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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85414	A short ansvver to A. S. alias Adam Stewart's second part of his overgrown duply to the two brethren. Together with certaine difficult questions easily answered; all which A. Stewart is desired to consider of, without replying, unlesse it be to purpose. A. Steuart [sic] in his second part of his duply to the two brethren. page 166. The civill magistrate cannot bee orthodox, and tollerate a new sect, (hee meanes independencie, and may as well say Presbytery) unles hee tollerate us to beleeve that hee is either corrupted by moneys, or some other waye, so to doe.	Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1644 (1644)	Wing G1201; Thomason E27_6; ESTC R8324	30,557	41

for punishing herecie and schisme bee naturall and perpetuall as is pretended c. Pag. 29. You quote out of Deut. 17. 12. The man that doth presumptuously and will not hearken unto the Priest or unto the Iudge even that man shall dye aleadging that there is the sa●e reason for the Ministers of the New Testament c. But that wee may clearely see what dangerous consequences would follow hereupon it may bee best to returne back unto the place in Deut. 17. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. The text sayes If there arise a matter too hard for thee in iudgement between bloud and bloud between plea and plea and between stroake and stroake being matters of controversy within thy gates then shalt thou arise and get thee up into the place which the Lord thy God shall chuse And thou shalt come unto the Priests and Levites and unto the Iudge which shall be in those dayes and enquire and they shall show the sentence of iudgement And thou shalt doe according to the sentence which they of that place which the Lord shall chuse shall shew thee and thou shalt observe to doe according to all that they enforme thee According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee and according to the iudgments which they shall tell thee thou shalt doe thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall sh●w thee to the right hand nor to the left then follows how the man that will do presumptuously and will not hearken unto the Priest that standeth to minister there before ●●y Lord thy God or unto the iudg even that man shall dye and then shalt put away the evil from Israel And all the people shall ●eare and feare and doe no more presumptuously To let passe all other exceptions to AS his misapplication of this text which was directed peculiarly to the Iewes and cannot concern any other people except Papists who interpret Rome to bee the place spoken of verse 18. which God did chuse and the Pope to bee sole supreme infallible Judge Priest and Levite of these dayes to bee enquired after in matter of such difficulty and moment If this law bee of naturall and perpetual obligation as is insinuated by saying there is the same reasons for the Ministers of the Gospel it will follow that upon all matter of difference whether for blood plea or controversie verse 8. though any people even Gods owne bee never so uniustly sentenced ty●a●●i●ally enslaved and most Antichristianly persecuted they must by no meanes decline such sentence all the dayes of their life least they bee thought to do presumptuously and so be put to death What if a good number of the Great Turkes subjects should have their understandings enlightned to see the captivity and bondage they are brought into What if God should open the eyes of Papists in Spaine Italy and France to see the spirituall fornication they are ravished into and each of these Nations in a submissive Godly manner humbly implore their Princes both for all common priviledges of Nature and Christian Liberties of the Gospel If the respective Priests and Iudges instead of redressing their just grievances shall say as Pharaoh did Exod. 5. 8. 9. 17. T is idlenesse which makes them seeke for lawfull priviledges and Christian liberties commanding their Egyption task-masters to encrease both their Civil and spiritual slavery must they not according to AS his divinity and pollicy still suffer themselves and their posterity to continue Turkish bond-slaves and Antichristian Idolaters lest they be judged to do presumptuously and so be put to death Can AS avoyd this consequence Will the Priests Levites and Judges appointed in these times and Countries unto which AS binds them over remedilesse give other sentence Deut. 17. 9. Surely if the case bee so wee might well desire that God would make us Jewes to whom as I said those laws were given or send us Christian laws to govern us withall Tell me a little when Jereboam set up two calves of gold in Dan and Bethel crying out behould your Gods O Israel which brought you up out of the land of Egypt 1. King 12. 28. 29. 30. c. doe you not think hee did conjure the people not to go up so farre unto Ierusalem to sacrifice alleadging from your text in Deut. 17. 8. 9. 12. that it was the sentence of the Priest and Judges it should bee so from which they might no whitt decline lest they were found to do presumptuously Doubtlesse his plea was this from hence hee enforced his commandment for the peoples joyning with him in worshipping his Gods his Calves and had as good a warrant for it then as AS has now to say there is the same reason for the Presbyterian Ministers of the Gospel to legitimate their own inventions their Idolatry The 12. and 13. Chapters of the first of the Kings are worth reading that beholding their own in Iereboams sinnes and calling to minde Gods judgments on him they may in time repent lest a worse thing befall them But wheras you would oblidge us unrepealably to stand to whatsoever your Presbyterie degree concerning us by sacriledgiously producing and blasphemously applying those reasons and effects which were only appliable at such a time and to such a people as God was pleased to discover doubtfull cases to as by Oracle in the mouth of the High Priest chiefe Judge or Levites I may not forbeare to tell you that your Presbiterians are now noe better Southsayers then their neighbours they must either confesse to be of the same Royall Priesthood with their brethren in the masse 1. Pet. 2. 9. and so pretend no more than others or else be out of it and so be Baals Priests if any But that wee may clearely understand the full ground whereupon God required obedience from the people unto the sentence of the Priests Judges and Levites as also a commensurate reason why the people might not onely without scruple but with full and entire satisfaction yeeld such obedience as was expected from them it may bee exceeding requisite to make search into Gods originall proceedings as well before as after that hee imposed his commands upon the Jewes in this behalfe First God calls upon Moses saying that hee would send him unto Pharaoh to bring his Israel out of Egypt Exod. 3. 10. Moses excuseth himselfe unto the Lord saying they would not beleave him nor hearken 〈◊〉 him alledging that the Lord had not appeared unto him chap. 4 1. Hereupon the Lord furnished him with miracles from verse 3. to 9. and 17. 21. ordering him to take Aaron unto his assistance saying that he would bee with both their mouthes and teach them what they should say verse 12. 15. that Aaron should put upon his heart the breast-plate of Judgement wherin was Vrim and Thuminim that he should beare the judgement of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually Exod. 28. 30. Lev. 8. 8. according whereunto Iethro

prophetically no doubt counselled Moses his Sonne in Law not to ware out himselfe with continuall attendance of the people from morning untill evening to enquire for them of God but that hee would provide able men out of all the people who might judge of all smaller matters themselves and bring the greater unto Moses who was to bee for the people to God-ward and bring the causes unto God Exod. 18. from verse 8. 13. to 22. And when Moses was to bee gathered to his people the Lord required him to lay his hands on Joshua in whom was the spirit that hee might bee enabled to goe in and out before the people and stand before the Priest who should aske counsell for them in all doubtfull matters Numb. 27. 13. 17. 18. 21. The Priests and Iudges being thus miraculously qualified God commanded the people in all streights and controversies of difficulty to have recourse unto them for sentence or direction according whereunto they were required to yeeld absolute obedience without gain-saying or murmuring lest they were put to death as those that did presumptuously Deut. 17. 8. to 13. and 19. 7. 2. ch. 19. 11. 1. Sam. 9. 9. 2. Sam 24. 11. 1 King 14. 3. 2. King 8. 8. with diverse others and well they did deserve it doubtlesse when they might see such infallible evidence in these Ministeres of the Lord that it was his divine pleasure it should be so and that for their advantage too The children of Israel therefore had recourse unto them upon all occasion and the Lord kept good correspondence with them not answering them by amphibologies doubtfull and delusive Oracles but by discovering to them his will his purposes and intentions about whatsoever they enquired of him 1. Sam 22. 13. 14. 15. Jer. 23. 37. Amos 3. 7. Judg. 1. 1. and 20. 18 So on the contrary when they tooke in hand an enterprise without asking his counsell and advice we may observe it did not thrive with them it proved otherwise than they desired as when Joshua made league with the Gibeonites Joshua 9. 14. And now not to send you againe to the Jewes though you will have much a doe to finde an other Nation to which you may apply your text of Deut. 17. 8. 9. in which the sentence spoken of must either bee fallible or infallible if fallible then it followes that God required the people to hearken and bee Subject unto such sentences as might bee sinfull such as they apprehended to be unjust and sinfull such as were in themselves absolutely sinfull for all these cases might possibly have hapned upon such a supposition which were blasphemy to imagine If the sentence bee to bee presumed infallible then questionlesse God might very justly require the people to bee subject to it and impose a law unalterable after the manner of the Meades and Persians that such as would not harken to it might bee condemned to dye as one that did presumptuously Doe but prevaile then with your Presbyters in cortesie to discover to us some gleanings of their Prophetick spirit or let us see what signes and wonders God is pleased to do by their mediation more then by other mens and then whosoever will not yeeld a proportionable honour and obedience to them for my part let Artaxarxes his decree be put in execution against him whether it be to imprisonment confiscation of goods banishment or death Ezra 7. 26. In the mean time if there bee any thing of Godlinesse or understanding of a man in you dispence with such as cannot make Idolls fall downe and worship them Pag. 30 sayes the Civil Magistrate is Subiect in a Spirituall way unto the Church and that the Church is subiect to the Civill Magistrate in a Civill way But what if these different Judicatiories will not bee subject to each other in their respective spher's What if the Civill Magistrate will not learne Gods will by the Ministers of the Church as AS sayes hee must Pag. 30. What if hee become Heretical Schismaticall ● must he● not bee proceeded against by the utmost of Church censures to wit excommunication And if hee bee not worthy to remaine in the Church must hee not by AS his doctrine bee turned out or cut off from the Civill State But some perhaps will be so Court affected as to say If the Magistrate will be so who can help it w●● must suffer what we cannot remedie 'T is true we must but pag 166. you say that whatsoever the Ecclesiasticall Senate or Presbyterie is bound not to tolerate but must suppresse in the Church that the Civill Magistrate or Senate it bound not to tolerate but must suppresse in the State since he is a nurse of the State and keeper of the two Tables and since whatsoever power the Civill Magistrates have is derived from the people Who sayes there is no remedie against a Magistrate thus offending Are not both Houses of Parliament are not millions of the people enough to do justice in such a case But what if the Civill Magistrate be without not of the Church can you not with Paul be contented that God should judge him 1 Cor. 5 13. If you say 't is now too late to make such a querie and that he was admitted into the Church by baptisme so long since will he not think you repent his Baptisme and co●● such little thanks as promised submission for him unto the Church without his order and consent Nay will he not plead non-age you know there are many good lawes provided for relieving of the Pupillage in money matters Having then thus m●●acled the Civil Magistrate whilst he was in swadling cloutes you say he must now be subject to the Church and that if he be once turn'd out of the Church he must likewise be turn'd out of the Civil State Is not this the Popish doctrin of l●●●ing Subjects from their obedience to Prince or Parliament Are we thus leap't out of the Popish frying-pan into the midst of Presbyterian firebrands But I dare say you●●● stagger deny the words beeing laid unto your charge the truth is I find by this discourse that you haue a trecherous memory which hath led you into such a company of unreconcileable contradictions far worse than many theeves and harlots but if your heart or understanding had been better than your memory this doctrin had never issued Turn then to p● 166 where you say that whatsoever the Presbytery may not tolerate in the Church the Civil Magistrate must not tolerate in the State then turn to p. 179 where you say that al power is Originally in the people which makes them the supremest Magistrate of al above both King Parliament as King Parliament are above other inferiour and subordinate Magistrates Now if you know how to spel put these together this Popish doctrin besides others will clearly arise from thence to wit that if Primes and Magistrates become Hereticks they may be excommunicated if excommunicated the