comply with our Brethren lying under these sins be not a breach of the bond of love according to that in the Corinths Love rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth And whether it be the union and wisdom of the spirit to hold the bond of peace without purity according to that in James 3.17 The wisdom that is from above is first pure then peaceable c. So that our present practise seems unto us to be a pressing after that Grace of love in its true end according to the Scripture yea it is counted by the Lord a hating of our brother to see sin upon him and not to admonish him Lev. 19.17 and to withdraw from him in cafe that Admonition bring him not to such an acknowledgement of his sinne as to forsake it 9 9. Whether it be sufficient to excuse us at the great day of the Lord d The occasion of this query did arise from the great outcry made against us by the generality of them charging us with Schism and making division in the Church when our Lord saith that offenees will come but wo be to those by whom they do come And whether the crying evil of the Souldiers hath not justly given offence and Mr. Simpson and some others chiefly abetting of them hath not also added thereunto we leave unto the upright in heart to judge and whether it be not a popish principle and also they do not hereby condemn their own practice in seperating from the National church so called of England in saying There is no withdrawing from a Brother walking disorderly because the maior part of a congregation falls in with them And is it not the argument of the Church of Rome at this day who say we do withdraw from the Mother-church because the grand apostacy first sprang from a true Church in home who in number have all along been the maior part that Wee did cry out The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord are we when at the same time it will appeare that wee have those amongst us who do defile the Temple of the Lord to the view of the World for the Temple of God is holy and that you should rejoice in such defilement surely all such rejoycing is not good And whether our Lord Jesus by the Evangelist John doth not charge five of the seven Churches in the Revelation for complying with sin yea one of them for their lukewarmness is threatned to be spued out of his mouth as being a Church onely in Name and not in deed and one of the other two to wit Smyrna hath no sin laid to their charge but are exhorted to be faithful unto death and they shall receive a Crown of life for the Devil would cast some of them into prison Now we suppose that the Devil there it taken for some of his Instruments which makes out That their testimony was of such a publike nature that the power in being would take hold of them and yet it cannot be supposed but that they had their sins of weakness though nothing is laid to their charge in regard of their faithfulness to some present Truth 10 10. Whether sin in a Church of Christ we mean sinnes of scandal be not more dishonourable e If the incestuous persons sin or two or three Brethren committing the same or other sins be dishonorable to God then surely if the church whose duty it is to reprove cast out such from amongst them Matth. 18 17. com with 1 Cor. 5.13 should either be guilty of the same or own them that are so their sin would be so much more But to come more home to our present case see Numb chap. 14. chap. 16. where the lesser part of the congregation to wit Moses Aaron Caleb and Ioshua who were pressing on from Egypt to Canaan the work of God in that generation were counted faithful owned by him for that very cause but the greater part of the conregation who said Let us make a captain and return into Aegypt and would have stoned Moses and Aaron c. their sin was so dishonorable to God and did so provoke the eyes of his glory that their carkasses must fall and not see the good Land they were going into yea and their children after them wander in the Wilderness forty years And in Numb 16. The sin of the greater part of the congregation in joyning with Korah and the renowned men amongst them in opposition to the Spirit of the Lord in Moses c. upon the forementioned account see verse 13 14 was like wise so abominable in his fight that he bid Moses and Aaron ver 21 24 26. Separ te from them and also speak to the congregation to depart from the Tents of those wicked men and touch nothing of thews lest they be consumed in all their sins Then surely the wickedness of them in Power who have indeed made a Captain and are gone back to Aegypt and those that uphold them whilest they oppose and persecute the Lords spirit in his little Remnant who are pressing from Monarchy and Tyranny towards the promised Zion and Kingdom of Christ the work of God in this generation doth equal if not exceed the sin of that congregation of Korah his company it is as great an evil to touch with them or receive any of their things upon that account as dishonorable to God to stand by uphold them therein or for Churches or others to own them that do so as it was to have countenanced upheld or touch't with Korah and his company in that day to God then the like in a private brother or two or three Brethren And how can we be said to withdraw from every Brother that walks disorderly when we quietly sit down with the Church that owns them in their sin as we conceive and do break bread with and prophesie amongst them for we cannot see how this will hold before the Lord when we are to avoid every appearance of evil 11 11. Whether to acquiess in the judgement of a Church concerning sin though a restimony have been born against it be not something of the reliques of the man of sin and in process of time may not bring us under this Maxime To believe as the Church believes though we ought to be very tender and careful how we proceed in such a business that we be upright in heart before the Lord earnestly seeking to him for direction and counsel 12 12. Whether our Brethren that wear the Sword are not to be charged with Schism making a rent in the Church having through their just offence given to many Brethren and Sisters in the Congregation and many other choice Saints in the Nation made division amongst us and as we hear several others standing in the like quality with them have been f There was a mistake about the Souldiers mentionend in this query as cast our of two Congregations in VVales for so soon
Robes Revenues c out of the spoils of the late Monarchy and put them among their ownstuff which ought to be improved to carry on the work of the Lord but also the old bribing practice of giving receiving honors with other arbitrary antichristian powers that part of the accursed thing which should wholly be destroyed to uphold themselves and court in that outward Pomp Pride Luxury yea greater oppression tyranny which so much faith prayer appeals hath formerly been put up and exercised blood and treasure spent for the ruin and destruction of Kings in Chains and Nobles in Feters of Iron c. But oh that which we desire to mourn before the Lord for is That after nine or ten years War wherein for the latter part thereof our adversaries have been but as dust before the Wind not being able to stand before the Faith Prayers and Persons of the Lords people either by Sea or Land Wherein we cannot but think that the dispensation of the Lord hath been somewhat like that of Israel in their journey to Canaan and our present standing somewhat like that in the sixth and seventh of Joshua where Achan thorough his Covetousness made bold with a wedge of Gold and Babylonish Garment contrary to the command of the Lord in the destruction of Jericho upon which account it is called an Accursed thing wherein give us leave humbly to observe this e e Mr. Sympson upon asecond day at All hallows spake from Ioshua 6.26 Cursed be the man before the lord that riseth up and buildâ—s the Citie Iericho c. and raised the same observation from the words that we have here inserted and did then say That he looked upon the late King and his Monarchy with the Hierarchy of the Bishops to be that Jericho in whose ruin the lord was as much glorified as in that of Jericho being the fruite of the faith and prayers of the lords people as well as of their persons and that whosoever should build it or when built maintain it did hazard the bringing themselves under the curse of the lord for so doing and by way of allusion unto Jericho did spiritually discover the present apostacy manifesting how dangerous it was to be an abettor unto and a complyer with the lericho builders of this day That that person or those persons who shall build that which the Lord hath got himself so much glory in the destruction of do transgress the Command of the Lord and hazard the bringing themselves under the Curse of the Lord for so doing and such also who partake with them in this their building become guilty thereof before the Lord and not onely so but to partake of the Wedge of God and Babylonish Garment surely such persons are in a high measure accessary to such transgressions by means whereof the Work of the Lord is retarded as to any visible appearance yea he is withdrawn from us and goeth not forth with our Forces f Hath there not been a series of providences loudly witnessing against the present apostacy since its first rise and to mention but three or four of many First In frustrating the consultations of both his Parliaments though as we conceive they were called and garbled on purpose to settle the person in power Secondly the very chargeable and in a great measure fruitless expedition of the Navy to the Straits Thirdly The wonderful blasting that so much boasted of design to and at Hypaniola though some have vainly said That the Lord was bound to carry on that design to manifest their integrity for Christs interest yet hath it hitherto been greatly dishonourable to this Nation and the loss of many thousand lives by a few cow-killers and a great mortality there and at Iamaica Fourthly In not onely withdrawing the prayers of his people from but engaging them against it and their forces doth clearly declare that God is departed from them and become their Enemy Isa 26 11 by Sea or Land as of old but we fall and consume away before our Enemies according to that in Isa 30.15 16 17. And now give us leave in the fear of the Lord and we hope in humility to declare That our dear brethren who wear the Sword to maintain the present Power and Government the new erected Jericho of this day being all of the formerly engaged for God and Christ before the present Apostacy cannot free themselves from those publike sins laid before them by us in the presence of the Congregation to wit First Treason contrary to an Act g If every just Ordinance of man ought to be obeyed 1 Pet 2 13 then surely this Act of Jan. 30. 1648 with that of March 17. following see Looking-Glass pag. 43 44. being a fruit of the Parliament together with the Lords people and the armies publike testimony against Oppression and Tyranny as also Monarchy the foundation thereof in prosecution whereof the Army and Navy were wonderfully blessed against all opposers not that we magnifie that form of Government otherwise then as we saw it at that time more conducing to the advancement of the interest of Christ and the Nations liberty and more refined in its nature than Kingly Government could be at the best from whom many corrupt members being purged Tyranny was in some measure supprest and the cause of Christ carryed on in opposition to antichrist for otherwise we judge that all forms of mens invention may be broken and made void when they answer not the end for which they were appointed made by Parliament the then Authority of this Nation after many out-goings of God not onely against the late King as a Tyrant but against his Monarchy as the root of Tyranny whereby the Form as well as the Power was destroyed as that Jericho which stood in opposition to the Lord his Cause and People so that to build it or when built to maintain it the Lord being much glorified in the ruin of it can be no less then publikely scandalous for without the Army of which our Brethren are Members and some of them very eminent in office in the judgement of reason this h An image of the Beast in regard it prosecutes the same tyrannical interest from a tincture of the same spirit which the late King did stands upon the same yea a more bloody bottom so much of the Saints others blood being shed in opposition to it is more arbitrary then the former having first by himself and secondly under the false cover of a second garbled Company of Sallary and self-interested men without the lords people and the Nations consent taken the Military power and a negative voice c. which no King ever was allowed and is not onely sinful and scandalous but contrary to the mind of the lord and right Reason Therefore when Soul through a spirit of apostacy in and from the wrath of God upon the people was chosen king Samuel declared he would be such a one 1 Sam. 8.9
it shall appear that it is groundlesly division and therefore we should have no vote with them neither should there be any vote in the Church except we would withdraw Which not a little grieved our spirits But notwithstanding so foul an aspersion we made little reply but waited to heare what others would say but a general silence continuing we concluded that the major part were of his mind Whereupon we departed and waited patiently for some time to see whether they would send us their thoughts about the Souldiers since they would not let us have a vote with them and least if should be laid aside which Mr. Sympson endeavoured all along to do We did by Messengers remind them several times likewise to know whether those Words then spoken by Mr. Sympson were the sense of the whole which they disown'd as being Mr. Sympsons Words alone but to the other We could get no return to this day as by our next Paper given in to them doth more at large appear Likewise before the delivery of the ensuing Paper having spent some particular time to seek the Lord for direction and counsel and also to enquire into his Will at this time it was judged a duty incumbent upon us to go to our Brother Sympson lay his evil before him in abetting the Souldiers and declining the Testimony of Christ he had suffered for in Windsor Castle as by several Letters from thence being read amongst us did appear some Copies whereof the Reader may peruse in the close of this Book and accordingly six Brethren in the Name of the whole were sent unto him and with all humility to intreat his hearing of what by them we had to say which accordingly they did but how unkindly they were received will appear by the eusuing Narrative being the substance of what then passed between him and them The 11th of the 9th Month 1656. A briefe account of some Passages between our Brother Sympson and the Brethren appointed by us to meet with him about some Letters he wrote to the Congreation during the time of his imprisonment in Windsor Castle it being apprehended he is very much fallen from the truths therein laid down to the great dishonour of the Gospel and the grief of many of the faithful in this day THE six Brethren appointed to this Work met at a Brothers House in Coloman-street the day abovementioned about two in the Afternoon to commend their present Work unto the Lord and desire his blessing upon them therein and then made their repair to our Brother Sympson where after a little waiting for the coming of our Brothers Shrimpton and Marsh who desired as the Brethren were informed to hear what should pass in relation to the Letters This motion was also made by Brother Powell being also present That before any progress be made there might be a word put up to the Lord for a blessing To which end another brother made answer That it would be necessary the naked ground of their coming should be first laid down that we might pray with understanding Which being done the Brethren sent by us declared their readiness to joyne therein Hereupon one of the Brethren proceeded to declare the ground of their coming to this effect That several of our Brother Sympsons Letters from Windsor Castle being presented to several Brethren who met at our Brother Caryes house intentionally upon another account but those Letters intervening we spent our time in perusing them which in the reading did so work upon their hearts that they throught meet to present unto the Brethren Sisters in whose Name they were then come the said Letters and to offer Whether some Brethren should not be chosen in the Name of the rest humbly to lay the matter contained in them before him that if it were the Will of the Lord he might be convinced wherein and how far he had declined the Cause and Interest of our Lord Jesus and be provoked to that old Spirit of Life and Zeal in testifying to so glorious a Cause and accordingly upon reading of them we were of one heart that the Brethren aforementioned in the Name of the whole be desired to lay them before him with as much love tenderness as could be and that we were also reproved in our own spirits as having missed of the Will of the Lord that we had it no more upon our hearts to beg mercy for him at the Throne of Grace that the Lord would restore unto him that primitive spirit for the cause of Christ that many of our hearts were broken on his behalf at the reading of his Letters After an account thus given it was offered that a Word should be spoken to the Lord in prayer before any discourse should be Our Brother Sympson then spake to this effect That having had some knowledge of their coming from some of us and the occasion of their coming from some others before their meeting here he had privately commended the business they were come about unto the Lord as he did suppose they also had done likewise he judged that if any of them should speak unto the Lord in prayer he could not freely joyne with them so neither if he should speak there might be that spoken wherein they could not freely joyn with him which being pre-considered be judged it most convenient to proceed to the work without prayer and thereupon spake further to this purpose That since they profest they had in all plainness declared the ground of their coming he would give them as plain an Answer which that he might the better do he should lay down his Answer under three heads 1. As to themselves and those whom they represented 2. As to the Church meaning those with whom he walked 3. As to the Letters about which our Brethren came As to the first They were to know that he could not have discoursed with them in regard that the Church had dealt with us and not onely declared their dissatisfaction of our withdrawing from them but also that he had in the Name of the Church admonished us of our evil therein that they had waited upon us a great while to the end we might repent and return but we persisting in our sin and refusing to hear the Church we were thereby cut off from the priviledges of the Church and therefore he could not look upon us as Brethren but as heathens and publicans and so to refuse discourse with them upon account of the Brotherhood according to that in Matth 18. Which though they might look upon as very harsh and a manifestation of little love yet it being the Rule of Christ in the Gospel he therefore was not to dispute the reason of it but rather to judge That obedience to the commands of Christ in this as well as in other things is the only rule of love and therefore did declare That the Church having so proceeded against us he could not entertain any debate with
from them trusting that the promise of grace mentioned 2 Cor. 6.17 18. In these words Wherefore come out from amongst them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you and be a Father unto you and you shall be my Sons and Daughters saith the Lord Almighty We desire also for their and our encouragement to leave with them that Scripture Psal 9.4 Hos 11.12 to be theirs and our portion also But till then we do also hereby humbly testifie and declare that as they now stand we cannot have Communion with them as otherwise in the uprightness of our hearts we desire to have and should much rejoyce in were they clear from the evil of this day and withdrawn from amongst those disorderly persons till then we have just ground to believe they are in their degree partakers of their evil according to that Scripture 1 Tim. 5.22 Be not partakers of others mens sins keep thy self pure Now to conclude and end this our Testimony we do in the General and to each one say and humbly declare That we cannot discern the power of the Church rests in you as under those sins you are now guilty of and fallen in with each one in their degree but ⋆ Only Moses Aaron Caleb and Joshua c. Who followed the Lord and had truth on their side and separated from Corah the Princes and famous men of the Congregation were owned by him and had the power with them as also to prevail that the greater part of the Congregation might not wholly be destroyed Num. 14.19 20. compare ch◠16 41. to 50 ca. 262 which notably agrees with Matt. 18.18 19. Whatsoever ye shall binde on earth shall be bound in heaven c. Again if two of you viz. having the truth shall agree on earth as touching any thing they shall ask it shall be done unto them c. And upon this account chiefly it was that they had the power and this presence with them and not so much because the one was the Leader and the other as it were the Pastor of the Congregation for if with the others they would have made a Captain to return to Egpt as also have stoned Caleb and Joshua in all likelyhood they had perished with them yea we finde that because the did contrary to the minde of the Lord at the waters of Meribah they must die by the way and not go into the good land and the power they had deliver'd unto others and onely Joshua and Calch c. who followed the Lord fully have the power and his presence with them Numb 20.12 24 26. Deut. 3.27 compare Chap. 34.4 By which it plainly appears the Lord would have the power to reside with those who follow him and have truth on their side though the lesser number and not with the greater though the Pastor be with them that are declined and so have not the truth with them We also finde Revel 2.7 9 10. Revel 3.4 to 10. That onely the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia and the few names in the Church of Sardis who followed the Lord fully and kept close to truth and had not desiled their garments and such as overcome and keep close to truth to the end are own'd by Jusus Christ and shall inherit the promises but he threatens to remove the Candlestick from the Church of Ephesus and to come upon all those of the Churches of Pergamus Thyatira Sardis though the greater number as a Thief and to fight against them and kill them with death unless they repent and return from the evil among them And the Church of Laodicea the worst of them all are for their Lukewarmness threatned to be wholly spued out of his Mouth Revel 2.5 16 23. Revel 3. 3. Which things are not written as onely belonging to that time but are also a prohesie of what shall be among the Churches a little before or about the time the promises and prophesies relating to the Kingdom of Christ and Zion shall be fusilled See Revel 2.26 27. Revel 3.10 12 21. in your poor unworthy Brethren and Sisters in whose name this comes though the lesser number Which we desire to mention with all Humillty and not in vain-glory knowing that we have no cause to be high minded but fear that such poor shrubs as we should stand when so many tall Cedars fall It being no where recorded in Scripture that the power of the Church rests in the greater number as under that Denomination but in those who according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ do withdraw from every Brother that walks disorderly be they the less or the greater number for where truth is there is the true-Church power according to that in Matt. 16.18 19. in these words Thou art Poter and upon this Rock will I build my Church and I will give unto thee the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven c. Whence we desire to observe that although our Lord Jesus speaks to Peter as a single person yet layes the weight of the Church upon him not as Peter but upon the truth whereof he made so upright a Confession whereby it seems plain unto us That where truth is not onely in the judgement but practice there is the Church with the Keys to wit it's power And this our Brother Sympson hath formerly declared saying That he should judge it his duty to joyn with a little number were they but 30 or 40. in number against 500. being perswaded that the Keys of the Church were truly there where the truth appears not onely in the doctrine but practice And yet we would say That where the greater number oppose the truth more caution is to be used more humility and brokenness of Spirit manifested and much looking up unto the Lord to be guided aright by the seffer number wherein we must acknowledge we have been too remiss desire to be humbled before the Lord for the same in the face of Jesus Christ Thus desiring that this out last Testimony may be received in love and be of that use and weight as to provoke you to a godly jealousie as Pauls Epistle did the Corinthians about the Incestuous Person that we may have cause to rejoyce upon the same account as he had which could we once see we should willingly lie at your feet for truths sake and be more glad thereof then of our daily food till then we desire to mourn and pray for your return Signed in the Name and by the Appointment of the whole John Proud Tho. Cary. Caleb Ingold James Chadwick Humphry Hathorn John Portmans Dated the 1. of the 7. Moneth 1657. THis Paper was committed to the custody of six Brethren chosen from amongst us to present and deliver it according to direction and if it might be obtained that some one of the six might have liberty to read it in the presence of them all but when they came they were denied the
ground of our seperation and with-drawing to this day so as that the name of the Lord is greatly reproached thorough these Misreports concerning us it might therefore hereby appear that the cause why we do so is for such sins as are publikely scandalous and sinful that so whatever becomes of our persons the truth may be vindicated Reas 3. That all who fear the Lord in uprightness of heart may consider and see it 's their duty to with-draw and seperate from all such persons For what saith the Apostle Know you not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump Purge out therefore the old leaven c. And may it not be spoken with grief of heart that the lump or generality of the Churches in this day are much leavened with a luke-warm sensual selfish spirit seeking the honor and favor of men for their own advantage rather then setting the Lord before them and approving their hearts to him and indeavouring after the advancement of his glory in the world which comes to pass in a great measure for want of doing their duty to such persons in this particular Reas 4. That if it should please the Lord to call any or all of us further to suffer herein or upon such like account it may appear we suffer for his Name sake and not as evil doers the mouthes of many professors having been already opened in this respect though wee could wish it hath not rather been to palliate and cover over their own Apostacy Reas 5. Because thus saith the Scripture Them that sin to wit in the sight of all men as these have done and that against the light of Nature and Grace rebuke before all that others also may see and fear and do no more so wiâ—kedly for as Jannes and Jambres Korah Dathan and Abiram with their company withstood Moses in the work of GOD in their day so these likewise do resist his cause and truth in our day proceeding from iniquity to iniquity Reas 6. That so such as are unknown to us and have been already engaged in this work of seperation may bee incouraged and not discouraged and may know that whatsoever their afflictions and trialls are thereupon the same are also accomplished in others of their Brethren upon the same account that so from a spirit of love to truth we may be strengthning one anothers hands in so blessed and honorable a work Rea. 7. If Pilate was so sensible of the innocency of Jesus Christ that he could do no less but in the presence of the Court and the whole multitude take water and wash his hands saying these words the better to clear himself from being guilty of his blood I am free from the blood of this just man look ye to it Doth it not much more concern us in such a day as this when our Lord in his members and cause contended for in the late warrs is again crucified afresh put to open shame to take this water of our publike testimony in the presence both of Saints and Sinners and testifie our dislike of and seperation from so great iniquity as also the persons guilty thereof And if our Lord Jesus could charge upon the Jewes all the righteous blood shed from Abel to that day and Peter Act. 3.13 and so Stephen Act. 7.51 52. likewise charge them for retaining their forefathers wicked spirit though they pretended otherwise manifested in denying betraying delivering up and killing of Christ and the Saints who were witnesses to the truth in that day May not wee justly fear that if we should be silent in this day the guilt of their blood which was shed in the late wars as also of the sufferings of the Saints formerly and yet imprisoned for their faithfulness to the despised cause and interest of Christ who did and do offer themselves so willingly may be found upon us when the Lord makes inquisition for the same and we come to be partakers of that judgement which we are perswaded will lye heavie upon all that shall be found guilty more or less Reas 8. Because of the so plain discovery through a generall silence of a Laodicean or luke-warm spirit for Christ in this day which the Lord loaths and threatens to spue out of his mouth But on the contrary commends the Churches of Ephesus and Smyrna c. for their zeal and faithfulness in discovering of and not bearing with sin nor sinners yea the Lord delights in such who offer themselves willingly And the Inhabitants of Meroz are cursed with a bitter curse not because they appeared against Gods cause and people but for standing Neuters and not coming forth when an opportunity was offered to his help against the mighty So in Psal 94.16 there seems to be another plain word of instruction in this case where the Prophet by way of Proclamation hath these vvords Who will rise up for me against the evil doers Who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity He doth not say as some say novv Sit still and let God alone for he will finde out wayes and means to do his work in his appointed time himself for he hath power at command why do you trouble your selves more then a great many wiser men No So the Lord seems to speak in this day as once Iohn said Who is on my side who And although such poor creatures as vve are can adde nothing to him yet he loves to see us shevv our good affection and to do vvhat vve are able and he hath so appointed that the foot yea the feet of the poor and the steps viz the indeavours of the needy shall tread down the lofty City And the least of the Flock shall draw them out c. And it may not be forgotten how that the Parliament in the time of the late war as they took notice of Neuters by way of dislike on the one hand so they did very kindly resent the constant good affections of others on the other hand Reas 9. When sin comes to be National First in respect of the sin it self Secondly in respect of the persons committing it being in a National or publike capacity Thirdly And contrary to professed and declared light as the sin of this day is and persisting therein after many admonitions so as that we may truly say of the transgressors of this day as the Spirit of the Lord by Isaiah said of Israel of old Wo to the rebellious children saith the Lord that take counsel but not of me that cover with a covering but not of my spirit that they may add sin to sin that walk to go down to Aegypt and have not asked at my mouth to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharoah and to trust in the shadow of Aegypt c. Now as in verse the eight the Prophet is commanded to go write is before them in a Table and note it in a Book that it may be for
10 v 18 layes opâ—n the arbitrary power and oppression of a king or monarchy so that he is onely divers in name through the old thred-bare pretence of giving liberty to the lords people which is no other then to go peaceaby to their several meetings and home again if they let him alone and not reprove his tyranny and usurpation but to all who speak against it and comply not with him therein he is both in look and in deed more stout then his fellows as by his former and late actions to some doth plainly appear Image of the Beast now set up could not stand and though our Brother Kelzey was pleased to say That he or they were Traytors who spoke or rose up against him who had now the power of the Nation though usurpedly in his hand thereby endevouring to fasten than upon us which he himself with the rest are guilty of yea we think it is plain to every one that will not shut their eyes against the light that it can be no treason to speak against a person who hath no Law for his standing or practise i The Army in Remonstrance at Albons Novem. 16 1648 and in the Abridgement thereof See looking-Glass â—… 7 28 30 to justifie their pressing for justice against the king in opposition to the Parliament about the personal Treaty do say That where a person trusted with a limited power to rule according to law shall not onely pervert that Trust but assume hurtful powers never committed to him and swallow up all foundations of right and liberties into his absolute wil and power to imposs takâ— away and destroy at his pleasure c. and shall by force uphold himself in that tyrannical power is guilty of the highest treason against the highest law amongst men and forfeits all that trust and power he had and sets the people free to take their best advantage to bring him to justice c. And in answer to that common objection from Rom. 13.1 Let every soul be subject to the higher powers c. urged by malignants in that day as by members of Churches and others now they say Paul speaks of magistracy in its constitution not of a person abusively exercising it to be Gods instrument for good to every one an encourager of good in every man and an enemie to evil therefore the kings of the Israelites must know the law for a rule for this they quote Deut. 17.2 kings ii 12.2 Sam. 23. wherein we apprehend they speak the will and mind of God Now if a lawful power acting thus or king Charls between whom and the people was some kind of compact and agreement could not nor was not then reputed to be Gods Ordinance and might not onely be spoken against but brought to justice then surely O. Cromwel who forceth his power upon us committing the same and greater wickednesse is much lesse Gods Ordinance and may not onely be spoken against but brought under the same and greater condemnation And for our brethren the Souldiers to be abetting and supporting such abominations having formerly declared and engaged against them may and ought to be reproved and in case they persist therein to be withdrawn from yea to disown all Church relation with them but like a brute beast hath broken all the bounds limits of Law or Reason to accomplish his lustful Will therefore where there is no Law there is no transgression And what Law of the Nation do we transgress yea Is there not a good Law of the Land that doth justifie us in making it Treason for the person now in Power to act singly in the Government and our Brethren who abet him that he may not be brought to publike Justice are likewise transgressors of that Law yea the Instrument of Government shall be Judg he having therein sworn to maintain all the the laws of this land of which that Act is one yet in force so that we humbly think they do directly come under the reproof of that Scripture 2 Tim. 3.4 in these Words Traytors heady high minded having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof from such turn away which is the more considerable if compared with the first verse of that chapter where the Apostle among other sins reckons that to be one of the dangerous sinnes of the last times and that likewise in the sixth of Luke verse 16. where our Lord Jesus speaking concerning Judas calls him Traytor foretelling what he would do to him and whether the cause of Christ be not betrayed k Iudas professing love to the person of Christ as a friend Disciple afterwards falling in with the Power in being betraying him into their hands for 30. pieces of silver was called a Traytor So the army having declared for the advancement of his Kingdom Interest in opposition to Antichrist Monarchy and Tyranny and after all for the riches and preserments of this world to deliver up this blessed cause and the people who are kept faithful to it to be persecuted and imprisoned by their General who to keep power in his hand is acting upon that foundation and doth those very and worse things for which the former Tyrant and Monarchy were destroyed in the mean while like Iudas when he kist Christ pretending faithfulness thereunto they may more truly be called Traytors then he having herein acted not onely the part of treacherous Iudas but been more vile then the wicked Magistrates by this generation for whom our Brethren do so-stifly contend we leave unto the Lord and you to judge yea with grief of heart we may speak it to be truth Secondly which is the sadnesse of it our Brethren cannot free themselves from being guilty of the breach of that Engagement l See the Ingagement in page 46 of the forementioned Book which was sent to the Officers and Souldiers to sign to take off the reproach cast upon them That they cut off the King to set up one of theire own we look not upon their transgression so much to consist in being against a Common-wealth otherwise then as it was opposed to Monarchy which was is and in the hand of any single person but Christ will be tyrannical and antichristian And if self-interest Oppression and arbitrary power were not more establisht now then before we should be the more silent being to eye the end of an Engagement and the form onely as it answers the end but we may truly say there is a breach of the form with the power and end also as is plain to every eye not by ast with gifts and preferments which Deut. 16 19 doth blinde the eyes of the wise c. given by the Parliament to all that served them To be true and faithfull to the Government as it was then established without a King and House of Lords Besides the Declaration of the Army m See this Declaration in the same book page 3 as also Deol Iuly 19. 1650. pag. 46 47 say they A
them in prison this is no other then the invention of the Pope and his Brethren the Magistrates of Antichrist to support their interest and power over the people and not the mind of Jesus Christ whose appointment is That although his Ministers who administer their spiritual things to others should if they are poor live of the Gospel and reap of their carnal things 1 Cor. 9 10 14. com with Gal. 6.6 yet he hath no where appointed that any should be compelled to hear or maintain them much less presecuted of imprisoned for refusing either but the contrary see Matth. 10.8 11 13 14 com with Luke 10.5 to 10. The Lord in Mich 3 5 doth threaten those priests and prophets that teach for hire and divine for money and prepare warre against him that putteth not into their mouths com with Isa 56.11 All which with much more that might be spoken to this purpose being considered we wonder how such who have so highly declared for Christ against antichrist dare be supporting of such abominations he that runs may read the daylie Oppression of this kind except there be a bowing down to the Golden Image of the national Clergy with her head are forced from many to the oppression of some and the undoing of others and so they oppress a man and his house a man and his Heritage Now it is not so much our selves are likely to suffer if we should willingly walk after the Commandment but the glory of him who hath called us out of darkness into his marvelous light will be so much blemished as is beyond expression And indeed this is much to be lamented that there are so few to bear up their testimony for the Lord against the Evil-doers at this day Likewise our posterities if the Lord should not mercifully ease us of our Oppressors would feel the weight of so great bondage as to be at the will and mercy of one man to dispose of their persons and Estates and this backed with an Army of thirty thousand men and what is likely to be the consequence if the Lord should continue us under this bondage we think that eighth chap. of the first of Samuel from verse 9. to verse 19. to gether with Amos 5.10 11 12. will plainly make out the sadness of our condition and the dislike of such who shall quietly acquiess in and approve of those oppressions and the sad condition also of such who shall be active for such Oppressors and Oppressions Moreover we desire to ask our Brethren who wear the Sword these two questions First Whether they do not receive the unrighteous Wages of Warre in a time of peace Secondly Whether the Wages so received be not to enslave us p A Testimony for this in the former and present imprisonment of many of the servants of Christ for testifying against the abominations of this day to wit Mr. Carew Major General Harrison Mr. Feake Mr. Rogers Mr. Courtny Coll. Rich Sir Henry Vane Major General Overton Vice Admiral Lawson M. Cann Cornet Day and several others some whereof remain in prison to this day and the Soldiers the chief instruments in this oppression yea their General lately to take off the odium that such a wicked act would bring upon him Commissionates the Mayor and Sheriffs of the City who employ the baser sort of man Act. 17.15 that like themselves will do any drudgery is put upon them to come to the meeting in Coleman street to interrupt and hale the Lords faithful people to prison for nothing but pleading for and pressing after those good things which himself and the army have been greatly instrumental to lead them into for declaring against their back-sliding from them therefore what man or woman that hath any love to Christ his Cause and People can pay Taxes to maintain such Oppression and Persecution or hold communion with any of them in the Ordinances of Christ in our consciences as wel as in our persons For whatever the Government saith We shall have liberty of conscience it is only to such who can quietly acquiess in their unjust and Antichristian proceedings Fourthly Persecusion of Saints q Besides what is already mentioned concerning the Soldiers being instrumental to imprison the faithful in this day and what is hinted in this place there are some things more particularly charged upon Coll. Kelzey Major Strange Capt. Harrison c. immediately following the sixth head adding hereunto besides the Scriptures in the margent Obad. v. 10 11 12. where Esau is charged for his violence and persecution against his brother Iacob and for standing on the other side when his Enemies dealt hardly with him Then surely they are guilty who uphold the present persecution and say It is possible our Brethren suffer for evil-doing Let also Acts 7.58 comp with chap. 22.20 be considered where Paul after conversion acknowledgeth himself a persecutor before conversion for standing by and keeping the Rayment of them which stoned Stephen thereby consenting to his death And are not the Souldiers who are members of Churches and professed brethren much more guilty who can imprison their brethren themselves and be their Jaylors too Yea some of them to get the applause and favour of man lye in wait to catch the Lords people who visit their Brethren in prison and when they have caught them like Soul Acts 9.2 go to the head persecutor to obtain an Order to keep them there as Mr. Feake was dealt withall at the Tower not long since yea Coll. Eaxter one of the new Lords many times keeping not only the acquaintance but Wives and Relations of the Lords people in his custody from visiting of them which Heathens would abhor to do see Acts 24.23 and yet the plausible pretences these men make are with their Pastors c. and some other professors blinded as themselves like the whore Prov. 30.20 wiping her mouth as if they had done no evil Wherefore we may justly take up the lamentation of the Prophet Psal 55.10 11 12 13 14. which we desire the Reader to peruse particularly for plain it is many of our Brethren and others suffer imprisonment for bearing testimony against the present Iniquity having no evil to lay to their charge and in this that which we would mourn before the Lord for is That some of our Brethren do not stick to say That it is possible they suffer for evil-doing Which word It is possible is no less to us then an indirect justifying the persecutors in their imprisoning of them thereby adding affliction to their bonds wherein we think that Scripture doth truly reach them Prov. 17.15 He that justifieth the wicked and condemneth the just even they both are abomination to the Lord. And in this the Souldiers are altogether instrumental having neither the Law of God or man to justifie their practice by civil Officers And we are sure that good Moses though he might have been owned and honored as Son to Pharoahs Daughter could not in
and accordingly delivered in our Paper which was read by the Brother aforementioned though it was so late before he began that there was hardly time to read it thorough by day-light much less to debate it and open the Scriptures therein however before we departed they made us a promise that We should have full liberty another time to read it our selves deliberately and debate it with the Scriptures laid down for proof of what was there asserted We also promised them to come whensoever they should desire it And so We departed for that time continuing with one accord together in prayer and supplication expecting to hear from them according to promise but contrary hereunto in some Weeks after they sent for several Pastors and Members out of other Congregations without our consent to receive their Advice how to deal with us Their Names are as followeth Mr. Cockayn Mr. Jackson Mr. Roberts Mr. Jessey Mr. Hubbard Mr. Isles Mr. Knowles Mr. Highland Mr. Bradshaw Mr. Jacksen Chir. Mr Woolaston Mr. Barebone Mr. Taylor Having knowledge of this Meeting thorough the report of others We did appoint a time to seek the Lord to consider what might be our duty how far we should appear therein or whether we should appear or not and at last came to this issue That we should appoint several Brethren in the Name of the whole to go unto those Brethren above mentioned when they should meet with the other part of the Congregation and acquaint them with the Grounds and Reasons why we could not own them in the Work they were come about The Reasons are these 1 1. They meaning those from whom we were withdrawn had not performed their promise to us having declared when We were last vvith them That the Paper presented should be debated in the Church according to the Scriptures there inserted Which hath not yet been done though We promised to be with them whensoever they would send for us about it 2 2. We see no rule in Scripture that any Brethren from any Churches or others should be sent for to debate our Paper before it had been debated in the Church amongst us and the Scriptures in the Margent opened 3 3. We conceive it had been meet according to Scripture that We the Brethren and Sisters differing from them should have had cognizance and approbation of the persons so nominated to debate the matter in difference 4 4. Whether they have taken the consent of the h We would not be understood by these two Queries as if we did judge that in extraordinary cales particular Brethren out of Churches might not be sent for without the consent of their respective congregations to determine a Church-difference there being onely one occasional practice by the Church at Antioch to Jerusalem Act. 15 2. But that which we chiefly aim at as by the third and the close of the fifth Query will appear was their sending without our consent in the Name of the church when we our selves were a part likewise there was several persons there against whom we had just exceptions if it had then been meet to speak of it Moreover their case was ordinary not difficult to them for that most of the churches in the city more or less seem to us guilty of the same transgression and therefore we apprehend that such a practice was more binding to them then to us as our case at this time stands otherwise we desire to keepe strictly to every primitive practice that hath any such instructions for us Churches for the choice of those Brethren they have sent for If not What Scripture Rule they have to do so 5 5. Whether such a practise doth not savour of an arbitrary spirit amongst men much more among the Churches of Christ in calling several Brethren without the consent of the Churches to whom they belong which We cannot own lest we should betray the cause of Christ for which we contend into the hands of a few which will be a bad president for other Churches for the time to come The said Queries being laid before the Brethren aforementioned did so prevail with them as they not onely judged it unmeet but did wholly refuse to meddle with the matter in difference as the case then stood declaring It was but reasonable We should have a free debate of our Paper in the Congregation according to promise before any other means be used and so they departed for that time Within a short time after this a day and time was agreed upon between us and the other part of the Congregation from whom we were withdrawn to seek the Lord together and then to proceed to the debate of our Paper though that vvhich provoked them hereunto as We conceive was from the refusal of those Brethren they sent for to meddle therein as the case stood rather then their ovvn voluntary act But the day appointed being come the fore-part of it vvas spent in prayer opening our hearts before the Lord and each other hereby hoping such a spirit might be sound both in them and us as the debate would have been to the glory of God and the discovery of truth on either side but instead thereof so many grating expressions both in prayer and speaking vvere uttered by Mr. Sympson against us as vvas to the grief of most of us and the indisposing of some in a great measure unto the Work We were met about However about two in the Afternoon we proceeded to the debate of our Paper with some reasonable liberty though commonly interrupted by Mr. Sympson who when any thing came close upon the Souldiers would frequently be speaking in excusing of them and condemning us In the close of the day having got through our Paper We desired to have the result of the Congregation Whether by what was laid before them they did not judge the Souldiers to be guilty of those sins laid to their charge by us Whereupon Mr. Sympson stood up and spake in Words to this effect That he looked upon us as such who had made a rent in the Church and that there was a mark set upon us by the Holy Spirit being such as had made i We desire that Scripture Rom. 16.17 18. may be considered where those words spoken by Mr. Sympson are laid down and it will appear the Apostle was speaking of such persons as we are now separated from to wit such as serve not the Lord Jesus but their own bellies May we not truly say That worldy interest and self-advantage hath been the ground and root of this apostacy wherein the Souldiers are chief and to palliate so great wickedness are not good words and fair speeches the cover by which they deceive the hearts of the simple and give us leave humbly to ask what belly-advantage have we thereby Do we not rather hazard all that is near and dear unto us yea we are become the reproach of most professors having much evil laid to our charge through we trust
them about those Letters Which brought in the third Head to which he spake to this effect That the Letters about which they came were directed to the Church meaning those with whom he walked and if he had written any thing therein contrary to sound dectrine or otherwise he must appeal unto the Church as Paul did from Agrippa to Caesar and if the Church thought meet upon perusal to call him to an account for any thing therein he should be ready to answer it before them but he could not give way to the debating of them by our Brethren for the reasons aforementioned besides he could not in this case bring himself under the judgement of his adversaries or Words to that purpose and thereby also give away the priviledges of the Church into the hands of such whom according to the Rule of the Gospel be must look upon as Heathens and Publicans but if they or any other would come in their own k Mr. Sympson did not mean by coming in our own Name to receive us as Brethren but as Heathens and Publicans Name he should be ready to discourse with them yet herein it was to be weighed whether the Church would give away so much of their priviledge as that any Letters directed to them should be questioned by any person without their consent at least After this our Brother Cary one of the six said It was somewhat strange to him that he could so considently assert an untruth to wit That we should lye under the Admonition of the Church when there was never any Admonition from those Brethren and Sisters from whom we were withdrawn much less from the Church Which the said Brother further made out thus That himself with some other Brethren were appointed in the Name of the Whole to go to the other part of the Congregation from whom We were withdrawn who went to Allhallows and met with a considerable number of those Brethren in the Vestrey to know of them Whether those Words spoken by Mr. Sympson that day our Paper was debated to wit That the Holy Spirit had set a mark upon us for such as had made division were the sense of the whole with them To which they answered It was not theirs and Mr. Sympson also said They were his own words After this our Brother Cary was silent and then our Brothers Marsh Shrimpton and Powell being present as aforsaid said They never remembred any such Admonition Mr. Sympson said It was so which he endeavoured to make out thus That the Brethren who were entrusted with the Government of the Church did agree that we should be admonished as having sinned in leaving the Congregation and turning out backs upon the Ordinances of Christ and that they had committed it to him to declare the same which he did at that time when brought in our paper containing the grounds of our withdrawing through at that time we were not admitted to read them the Church not disowning of it he looked upon it as an admonition of the Church After this other of our Brethren spake in few Words to this purpose That they were come as brethren and they hoped in much love and singleness of heart to discourse with him and to have laid down wherein we judged he had missed of the Will of God and declined the Cause of our Lord Christ comparing the present frame of heart he is in with what it was when he lay a prisoner in Windsor Castle when they could not but look upon him as having an excellent spirit for Christ but since he did refuse they would turn unto the Lord who would hear and mourn for him And so those Brethren departed returning the said account unto us Being thus unkindly yea may We not say unchristianly entertained by Mr. Sympson We still continued vvaiting upon the Lord in our estate of vvithdrawing our spirits being grieved by this carriage of his And after some time seeking the Lord and enquiring into his mind and Will We came to this conclusion as a present duty lying before us That in regard We did find no repentance in the Souldiers but rather hardness of heart as also Mr. Sympson hardened in his evil in excusing and abetting of them vvhich encouraged others to do the like and the rest vvho vvere some vvhat sensible of the evil amongst them much darkned in their understandings by reason thereof We should unanimously go unto them and lay before the Souldiers their ovvn evil and the evil of the rest as abetting of them in their degree and to admonish them in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ vvith as much brotherly love as the Lord should help us And that We might have the greater avve of the Lord upon our souls and be more orderly in this Work vve did agree to send unto the Brethren hereafter mentioned to intreat them in brotherly love and for the glory of God to accompany us as Witnesses therein vvhich was accordingly done and persons chosen from amongst us to speak unto them The Names of the brethren sent unto are these Mr. Cann Mr. Clark Col. Danvers Mr. Bland Mr. Barbone Mr. Waters Mr. Squibb Mr. Luxford Mr. Barret Mr. Ireten Having given notice to the other part of the Congregation the VVeek before our coming That vve intended upon the next first day after to come offer something to them All these brethren except Mr. Barbone who vvas not vvell being members of other Congregations and Societies came according to our request and accompanyed us to Lodon house upon the said first day of the VVeek in the Afternoon vvhere being come the said brethren vvere not vvillingly admitted but after our coming in vvith them one of our brethren stood up to acquaint them with the occasion of our coming at this time but Mr. Sympson and two or three more speaking together very confusedly cryed out No no we should not speake except those Brethren that came along with us would depart To which answer was made That we desired their company to testifie to the Truth of vvhat we had to say And then the brother vvhich spake first would have gone on but several of them cryed out together very confusedly as before to which vve replyed That having sought the Lord therein before our coming we could not give way thereunto but since they did refuse to hear vve vvould depart And in a short time after vve sent them the substance in VVriting of vvhat was then intended to be spoken A Copy whereof is as follows Dear Brethren and Sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ SInce your unkindness towards us the last l We mean that time wherein we intended to deliver this Admonicion by word of mouth and had testified thereunto according to the Rule of the Gospel Math. 18 16 17. time we vvere with you after some seeking unto the Lord vvhat might be our duty yet further this is gathered to be his mind and vvill That the substance of what was then
upon our hearts to have delivered by word of mouth should be done in vvriting as vvell for your sakes as in discharge of our own duty according to the Rule of the Gospel and therefore vve intreat that you will suffer us hereby to plead a little vvith you for truths sake and vve hope it is unfeignedly upon our hearts to lay your great sin before you from some sense of the great dishonour brought unto the Name of the Lord by you and let these lines be patiently read through before you judge you poor unvvorthy brethren and sisters for we can truly say that we disire to mourn and groan in secret for you as well as for our own vveaknesses and this is some part of our joy That in simplicity and godly sincerity many of us have been by the space of two years and upwards endeavouring to get your feet as well as our own out of the Snare of the apostacy of this day having compassion of you as of our own souls for we are in some measure perswaded that some eminent hand of the Lord wil be manifested in due time to distinguish between those that serve him faithfully and those that serve him not In the first place therefore we pray you to consider the six great and scandalous sins laid to the charâ—g of the brethren amongst you wearing the Sword which for brevity sake we shall here onely mention referring you to our paper already given in for a more particular knowledge thereof wherein We desire the Scriptures in the margent may be diligently perused and some remembrance had of vvhat the Lord did inable us to speak from them when our Paper vvas debated in the Church although it is very vvell knovvn so much liberty vvas hardly obtained First Treason against Christ as King and Prophet of his people and King of Nations also for the latter part of the late VVar did run in that Channel Likewise against the faithful and vvell-affected in this Nation whose Liberties and they are made bond-slaves to their brethren though some blood was spilt and treasure spent to obtain it our of the hands of the late Tyrant Secondly Convenant-breaking and false swearing having engaged before the Lord and his People to perform the good promised on the behalf of Christ his People and the Nation vvhich are novv broken in the face of the Sun Thirdly Oppression by Tythes Taxes c. upon the bodyes and consciences of the Lords People and the well-affected the Nation at this day Fourthly Persecution of Saints many of the Lords people having been and some are still imprisoned for their testimony on the behalf of the Lord his Cause and the Nations liberty and therein the Souldiers are altogether active there being no rule not so much as according to the Law of the Land to justifie their practice by Civil Officers Fifthly Maintaining Antichristian Laws Statutes and Customs contrary to former Engagements and Declarations by vvhich the Saints of old have suffered and some do now suffer at this very day Sixthly Hereby the hearts of the righteous are greatly grieved for that brethren at least professing themselves so to be should be active in abetting and supporting so great vvikedness That these sins were plainly proved against our brethren wearing the Svvord novv amongst you is very manifest not onely in general but also in a great measure particularly and therfore shall leave it unto the Lord vvho judgeth righteously Yet vve do hereby humbly admonish them of their evil as being very great and scandalous After this there is laid down several Queries how vve vvere in duty bound to withdraw from them and by the same Rule to admonish and withdraw from your selves as being partakers with them having made your selves m Guilty for they are hereby encouraged to keep their places whereby the Man in Power is encouraged to go on in his apostacy and to judge himself in pretence at least to be in a good condition for when he hath been told That he had not the love of good people as formerly and that many were grieved at his present actions he replyed They were but a few inconsiderable people who were dissatisfied for the greatest part of honest men in the Army and Churches were for him and approved of what he had done which approhensions are begotten by members of Churches and other professors holding places under him for whilest they do so their tongues are tyed that they dare not openly speak their minds though they really apprehend yea and will to some confess That the present state of things are out of course and are not so honest as in the day of their straits they declared they should be Wherefore doth is not concern the Churches to take heed how they encourage those by continuing them among them who abet and uphold the present apostacy lest they become guilty thereof themselves and incur the Lords displeasure for so doing guilty of their iniquity by your vote of communion with them And this vve do in obedience to our Lord Jesus Christ who hath commanded us to withdraw from every brother that walks disorderly though herein we would distinguish between such of our Brethren Sisters as do plead for encourage and support them in their evil and others who for want of a true knowledge understanding thereof together with the overawing of some amongst you as we fear are notwithstanding in their degree also become partakers with them in their evil And here desire so far to digress as to answer one objection namely That our brethren the Souldiers desired leave to go off from us before we procceded so far as now we have but we would not To which vve answer That it is to be considered their sins are very scandalous and if so such a practice would be contrary to the Rule directing in such cases That if a brother or brethren offend to admonish them particularly then more publikely as he or they are found to persevere in their sin that if the Lord will they may see their evil and repent and not suffer them to go off without knowledge of their evil for if they should it may prove to the hardening of their hearts and consequently to the ruine of their souls Indeed to have let them gone off would have been much more easie to us and pleasing to the flesh for we did in some measure foresee how hard it would be in this rough path to follow the Lord fully yet we take comfort in this That our Cause is of God and our hearts we trust in the main upright therein Now we shall proceed to give you a short account how the Lord hath led us since our said withdrawing wherin it will be manifest if the Lord give you a spirit of discerning that we have to this day been patiently waiting upon the Lord and you to the end that if it had pleased our heavenly Father it might have put you upon inquiry how far you are become
have directly justified them therein And that their evil who approve of and uphold the present Apostasy may more plainly appear see the following Scriptures Numb 27.3 to 7. The Daughter of Zelophead to cleare their title to a portion of Land they claimed in right of their deceased father in the Land of Canaan pleaded That he dyed in the wildernesse in his own sin and was not in the company of Korah and those with him who gathered themselves together against the Lord implying that if he had been among them and standing on their side when they opposed Moses and Aaron c. who were going to possesse the Land of Canaan a type of the work of our day was greater then any other of his sins and that which would have cut him and them off from such a portion of Land as was allotted to those who followed the Lord to his foot in the work of that day And is not the Souldiers Sin the same revoting communion with them so that your practice is no less to us then adding sin to sin And particularly our brother Kelzey who confessed more as having a hand in the Government at its first rise then We could prove though at first he denyed it Likewise That he had summoned some persons to shew cause why they would not pay tythes from whence did follow further trouble to those persons by his Deputy so far as they were taken into custody til they had made their composition We ought now according to Rule to take with us several brethren full of Grace and godliness faithful to the Lord and his Cause in this day and spotless in their lives and conversations vvho might go along with us as Witnesses in our further Testimony against so great evil that out of the mouth of two or three Witnesses every word may be established and accordingly We did present our selves with the said brethren intending to have laid the evil before you and thereof in brotherly love to have admonished you as We now do by these lines in VVriting because you would not vouchsafe us to do it otherwise Likewise to this further end That none of our brethren and sisters may plead ignorance of the end of our coming at that time having ground to fear that many are whose conditions We desire to tender as our own souls were We in their estate But it may be objected That we might have had liberty to have spoken what was upon our hearts when we were last with you had those friends which came with us departed according to your desire To which We answer That our coming there at that time was in obedience to a command of our Lord Jesus Christ to wit That when a Brother or Brethren will not hear so as to return from his or their evil being privately admonished We are then to take other Brethren with us as VVitnesses to vvhat we should say so that had we given way to such a motion we must have made void that Ordinance of Christ moreover we our selves had been with you several times by our selves as is already mentioned besides the sins laid before you are publike and not private sins and therefore needed not so much secresie Thus desiring you will receive this Admonition in love being done we hope for Christs sake and in tender regard to your souls VVe subscribe our selves Your poor unworthy brethren and Sisters who do apprehend that as truth is with us so the power of the Church rests in us John Proud Tho. Cary Caleb Ingold James Chadwick Signed in the Name and by the appointment of the whole none contradicting Dated the fourth of the 11. Moneth 1656. AFter the delivery of the said Admonition in writing we continued waiting upon the Lord to see what good would be wrought up on their hearts thereby but instead thereof in some short time after they send unto the several Churches in the City without our knowledge or consent as they did when we sent in our first Paper to the end they might send chosen men from amongst them to hear and determine the matter in difference between us which we did a little wonder at hoping rather the sense of their evil laid before them might have provoked them to a godly jealousie but so it was that the Pastors and Elders with chief men amongst the Brethren in the Churches were sent according to their request the 26 of the 11th Month 1656. But before we give an account of what passed that day we shall crave leave to hint thus much That after our knowledge of their intention to send to the Churches as aforesaid and before the day of their coming abovesaid not knowing under what tryal we might come thereby we set our selves to seek the Lord by fasting and prayer to know what might be our duty therein and as the result of our waiting upon him came to this conclusion That it would be most for the glory of God to choose out several brethren from amongst us to give in our Reasons unto the Pastors and Elders of the Churches when they were met with the other part of the Congregation why we could not admit they should hear the matter in difference between us And accordingly five Reasons were draw up and committed to fix brethren to deliver in writing or by word of mouth as they should see cause The Reasons should be here inserted but because they will be most proper for perusal when given in to the Pastors and Elders at their meeting we shall refer the Reader thereunto pag 38. and so proceed to give an account of that dayes meeting When the Pastors and Elders c. of the Churches were met the six brethren chosen by us according to appointment were there present when they came first into London-House the place of their meeting they found Mr. Sympson in prayer and after he had ended prayer he proceeded to give a Narrative of what had passed between us and them to that day but with how much partiallity in many things and in some things direct p Mr. Sympson asserted these three things in his Narrative first That he admonished us in the Name of the Congregation Secondly That we had nothing against our Brethren the souldiers but meerly their places in the Army Thirdly That we went from House to House to get away numbers from them How far the two first are untrue we think the Reader by what hath been already laid down may be able to judge For the third we can clearly acquit our selves having been so far from any such practice that those of us whose wives are members of the Congregation have not been provoked by us but have wholly left them to be guided by the Lord therein untruths the brethren then present by our appointment can testifie After he had ended his Narrative Mr. Nye chief speaker of the Pastors and Elders c. stood up and spake to this purpose to Mr. Sympson That he had given in a large
Narrative of the matter in difference which containing many things would require some time to be searching into but before any entrance be made thereupon he desired to know whether any of the other part gone off from them were there if they were he did desire to hear somthing from them in this case did hope that the Pastors Elders there present would be very careful how they did intermiddle therewith for if what he had heard herein were true it was a marvellous good separation upon good grounds or to this effect After this a Brother of ours stood up and spake to this purpose That after solemn waiting upon the Lord several Brethren in the Name of the Whole withdrawn from that part of the Congregation were there present being chosen to present unto them in love and humility the Reasons why We could not admit of their hearing the matter in difference between us but before that they desired the liberty of three Questions if it might be granted and then the Brother which spake kept silence to hear their Answer Upon which Mr. Nye stood up again and said It was but reasonable that we should have our liberty Hereupon the Brother which began stood up and proceeded with the following questions two to the Brethren and Sisters from whom We were withdrawn and one to the Pastors and Elders c. Quest 1. Whether they did look upon us as part of the Congregation To which Mr. Sympson made answer That sure we were for he knew not when we were dealt with to the best of his remembrance Q. 2. We humbly propose to the Pastors Elders and Brethren of the Churches now present Whether they were all of them sent and chosen by their respective Congregations Here there was a great silence but afterwards several of them spake some saying That they were chosen by their respective Congregations others That they were sent unto as particular persons Whereby it was plain there was a disorder in their choice which was in love acknowledged by them Q. 3. Whether the Pastors Elders and Brethren of the respective Congregations then present were invited and sent unto in the name of the whole Church Here several of them were at a stand not knowning well what to say but they generally gave in at the last That they were sent unto in the Name of the Church Which was not so for that themselves in answer to our first question acknowledge us to be a part and what was done in sending for them was without our knowledge or consent After this one of our Brethren stood up and desired liberty to give their Reasons in our Name Why they could not condiscend to the hearing the matter in difference by the Pastors Elders and Brethren of several Congregations then present Which are as follows 1. We conceive it to be contrary to the practice of the Churches of Christ in the New-Testament that brethren of other Churches though chosen by consent of their respective Congregations should hear a Church-controversie without the consent of both parties amongst whom the difference is see Act. 15.1 2 3. the whole Church at Antioch sent to Jerusalem about Circumcision as well those that were against it as those that were for it Upon this Mr. Nye stood up and did acknowledge that there was a plain disorder and miscarriage in their choice every way but desired to know whether notwithstanding such miscarriages the Brethren in our Name had power to enter upon the debate To which one of the brethren spake to this purpose ' That they had several Reasons more to urge and then they should make further answer And liberty being granted the brother who began proceeded to the next reason viz. 2. That it seems contrary to Morality much more of Christianity for members of other Churches to enter into the debate of a Church-difference when that part of the Congregation with whom the difference was did not choose any of them neither had they knowledge of the matter till the other part resolved upon it and had sent their messengers to invite them thereunto To this Mr. Nye stood up and said That it was indeed contrary to the principles of Morality and then was silent whereupon the brother proceeded to the third Reason 3. That We should betray the cause our Lord Jesus Christ to give it up unto the Judgement of the Pastors Elders and Brethren then present First In regard they came not with our consent Secondly For that against some of whom We might have just grounds of exceptions if it were meet to speak of it at this time 4. It seems to us preposterous to enter upon such a Work till We had the result of the whole Congregation about the matter in question or of that part at least from whom We are withdrawn which We have not had though We often intreated and sent to them about it 5. The foregoing Reasons being true we humbly conceive that if a debate of the matter in difference should at this time be admitted we should walk out of Gods way and so not obtain the promised blessing in matters of that nature These Reasons were no sooner given in but the Pastors Elders and Brethren of the several Churches there met together rose up suddenly to goe away which Mr. Sympson observing he asked them before they were gone Whether they would give them no advice in the present business To which Mr. Nye made answer That they were not in a capacity as things stood to give any advice To which Mr. Sympson said What no advice VVhereupon Mr. Nye replyed That the least they could do was to make a tender unto us whether we would joyn with them in sending to the Churches and this was all the advice they could give and so they departed and presently after those brethren sent by us came away also but as they were going one of the other part that sate in the speaking-place asked the brethren sent by us whether they would embrace the advice given To which answer was made That they were no more then six brethren intrusted by us to give in our dislike of what they had done but were not impowred to meddle w th any thing else but if they had any thing to offer they knew our time and place of meeting when and where the whole being present they might if they pleased tender any thing they thought meet so those brethren came away But the same day in the Afternoon being our time of meeting to edefie and build up one another in our most holy faith two brethren came to us from them with the same Message which was received in love and this onely given in answer That we should consider of it and return an answer so soon as conveniently we could And accordingly either the same day on the next first day following we concluded upon a day to spread their Message before the Lord which when done we sent them a return
within a fortnight after by messengers of our own the answer to their message should be here inserted but being contain'd in our next Paper we shall here omit it Now the Reason why our Answer was given in writing was for that those our brethren who declared the same verbally brought return unto us That they desired it should be so pretending that they did not understand it or rather as we may say it not suting with their desire they would not understand it but however upon this report unto us by those brethren who were sent in our Name some from amongst us were appointed to draw it up in VVriting and present it to the whole for their approbation which vvas accordingly done but the same day it should have been brought in to us vve received another message from the other part of the Congregation vvhich should be here inserted but it being also contained in our next Paper vvith our Ansvver thereunto vve shall purposely omit it and refer the READER to the same Our Answer about sending to the Churches in the the City to hear the matter in difference between us Together with another Message from the other part of the Congregation wherein they desire us to joyne with them in keeping a day of fasting and prayer with our Answer thereunto Dear Brethren and Sisters in our Lord Iesus Christ UNderstanding by the brethren who were sent in our Name unto you to give a return unto your last Message that our Answer was very ill resented and because it was not in full compliance with and according to your expectation they were not suffered to speak out what was upon their hearts without much interruption by some amongst you as it hath been customary for the most part since our withdrawing from you which We cannot but look upon as arbitrary amongst men much more unsavoury among Saints though you seldom received such unkindness from us as we can remember and not onely so but We our selves are looked upon as such who act in hypocrisie which We hope the Lord hath will preseve us from for such shall be sure to finde the weight of his indignation at this day Isaiah 33.14 The consideration whereof together with that invitation We received from some amongst you not opposed by any hath engaged us to send the same in Writing that so there might be no mistakes or still interpretations of what was then spoken or advantage taken through our weakness to blemish so blessed a Cause and we trust that upon looking back into our own hearts there is found a root of uprightness in the management thereof and that it is not wilfully in our hearts to speak or act hypocritically whatever some amongst you do says or apprehend But before we come to the Answer it self being the chief drift and scope of these lines we humbly apprehend it necessary to lay before you the several Reasons last given in when without our consent desired you were pleased in the Name of the Church to send for several brethren to determine and udge of the matter in difference between us The Reasons as they were laid dovvn in this Paper being already inserted in the foregoing Leaf vve do here purposely omit them as being a needless repetition These Reasons you very wel knovv the Lord did make so convincing to those brethren vvho came at your request that upon knovvledg thereof they absolutely refused to meddle therein til such time as you had advised with us or the least asked our consent Now We hoped that before you had made any further progress you would have laid before the Lord those r The Readen may remember that in pag. 22. several Brethren of other Churches were sent for by them to hear the matter in difference which they resused till our first Paper given in was debated in the Church likewise the other time mentioned in this Paper which are the two disappointments spoken of two disappointments you had received and in a due fence thereof enquired into his mind and will but instead thereof at the same time without so much as the leastlying low before his face the same did forth with send your Messengers unto us to know whether we would join with you in sending to the several Churches for hearing of the matter in difference Who were some what pressing upon us to have a present return one way or other which We durst not adventure upon for two Reasons First in respect of our own weakness and insufficiency being poor foolish creatures Secondly In respect of the weight of such a Work not being to be done without solemn seeking to the Lord that being the Way he hath appointed to lead advise and instruct his people about any business they are dark in and accordingly We did send Answer by your Messengers to that effect The next first day being a full meeting of the Congregation withdrawn from you We did spread your desire before the Lord and sought of him a right Way how far We might comply with you therein and in the close of the day after much discourse course about it judging likewise that We had the Mind and Will of God came to this result That before We could give a direct answer to you desire that you would be pleased to give us your positive judgement Whether those Brethren of the Army were guilty of those sins laid to their charge by us or no which We have often desired intreated and sent to you about but could not obtain it to this day as is expressed in our fourth Reason before mentioned to which We then received this return That you were not in a capacity to answer us therein because you were divided into three parts some judging they were under those sins others that they were not and a third party could not tell whether they were or not This Answer thus returned with some other circumstances not considerable here to be inserted We did spread it before the Lord together with your former desire and in the end came to this conclusion That We were wholly dis-satisfied with your Answer to our last request apprehending it somewhat strange that you should be unanimous in revoting communion with them after so plain proof of their sin laid to their charge especially some of them and yet not be united in your judgments whether they were under those sins or not And though We might hereupon wave any return to your desire till We had your plain answer thereunto yet least it should be judged that We were unwilling or fearful the Cause of Christ We are engaged in should have the hearing amongst other brethren We did thereupon for the Name and Honour of God and clearing up our integrity herein and for the further manifestation of truth with a due saving to those two Admonitions already given conclude That We were and are very willing and shall rejoice therein for Truths sake to comply with your desire with this limitation That We
many of you Indeed we have ground to fear that many of you are so far become guilty as to call their evil good and our withdrawing from them and you upon this account evil And although we have been now one whole year and half or thereabouts waiting upon you in the Lords way by our withdrawing from you wherein we have been desirous to exercise patience and much long-suffering and as we hope with yearning bowels towards you in some measure willing to have compassion of you as of our own soules left we should also be tempted Likewise a year and half before our withdrawing bearing our Testimony against the evill amongst you so that had there been any heart in you to purge out the old leaven you might have become a new lump unto the Lord in so long time and thereby have been a vessel of honour meet for the Masters use in your generation but notwithstanding their sin hath been so often laid before you by us since as well as before our first withdrawing and having we hope out of love to your soules as well as for the glory of God in discharge of our own duty admonished the Souldiers of their evill and your selves as their Abettors according to the Rule of the Gospel that if it had pleased our heavenly Father you might thereby have been duly humbled under his mighty hand by smiting upon the thigh saying What have I done and each one have considered from whence you are fallen and done your first works Moreover in regard it was imputed to us That we would have none to Judge of or hear the ground of our withdrawing but our selves we did thereupon offer unto you that we were willing others should have the hearing of our Cause or rather the Cause of our Lord Jesus Christ wherein such poor worthlesse wormes as we are ingaged Provided we might have Liberty on our part to choose Persons of known Integrity and Godliness of whose faithfulness to the cause of Christ we might have good ground of Assurance in such an evil day as this is which by your practice you have absolutely denied us and in stead thereof have sent a third time to the several Congregations in and about the City without our consent or approbation that they might by their messengers hear and judge of the Matter in difference between us though they have refused to meddle with it And Oh that the consideration thereof might yet at the last put you upon some serious inquiry what should be the minde and will of the Lord concerning you therein and whether a third denial of this kinde doth not speak that you have so often gone out of the Lords way about that work and have refused susch equal wayes as might tend to the further discovery of truth as we humbly apprehend Likewise about 7. or 8. weeks since after seeking the Lord and receiving advice from such as were faithfull to the cause of Christ in this day we did judge it our duty notwithstanding your refusall to this day yet once more to make the same tender unto you as we had done formerly That the matter in difference might be debated in the presence of a certain number of godly persons one half chosen by you and the rest by us and all of them having equal liberty of speaking as occasion might require To which we received Answer being little less then a plain denial of our tender however we make a speedy reply in writing that our willingness to such a work might appear for answer whereunto we have been about four weeks in expectation but having no return we do discern that the Lord hath shut up your hearts from it which doth the more plainly appear for that we are informed those Members of Churches to whom you have committed the perusal of our last paper did give in their Judgement That our desire therein was but reasonable and ought to be condesscended unto Now we could wish that the sence of your great evil might lie more upon our hearts wherein we would also not be unsensible of our own miscarriages in the management thereof desiring we hope to mourn before the Lord for the same yea we desire not onely in the words but Spirit of the Prophet Jeremiah to say Oh that our heads were water and our eyes a fountain of tears that we might weep night and day for our own sins and iniquities as well as for the great abominations of this time being an open Apostacy from the Cause of Christ and this Nations freedom sealed unto in the late Wars by the Faith Prayers Blond Tea's and Estates of many thousands of whom not a few were Saints whereinto you are so greatly fallen and it is upon the hearts of some of us that if the Lord shall not mercifully yet at the last send his Angel and pull you out from amongst this Apostatizing generation this may probably be your portion That Partaking of their sins you may partake of their Judgements An therefore that we might be remisse in nothing so far as the Lord hath discovered it to be his minde and will unto us It is after seeking of his face for Councel and direction and some searching of our own hearts judged to be our duty to leave this paper with you as our last Testimony against the crying evils and abominations amongst you and cleaved unto by you some more some lesse as is hereafter mentioned First As to our Brethren the Souldiers We humbly declare and testifie in the Name and fear of the Lord who is the searcher of all hearts they do appear unto us very manifestly guilty of those several sins laid to their charge by us as being principall Abetters unto and Supporters of the Apostacy of this day headed by the Person now in Power by whom our Brethen stand and so stiffly contend for as if they would justifie him in all his Oppressions wherein he ariseth and higher to the great reproach of the Gospel The sin we shall onely name being more largely set down in our first paper First Treason having betrayed the Cause and Intrest of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Nations Liberty contended for in the late Wars which did maniselt it self First In pulling down all Antichristian laws Statutes ⋆ Having before proved that there is an Apostacy we now come to shew the rise of it and is as followeth When the War was ended at Worcester the Lords people expected that the good things the Army declared for and promised should be brought forth Also the man in Power and the Army appear'd in words to do so to And do blame and pretend they dissolved the old Parliament for not doing those good things and likewise to call the Little Parliament as men fearing God and Principled to bring them forth as also to Act for the Advancement of Christs Kingdom And go on to say that something was at the door and that we were at the edge and threshold of the
faithfully and plainly with him in setting his sins before him The Lord is still very gracious and favourable unto me Oh blesse the Lord with me for his unspeakable grace to me in accounting me worthy to suffer any thing for Christ in bearing witnesse against the sins of men which fight against his glory and interest when I consider what a base vil'd filthy Creature the Lord hath honoured in calling him to suffer any thing for him my soul is melted and humbled within me I do plainly perceive a plot of Divine Love in bringing me unto this place Jehovah is here fitting me for some other service I have not had such a constant uninterrupted Communion with God in glorious light love and joyes all the days of my life as I can remember as I have had since I came hither Oh how sweet is Communion with Christ in a prison I should be viler then the vildest upon earth if I did not prefer these Spiritual enjoyments before all the pleasures riches and honors of a thousand worlds I am now wrestling with God night and day for his Spirit for my self and all Saints O help me in your Prayers that I may not be ashamed for waiting upon him for his Spirit Of a truth the Spirit is at the door I shall receive him more gloriously then yet I have received him for the present the word of the Lord is precious there is no open vission 1 Sam. 3.4 God calleth to us as he did unto Samuel but we know not infallibly and in the Demonstration of the Spirit who it is that speaketh unless it be concerning our Salvations but he will speak and we shall know that it is he that speaketh in us Isa 52.6 He hath spoken unto us in as it were parables but he is shewing us plainly of the Father John 16.25 The Spirit will shew us things to come John 16.13 I am perswaded particularly concerning my self that I shall receive some gifts of the Spirit which I have not yet received If you shall desire to know the grounds of this perswasion I shall lay them down I am not afraid that they should be tried First I have a Spirit in this thing to teach me self denial I do plainly see that no strength or endeavors of my own will do any thing I must be dead unto them a faith of my own working will not remove a molehill power must be given in by Jesus Christ for the gloryfying of his Name Mark 6.7 Secondly I do expect Spiritual gifts by the Gospel and not by the Law Gal. 3.2 Though I have been a vile Creature yet the Lord Jesus Ascended that he might give gifts to the Rebellious Thirdly the grace of God will shine more gloriously in giving gifts unto me by so much as I have been vilder then other Saints before and since my Conversion Rom. 5.20 Fourthly I have faith according to the Scriptures that the word of the Lord will come unto some Saints to inform them concerning the work of their Generation as it did unto Isaiah Jeremiah Agabus and others Because God will do nothing but he will reveal it unto his Servants the Prophets Amos 3.6 Fifthly Many Saints do pray that God would fill me with his Spirit and do believe that God will hear their prayers for me and I do not doubt but it shall be unto me according to my Faith Sixthly I am commanded to Covet earnestly the best gifts which by grace I do and shall do by the help of your prayers 1 Cor. 12.31 Seventhly I am humbled for anything of flesh which might move me to desire the Spirit and I desire gifts in the Spirit upon this Account 1 Cor. 10.31 That the Father may be glorified in the Son Eightly I look upon Christ as powerful so that he is able as gracious so that he is willing as true so that he will be faithful in making good that promise John 14.13 14. Which I have by grace applied in this particular case Whatsoever ye shall ask in my Name that will I do that the Father may be glorified in the Son If ye shall ask any thing in my name I will do it Christ cannot be unfaithful John 14.15.16 Ninthly Christ saith If you love me keep my Commandments and I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever I believe therefore have I spoken saith the Psalmist Psal 116.10 So say I I do believe therefore have I written these things unto you And the God of bowels will never cover me with shame for making this profession of my faith in the bosomes of the Saints I have been sensibly present with you in the Spirit though I am in body absent from you And I hope that when God shall bring me again unto you that I shall come in the blessing of the fullness of the Gospel in the mean while I shall in the Spirit of grace make my supplications for you at the throne of grace that you may flourish in faith grow in love abound in lively hope and that the peace which Christ hath bequeathed his Disciples may be with you and shall beg your prayers for me night and day that the Father of lights from whom every good and perfect gift comes may give the gifts and graces of the Spirit which I expect who by grace may subscribe my self Your Servant in Christ and a waiter in the Spirit for the Spirit John Sympson From Windsor the place of my great liberty and Imprisonment the 9th day of the 12th Moneth 1653. This is a true Copy of the Originall examined by us Tho. Cary. John Clements Dear Brethren WHen I resolved to write unto you I was thinking with my self unto what Churches of the seven Churches of Asia I might compare you If I had compared you to Smyrna and Philadelphia which are not reproved but commended by Iesus Christ you might have concluded that I did flatter you If I had compared you to Laodicea some might have thought that I had wronged them and therefore I think that I cannot more truly speak of you as a Church of Christ then by acknowledging that some of the good things for which some of those Churches are commended may be found amongst you and that some of the bad things for which some of those churches are blamed may be found among some of you I am perswaded that Christ hath somewhat against some of you Rev. 2.4 Because you have left and in part lost your first love which you had to Christ his Gospel and people The Lord awaken you and help you to recover that unfeigned repentance lively faith flaming affections and soul-ravishing hopes which once you had what have you found in the wayes of sin and the world which can countervail the loss of those sweet and heavenly enjoyments which once you had in God Return unto your first husband for then was it better with you then now Hosea 2.7
maintain them in the injoyment of a maintenance which by the Mother of Harlots is inforced and compelled from the People Sweet Jesus open the eyes of the People of England that they may see themselves in the midst of Babylon Dear Brethren be not offended with the subject of this Letter I am bound as a Watchman to give you notice of the approching of the Beast and be not offended with my manner of expressing of my self It is best to speak of Christian and Antichristian things and persons in the language of the Scripture or Scripture like words What I write I write with a good conscience without doubting or wavering blessed be Jehovah for it and therefore receive it in love learn to love every truth of God if any of you be otherwise minded concerning this matter God shall reveal even this unto you in the mean while whereunto you have already attained walk by the same Rule of Christ and minde the same things Pray to God that he may keep you sound in the Faith which I hope you have received from Jesus Christ and take heed of those deceitful workers who overthrow the plain and simple gospel of Christ Do not hazard your own soules endamage the soules of others not encourage them by lending an ear unto their Sermons and discourses beware of familistical and notional wolves in sheeps clothing remember that victory over false Teachers is part of that victory which we have by Christ Ye are of God little Children and have overcome them John 4.4 Because greater is he that is in you then he that is in the world If any therefore come into your City and bring not the plain Doctrine of Faith according to Godliness bid them not God speed for he that biddeth them God speed is partaker of their evill deeds 2 John 10.11 Do not murther Soules by encouraging Soul-murtherers by hearing of them but beware lest being led away by the errour of the wicked you fall from your own stedfastness 2 Pet. 3.16.17 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ To him be glory both now and for ever Amen Your Brother in the Spirit of Jesus John Sympson Windsor the 2. Moneth the 8 th day 1654. This is a true Coppy of the Originall examined by us Tho. Cary. John Clements Dear Brethren I Have thorow mercy a whole week together tasted the sweetness of God in close Imprisonment it is nothing to be alone if it be for many years together where there is a gracious presence of God he that with Enoch walketh with God can never be alone It was the speech of an heathen I am never less alone then when I am alone how much more may a Christian say who in truth can say Truly my fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Unless the New Courtiers did love me very well they would not deal with me as they do If they knew what an Advantage close Imprisonment were unto me That my Faith Joyes Hope Sanctification might arise higher my Father gave forth his Orders that the under Gaolers should keep me close Prisoner Father if thou wilt be so sweet in all thy dispensations to thy worthless and vile Creature though by grace thy Son it shall not be grievous unto me If it shall please thee to suffer them to deal more roughly and barbarously with me God is so sweet that I cannot but glory in Tribulations I have my wife and children about me while I am alone because my Jesus is with me My personal Communion is so sweet with God that were it not that I would not live onely to my self and my own comforts in glorifying God but do desire to be usefull unto others in glorifying God I should never desire more external Liberty God doth smile upon me yea that you may wax confident by my Imprisonment and not be ashamed of my reproach I must tell you the cause for which I suffer doth smile upon me Who am I that God hath so highly honoured me in thinking me worthy to suffer for Righteousnesse sake in bearing witness against the Covetousnesse Lies Perjuries Hypocrisies and Tyranicall Practises of Men I would not change my Imprisoned condition with the highest condition of my persecutors and oppressors How much is it better to be a persecuted Saint then a Persecutor The Lord will succour and relieve the oppressed but will break in pieces the oppressor I begin to be perswaded that there is some truth in the things which formerly I spake doubtfully of About at twelve moneth since in Martins fields I was transported into a Spirit beyond my own and in it the downfall of great O. was revealed unto me About the dissolution of the Parliament I saw great O. four severall Mornings Intellectually In the first he was hastily running towards a Crown In the second he sat in a Chair of State In the third he was presented with a part of Horns upon his head and in the fourth he was shamefully tumbled from his Pomp and Glory I have seen the three first come to pass and for the third I do now more fully understand it then ever I did His two Horns are his Tyrannical Power by which he doth push at and persecute the poor Saints and his Antichristian power by which in things Spiritual and Ecclesiastical he doth oppose Christ in his Royal Prerogatives as he is King of Saints and an appointer and ordainer of Preachers according to his own Laws I pitty the man in the place in which he is now seated If he were an Angel in his present place and feat he could not but be a persecutor of the Saints for he is one of the ten horns of the Beast which must make war with the Lamb but he shall overcome him for he is Lord of lords and King of kings and they that are with him are called chosen and faithful Rev. 17.14 I had an impulse of Spirit in which I was strongly carried to believe that that Bastardly Government in the setting up of which the mouthes of Gods enemies were opened to blaspheme should die and not live though in it self it might be good enough and too good for us unless we did walk more worthy of our mercies yet considering it as set up by them who declared so much for the Liberty of the free born people of England and the Interest of Christ it is a bastard begotten conceived in a night of Hypocrisie and brought forth in a day of bold faced impiety and the Lord will make a grave for it for it is vild I did apprehend that great O. was set up by God permissively by the Dragon voluntarily by himself ambitiously by the Army cowardly by willing Saints Trayterously and by unwilling Saints passively mournfully I do repeat these things that you may know I am confirmed not weakned in my perswasions that you may know what comfortable ground I have to wait for
the accomplishment of what is behind It is sweet to me now in this confinement to consider that I had a hint of these things by Intellectual vision or dreams before they came to pass In a slumber about Worcester Businesse I saw great O lying upon the ground with most of his great Officers and their mouthes stopped with clay by which I was perswaded that they should not be able to act any more for Christ or fetch breath in his cause which is come to passe Before the dissolution of the long sitting Parliament In a dream I beheld some lusty fellowes binding an old man who when he was bound his cords did break but he was so feeble that he could not rise again and presently after they had left him they caught hold of me and apprehended me It was given in that the Parliament was the Old man and that after they had dissolved the Parliament they should persecute me which I charged upon the memories of some friends to remember I scarce know how to speak of these things because some may think that I speak in wrath when I speak upon a more noble account for the glory of God But let truth be spoken though I suffer in the opinions of some Saints I shall conclude with desiring your Prayers for these things first that I may oppose the enemies of Christ as his not mine hating their wayes yet loving their persons as my own Secondly That I may pray in faith with the Psalmist Psal 119.134 Deliver me from the oppression of man so will I keep thy precepts Thirdly That God might strike my strongest corruptions under the fifth rib by this imprisonment Fourthly That God would anoint me with fresh oyl to Preach and Baptize Fifthly That God would teach me to see how far my suffering may be accounted a Martyrdom in relation to Christs good cause and a Judgement in relation to my unprofitable walking before God and his people for the same suffering may be a Martyrdom for Christ and a judgement to our flesh 1. Pet. 4.16 17. The Lord enable you to ask these things in faith and thoroughly enable you to every good work through Christ to whom be glory everlastingly Amen J.S. From the old Steeple 4th Moneth 3d. day 1654. This a true Coppy of the Originall examined by us Tho. Cary. John Clements Severall Objections against the Printing and Publishing of the aforementioned Transactions relating to our withdrawing and separation from the Souldiers and Mr. Simpson c. As also Mr. Simpsons Letters weighed scanned and answered WE finde a certain rule in Scripture that where a Brother or Brethren walk disorderly they are to be adminished and withdrawn from 2 Thes 3.6 And in case of perseverance in their evill after admonition to he saparated from and all Church relation disowned with them according to Mat. 18.15 16 17 18. Cor. 5 5.2 Cor. 6.17.2 Tim. 3.5 And when this is done they are to be unto us as those that are without but we see no Scripture warrant leading us to publish the sins and evill practices of such persons but rather to leave them unto the Lord to be converted or otherwise as he in his secret will hath determined yea it seems to us rather to savour of malice and revenge then of a Gospel frame of Spirit Answ There are two things to be considered for the making a righ answer to this objection which we desire may be weighed First the nature of the sin such persons are guilty of that is to say whether it be of u private or publique concernment for accordingly the Lord is either more or lesse dishonoured and therefore the Apostle speaks concerning some in this kinde I Tim. 5.20 in these words Them that sin rebuke before all that others may fear painly intimating that if persons who are called brethren have such foreheads of brasse as to commit sin in the face of the sun whereby God is not onely dishonoured in respect of the sin it self but others undone thereby as the sin of the Souldiers is by Treason False-swearing Oppression c And that not to the ruine of a few but the whole Nation yea to the crucifying and destroying of the Cause and Interest Christ contended for in the late Wars with the losse of so much precious blood we do then conceive that they ought to be rebuked before all that the Nation against whom they have sinned may know that we disown such wicked practices being contrary to the light of nature much more of grace which is also the more to be weighed in regard that Publique Sinnes brings Publique Judgements so did the sins of the Rulers in Israel upon the whole mation And therefore Pilate himself being forewarned by his wife not to have a hand in the death of our Lord Jesus being an innocent person without doubt did foresee how sad it would be with the Nation upon that account and therefore took water in the presence of the whole Court and published before them all that he would have no hand in his death and what a Judgement hath there been upon the Jews ever since for that publique sin And how did the Apostles afterwards testifie against the Rulers publiquely for their sin in so doing And if lawfull to speak in that manner against them then certainly it cannot but be as lawfull to write In the next place as the sin is to be considered so the Estate Quality and Officer of such persons who commits it And herein also sinne is the more aggravated for when Souldiers or Magistrates have professed before God Angels and Men what they would do for Christ his glory and poor afflicted people in administring of Justice and Righteousness relieving the oppressed and breaking yokes as also to improve all their Military civil power for the same whereunto they were called and intrusted both by God and man shall instead thereof take the Crown from off Christs head and put it upon their own and make use of their Power and Force to oppresse a Nation and do violence to all that will not bow down to their Lusts Also maintaining Antichristian Laws to force the consciences of the Lords People and all this contrary to their professed and declared light which is the more considerable in regard they have been Instruments in the Lords hand to pull down the late King with his Son other abettors for the like abominations now committed by themselves we then do humbly apprehend that not onely a Personal but National reproof is to be given them according to the nature of their offence and the capacity wherein they stand so that it seems to us not onely to be our Gospel Liberty but our Gospel Duty to publish by whriting the sin of the Souldiers with their abettors Objection The aforesaid Scripture although it speakes full as to their being rebuked before all according to the nature of their offence with the capacity wherein they stand which we must
shame of Profession not onely in this but other Nations also Wherefore it is much upon the hearts of some of us That if our Transactions in this kinde had not been published we should not have been able to free our selves from the guilt of the blood shed in the late Wars In regard we have hereby a price put into our hands and so are called to serve the Lord there with Object Notwithstanding what hath been spoken we are not satisfied as to the Printing and publishing of the said papers for it seemes to us to savour of vain-glory at the least and therefore were desire that 2 Sam. 1.20 concerning the death of Saul may be considered where David makes use of these words concerning him Tell it not in Gath publish it not in the streets of Askelon lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoyce lest the daughters of the uncircumcised triumph Now if Sauls iniquity ought not to be published who had so foully backslidden from the Lord lest the enemies of the Lord should triumph then surely the Souldiers evil ought not to be published which we think doth not exceed Sauls though we are satisfied that the Lord is greatly dishonoured by them Answ For a right understanding of this Scripture and thereby a due answer unto this objection we desire that 1 Sam. 31.8 and 9 verses may be weighed Where it will appear that the Philistines the next day after the battel finding Saul among the slain of Israel out off his head and sent it into the Land of the Philistines round about to publish it in the house of their Idol Gods and among the people so that Sauls death was alreadly published all over the land of the Philistimes and therefore as it ought not so it needed not to be published by Israel for he had not sinned against the Philistines But the Souldiers have sinned not onely against the people of God but the whole Nation and in this wickedness keep the Nation under their oppressive power and not onely so but cover their evill to many Godly as well as Carnall men saying They have done no evil and therefore their iniquity ought to be published to undeceive the people and many gracious hearts who still follow them as some did Absolom that rebelled against David In the next place though Saul had back-slidden in a particular command about saving Agag alive and preserving the Cattell of the Amalekites to offer Sacrifice with yet still he fought the Lords battells and rul'd by the same Lams as before so that though his sin was known in the Nation where he dwelt yet it was not as we can read known to any other Nation for Israel held correspondency then with no Nation but were a distinct people separate from them all so that it would indeed have savoured of vain-glory to publish his evill to such But the Souldiers have ingaged to stand by the grand Apostate who hath sworn to maintain the body of the old Beastly Antichristian Laws contrary to the end of the Lord and his people in the late War and their own Declarations and Ingagement so solemnly made in the day of their straits Also they fight Antichrists battells and not the battell of our Lord Christ and so their sin exceeds Sauls and if they persist therein so also wil thei Judgement And therefore may and ought to be published within the bounds of our own Nation against whom they have sinned Moreover Saul was Gods anointed and therefore he was ingaged to stand by him against his enemies had he not back-slidden so that had they published his death it was in a manner to have disowned the Lords Anointed upon which account it was as we conceive that David mourned for him after his death as being the glory of Israel but we hope there is none will be so void of understanding as to make such a comparison between the Souldiers and Saul Adding hereunto also that Saul by his death as the just hand of the Lord upon him was removed from any further dishonouring of his Name by his Apostacy And so there needed no testifying against him which was not in being no more then against Judas after the just hand of the Lord had reached him for his inquity But the Souldiers have the Power of the Nation in their hands and stout it out against the Lord and his People persevering in their evil and adding more and more to the dishonor c reproach they have already brought to the name of the Lord by covering their iniquity under a Form of Godlinesse and therefore their iniquity ought to be published to unvaile their hypocrisie and discharge a good conscience by a sutable testimony against them FINIS [a] Rev. 15.2 [b] Rev. 15.4 [c] Rev. 18.10 11. [d] Rev. 16.5 compared with ch 19.2 [e] Isa 8.18 [f] 1 Cor. 5.6 [g] 1 Tim. 5.20 com with Deur 19 20. [h] 2 Tim 2.8 comp with Num. 16.3 12 13 14. [i] Mat 27.19 24. [k] Mat. 23.34 35. [l] Mat. 23.30 [m] Rev. 3.15 16. [n] Rev. 2.2 3 10. [o] Judg. 5.9 â—3 [p] 2 King 9.32 [q] Isa 26.6 comp with Jer. 49 20. [r] Isa 30.1 2. [s] Jer. 15.19 20 21. com with chap. 1.17 18 19. [t] 2 Cor. 6.14 Phil. 4.8 [u] 2 Cor. 7.2 [⋆] Isa 5.20 [x] 1 Sam. 17.29 [y] 2 Sam. 6.20 [z] Luk 11.43 [a] Prov. 29 26. [b] Rev. 1.9 [c] Mat. 25.23 comp with Luke 12 from 35 to 45. [d] Acts 11.22 23 24. [e] Acts 15.38 [f] Rev 31.10 [g] 2 Tim 2 19 com with Jude 23 [a] Isa 26.21 [b] Isa 33.14 comp with chap 4.4 5. [c] Isa 4.4.5 [d] Psal 149 4. Gal. 2.18 Rom 21.32 Rom. 2.3 Phil 4.8 Mic. 2.2 Zeph. 3.4 comp with Ezek. 22.27 Ezek. 46.18 Pro. 22.22 Zech. 7.10 Neh. 5. v. 9 to 14. Iam. 2.6 2 Chron. 36.16 Matt. 23.30 31 34. 2 Chro. 19.2 Esther did otherwise chap. 8.3 5. com with chap. 7.3 4 6. yea she desired that the ren sons of Haman the persecutor might be hanged also Esth 9.13 Luk. 11.23 Mic. 6.16 2. King 10.29 30 31 32. Isa 29.13 14. com with Matt. 15.8 9. Lam. 2.15 16. Rom. 2.23 24. com with Isa 52 5.6 Psa 79.4 Dan. 9.16.2 Sam. 12 14 2 King 19 3 Jam. 2 7 Psa 69 9. Ezck. 13.22 Isa 10.1 ⋆ This also was by Kelzeys Order ⋆ To wit the time allowed them to look after their own occasions Matth. 18.19 20. Jam 1.5 chap. 5.16 Mal. 3.16 Luk. 24.14 15 17 32. Matt. 18.7 Rom. 16.17 1 Cor. 13.6 Matt. 18.16 17. [g] Gal. 5.13 ⋆ Brethren of the other part of the Congregation ⋆ The man in Powerbid Mr. Jessey others call him Iugler if tythes were not taken away by the third of Septem 1654. ⋆ Mal 18 16 ⋆ It being as he said so great a case of Conscience And which indeed is so to us [q] Isa 64.5 ⋆ Viz pag 38. of this Book [s] Those two Admonitions are contained in our first second paper delivered in unto them ⋆ Note ⋆ Captain Harrison kept Master Sympson Major Strange kept Major Generall Harrisou ⋆ To wit Mr Ecak at that time a Prisoner there for the same cause of Christ with him ⋆ The Man in Power judged the Ministry of England stood upon a Popish Bottom and none to be Christs Ministers but those who had received the Spirit for that use See his speech to little Parliament in Looking-glass Pag. 60. Note Note ⋆ The Man in Power was of this minde also See his Speech to Little Parliament Looking-glass p. 62. ⋆ Note ⋆ Note ⋆ Note Note ⋆ Note ⋆ Note Note Note Note ⋆ Note ⋆ Note Note ⋆ Note who doth so now VVho doth so now Note Note ⋆ Note Note Who is a Lecturer now Note ⋆ Note Note ⋆ Is not Kelzye Strange Harrison Ducker Sumner whom we have charged with this And others the willing Traytors according to his own words ⋆ Among other Scriprures see 2 Kings 21.11 12. Jer 15.4 Hos 1.4 (c) Mar. 27.19 24 (d) As by their Declarations doth appear ⋆ Isa 31.1 Hos 8.3 4 Hab. 2.6 9 15. Amos 6.1 3 4 5 12 13. Hos 5.7 Isa 19.15 21. Isa 30.9 10 11 12 16. 2 Chr. 36.16 Mat. 2.24 48 49. ⋆ The Judgements against Judah were written in a Roll and published in the Lords house and abroad to the people And their fins likewise the cause of those Judgements were there with declared see Jer. 36.2 4 6 28 31 32 comp with chap. 35.13.15 17. ⋆ Gen. 9.21 22. ⋆ Matth. 26.15 16 25 47 48 49. Mark 14.10 11 43 44 45. Luke 6.16 Chap. 22.47 48. John 18.2 3. 2 Tim. 4.10 14. ⋆ Acts 7.51 52. ⋆ Rev 17.13 14. compared Jer. 51.56 57. ⋆ 2 Tim. 3.1 2 3 4 5.