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A09881 A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut 1604 (1604) STC 20144; ESTC S105148 106,538 134

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Ergo Popery is true Religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis Reason is parallel vnto the 31. Reason But I answere farther 2 I. The lustre and glory of the Church is two fold Interiour and Exteriour the inward glory is that which consisteth in purity of doctrine the outward glory consisteth in the amplitude and peaceable state of the Church The inward glory never faileth in the Church but the outward oftentimes doth Vnto this belongeth the succession of ordinary Pastours and Doctors for indeede there may bee a true Church without ordinary Pastors Where two or three consent in verity of doctrine there is Christ in the midst of them there is the Church Againe the Church fled into the wildernes where for a time shee was fed by God c. 3 The Popish Wolues are not true Pastours and Doctors of the Church wherof the Apostle Paule speaketh Eph. 4.11 For in the Papacie we see the Pope extolling himself aboue all yea sometimes two three or fowre Popes at once cursing banning one the other into the pit of hell and fighting many a bloody cūbate for Peters chaire as they say We see many Cardinals Patriarkes Archbishops Bishops Abbots c. which represent Herods or Pharaos court yea which bear the shew of the Babylonian or Persian Monarchy following them in all ambition arrogancy vanity luxurie rather then the Apostolicall state of the Ecclesiasticall Ministry whereof the Apostle Paule speaketh 4 The Lord gaue vnto his Church Pastours and Doctours the Suppliants vrge out of Paule Eph. 4. Bee it so But here is no mention of Pope Cardinals Monkes Friers Iesuits Priests c. VVherefore we may retort this Argument vpon the Papists themselues thus They only haue a true and a lawfull calling and ordination in the Church who are mentioned by the Apostle Paul Eph. 4.11 But the Pope Cardinals Abbots Moonks Friers Iesuits Priests c. are not mentioned by the Apostle Ergo These haue no lawfull calling 5 Againe That is the true Church in which there is a lawfull vocation ordination of Pastours and Ministers In the Popish Church there is no lawfull ordination of such as we haue proved before Ergo The Popish Church is not the true Church 34. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose doctrine is to be a Begging of the question traced even vp to the Apostles chaire by true and lawfull succession of Bishops every of them holding b Vntruth vnitie with his predecessour and keeping still as the Apostle directeth the depositum that descended from hand to hand vnto them Which vninterrupted line of succession never leaping over the head of any one age or c False as appeareth every wherin ther owne Histories yeare drawing his originall from the Apostles can not but d This woude be prooved not saide neces arily proue that our Church is only the true Apostolical Church and that we e Impudent Begging continue and contende as we are cōmanded Coloss 1.23 Phil. 3.16 Jude v. 3. in and for the faith which was first preached And it is also evident by the irrefragable authority of S. Paule that the Romanes had once the true faith affirming their e faith to be renowmed in the whole world and common to him and them Likewise it is evident by the vniforme report of all Ecclesiasticall histories and by the writings of al the Fathers (a) Theodoretus * Great Crie Litle Wooll in cap. 16. epist ad Rom Prosp carmine de ingr in principio S. Leo de Nat. Pet. Aug. contr epist Fund cae 4. Oiosius l 7. cae 6. Chrysost in Ps 88. Epiph. haer 27. Prud in hym 2. S. Laurentij hym 12 Optatus l. 2. contr Donatist Ambr. lib. 5. epist de basilicis tradendis Hiero. in Catalogo Lactantius lib. 4 cap 21. de vera Sapien-Eusebius hist Eccles lib. 2 cap. 13.15 Athanas de fuga sua Cipria epist 55. nu 6. Tert. de praesic nu 4. lib. 4. Contr. Marcio nu 4. Origen in Gen. apud Euseb l 3. c 1. Jrenaeus l. 3 c. 3. Hegesippus li 3. c. 2. de Excid Hierosolym Caius Papias Dionis Episc Corinth citati per Euseb li. 2. ca. 14. 24 Jgnat epist ad Rom. Concil Calced act 3. and others Greeke and Latin yea and by the very sense sight of sundry monumēts yet extant that Saint Peter f This is very vncertaine can never be soundly demonstrated was at Rome suffred death there and was the first Bishop of that See Now if our Counterpleaders can sufficiently shew as we are sure the whole world cannot either that the Romanes haue since that time g left the faith which S. Paule commended in them or that any of the succeeding Bishops to S. Peter in that See haue changed the first faith by paring away any part therof or by adding any new doctrine contrary to the rule of the former or what vvas not taught before by the Fathers after explicitiuely added as a more clear particular declaration of the same if this wee say can be sufficiently shewed by h A senselesse issue required naming the Pope or other man who in such sort changed the primitiue faith the point or points of faith that were so chāged togither with the time place when where the change was first made we yeelde our selues to be i Whether you will yeelde your selues to be so or no it is certaine out of the Scriptures that you are such prophane Novellers yea Heretiks most worthy of the fagot Resolution of the 34. Reason Popish religion is that whose doctrine is to be traced even vp to the Apostles chaire by true and lawfull succession of Bishops every one of them bolding vnity with his predecessour keeping still the depositum that descended frō hand to hand vnto them Ergo Popish religion is true religion and consequently to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THIS reason is in effect the same with the last that goeth before But I deny Antecedent 2 Popish religion cannot bee traced vp to the Apostels chaire but downe rather to Lucifers chaire for it is nothing but a Summarie and Epitome of Heresies as I have proved before pag. 44. c. and manifestly teacheth those doctrines of devils condemned by the Apostle 1. Tim. 4.1 3 Their Bishops Popes haue no right successiō either to any Apostle or Apostolike mā in place person or office 4 If the Papists had this personal succession yet were they never the nearer I The wicked Priestes oftentimes pleaded succession against the true Prophets and against Christ himselfe Ier. 7.4 Ierem. 8.8 Ioh. 8.44 II Vriah the Priest had this succession from Aaron yet to please King Ahaz he set vp an altar according to the patterne that the King had sent him of one that hee had seene at Damascus contrary vnto the commādement of the Lord. 2. King 16.10.11 III The Patriarke of Constantinople deduceth his local and
Deut. 17.18.19.20 To like effect it was saide vnto Ioshua Let not the booke of this law depart out of thy mouth but meditate in it night and day that thou mayest diligently obserue as it is written in it For then thou shalt prosper in thy wates and haue successe in thy affaires Iosh 1.8 For this cause the Kingly Prophet exhorteth Kings to bee wise and iudges to be well advised that they worship GOD and his anointed denouncing vnto the enemies the Almighty power of Christ to the confusion of all that set themselues against him whereby he should be able as easily to breake them as a man with a barre of iron doth dash in peeces a pot of earth Psal 2.10.11.12 To this purpose notable is the speech of Asaria the Prophet vnto King Asa and to all Iuda Beniamin whē the Lord had miraculously foyled the innumerable multitude of their enemies The Lord saith he hath beene with you while yee have beene with him and if yee will yet seeke him be will be readie for you but of yee for sake him he will for sake you According to that which the man of GOD had saide before I will honour these that honour me and despise those which despise mee 2. Chron. 15.1 Sam. 2.30 This doctrine was sealed in the casting away of Saule and in the choosing and prosperous successe of David as he often acknowledgeth 1. Sam. 15. Psal 18.2 Sam. 22. Likewise in Salomon the most vvise and politique Prince that ever sate in the seate of David or ruled any people in the world who because he fully established the service of GOD according to all that had bin commanded by the Prophets the Lord also established his seate and increased his glory aboue all the Kings of the earth till he began to decline frō the Lord his God brought the abominable Idols of the strange women whom hee loved into his owne kingdome houses 1 King 10. Then the Lorde raised vp his servant against him who also in the daies of his sonne so rent away the ten tribes of Israel from the house of David that they never returned vnto it againe This was the speech of the Prophet Shemaiah to Rehoboam and the people of Iudah Thus saith the Lord You have for saken mee therefore will I also abandon you and give you into the hand of Shishak which was performed but in mercy vpon their repentance 2. Chron. 12.5 Abuah King of Iudah obiecteth against Ieroboam that he could not prosper because he had erected Idols in his kingdome had made him Priests contrary to the lawe and assured himselfe of GODS assistance against him for this reason because they had the Lord for their GOD who was their Captaine his lawfull Priests the Sonnes of Aaron sounding the Lords trumpets in the field before them Therefore saith he O yee children of Israel fight not against the Lord GOD of your fathers for yee shall not prosper And accordingly it is added that the Israelites were overthrowne having five hundreth thousand men of warre slaine and the Iewes were strengthened because they rested vpon the Lord GOD of their fathers 2. Chron. 13. Divers was the estate and aflaires of King Asa according as he walked with GOD prospering when he trusted in GOD and decaying when he followed the vaine discourse of flesh and blood and sought to the Aslyrians for helpe The same is alwaies diligently noted in the liues of the rest of the Kings Amazia Azaria Ioas Ezechia Iehoshaphat Manasles and the rest even to the Captivity of both the houses of Israel and Iudah with their Kings for false worshippe and disobedience vnto the vvord of the Lord their GOD. What shall I say of the life raigne death of our late blessed Soveraigne Queene ELIZABETH of most famous and happy memory who being but a woman after innumerable dangers and manifolde Persecutions comming to the crowne as the learned and reverend Father M. Doctor Abbots Deane of VVinchester noteth in his Auswere vnto Reas VI. of D. Hill in the latter end with vnspeakeable courage notwithstanding very many difficulties of Subiects at home of Princes abroad and of the Divell every where professed to mainetaine the trueth of the Gospel and to deface Idolatry superstition which with singular constancie shee continued all the daies of her life yeelding her lande a Sanctuary to all Christians throughout the whole world groaning for liberty of true Religion protecting and defending the afflicted Christians abroade in forraine Countries from the oppression of savage and bloudy Tyrants flourishing in wealth honor estimation being every way admired of all the Monarkes vnder the Sunne whither her fame did come and leaving matter for such a story as no Prince ever hath left the like This thrice noble Princesse after many glorious victories triumph● other renowned prosperities notwithstanding the tyrānous attempts of forraine enemies abroad the frequent conspiracies of vngodly persons at home against her crown person by the favor of the Almighty vnder the shaddowe of whose wings shee was ever safely protected having Raigned foure and forty yeeres foure months and eight daies a Virgin Queene dyed in peace in a full glorious age so beloved so honoured and so esteemed of her Subiectes as never was any Prince more And GOD to testifie his owne worke left at her death no calamitie or miserie in the kingdome no warres but even Ireland then calmed no famine no apparant pestilence no inundation of waters but plenty and abundance with inexspected tranquillity Yea to the end that he might crowne her with blessings hee put vnity and agreement into the Nobles Cleargy Commous of this Lande that readyly they submitted them selues to the only lawfull and royall Successour These and infinite such like examples declare true Pietie to be the very base and foundation of all true wisedom and policie Impietie what shew so euer it haue of outward ward profit and commodity for a season yet in deed and in the end to be the very cause of ruine and overthrowe to all estates and kingdomes The reason whereof is manifest because all Kings and Princes holde their Crownes and Scepters at the will and pleasure of GOD who is King of Kings Lord of Lords Prov. 18.15 Dan. 4.32 As therefore the Tenant at will hath no better policie then to please his Lord of whom he holdeth so the greatest policy soūdest wisdome that may be vsed by Kings Princes is to please the Lord our GOD in all obedience namely in the zealous advancing of his true religion service in the repressing of all false worship Idolatry hypocrisy tyranny which otherwise call nay cry aloude for GODS vengeance to pull down such sleeping dissembling colluders out of their thrones II Popery cannot be tolerated in England because it cannot chuse but involve the State in infinite perplexities and raise tumults and vproares in the kingdome 3 The instāces in Germanie Fraunce
not a propertie belonging vnto the Church of God I We BELEEVE the holy Catholike Church But faith is the evidēce of things which are NOT SEENE Heb. 11 II In the visible Church there are many Hypocrites but God only knoweth who are such De occultis non iudicat Ecclesia And Christ ONLY knoweth who are his Ioh. 10.2 Tim. 2. III By examples in the holy Scriptures the Church is described to be invisible 2. Chron. 15.3.4 Now for a long season Israel hath bin without the true God and without Priest to teach and without law But whosoever returned in his affliction to the Lord God of Israel and sought him he was found of them At this time Christ was not without his spouse but albeit the Ministry was corrupted hee had his invisible Church 1. King 19.18 I leaue seaven thousand in Israel that haue not bowed the knees to Baal This company was not seene with corporall eies And in the time of Christs cōming GOD had his invisible Church Marie Ioseph Zacharias Elizabeth the wise men that came from the East Simecon Anna c albeit publike Ministery was corrupted IV Paule saith Rom. 2.28.29 He is not a Iew which is one outward neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iew which is one within and the circumcision it of the heart in the spirite not in the letter whose praise is not of men but OF GOD. 2 Those places of Scriptures which the Suppliant quote proue only the durance holynes integrity good workes of the Church not the visibility thereof vnto all persons at all times 4 As for the suppliants Dilemma The vnknowne companie did either professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the false Church or they did not If they did professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the other thē was it not invisible If they did not professe their faith nor refuse to communicate with the false Church they could not be the true Church c. I answere 4 I. If they did not professe their faith c they could not be the true Church Here the Suppliants meane publike profession and open refusall we deny this Position indeed they can never proue it By their reason this is a good argumēt Those seaven thousands which bowed not their knees vnto Ball either professed their faith or did not If they did professe it how could not Elias see them If they did not professe it then they were not the true Church and yet who seeth not the vanity of it 5 II. They adde That vnknowne company cōmunicated with the false Church I marvel how the Suppliants know this Go to let vs vrge them with a Dilemma seeing they affect such kind of arguing so much I that company was vnknowne hovv know they what they did If they were not vnknowne but professed openly then what haue they to obiect 6 The Christian Reader may read in the 8. and 9. Chap. of the Prophecie of Ezechiel concerning those faithfull people that mourned and cryed for the abominations that were committed in Hierusalem how the Lord cōmaunded to set a marke on their forheads least they should perish learne thence that the Lorde wanteth no meanes to vindicate and saue his Church from destruction even in time of greatest calamity Reason of Religion 32 32. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion in whose largenes spreading amplitude over the whole world the predictions and promise of our Saviour are a These predictions are not verified in Popery but in true Christianitie verified not can take their truth and verification in any other sect or doctrine that ever was or is at this day on earth This Gospell of the kingdome saith our Saviour shall bee preached in the whole worlde for a testimony to all Nations Mat. 24.14 And by the pen of another Evangelist That penance shoulde be preached in his Name and remission of sinnes vnto all Nations Luk 24 47. And our Lord also compared this his Gospell to a Mustard seede one of the least of all seeds in the beginning but whē it is growne it maketh great boughes so that the birds of the aire that is as Expositors interprete the greatest Powers and the most wise of the world come and dwell vnder the shadow thereof Mat. 13.31 Mark 4 32. making their residence happynesse and rest therein A resemblance predictions which cannot agree or fall in with any b An evident vntruth other religion saue only with the Catholike Romane Religion and with this very fully as the particulars precedent and subsequent doe cleerely demonstrate Resolution of the 32. Reason Popish Religion is that which is spread over all the world Ergo Popish Religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis reason is the very same with the 29. and is there answered 2 Those predictions which the Suppliants speake of doe belong only vnto our Church For wee professe that very same doctrin which the Apostles preached vnto the whole world Many Kings great Powers and infinite Wise mē are professours of our Religion Yea our religion at this instant is much more diffused abroad then Popery is For we see that most kingdomes and countries in Christendome haue shaken of the yoke of Popery yea there is no Province nor Citty in Europe but there are therein very many who are addicted vnto the Gospell of Christ disclaime Popery and professe the same religion that we doe Reason of Religion 33 33. REASON OF RELIGION A Religiō that hath alwaies had as the Apostle assureth Gods church should ever haue yeelding also fowre weighty causes of the same a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne a Not Popes Cardinals Pastors and Doctors to the consummation of the Saints the first cause vnto the worke of the ministery the second cause vnto the edifying of the body of Christ the thirde cause that now we be not children wavering and caried about with every winde of doctrine the fourth cause and this vntill wee meete all into the vnity of faith that is to the worlds end Which successiue eve●●ontinuing duration of Pastors and Doctors the same being also promised before to the true Christian Church by severall a Psal 88.31 sequ Esa 59.20 21. Ierem 31.31 sequ Ezech 37.25 Prophets and so greatly materiall in it selfe as without it there can be (b) False See the answere no Church as both b Lib. 4 epist 9. S. Cyprian and c Lib. contr Luciferian S. Hierom doe absolutely affirme hath not nor can bee ever proved to haue beene fulfilled in any other Church saue only in the Catholike Romane Church and in it most apparantly demonstrable by the Ecclesiasticall histories of all ages and by the shorte space or rather momentary blast of time that al other Religions compared with ours haue indured Resolution of the 33. Reason Popish Religion hath alwaies had a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne Pastours and Doctors