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A60564	The Quaker disarm'd, or, A true relation of a late publick dispute held at Cambridge by three eminent Quakers against one scholar of Cambridge ; with a letter in defence of the ministry and against lay-preachers ; also several quæries proposed to the Quakers to be answered if they can.	Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Allen, William, d. 1686.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.	1659 (1659)	Wing S4227; ESTC R18877	22,488	24

other time 20. And now I proceed to the 2d generall head which I promised to prove viz. That 't is a dangerous sin in him to preach as he did and in the people to hear him I argued to him thus To do that which God strictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament is to commit a dangerous sins But to preach publickly as he did being not ordained is to do that which God ●rictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament Therefore the doing it is to commit a dangerous sin 21. For the Old Testament I proved that all Gods people who were not ordained or consecrated to be Priests were forbid to meddle with any Sacerdotall Office Num. 18.22 23. Ex. 28.1 And as by these two places so by two examples of Gods dreadfull judgment upon Vzza and Vzzia who offended against this Law Vzzia though he were a King and so you 'l say might take more upon him then any Subject was withstood by the Priests and forbid to burn incense before the Lord while the censure was in his hand the Leprosy arose in his forehead and continued there as a brand upon him as long as he had a day to live 2 Chron. 26.16 c Vzza did but put forth his hand to take hold of the Ark to stay it from falling while the Oxen shook it and presently the anger of the Lord was kindled against him and God smote him dead upon the place 2 Sam 6.6 7. To which add the judgments that fell upon Cora and his company who for offering incense were swallowed up alive by the earth Num. 16.3.39 40 Upon Ieroboam and his family who for setting up Priests of the meanest of the People who were not of the sons of Levi 1 Kin. 12.13 Had those fearfull curses denounced against them c. 14.10 I will take away the remnant of the house of Ieroboam as a man takes away dung till it be all gone Him that dyes of Ieroboam in the City shall the Dogs eat and him that dyes in the Field shall the fouls of the Air eat for the Lord hath spoken it 22. For the new Testament I urged Heb. 5.4 No man takes this office to himself unless called of God as was Aaron For there be Evangelical Priests and Altars as well Legal which appeares Heb. 12.10 And in many other places of that Epistle Christ was faithfull in all his house as was Aaron Heb. 3.2 And if he was so faithfull in his house that is the Church then he appointed some to Minister as well as Aaron did As Aaron made Legal Priests so Christ Evangelical Ministers As Aaron had an Altar circumcision and the passover so Christ the Lords Table Baptisme and the Eucharist 23. When he ascended he gave some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry c. Till we all come in the unity of the faith that is till the end of the World He gave some Pastors therefore not all Every man may not take upon him to be a Pastor nor a Prophet because Christ appointed onely some Eph. 4.11 24. Nor is there any thing more Evident in all the Book of God than that there ought to be a distinction of Sheepheards and flocks Learners and Teachers some that are charged with the cure of Souls others that are charged to attend and obey Heb. 13.17 Some that are separated from the affaires of this life that they may give themselves wholly to reading 1 Tim. 4.5 to exhortation to Doctrine and therefore are to be partakers of other mens temporals that others may be partakers of their Spiritualls Others to plow and sow and harrow the ground and use other lawfull trades working with their hands the thing that is good that they may have to give to him that needeth 25. I beseech you to lay aside passion and consider some day when you retir● from your worldly affaires whether it be possible that that power which at fo●● severall times upon four severall occasions our Blessed Saviour did mentio● and give to the Apostles could expire with their persons Some things o● great concernment he mentions but once in all the Scripture as upon wha● heads chiefly we shall be examined at the day of judgment and the speech tha● he will then make Mat. 25.34 And when he who was the Wisdome of the Father names a thing not only four times but upon four notable occasions can you imagine that matter a trifle and intended only for some very few years The thing which I mean is the power not only of preaching the Gospell and administring the Sacraments but also of remitting and retaining sins which was mentioned by Christ 1. Upon occasion of St. Peters confessing him promising and foretelling that he would enstate it upon the Apostles Matt. 16.19 2ly Upon occasion of exemplifying that necessary truth that the cheif end of Christs coming into the World was to save that which was lost Matt. 18.11 He speaks of the institution of this power as evidently instrumentall to that design 3ly Immediately before his final departure out of this World he enstated them initially in this ghostly power Ioh. 20.21.22 with significant ceremonies and important circumstances saying As my Father hath sent me so send I you He breathed on them and said receive the H. Ghost Lastly immediately after his Ascention sending the great promise of his Father Luk. 24.49 T is absurd to think that this power thus insisted on by Christ thus given to the Apostles was to expire with their persons especially considering that at his bestowing it on them He promised to be with them to the end of the World Matt. 28.20 26. I hope you l not wonder I mention this power which our Saviour gave his Ministers of remitting and retaining sins when I believe this very Tinker arrogates it to himself as well as the power to preach For in the midst of our forementioned dispute about his false doctrines he breaking out into very many impertinent di●erting questions as asking me when I was converted what were the signes at length he demanded what were the particular sins which I confessed to Almighty God when I last received the body and blood of Iesus Christ As if I were bound to confesse my private sins not only to him when as I told him God hath not made you my Confessour but also to the meanest of all the vulgar in the Country 27. But to proceed The Apostle asks Rom. 10.15 how shall they preach unles they be sent He puts the question as if he should say what man in his wits can think it lawfull who that hath read one leafe either of the law or Gospell 28. Considering the examples not only of Vzza and Vzzia under the Old Testament but in the New of Matthias who had been as well as any man else a witness of the Doctrine and life and miracles of our

He answered That none of them were his followers for he came alone and brought not one with him That it was their meeting-House and therefore more likely to be their followers So after S. at the Quakers request had entreated the people to be quiet he asked W. S. Do you profess your self to be an Embassador of Christ or do you not W. Yea I do S. Then that you may understand my argument the better for I perceive you do not yet ken it I 'll illustrate it by a similitude Suppose we being not at peace with Spain twelve men should go hence to the King of that Nation and tell him that they are all sent Embassadors to him from the Parliament of England He asks them for their Commissions One of them shows him his Commission in Parchment and the other 11 tell him they have a Commission but he must beleeve them on their words for they cannot show it Every one of them exclaiming against this man who showes his Commission and against the other for counterfeits crying aloud that he himself and he alone is the true Embassador though he have nothing to prove it by more then the other ten false In such a case would you not say that these 11 are Knaves Answer W. and F. and all the rest stood still and said not a word S. If it be an heinous sin for any man to pretend a Commission from an earthly Prince or Parliament when he hath none indeed to show shall not his crime be incomparably more grievous his condemnation unspeakably more dreadful who pretends one from the King of Heaven when he hath none to show W. I have a commission S. Show it Here W. Stood mute and the people said he was wont to call the Clergie Dumb Dogs but now he was Dumb himself S. Let us hear or see what your commission is Distinguish that commission which you say you have from that which all the Damnable Hereticks in the World do or may produce for themselves Here W. made a long speech to the people To which S. replyed S. You have told us a long storie whereof I can make neither head nor foot I am sure it concerns my argument no more then if you should tell us they are now selling apples upon the Market-hill Tell us or show us what is your commission W. I have my commission from Christ S. I do not well hear what you say but I think you told us of another commission the other day from that which you speak of now W. I told you then that I had it from the power of God and now that I had it from Christ S. They differ For Moses had his commission from the power of God yet had it not from Christ who gave no commission to any before the Twelve Apostles Fox Christ and the Power of God are all one S. Well we will not discuss any impertinent questions Whether they be one or not you do not answer my argument 'T is this He who pretends to be an Embassador of Christ and hath no commission to show but only a talk that he is sent from Christ he hath none to show but what damnable Hereticks do or may show But you pretend to be an Embassadour of Christ and have no c. W. Did ever any Heretick pretend a commission from Christ S. Yes Dav. George Socinus Arius and all the Hereticks I ever read of W. They could not prove it by the effects as I can that is show the people that were converted by them S. Yes they could Arians converted a nation of Infidels to Christianity which is more then you pretend to and his opinions spread so far among them who before his time were Orthodox that in short time 't was said All the world seemed Arian W. But did the Hereticks live good lives S. 'T is confessed by all the Ancients that Arius and his Followers did by St. Austin that Pelagius did and I remember no Sect-Master that did not If you have no commission to show but this you see that all damnable Hereticks do or may show the same and so my conclusion remains firm That you open a door to damnable Heresy W. No I have proved my commission sufficiently and you have brought nothing against it S. Let the people judge of that You and I come not hither to be judges in our own cause W. You should prove me an Heretick which you do not go about to do S. I shall do that when I come at it 'T is the second question We are not yet come so far we are yet but at the door of your house I am proving that you open a door to let in Hereticks A man may open the door of his house to let them in and be none himself W. I 'll prove that I am none my self and that from Scripture S. You come hither to answer and not to oppose but since contrary to the rules of dispute you resolve to do both at once I 'll give you leave come let us hear your argument W. 'T is taken out of 2 Pet. 2.1 2. But there were false prophets also among the people even as there shall be false Teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable Heresies even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction S. Mark destruction and damnable twice applied to Heresie in one Verse W. And many shall follow their pernicious wayes by reason of whom the way of Truth shall be evil spoken of Hence I prove that I am no Heretick Observe here Hereticks are those who deny the Lord that bought them I do not deny the Lord that bought me Therefore I am no Heretick S. I deny your major All Hereticks do not deny the Lord that bought them The Apostle there instances in one sort of false Teachers the worst who would even deny the Lord Observe the word even here is a special brand put upon them It follows not hence that none are false prophets none false teachers or as you would have it none Hereticks but those who do deny the Lord that bought them Prove that Prove your Major W. I have Christ within me and therefore I do not deny the Lord that bought me S. You do not prove your major I beleeve you do not understand my answer I 'll explain it Suppose a man lying here sick unto death will you prove that he is not sick at all because he hath no plague-sore upon him or hath no consumption Because he hath not this or that or a third disease therefore hath he none There be many sorts of Hereticks the Apostle here mentions damnable Heresies in the plural as there be of diseased persons Some deny the Lord that bought them others not 'Till not follow that because you are not of one sort of these therefore you be not of the other Prove your major if you can if not give me leave to argue against you from this very Text Whitehead

Fox and all the rest here stood silent S. Well beloved from this very text that he hath brought to prove he is no Heretick I will demonstrate which I am sorry that I must do but you see he thrusts me upon it that this man is the most damnable Heretick that ever was in the world and that since this Epistle was first writ 't was never so litterally and plainly fulfill'd in any person as in him this day Here the people fecht a deep sigh Hear the words again the two first Verses There were false prophets also c. I begin my Argument from those very words you inlisted on even denying the Lord that bought them the worst of Hereticks He that writ this book Ishmael c. even denyes the Lord that bought him You writ this book Therefore you even deny the Lord that bought you W. I deny the major S. I 'll read a few lines of it and then prove my major you write this against Mr. Townsend Minister of Norwich In your second page are these words Christopher Atkinson Iames Lancaster George Whitehead and Tho. Simonds now in Norwich Goal for their errors and miscarriages Thee Priest Townsend thou Dreamer thou Deceiver Witch O thou blinde Guide thou enemie of God without Christ and his knowledge and in Antichrist W Is the word Witch there S. Thou wouldst bewitch the people with thy lies p. 3. After these and many more such good words he comes p. 10. to speak against the B. Trinity and hath this passage p. 10. The Three Persons thou dreamest of speaking to Mr. T. which thou wouldest divide out of one like a conjurer are all denyed and thou shut up with them in perpetual darkness for the lake and the pit Here the multitude held up their hands and cryed God bless us S. See here he saith that he who asserts the three Persons in the ever blessed Trinity is a dreamer and a conjurer and that that man shall be damned with that Trinity Fox We do not deny God therefore we are no Hereticks Atheists deny God therefore they are Hereticks S. This man will be opponent again Atheists are no Hereticks F. Are not Atheists Hereticks S. No Atheists are worse then Hereticks but they are not Hereticks From these words in Whiteheads book now read I argue thus He who denies the three persons in the B. Trinity and calls him dreamer and conjurer who asserts them saying that a man who saith there be three persons in the Trinity shall be shut up with them in perpetuall darkness for the lake and the pit that man is an Heretick even denying the Lord that bought him But you G. Whitehead deny the three persons in the blessed Trinity c. Fox Here made very long discourse against the Trinity S. Beloved you see I let him speak all he can say I do not disturb them in their speaking as they do me I am willing to hear him or any of them speak all they can for themselves but I confess it grieves me to hear them speak against the B. Trinity and I had far rather hear them talk of somewhat else then make declamations against Almighty God I answer That nothing of this your speech is to the purpose What do you answer to the argument I repeat it again He who denies c. Fox run on in another discourse against the three persons S. I came not hither to hear you to repeat a deall of stuff out of Paul Beast who writ against the Trinity I came hither to dispute If you l answer my argument do If not say you cannot F. Prove that there be three persons S. I will F. But prove it out of Scripture S. I will so 1 Iohn 5.7 There be three that bare record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and these three are one F. Prove that there be three Persons S. I will Allen Prove them to be three Persons plainly without Logicall termes and vain Philosophy that we may all understand thee S. I will if the Father Son and H. Ghost be three hee s then they are three Persons but they are three hees F. What do you mean by three hee s S. Three things that may be pointed at he and he and he F. I do not like that argument S. I would fain give you an argument that you should like are you three Persons who dispute against me this day or are you not F. Yea we are three Persons t is plain S. Give me now any argument that pleaseth you to prove it and by the very same argument I le prove that there be three Persons in the B. Trinity F. We are in three places and therefore three Persons S. The Father Son and H. Ghost have been in three places and therefore are three Persons At the baptisme of Christ while Jesus came up the H. Ghost came down in the same moment one ascended out of the water the other descended to the water Matt. 3.16 17. And Jesus when he was baptized went up straightway out of the water and loe the Heavens were opened unto him and he saw the H. Spirit of God descending like a Dove and lighting upon him And loe a voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased In this verse is mention of God the Father in heaven God the Son coming out of the water and the H. Ghost descending on this side Heaven like a Dove F. Prove there were three persons S. I do it thus If Christ was coming up out of the water while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water then they were in severall places but Christ was coming up out of the waters while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water Therefore they were in severall places F. They have not flesh and bones as we have S. What then I did not promise to prove them to be men or you to be Angels or Gods but them to be Persons like you only in personality F. Persons have flesh and blood as you see we have S. I prove that all Persons have not flesh and blood If God should send this day three Angels from Heaven to prove the truth of Christian Religion against you who deny it and one of them should stand at one end of your meeting house another at the other end and a third in the midst preaching Would you not say that these three Angels were three Persons Yet they have not flesh and blood Speak would you say they are three Persons or would you not All stood mute at length one of them said that Angels are not Persons S. Till me what you mean by a person and I le prove that Angels are persons F. A person is a subsistence We three are three different susistences S. So are the Father Son and H. Ghost if they were in different places they must needs be different subsistences You see my argument stands firm notwithstanding your objection I pass to another

Protestants beyond the seas call their Auditors in their Sermons Fideles that is beleivers and he is the first man that ever I read or heard of who preacht among a company of people who were all baptized and professed Christianity and yet called them unbelievers or infidells Entreat him from me to consider that of our Saviour Matt. 7.1 Judg not that ye be not judged or that of St. Paul which was the first place I urged against him 1 Cor. 13.1 Though I speak with the tongue of men and of Angels and have not charity I am as sounding brass or a tinkling Cimball 11. I askt him what Scripture or reason he had to prove that Christians are to be judged at the great day not only by the Gospell but also the Law He cited Iam. 2.12 and said that the law of Moses was there called the Law of Liberty I beseech you consult the place and judg you 'l finde that not the Law but the Gospell is there meant quite contrary to this mans purpose which I would prove by the context if I thought it worth the while This same Law is called the perfect Law Iam. 1.25 Now the Law of Moses is never termed the perfect Law in the New Testament for it could not make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10.1 But the Gospell is termed Liberty Gal. 5.1.13 Stand fast in the Liberty c. You have been called unto liberty By which name the Law is no where called in all the holy Scripture For the more ample confutation of this his Doctrine and exposition I pray read Gall 4. from the 19th verse to the end of that chapter 12. These and severall other strange passages in that little of his Sermon that I heard with confuting whereof I shall not trouble you now because my leasure is not much and I intend this paper chiefly to a better purpose made me sadly think on that place of St. Peter at the end of his 2d Epistle that there be some things in St. Pauls Epistles hard to be understood which they that be unlearned and unstable wrest as they do other Scriptures to their own destruction 13. One of those hard places I take the Tinkers Text to be 1 Thes. 4.16 which I did not know to be his Text till next day otherwise I should have told him that his sermon as far as I could hear my self or gather by others did not come any nearer to that Text then to those words Abraham begat Isaac 14. Before I leave him let me mind you of two passages which he used to me severall times and leave you to judg whether he who spake those words often in that auditory can be a good Christian or a man in his right wits First he called me frequently fool and giddy pated fellow c. Concerning which see Matt. 5.22 whosoever shall say to his Brother Racha t is a Syriack word signifying giddy-pate shall be in danger of the Councell and whosoever shall say thou fool shall be in danger of hell fire 15. Hear what St. Iames saith 1.26 If any man among you though he be a wandring preaching Tinker for you must give me leave to call him so till I know what other name he hath seem to be religious and bridle not his tongue that mans religion is vain I shall not take upon me to censure him I told him that I had not called him any such name nor did I think it fit but I le entreat him to consider what St. Iude saith 9.10 that when Michaell the Archangell disputed with the Devill about the body of Moses he durst not bring against him a railing accusation but said The Lord rebuke thee So that if he had been an Archangell and I a Devill he should not have used me when he had nothing to answer as he did Michaell durst not See what follows These speak ●vill of those things which they know not but what they know naturally as br●●● beasts in those things they corrupt themselves 16. This minds me of his 2d passage which I before hinted viz. his sayin● severall times that Logick was hell bred and came from hell A way quoth he to Oxford with your hell bred Logick Either this man knowes what Logick is or he knowes not if he knowes not what it is and railes against it he incurre● St. Iudes censure speaking evill of those things which he knowes not c. And I must entreat him to remember the sad words of 2 Pet. 2.12 That those who as naturall bruit beasts made to be taken and destroyed speak evill of those things which they understand not shall utterly perish in their own corruption and shall receive the reward of unrighteousness If he know what Logick is then he knowes t is a Greek word which signifies rationall Rom. 12 1 or rather the right way of arguing which he reproved me for not knowing in his first words to me Now to blame me for not knowing how to argue and at the same time almost in the same breath to blame me for discoursing Logically that is if he understand himself for knowing how to argue is to speak contradictions And he that will do so and defend it is no fit man to be a Preacher nor to talk with any rationall man much less to be followed by any wise person 17. And I pray ask any man in the world that knowes what Logick is whether it doth not put a difference between a man and a beast which proposition I affirmed and he severall times denyed but would not let me prove it He saying 't was sin that put the difference whereas nothing but sin can turn him who in one of his books saith if you would go to Christ go as filthy as you can or any other man into a beast 18. I shall leave his Logick when I have told you that I am ready to prove whensoever you desire me that Christ used Logick in every discourse in the Gospell and the Apostles in every Epistle and that without Logick 't is impossible for any man to understand much lesse to interpret either the Epistles or Gospells 19. Thus much briefly concerning the T 's errours publisht in the barn tother day I could name more for he delivered much falsity in those few words that I heard but I hope this will suffice to let you see clearly he is not such a true Preacher as you have lately took him to be For sure if you had not took him to be excellent you would not have stood up in the barn severall times to defend him and rebuke me who offered not to speak a word till all where coming out And if you had not done so but would have had half the patience to have heard me as you had for the Tinker I would not have troubled you with this paper Without which as the case stands I know not how to perform that promise which you forced me to make before them all of satisfying you some