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A54048 A question to the professors of Christianity, whether they have the true, living, powerful saving knowledge of Christ or no? with some queries concerning Christ, and his appearances, his taking upon him our flesh : as also concerning his flesh and blood, and our being formed thereof, and feeding thereon, and an incitation to professors seriously to consider, whether they or we fail, in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem : likewise some propositions and considerations concerning the nature of church-worships and ordinances, since the death of the apostles, for the sake of simplicity, which hath been long held captive therein : with the sounding of bowels towards thee, O England : also a faithful guidance to the principle and path of truth, with some sensible experimental questions and answers from the tenth chapter of John / by Isaac Penington ... Penington, Isaac, 1616-1679. 1667 (1667) Wing P1184; ESTC R18236 42,725 54

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worshippers out of the true Faith the worshippers out of the Spirit and out of the Life 5. That henceforward since this separation the Believers or true Jews are not to be expected in the outward Court in the worship thereof wherein they were found before this separation but the unbelievers the Gentiles who have not the true Nature but at best but the appearance of the Jew are to be expected there and the true Jew is to be looked for and found more inward 6. That therefore which allureth to look for God there and to wait for him in the wayes and worships of that Court all this time of the separation is not the true Spirit which rightly guideth the simple heart to the place where God appears and where he is to be waited for but the wrong spirit who when he cannot stifle the simplicity and hinder it from breathing and seeking after God waits to draw aside and mislead it 7. That the great way of that spirits misguiding and misleading the honest heart in its breathing and longing state is not by a direct taking it off from seeking after God but rather by pointing it to a way to seek him in wherein he once appeared and was enjoyed but is now withdrawn from 8. He that will keep close to God and not be withdrawn from him must watch to his Spirit and know the leadings of it else he will not follow the Lamb whithersoever he goes but stay behind in some observation or practice which the Lamb is gone out of and so miss of his Leader and meet instead thereof with another Leader even the spirit of Antichrist who enters into the outward Court and outward practises so soon as ever the Spirit of God hath left them 9. That Gods People since his withdrawing inward and giving the outward Court to the Gentiles have been much deceived by the Antichristian Spirit and led captive into Babylon in so much as God when he cometh to overthrow Antichrist with the Babylon of his building finds them there and calls them out from thence For the light growing low and the deceit great and that spirit subtile how can the poor weak innocent Babe espy that spirit and escape his snares when he tempts to those very paths and wayes of worship wherein the Saints had walked and met with God before the Spirit of the Lord departed out of them and gave them up to the Gentiles 10. That there is danger to the People of God of not understanding his Call out of Babylon but abiding there through the subtile entanglements of the false spirit who bewitcheth with the Cup of Fornication to make Babylon appear as Sion her doctrines as the Truths of the Gospel her ordinances and wayes of worship as the true Ordinances and wayes of Worship For the deceit is exceeding deep and the mystery of iniquity very great following that heart close which the Lord is drawing to depart therefrom and if the Lord God were not strong and vigilant who judgeth the Whore she would still keep her hold of the heart and if the heart be not kept very close to the Lord in the Judgement it cannot come out of Babylon but will still be entangled and held in some part or other of the mystery of its deceit 11. Such of the People of God as do not wait to understand and receive the full Call and so do not follow the Lord perfectly out of that City of Abominations but by her subtilties and inward or outward witchcrafts are held captive therein and found in any part thereof when the Lord cometh to judge her such must partake of her Plagues from the hand of the Lord who will not spare her nor the spirits of his dearest People who are found there in the day of his visitation and righteous judgments Therefore come out of her come out of her O ye that love your Souls and the pure Presence and fresh Light of Gods countenance Ye that know what it is to provoke him to jealousy and fear the weight of his hand upon your spirits ye that love the holy Land the holy City and Temple of the living God O come out of that impure building that fleshly building those fleshly wayes and worships which that spirit adorneth to make them appear as if they were spiritual O depart ye depart ye out of your new removes for they are also polluted and not your rest but short of that wherein the Rest the Peace the Presence of the Lord of Life is felt by others and to be found by you And consider this if ever ye will come to the holy City which was once built in the dayes of the Apostles but since the division of it from the outward Court hath been trodden down and trampled under the feet of the unbelievers even while they have been worshipping in the outward Court which God once built and chose but afterwards withdrew his Spirit from and gave up to the unbelievers I say if ever ye will come to this holy City the holy Land wherein it is built and the holy Hill whereon it is founded ye must pass through the Wilderness be exercised in the Wilderness even till ye are fitted for it and not strive to raise up a building your selves in the likeness of it but wait till God hath hewen and prepared the stones by his Spirit and then by the skil of the same spirit build up his Sion again Therefore in the fear of the Lord consider seriously meekly humbly and brokenly that the Lord may manifest your present state and condition unto you Whether ye have not erred in these things as well as others and have not cause to repent of your forwardness herein and to acknowledge that your buildings have been raised in the forwardness of your own spirits and in the confidence of your reasonings upon Scripture-words without feeling the presence guidance and holy Power of Gods Spirit raising up the Foundation of many Generations and rearing his own pure House upon his own holy Mountain In the Lords hand is the time and season of building his own house David though his desire was approved yet might not build the outward Temple in the time of his choice but Gods time and season was to be waited for both for the first building and for the rebuilding of it There is likewise a season for the rebuilding of Spiritual Sion after the long captivity of it in Mystery-Babylon Now he that is forward building before the time and season of the Spirit buildeth without the Spirit and his building is not of the Spirit but of the nature of Babylon which is wholly to be departed from and left behind in the Souls travels and progress towards Sion And what ever is of the nature of Babylon must at length fall with Babylon in the day of her terrible Judgement if the Lord in mercy do not shake it and cause it to fall before Therefore O all Professor awaken out of the flesh
is but when Christ cometh no man knoweth whence he is He is not holy strict and zealous according to the Law say others but a loose person a man gluttonous and a Wine-bibber a friend of Publicans and sinners one who teacheth not his Disciples to fast and pray as the Pharisees did theirs and John who was generally looked upon as a Prophet did his but justifieth them in plucking the ears of Corn on the Sabbath Day and so thereby rather incouraging them to break it then strictly to observe and keep it according to Gods Law He is a Blasphemer say some speaks most horrid blasphemy making himself equal with God He reproacheth the most strict and zealous men that we have even our Teachers and Interpreters of the Law and Prophets calling them Hypocrites painted Sepulchres blind Guides c. and pronounceth Wo upon Wo against them And those that are the Children of Abraham he calls the Children of the Devil and saith He that committeth sin is the Servant of sin But if the Son meaning himself make you free ye shall be free indeed And if we will have life in us we must believe in him and eat his flesh and drink his blood Did ever Moses or any of the Prophets teach such Doctrine Again he saith If a man keep my saying he shall never see death whereas Abraham and the Prophets who believed God and kept his sayings are all dead This made them even conclude he had a Devil John 8.52 So how could they understand him when he said He was the good Shepherd and the Door c. and that all that ever came before him were Thieves and Robbers Would they not look upon this as witnessing of himself and endeavouring to set up himself And when he said Verily verily before Abraham was I am Were they not ready to stone him for speaking a false and impossible thing as it seemed to them he manifestly being not yet fifty years old But suppose it to be true that he was before Abraham how then could he be the Messiah who was to come of Abraham and out of the loyns of David according to the Scriptures And then for his Miracles having beforehand concluded that he was a bad Man a Sinner a breaker of the Sabbath a Blasphemer a deceiver of the People c. How easie was it for them to harden themselves against them and to infer that he wrought not these things by the power of God but by the aid and assistance of the Devil to overthrow the Laws and Ordinances of Moses and to set up himself and his new Doctrine by Indeed many and some seemingly strong and unanswerable were the exceptions which the wisdom and understanding in them which was out of the Life and Power of Truth formed against Christ whereby they justified themselves in their refusal of him who was Sealed and sent of the Father and so excluded themselves the Kingdom and the Righteousness thereof This is past and they can condemn them now who themselves are acting over again the same thing in spirit It pleaseth the Lord thus to suffer things to be still so to give forth the dispensations of his Life as they alone that are in some measure of his Life can discern them And the same spirit under a new guise still opposeth Truth in its present appearance and dispensation and stirreth men up to flight and blaspheme that holy Name and Power which they that believe in are saved and sanctified by Well what shall I say to you O that ye could discern Spirits O that ye could see what spirit ye are of and whom ye serve in opposing the present dispensation of Life O that ye could see how ye read Scriptures out of that which wrote them and bend them against that which wrote them making your selves wise and strong in a wrong Wisdom and Knowledge against the Lord and against his Christ whom he hath set upon his holy Hill of Sion and who appeareth there though ye see it not For Sion is not now literal or after the flesh the Day is come the Shadows are gone But Sion is the holy Hill of God in Spirit upon which the Heavenly Jerusalem is built which is revealed come down and coming down from Heaven and many of the Heavenly Citizens dwell there already and more are coming thither to dwell for even from the East West North and South shall the gathering be to sit with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom which cannot be shaken which Kingdom was received by the Christians formerly before the Apostacy and is now received again blessed be his Name who lives and reigns in Power over all the spirits of darkness and deceit maintaining his pure Life and Truth in the hearts of his Children in despite of them all But why should ye thus err in Heart from the pure Truth Why should ye not open to him that knocks in his holy Power and in the demonstrations of his Spirit to your Consciences Why should a subtile device of the deceiver be let in and hugged by you to cause you to thrust him back from your hearts who is the Word of eternal Life and with whom are the words of eternal Life The Lord God discover the deep deceits of the Enemy to you whereby he captivateth your hearts and understandings that it may not be alwayes said of you as it was of the Jews He came unto his own and his own received him not But to as many as received him he gave power in the day of his flesh and he giveth much more power to them that receive him in Spirit in the Day of his Spirit to become Sons of God And because they are Sons he poureth out abundantly of his Spirit upon them And he that hath the Spirit hath the Son and he that hath the Son hath Life But he that hath not the Son but blasphemeth the appearance and light of his Spirit hath not life but is yet in that Wisdom and Knowledge which is death and which keeps him dead Now the Lord of his tender Mercy make you sensible of and pardon your opposing and resisting his Truth and also cause the Light of Life to shine in your hearts quickening and guiding you thereby out of the Land of Death and Darkness into the holy Land of Life that all that sincerely breath after Truth may through the faithful travel come to sit down dwell and feed together in it in the one Power in the one Life in the one holy Spirit where is pure Rest and Peace perfect Joy and Satisfaction for evermore Amen Some QUERIES concerning Christ and his Appearances his taking upon him our flesh As also concerning his flesh and blood and our being formed thereof and feeding thereon Query 1. VVHether there was not a necessity of Christs taking upon him our flesh for the redemption of those that had sinned and the satisfaction of the justice offended Quer. 2. Whether the Father did not accordingly prepare a