_o have_v the_o sincerity_n godly_a zeal_n knowledge_n faith_n repentance_n love_n etc._n etc._n with_o such_o grace_n as_o indeed_o give_v a_o man_n right_a not_o only_o to_o the_o element_n but_o to_o jesus_n christ_n without_o which_o he_o can_v have_v no_o comfort_n in_o participate_v 2._o examination_n by_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_n whereby_o he_o be_v know_v fit_a for_o visible_a communion_n for_o although_o a_o man_n may_v give_v the_o eldership_n a_o fair_a account_n yet_o may_v he_o be_v a_o hypocrite_n a_o child_n of_o the_o devil_n the_o principal_a part_n without_o which_o all_o be_v
judicature_n &_o trust_n in_o the_o church_n ought_v and_o be_v first_o examine_v as_o 1._o tim._n 3._o after_o the_o apostle_n have_v lay_v down_o what_o manner_n of_o man_n they_o ought_v to_o be_v that_o be_v to_o bear_v office_n in_o the_o church_n in_o the_o 10._o v._n say_v and_o let_v these_o also_o be_v roved_z imply_v that_o all_o admit_v to_o church_n communion_n ought_v to_o be_v prove_v but_o first_o such_o as_o be_v to_o rule_v and_o govern_v these_o also_o must_v be_v prove_v and_o this_o the_o parliament_n and_o synod_n have_v make_v good_a provision_n for_o in_o that_o ordinance_n for_o settle_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n that_o none_o be_v admit_v to_o that_o trust_n but_o first_o to_o be_v prove_v by_o the_o trier_n who_o must_v be_v find_v man_n of_o unblameable_a conversation_n and_o sound_v in_o the_o faith_n and_o indeed_o there_o be_v great_a need_n that_o man_n that_o be_v to_o rule_v in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v both_o grave_n and_o godly_a for_o if_o a_o man_n can_v tell_v how_o to_o rule_v his_o own_o house_n how_o shall_v he_o take_v care_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n 1._o tim._n 3.5_o 5._o no_o man_n can_v possess_v outward_a thing_n but_o he_o must_v declare_v his_o title_n and_o upon_o all_o occasion_n produce_v his_o evidence_n and_o do_v we_o think_v the_o thing_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v pass_v hand_n over_o head_n to_o such_o as_o be_v no_o way_n able_a to_o plead_v their_o propriety_n think_v it_o requisite_a to_o deal_v secure_o for_o the_o body_n and_o be_v so_o loose_a and_o careless_a of_o our_o immortal_a soul_n 6._o consider_v who_o be_v it_o will_v suffer_v if_o man_n unworthy_a be_v admit_v as_o of_o necessity_n they_o will_v if_o not_o examine_v shall_v not_o such_o a_o one_o reap_v his_o own_o ruin_n nay_o and_o those_o that_o aught_o to_o have_v debar_v he_o inevitable_o incur_v the_o guilt_n of_o his_o blood_n therefore_o it_o be_v far_o better_a and_o more_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n &_o more_o tend_v to_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n for_o man_n find_v unfit_a a_o while_n to_o be_v suspend_v till_o by_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n prayer_n christian_a admonition_n etc._n etc._n they_o become_v capable_a to_o participate_v to_o god_n glory_n and_o their_o own_o comfort_n 7._o there_o be_v not_o so_o great_a cause_n of_o offence_n if_o any_o to_o any_o man_n if_o they_o confider_v it_o be_v but_o once_o at_o first_o admittance_n its_o needless_a when_o man_n be_v once_o sufficient_o know_v to_o the_o church_n if_o it_o be_v to_o be_v do_v as_o often_o as_o the_o sacrament_n be_v administer_v there_o be_v more_o cause_n of_o exception_n 8._o consider_v authority_n upon_o long_a and_o serious_a debate_n have_v find_v it_o a_o duty_n of_o especial_a concernment_n much_o conduce_v to_o the_o reformation_n of_o abuse_n in_o the_o church_n have_v have_v sufficient_a consult_v with_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n concern_v the_o legallity_n and_o necessity_n thereof_o and_o have_v find_v it_o a_o duty_n of_o divine_a right_n and_o therefore_o have_v enjoin_v all_o in_o authority_n that_o they_o admit_v none_o but_o first_o examine_v their_o aptness_n both_o in_o point_n of_o knowledge_n and_o conversation_n and_o this_o ordinance_n will_v not_o only_o debar_v the_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a but_o also_o man_n of_o unsound_a and_o rot_a judgement_n who_o be_v as_o dangerous_a in_o the_o church_n and_o far_o more_o than_o scandalous_a liver_n now_o if_o we_o ought_v to_o submit_v to_o every_o ordinance_n of_o man_n for_o the_o lord_n sake_n let_v we_o submit_v to_o this_o especial_o wherein_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o our_o own_o eternal_a good_a be_v so_o much_o concern_v and_o certain_o those_o that_o most_o plead_v for_o conformity_n for_o obedience_n to_o authority_n in_o the_o bishop_n day_n shall_v not_o now_o spurn_v so_o much_o at_o the_o ordinance_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o so_o it_o be_v that_o those_o former_o that_o be_v our_o great_a conformist_n be_v in_o this_o point_n chief_a non-conformists'_a and_o such_o man_n who_o i_o be_o sure_o cast_v a_o evil_a eye_n upon_o the_o separation_n for_o make_v rent_n and_o division_n in_o the_o church_n by_o their_o spurn_v against_o the_o ordinance_n of_o the_o church_n run_v hither_o and_o thither_o to_o promiscuous_a dispensation_n lust_a after_o their_o old_a onion_n become_v arch_a separatist_n which_o disorder_n doubtless_o as_o the_o work_n of_o reformation_n go_v on_o and_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n settle_v will_v easy_o be_v prevent_v 9_o consider_v it_o be_v the_o honour_n of_o a_o christian_n to_o make_v profession_n of_o his_o faith_n although_o before_o persecutor_n and_o tyrant_n and_o in_o midst_n of_o suffering_n and_o will_v thou_o be_v ashamed_a to_o render_v a_o reason_n of_o thy_o faith_n to_o thy_o fellow_n brethren_n and_o friend_n 10._o nothing_o be_v require_v of_o any_o particular_a member_n that_o 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