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A10399	Tvventy nine lectures of the Church very necessary for the consolation and support of Gods Church, especially in these times: wherein is handled, first, in generall concerning first, the name; secondly, the titles; thirdly, the nature, fourthly, the diuision of the true Church: secondly, of the visible Church ... and lastly, the application of it to all Churches in the world so farre as they are knowne to vs. By that learned and faithfull preacher, Master Iohn Randall, Batchelor of Diuinity, pastor of Saint Andrewes Hubbart in little Eastcheape, London, and sometimes fellow of Lincolne Colledge in Oxford. Published by the coppie perfected and giuen by the author in his life time; carefully preserued and adorned with notes in the margent, by the late faithfull minister of Christ, Master William Holbrooke.	Randall, John, 1570-1622.; Holbrooke, William.	1631 (1631)	STC 20683; ESTC S115641	423,199	550

Secondly I answer that it was so at the first too Luther and others first spreading the Gospell First some of our owne loued beleeued and embraced it by their preaching and then they perswaded others And I know not how our English at Amsterdam can shew any better calling to their Church But they except and say that in England our Church was gathered by proclamation and by the sound of a Trumpet as in Queene Elizabeths dayes so was done by compulsion and was not voluntary I Answer first some did come voluntarily and gladly and therfore at least for them it was a true constitution Secondly the compulsion that was vsed was onely to the outward meanes not to the faith and that is very ●ustifiable Iosiah compelled ill that were found in Israel to serue the Lord their God 2 Chron. 34.33 But they say that was at the restoring not at the planting of a Church I Answer I see no Reason but that it is as lawfull in the one as in the other and therefore if it destroy not the true restoring why should it destroy the true planting But we say Queene Elizabeths Act was a restoring too for I hope wee had a true Church here in Queene Maries time though vnder persecution And I am sure then there was no compulsion to ou● religion nor such Gouernment Seruice ministry or people amongst the Protestants as they now except against and therfore it was a restoring Put case the Separatists haue any children or seruants that are negligent cold and backward in frequenting holy Assemblies or performing religious Duties publique or priuate and vpon admontion they will not reforme what will they doe in this case Will they vtterly cast them off or rather will they not punish them and thereby compell them to the outward meanes and to obedience thereunto wherein if God doe blesse their labours so that through his mercy such children or Seruants doe afterwards labour in the meanes soundly and conscionably shall this bee nought because they were brought thereto by compulsion No surely It is great comfort to the compellers that they tooke that course and it is great comfort to the compelled that they were so dealt withall So the compulsion vsed in restoring the Church in Queene Elizabeths time was lawfull and good against all their clamours and exceptions Secondly they except against the Government of our Church and say that wee haue a false gouernment and therefore a false Church But the consequence is false for then it must follow that a true Gouernment makes a true Church which is not true The Antecedent is false too If they had said it makes a faulty Church they had said true But that it makes a false Anti-Christian Church and I know not what it is a meere slander But say they your officers bee Anti-christian I answer the cheifest officers and those that be most spurnd at are the Bishops And they were before Anti-Christ Thirdly they except against our Seruice of God they say wee haue a false Seruice of God and therefore a false Church I Answer if they meane onely some part of our Seruice as they haue no colour so to traduce it all then the Consequence is false but if they meane all then the Antecedent is notoriously vntrue No part of our Seruice of God can be proued false it being performed of those that are truely religious amongst vs in truth and vnderstanding and affection They except first say they it is carnall I answer happly in some those that haue carnall mindes it is so but it is neither so in it selfe nor so in the conscionable performers thereof The Lord being one God an eternall infinite Spirit our hearts and spirits are lifted vp to beleeue in him to goe to him to cry and call vpon him in his Sonne Secondly they say It is Idolatrous your Seruice booke being your Idoll say they I answer that is no Idoll nor our Seruice thereby Idolatry Thirdly they say we haue a will worship inuented by man I answer wee worship not God by any inuentions of our owne or other mens as parts of his worship but onely as outward Carriages thereof And these also are such as our Church is perswaded are agreeable to these generall Rules of Decency and Order which God hath prescribed in his Word Fourthly they except against our stinted Prayers I answer them hath not the Church alwayes vsed stinted Prayers looke into these Scriptures and yee shall finde it so Numb 6.23 there was a stinted prayer appointed to Aaron and his Sons to blesse the Children of Israel withall Thus shall you blesse the Lord blesse thee and keepe thee c Deut. 26.3 to the 15. there is a forme of Confession and Prayer set downe which the people were to vse when they brought the first fruites 1 Chron. 16.7 to the 36. there is a Psalme which Dauid did appoint to giue thankes vnto the Lord by the hand of Asaph his Brethren Praise the Lord and call vpon his Name c And Psal 92. is intituled a Psalme for the Sabboth appointed to bee sung that day And our Sauiour Christ himselfe appoints a stinted Prayer Luk. 11.2 when ye pray say Our Father c And likewise himselfe vseth a stinted Prayer Matth. 26.44 and hee prayed the third time saying the same words And therefore stinted Prayer in it selfe is no sinne If they reply that they were so directed by the holy Ghost yet that is no let to vs for their conceiued prayers were also directly from the holy Ghost after a speciall manner yet that is no reason but that we may vse conceiued prayers though they be not so specially from the Spirit as theirs And yet we are not so confined to those set prayers but that we may and do in euery particular congregation before and after preaching inlarge adde alter and supply as occasion requires and that as freely zealously and spiritually as any may doe in other Churches yea but say they your Seruice was all taken out of the Portesse or Masse booke contrary to Gods Commandement Leuit. 18.2.3 Deut. 12.30 c I answer it is well knowne that the Church of Rome hath been a true and sound Church and it is knowne that in that time there was some forme of publike prayer and administration of the Sacraments in vse amongst them And as that Church fell by little and little from her integrity so that forme by little and little was corrupted Now the Church being to be reformed 〈…〉 was to bee reformed too and so it was that which was idolatrous and superstitious was cast out and that which was profitable was retayned partly for peace sake that the better sort might still bee held within the Communion of the Church but specially because it was of good vse euen before Popery so that we take nothing from them but what may in a charitable construction be well endured That which is most questioned is the crosse in Baptisme which we

God makes a couenant with Abraham there is the Word and in the 10. vers there is the Sacrament Circumcision and in the 23. verse there is Abrahams obedience He circumcised Ismael and all the males in his house So likewise when God sent to gather his people out of Egypt first hee deliuers them his Word by Moses Exo. 3.15 and 6.6 and he giues them the Sacrament of the Passeouer Exo. 12.3 and in the eight and twenty verse of that Chapter there is the peoples obedience The Children of Israel went and did as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron euen so did they And what was the Law and Sacrifices in the former Testament but euen as the Word and Sacraments are in the new Testament And did not the Lord require and receiue of the people a precise promise of obedience euen before hee prescribed them either Law or Sacrifices This wee may see hee did Exod. 19.5.8 God sent Moses to the people there before hee deliuered them his Law and before hee prescribed their sacrifices to know whether they would obey or not and they said they would So that vnder the Law there was the Word and the Sacraments and profession of obedience in the people and so a true visible Church And so Ioshua renewing the true worship of God Ios 1.16.18 redresseth the things amisse and brings in the Law and the Passe-ouer and the people they promise obedience in all things euen as they obeyed Moses And so in the 2 King 23.2 3 21 22 23. When Iosiah restored the Church of God First hee caused the words of the booke of the Couenant to be reade to the people in the second verse so there was the Word and in the 21. verse there the King restored the Passeouer so there is the Sacrament and in the third verse there is their obedience for the King made a Couenant with the Lord and all the people stood to it And thus likewise it was in the time of Ezra as you may read Chap. 7.8 And also in the time of Nehemiah Chap. 8. 9. they restored the Word and Sacraments and made a Couenant with God wherein they professed their obedience and so were restored to bee a true visible Church So then these must needs be the principall markes and notes whereby a true visible Church is discerned because they are not onely in the instituting of a true visible Church but also in the renewing and restoring of it when it is corrupted It is in this case as with a Campe in the field who as they are gathered at the first to their Colours and Banners so likewise if the Campe bee put to flight by the enemy the Generall hangs out and displaies his Colours and Ensignes that so they that are scattered may gather to them againe and that so they may bee a Campe as before So it is with Gods Church when it is put to the worst when it is corrupted and polluted hee displayes the Ensignes and Banners of his Word and Sacraments that so whosoeuer is fallen away may enter into Couenant againe and become a member of the true visible Church and fight vnder Gods Banner as well as hee did before Thus wee see how it was in the former Testament that these were the true marks of a true visible Church and so it is also in the new Testament I will giue you a patterne or example onely in two Churches and by them you may esteeme of al the rest The first is the Church of Ierusalem Act. 2.14 41 42. In the fourteenth verse it is said Peter lifted vp his voice c. there is the word preached and in verse 41. there is the Sacrament of Baptisme they that gladly receiued his Word were baptized and in verse 42. there is the Sacrament of the Lords Supper vnder the name of breaking of bread and there is also their profession of obedience for they continued in the Apostles Doctrine and fellowship and breaking of bread and prayer and so there was a true visible Church The second patterne is the Church of Corinth 1 Corinth 1.13 there was Baptisme and in the 1 Corinth 11.23 There was the Lords Supper and Chap. 15.1 there was the Word preached and also their obedience for the Apostle Paul preacht vnto them the Gospell which they receiued and continued in So that these are the chiefe and most principall markes of a true visible Church And where these are the Word truely preached the Sacraments rightly administred and profession of obedience to that which they doe both require there is a true visible Church of God The ancient Fathers doe acknowledge this in effect for they say that the Word preached and the Sacraments administred are the chiefest markes of a true visible Church but there must be obedience to them both for that is the Life of all and indeed euen the Papists themselues when they are out of controuersie doe grant the Word and Sacraments are the chiefest and clearest markes of a true visible Church And so much for the proofes Reas 1 The reasons of the obseruation are these First the Word and Sacraments are the causes and the definition of a true visible Church as wee have shewed and therefore must needes bee the most infallible markes of it But you will say how can the same things be the causes and definition and also the signes and markes too Yes very well As for instance the Sunne-shine is the cause and definition as also the infallible marke and signe of the Day and so the Word and Sacraments being the causes and definition of a true visible Church must needes also bee the clearest and most infallible signes and markes of it Reas 2 Secondly they must needes bee infallible markes of a true visible Church which are alwayes found wheresoeuer a Church is planted or wheresoeuer it is continued or wheresoeuer it is restored but the Word and Sacraments and obedience are found in all these therefore these are the most infallible notes of a true visible Church In the first planting Math. 28.19 and in the continuing Act. 2.41 42. and in the restoring as Ioshua's and Iosiah's times c. as we have shewed before Reas 3 Thirdly wheresoeuer Moses is taught and obeyed with his Ceremonies there is a Synagogue of the Iewes where the Alcoran is taught and Mahomet observed there is a Church of Mahometans So likewise where the Gospell of Christ is taught and his Sacraments administred and obedience yeelded to them there is a true Church of Christ Fourthly where there is good wheat sowen and thriues and comes up in the blade is not that a field of wheat So likewise where the Word is preached and the Sacraments administred and profession of obedience to them both is not this a true Church Not that profession onely makes a true Church but because as I have shewed it cannot be but whereas these are there is some that doe sincerely professe Fifthly is not shee a right

Moses held vp his hand Israel preuailed and when hee let his hand downe Amaleck preuailed so it is with vs when we hold vp our hands to God by prayer wee shall preuaile against our spirituall enemies but if wee let downe our hands neglect this duty this dutie of prayer they will preuaile against vs. The last duty which wee are hence taught to practise is patience wee must possesse our soules with patience holding out to the end of the fight and being well content with our present portion sighing for deliuerance and yet waiting the Lords good leasure with an expectation of helpe and comfort to all our crosses and a seasonable and ioyfull deliuerance from all our crosses and a recompence in heauen with a Crowne of glory for all the crosses and miseries which wee doe heere endure And so much for the first point that the Church of God hath many aduersaries c. The second point is who and what these aduersaries are Surely they are very many in number In generall they are all they that are not of the Church for so is our Sauiours Rule Luke 11.23 Hee that is not with me is against me The particulars are many and therefore not easily to be comprehended within one artificiall diuision therefore take euery one by themselues The first aduersary or opposite is a false Church that is such as pretend themselues to be the Church when indeed they are not but are destitute of that which giues the true being of the Church that is of Christ Iesus want of Discipline and such like materiall points may make an vnwholesome and an vnsound Church but so long as Christ Iesus is truely professed they are true Churches The Turks and the Iewes are false churches hauing a false being because Christ is not professed by them The second sort are those that are not yet admitted into the Church and they are not onely Infidells and Reprobates which neuer were nor euer shall be of the Church but also Gods chosen children before their calling are bitter enemies of the Church as the Apostle Paul hee was as great an aduersary against the Church till hee was called as the world could yeeld The third sort of opposites to the Church are heretikes they are such as stiffely maintaine any grosse opinion against the faith professed in the Church some such there were in the Church of Corinth 1 Cor. 11.19 and these opposites are of all sorts some are greater heretikes others lesse and accordingly they are more or lesse opposite yet they are all aduersaries and that in an high degree euen to the faith which is the life of the Church at least in such particulars as they oppose All the embracers of heresies are enemies but the broachers of them most of all The 4th sort of opposites are Schismatikes those that make a diuision or rent in the Church withdrawing themselues from the outward fellowship of those that professe the sauing truth of these the Apostle speakes Heb. 10.34 that they withdraw themselues to perdition these are dangerous aduersaries for they doe not onely make a rent in the Church but as much as in them lies they diuide Christ as the Apostle speaks 1 Cor. 1.13 of both these opposites the Heretike and the Schismatike it may be said as the Apostle saith 1 Iohn 2.19 They went out from vs because they were not of vs Now as Heretikes are opposite to the faith of the Church so are Schismtikes to the vnity of the Church and as Schismatikes are opposite to the whole Church so specially they are opposite to that Church from which they separate The fifth sort of aduersaries are Apostates that reuolt from the faith and fall to their old estate of nature and sinne such was Demas 2 Tim. 4.10 who forsooke the Apostle Paul and embraced this present euill world And this is the fearefullest estate of all the rest for if they so persist as they hardly euer recouer they fall into the sinne against the holy Ghost which shall neuer be forgiuen of such the Apostle speakes Hebr. 6.4 5 6. that it is impossible that they which were once enlightened and haue tasted of the heauenly gift c. if they fall away that they should be renued againe by repentance and Heb. 10.26 If we sin willingly after wee haue receiued and acknowledged that truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sinne The sixth sort of opposites are persecutors that doe not onely not regard the Church and the truth but they hate and persecute it and those that loue it and that not in a meane degree but for the most part they are blood-suckers and nothing will satisfie them but eyther the soules of professors if they forsake the truth or their bodies and liues if they continue stedfast in the truth The 7th sort of opposites are Hypocrites or Counterfeits such as pretend Religion when as yet they affect it not sincerely and in truth they goe to the Church heare the Word receiue the Sacraments c. but they do it not with a single and sincere affection If these be Ministers then they are false Apostles such as the Apostle speakes of 2 Cor. 11.13 that are deceitfull workers and transforme themselues into the Apostles of Christ or if they be of the people they are false brethren such as the Apostle speakes of Galat. 2.4 that are crept into the Church to spye out our liberty these are the more dangerous enemies because they are so neere to vs as it is in a family there is most danger by those of the same houshold if any of them be a thiefe he may set the doores open to let others in they are most dangerous as first being least suspected for if wee did suspect them wee would beware of them secondly as hauing fittest opportunities to doe vs mischiefe because they know our courses and so can the more easily betray vs as Iudas knowing our Sauiours walke was the fittest Instrument to betray the Lord of life Iohn 18.2 Eighthly excommunicate persons are aduersaries to the Church who though they doe not voluntarily depart from the Church as Schismatikes doe yet are they worthily cut off from the Church such was the Incestuous person 1 Cor. 5.5 these are in a fearefull estate for they haue no comfort by the prayers of the Church being cut off from the body they can haue no communion with it and till such times as they repent and are reconciled to the Church they are to be accounted of as opposites as Heathens and as Publicans Ninthly we come to those that are more spirituall enemies the world that is the people and fashions of the world the people of the world they hate vs because wee are none of their society as our Sauiour saith Iohn 15.19 And the fashions of the world which we are not to yeeld vnto in any hand Fashion not your selues according to the world saith the Apostle Rom. 12.2 These are

and this Rule holds as well for the Church now as then there being the same necessity there must also be the same power So the point is plaine that euery particular visible Church hath power from God to ordaine certaine outward Rites c. The reasons to proue this point are these First some Reas 1 Ceremonies are necessary in euery Church no Religion can possibly be carried without some outward Rites and Ceremonies Now who shall ordaine these but themselues as best knowing their owne State As in a priuate family who shall ordaine orders for it but those of the Family Secondly no Rights are vniuersall to hold euery Reas 2 where in all Churches no that is impossible because diuers Churches are of diuers states and therefore euery Church must haue power to ordaine Ceremonies for themselues Thirdly no Ceremonies are perpetuall in one and the Reas 3 same Church euery Church in time differing from it selfe by the change of occasions and states and then the Ceremonies which they had before are not fit for them now and therefore still they must haue power to ordaine as their state shall require Lastly if a particular Church hath not power to ordaine Reas 4 certaine Rites the Church vnder the Gospell is inferior to that vnder the Law For that was prouided for in this kinde by the Lord himselfe and that in particular But the Church now is not so prouided for of him If any say it is let them shew where therefore it must needes be that hee giues the Church now power to prouide for themselues in this kinde The vses are these First this teacheth the Church to Vse 1 take the benefit of this authority that God hath giuen them but you will say the Church is ready enough to take their liberty herein and therefore they had need to be bounded and bridled that they goe not too farre eyther for multitude vnprofitablenesse superstiton or the like The limits and bounds therefore that euery Church is to containe themselues within in ordaining Ceremonies are these First they must doe nothing that is opposite to Gods Word Secondly they must haue no opinion of Gods worship placed in them as the Surplice and the Crosse if the Church so inioyne them it makes them vnlawfull If they haue beene abused so heretofore by the Papists that is not their sinne now take away the abuse and the things may still be imposed and put in practice Thirdly wee must haue an eye to doe all to Gods glory 1 Cor. 10.31 Fourthly they must be done without scandall or offence as much as possibly may be the Church must be wary heerein for though all things be lawfull yet all thing are not expedient 1 Cor. 10. 23 32. Fifthly all things must be done to edification 1 Cor. 14 26. Lastly all things must be done decently and in order 1 Cor. 14.40 as in Exod. 28.40 Aarons sonnes must haue Coats and Girdles and Bonnets made them for glory and beauty which being the end that the Lord in the Legall Ceremonies did ayme at it must needs be our end also in the like cases and thus the Church may safely ordaine Ceremonies The last vse is to teach vs that if we liue in a Church where such things are ordained that are not simply vnlawfull we must take heed that we resist not this power or the things thereby ordained Bridle thy selfe from dislike specially from refusall yet yeeld with some perswasion of conscience take such a course whereby thou mai'st obey the Magistrate and the Church and yet not offend the weake heerein is wisedome yet rather obey the Magistrate though with offence for heere disobedience is the greater sinne and so takes away the sinne of offending the weake and indeede in this case I giue none offence because my hands are bound and I haue no liberty to doe otherwise but what if a man be not perswaded of these things What is then to be done must hee separate from the Church No first they must labour to be better informed secondly they must resolue to beare with a great deale rather then to make a rent in the Church thirdly suffer thy selfe to be ouerborne in things indifferent by the authority of the Church till thou be'st able to proue it simply vnlawfull or to shew that there is greater scandall in the vse of it then in disobeying the voyce of the Church and of the Christian Magistrate I know that it is sinne to disobey the Christian Magistrate except I know that God commands the contrary Now in these indifferent things I doe but feare I doe not know that God commands the contrary to that which my conscience is doubtfull of now shall I runne into a knowne sinne because I would auoyde a sinne onely feared So much shall serue for this point And so wee haue finished the eyghth point concerning the power and authority of the Church The sixe and twentieth LECTVRE of the CHVRCH YOu may remember that 9. points were propounded to be spoken to concerning the Church whereof we haue already handled 8. of them And now wee are to speake of the ninth and that is the application of all that which hath been spoken to all visible Churches in Christendome that I knnow of those Congreagtions that professe not Christianity we meddle not with The Pagans that professe heathenish Religion no Christian the Iewes that professe the Law and not the Gospell the Turks that professe that abominable Idoll Mahomet and not the Sonne of God Iesus Christ these wee haue here nothing to doe with they are vtterly excluded from the outward name of a Church as being assemblies quite of another kinde they haue no Christ not somuch as in outward profession and therefore are no Church at all It is the Christian assemblies that is those that professe the faith of Christ crucified that wee are heere to speake of you shall vnderstand that the Doctrine concerning the Church whereof I haue spoken hath been so plainely and fully deliuered that if it be rightly vnderstood it will easily apply it selfe to all Christian Churches in the censure of those that are Religious Iudicious but yet because diuers Christian Churches are of diuers conditions differing one from another as well in time as in place and because the chiefe reach of this whole discourse both in teacher hearer is this to see how we may iustifie our standing in the present state of this Church of England therefore for your better direction both to helpe your iudgement concerning other Churches and to settle your resolution touching the goodnesse and soundnesse of this Church that we liue in I will endeauour God willing to make application of that which hath beene spoken as to all Churches in generall so more particularly to this Church of ours The generall diuision of all Churches that eyther are or haue beene since our Sauiours time is two-fold First according to their situation and so some are Easterne and the