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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90976	The sun out-shining the moon, or, Righteousness excelling rottennness in answer to a lying scandalous paper, published by John Moone, entituled, The true light hath made manifest darknesse, &c. : but it is darkness put forth for light, as it will appear by that which followeth / and is published by John Price.	Price, John, Welsh clergyman.; Bownd, William. Brief discovery of the the erroneous tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name of Quakers.	1658 (1658)	Wing P3353; ESTC R43721	30,935	58

this effect Iohn Moone said that whosoever is not Eternal is external and that God onely is Eternal I said that the Devil is not external and therefore Eternal as it did follow from thy own words And I did then explain my meaning thus I do not say he is a Devil from Eternity but through or by his forsaking his first estate and habitation he became a Devil and I asked thee whether thou wouldest deny that the Devil is Eternal without end for it did follow from thy words before that he hath an end in saying that whatsoever is not Eternal is external and that God onely is Eternal for that which is external will have an end so that one of those two things will unavoidably follow that either the Devil is mortal and will have an end as all external things will have an end or else he is one with God which I deny that the Devil is one with God See now the snare which thou hast laid for me thy self art fallen therein and whereas thou sayest that I would neither prove by Scripture the Devil to be Eternal nor acknowledge that I had told a lie I refused to prove him to be a Devil from Eternity as thou wouldest have me the which I neither did speak nor mean but I offered to prove him to be endlesse I mean by the word Eternal a thing which endureth for ever as Angels and souls of men and not alwayes that Eternal invisible unchangeable the onely wise God who comprehendeth all things and nothing can comprehend him and to say that any thing else is so is blasphemy nothing is unchangeable but God nothing onely wise but the Eternal God but Angels and the souls of men do change their estates and conditions yet that doth not dissolve them Angels became Devils and men became sinners The soul that sinneth shall die and he hath made his soul a Sacrifice for sin there is a natural death and there is a Spiritual death a dying life and a living death and as thou sayest that the Devil shall be cast into the wrath of God that is true but that doth not prove him to be external or to have an end that doth prove a change of condition and not a dissolution or to have an end Dost thou know from whence or what is the root from whence the Angels and souls of men came Thou sayest that thou art come to the beginning if it had been true thou should dest have seen the end also and that between And concerning that which thou callest a reply unto an answer of Hugh Evans and my self in which thou sayest that the first principle of pure Religion was before transgression Was not this thy query What is the first principle of pure Religion And I say that before transgression there was no need of Faith nor Religion but if it had been propounded What is the first pure principle we should have returned you another answer but as the case stands now with man being a sinner we say with the Apostle Heb. 6.1 that it is Repentance And whereas you say that we deny the Testimony of Iohn you do say amisse but we say with the Prophet Isai 8.20 That if men speak not according to the word it is because there is no light in them JOHN PRICE Now I am come briefly to answer to that which Iohn Moone chargeth Hugh Evans and I with in his Book entituled The true light hath made manifest darknesse Iohn Moone begins his Book with a glorious Title The true light hath made manifest darknesse But before he went any further his Pen went righter then his confused mind for said he or Sion builded up before he said that Babylon was thrown down And true it is that such a Sion may be is builded up amongst them wherein a Babylon is yet in them to be thrown down for if ever there hath been confusion amongst any people it is amongst them but know this that as Babylon is thrown down so is Sion builded up and not Sion first builded up and then Babylon thrown down He goeth on and saith With a true answer to what the Baptists Teachers objected against him as he calls them but it is no answer to any one particular that they objected against that I know of but to his own forged or conceited lies so goeth on and towards the latter end of Page the first he falls to Prayer and well he may record it for I think it is a work he doth but seldome In his 2d Page he begins to charge Hugh Evans with saying that the true light shineth but in some not in all backs it with a lie in saying that he could not prove it but he omitted to speak the whole for when Hugh Evans and I did reason with him about the true light we did not use to answer hastily nor unadvisedly but did enquire to this effect There is the light of the Sun which is a true light in its Element also the Law of nature is a true light Rom. 2.14 For whatsoever maketh manifest is light and that Law or light which is in mans nature doth make manifest sin therefore a true light but it is not that light which was spoken of in Iohn 1. which is Christ that he denieth to be in every man He and I often denied somewhat to this effect that that true light shineth or liveth not in every man as it doth appear by our answer to their queries For further proof of this that this was our negative or denial I direct you to their second query and our answer to it which was propounded and answered about thirteen moneths before the appearance of Iohn Moones printed Paper entituled The true light hath made manifest darknesse He further saith that Hugh Evans was demanded to prove that this true light did not shine in every man but could not whereas Hugh Evans produced this Scripture to make good his denial Isai 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony And if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them from this Scripture Hugh Evans and others reasoned to this effect if all men do speak according to the word and Testimony of God then the true light shineth or liveth in all men but all men speaketh not according to the word and Testimony of God therefore some men have not the true light shining or living in them He saith further in his second Page Now see said he how contrary to the Scripture he speaketh that would deny the Testimony of Iohn but I say that that man that would make Iohn a false witnesse may well be ranked with Iohn Moone but Hugh Evans did own it and dayly did bear witnesse with Iohn of the same truth and because that there is something spoken of this in the answer to his queries I shall not speak any more of it here neither do I intend to answer to all his confused Paper no that

shall be changed for the Trumpet shall sound they that have done good to the Resurrection of life and they that have done evil to the Resurrection of condemnation Here is thy objections and queries answered by him whom the world calls John Moons This Paper which he first makes mention of I sent to him I have not the Copy of else I would have set it down here but the effect of it was this John Moone hath charged me with Balaams sin and why but because I was a Register and he pressed upon me to prove my practise by Scripture and prove a Register in the Church of God Then I produced in my Letter that Scripture Nehem. 7.5 64. which is effectual to answer what he demanded and as he is full of confusion in other things so also in this in not distinguishing between the Church and Commonwealth to be an Officer of a just Law and justly executed is no sin neither is there any more error nor covetousnesse in it then is in any other calling whatsoever and wherein he compares me to Balaam who would by Witch-craft destroy all the people of God I will not trouble my self about it but leave such a plain case to the Reader to judge of the unequality of the comparison Here followeth several queries sent by John Moone and one John David to Hugh Evans and John Price which are as followeth Now having answered thy Paper and queries we have sent these few queries to be answered by Hugh Evans and thee and all your followers and so let them be particularly answered according to plain Scriptures if any of you can or else let your mouths be stopped for evermore First query What is the first principle of pure Religion and undefiled before God and whether this pure Religion is to be attained here while men are this side grave yea or nay John David and John Moone this in brief touching your queries We answer to your first That it is repentance from dead works and that is attainable this side the grave or the natural death Be ashamed of your ignorance in asking such a question as whether pure Religion is attainable in this life Second query What that light is which lighteth every man that comes into the world and whether that light is within in the conscience yea or nay Second Answer Christ is that light and it shineth in some men's conscience and not in all for Esai saith that there be some men which have no light in them Third query Whether that light which is come into the world which is the condemnation of the world be sufficient to lead them to Salvation yea or nay Third Answer It is sufficient Fourth query Whom God spake to when he said Let us make man in our own image and where that Garden of Eden is where the Lord God put man whom he had formed Fourth Answer God spake to himself as he was Father Son and Spirit and as touching the Garden of Eden where it is and seeing you would have us to prove by plain Scriptures we direct you to the first Book of Moses and the second Chapter not because we have no more to say of it but that Ismael is not worthy of it or you scoffers Fifth Query Where is that flesh and blood to be obtained except a man eateth thereof he hath no life in him now if any of you can witnesse life declare whether it be a this side grave yea or nay Fifth Answer That flesh and blood is in the believer and he eateth and drinketh thereof Sixth Query Whether they that are Baptized into Jesus Christ his death be not made free from sin yea or nay Sixth Answer They are made free from the condemning Power of sin Seventh Query Whether there be any true Church but that Church in God and whether any in that Church were persecutors or went for the wages of unrighteousnesse Shew one Example in all the Scriptures if you can or else repent and be ashamed for the evil of your wayes Seventh Answer There is no true Church out of God but are by Faith in God neither doth that Church persecute nor bring a Justice of Peace with them to threaten those that comes peaceably to enquire and to try the truth of its doctrine as you have done to us nor do any of them go for the wages of unrighteousnesse and we do exhort you to repent of your lying in accusing us of any such things Eighth Query Where that voice is to be heard which gathers into one sheep-fold and where that sheep-sold is and whether any of them which follow the one Shepherd may be plucked out of his hands yea or nay Eighth Answer Where the true Teacher is there the voice is to be heard And where the Saints are gathered there is the Sheepfold and they that follow Christ cannot be plucked out of his hands but if any of them will leave following of him by hearkening unto such seducers as you are them they may come to ruine Ninth query Where that City of the living God and Heavenly Jerusalem is and the Church of the first born and where the Spirits of the just men made persect is and whether this may be known and witnessed this side the grave yea or nay Ninth Answer That City is where the presence of God in peace is And we shall more fully possesse it when mortality shall be swallowed up of life Tenth query Where that bottomlesse Pit is where all them that doth wickedly and forget God shall be thrown into if any of you can declare JOHN DAVIES JOHN MOONE Tenth Answer Where the presence of God is not in peace there the bottomlesse Pit is If you are not satisfied with this answer do you appoint the time and place and send us word we will give you the meeting and will reason with you provided that you will be civil Hugh Evans John Price These fore-going answers were sent unto John Davies and John Moone from Hugh Evans and my self speedily after the receiving of theirs and seeing that John Moone hath put forth a Book why did he not put forth all that had passed in writing between us but in stead of that he gathered a parcel of his own forged lyes against us as I shall make hereafter manifest Here followeth another scandalous Paper which was sent to us from John Moone and John Davies which is as followeth A reply unto the answer of Hugh Evans one of the blind Priests in Radnorshire in Wales which he hath made unto certain queries which was given unto him and John Price one of his followers by us who are known to the world by the names of John Moone and John Davies wherein their blindnesse and Ignorance is made manifest Answer Whereas thou sayest that repentance from dead works is the first principle of pure Religion herein is thy blindnesse and Ignorance made manifest unto all them which will not be wilfully blind and thou Hugh Evans art found