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A44841 The Quakers house built upon the rock Christ Wherein neither their doctrines, principles, nor practices can be confounded, not disproved; being neither damnable, nor pernitious. As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his book called, The Quakers house built upon the sand: or, a discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious doctrins, in his answer to G.W. which to prove, he lays down seven grounds of delusion, and five arguments of damnable doctrine. But in this answer his seven grounds is proved false in themselves, ...; and his five arguments is proved to be his own false positions, ... as first, he lays down false positions, and then proves them false; and then boasts, as if he had proved our doctrines or principles false: the truth of which is herein clearly made manifest, and wherein he falsly accuseth us, he is justly guilty himselfe. Also the ten fundamentall principles or doctrines of the hireling priest-hood, ... By a servant to the Church of Christ, ... Richard Hubberthorne. ... Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3227A; ESTC R221606 34,515 47

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that the letter must give the Knowledge of the spirit when as the true Ministers said That it was the spirit that gave the Knowledge of God and of the Scriptures as all that know God will confesse Priests third Principle That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and ●hat to expect it is Diabolicall or Divelish Ans. Then there is no Knowledge of the Father to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and to expect the Knowledge of God to be revealed is Diabolicall but this is contrary to Christs words for saith Christ Mat. 11. ●7 No man knoweth the Sonne but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father but the Sonne and he to whom the Sonne will reveale him and they that would not have us to expect to have the Father revealed unto us by the Sonne this i● a damnable Doctrine and we cannot beleeve them For revealed things belong to us as the Apostle said and it pleaseth the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and it pleaseth the Sonne to reveale the Father to us and by the Sonne we know the Father and the Scripture testifies of those things but doth not reveale those things unto any And they are they which testifies of me saith Christ Iohn 5. 39. Priests fourth Principle That that which is contained or Written in the Bible which appears visibly to the externall sences is the Gospel Ans. Nay For Christ the power of God who is the riches of the glory of this Mistery which was hid from Ages and Generations which was Christ in them the hope of glory is the Gospel which the Apostles Preached Col. 1. 26. 27. 28. And the Apostle said If our Gospel be hid it is hid to those that are lost whom the god of the world hath blinded their minds lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine in their hearts 2 Cor. 4. 3. 4. Now the Gospel which was the Mistery was hid to the unbeleevers but the unb●l●●v●rs can see the Bible with their exter●all Eye and heare it with their exte●nall Ea●e and yet the Gospel hid unto them so that is not the Gospel which the naturall man with his naturall carnall externall sences 〈◊〉 s●e or heare and so these Principles is false and contrary to the Scriptures which hold such things Priests fifth Principle That the Flesh of Christ is not in them Ans. Then wh●● is that flesh which Christ saith Except ye eate my flesh and drinke my blood ye have no lefe in you John 6. 53. And whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternall life and I will rayse him up at the last day For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood dwelleth in me and I in him As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father so he that eateth me even he shall live by me John 6. 54. 45. 56. 57. Here you have made it manifest that the flesh of Christ you know not you are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as the Saints was neither doe you dwell in him nor he in you neither have ye eternall life in you by eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood But we that are in Christ and he in us as he liveth by the Father so we live by him and his flesh to us is meat indeed and his blood is drinke indeed and we doe witnesse his flesh to be spirituall and not carnall as you say and it feeds the spirituall man and so have eternall life abiding in us But you that know nothing but carnall flesh which the carnall man feeds upon as Christ said to the Pharisees so say I unto you that you have not his Word abiding in you John 5. 38 and ye have neither heard his voyce nor seen his shape ver. 37. nor known his flesh Priests sixth Principle That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall Body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it Ans. This Principle is contrary to the Testimony of Scripture for there is no such thing said of Christ in the Scriptures that he is in Heaven with such a Body For the Scripture saith there is a naturall body and there is a spirituall Body 1 Cor. 15. 44. And that there are celestiall bodies and bodies terrestriall and the glory of the celestiall is one and the glory of the terrestria● is another And that it is sowne a naturall body but is raysed a spirituall body The 〈◊〉 Adam was of the Earth ●a●thy the second was the ●ord from Heaven Howbeit that was not first which is sp●ritu●ll but that which is naturall and afterward that which is spirituall Now we say that Christ was raysed with a spirituall body and is at the right hand of his Majesty on high in a spirituall glorified body and not in a carnall fleshly naturall body For the terrestriall body of the first Adam in the transgression was naturall carnall and fleshly and this was the vile body which was to be changed And we doe beleeve that the bodies shall be changed from naturall carnall and fleshly and made lik● unto his glorious body in which he is in Heaven And this which you have held in this particular is concrary to the Scriptures and the Apostles Doctrine and also contrary to the judgement of many of your own Priests and Brethren For they hold that the bodies shall be made spirituall and that the Saints must enter into Heaven with glorified Bodies And if the Saints must be in Heaven with spirituall glorified bodies and Christ with a naturall carnall fleshly Body this is not proportionable nor according to truth Priests seventh Principle That Timothy received not the Gospel from God but from ●an viz. from Paul Ans. Then it would but have been of little effect to them that heard it from him but I shall bring in Paul as a witnesse against you in this For Paul saith to Timothy Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophosie 〈◊〉 Tim. 4. 14. so that his gift came by Prophesie from the spirit of the Lord and not from Paul though Paul was a Father unto him And againe Paul said Stirre up the gift of God which is in thee For God hath not given us the spirit of feare but of power of love and a sound mind 2 Tim. 1. 6. 7. so that Timothy received his Gospel from God by the spirit of his power and of love and from the gift of God in him he Preached and not from man her by man And cursed be the deceivers which would draw people from the Gospel of God unto mans Traditions as such Priests seek to doe Now if you had onely said that you have not received any Gospel from God
That a Star man enlighten in the night but its the Sunn that makes day Ans. A Starre is not pure darknesse for there is some light and according to the measure of its brightnesse t is pure light so thou must have another proofe then that and 〈◊〉 is more properly called darkenesse when there is not so much as the light of a Starre Another proofe is thou sayst Godly Magistrates have two-lights and so two eyes that is the light of Conscience which is as thou saith pure darkenesse and the light of Faith which I say is pure light Ans. These two Eyes are one contrary to the other For light hath no fellowship with darknesse And how can any Magistrate in this state manage justice one of his Eyes the evill eye must be put out if ever he manage justice well for the one Eye will offend the other And if thine Eye offend thee plucke it out as Christ said it is better to doe justice and enter into the Kingdome with one Eye then having two to be cast into Hest fire And this I am sure that neither Magistrate nor any other can enter into the Kingdome while darknesse is his Eye For if the Eye be evill the whole body is full of darknesse as Christ said Mat. 6. 23. But if any judge for God or doe justice for him his Eye must be single that his whole body may be full of light and fulfill Christs words Mat. 6. 22. But we have learned better Doctrine then to take Hammonds two Eyes for a perfect sight And it was this Eye in him which is grosse darknesse with which he hath Read over our Writings and so could not see to speak our own words again because darknesse had blinded his Eye And so all people may now see what light this man hath to Preach and Print withall or to prove damnable Doctrines by But good is the Word of the Lord which said That their folly should be made manifest unto all men as it now is in measure and will be fulfilled Pr. Againe thy spirit is up against the light and in page 18. thou sayst what ever a man may call the light within him if he call it the life of Christ in him yet if he live upon it as his righteousnesse for justification it is a plaine Covenant of Works Ans. Here thou sets thy selfe against the light and truth it selfe in open and wilfull rebellion but it is good for others who have formerly looked upon thee to be a man indewed with Wisedome and Knowledge of the Scriptures and now see thee so manifestly to declare against what they speake for the Scriptures testifie of Christ and saith that in him is life and the life is the light of men and his life is manifest in the mortall bodies and his life they live upon and eat his flesh and drinke his blood or else they had no life in them and living in his life we are the righteousnesse of God in him and in him are all the seed of Israel justified and shall glory And thou that saith to live upon the life of Christ is but a plaine Covenant of Works that 's blasphemy and error and the Lord hath made thee manifest Pr. Another false Doctrine hath Hammond affirmed That there are thousands in their state of darknesse that cannot follow Christ for want of light pag. 13. Ans. Then for what are they condemned Whether are they condemned because they cannot beleeve or because they doe not beleeve on him whom the Father hath sent And whether are they condemned because they cannot follow Christ or because they doe not follow him Or whether is it for want of light or for want of obedience to the light that men is condemned And is it not because they love the darkenesse rather then light when the light is come into the world Is this the condemnation that the light is not come into the world nor given to men or rather is not this the condemnation that light is come into the World and given unto men that every man in him might beleeve Their loving the darknesse rather then the light when come and given Is not this the cause of condemnation If so then Hammonds Doctrine to thousands is false Againe thou objects against G. Whitheads words because he saith that the light is greater then the conscience which is true Then thou sayst How is it that those Saints in New-England never soe the least breaking forth of it in the Indians and in Old-England hundreds manifest no other light but that of a naturall conscience and not much of that neither Ans. The Indians in New-England doe manifest more of the true light of Christ in their Words and Actions and Righteous Dealings then many of those thou calls saints there and it doth break forth to the sight of these that are among them and these hundreds i●Old-England that doe not manifest much of any light Is there ●●ne because they they doe not manifest it Doth not the true light of Christ enlighten people because they doe not manifest it to others that is thy ignorance of the light For they that manifest to others the true light by their obedience to it they shew that they have received Christ the true light and they that doe not manifest it to others they shew that they reject Christ who is the true light and is disobedient to the light wherewith he hath enlightned them and so by that which ap 〈…〉 it is manifest whether they love or hate obey or 〈◊〉 the light which Christ hath enlightened them with 〈…〉 and so the truth of what we have declared concer 〈…〉 the light will stand for a true testimony to the Lord thro 〈…〉 ●ut all generations Now is the day of Gods power where●● his light is broken forth and ●an understanding is begotten in people whereby they can see when the scorner 〈◊〉 his ignorance Thou challenges to shew Scripture that bids you look to ●●e light within you I have shewed thee many Scriptures 〈◊〉 speaks of the light within and Christ within and it is the light of Christ that thou so much hates and us for his sake 〈◊〉 if we had still continued in darknesse and ignorance 〈◊〉 thee then we should have been loved by thee for the World loves its own but because we walk in the light and bears testimony against the darknesse and works of unrighteousnesse therefore dost thou hate us and speak all manner of evill against us Now whereas in many places of thy Book thy scorne and envy and false accusations of G. W. is ●o manifest I shall let that passe and the truth of his words stand over thee for ever and when thou art manifestly declared to have spoken false things against us which thou canst not prove as that in page 18. A man improving 〈◊〉 naturall conscience is his growing up into perfection Now when thou art found false in that and that we never said so then thou