inventions to make void Christs commands is not the washing of the spirit the true and proper washing or is the figure in thy esteem become proper and substantial and the substance and truth become Metaphorical and not proper and is the washing away the filth of the flesh preferred before the answer of a good conscience by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and so that by thee is called not proper which is most proper and that Metaphorically which is true substantial and real for whatsoever is spiritually so is more so then that which is naturally so and that which is most real and true is most proper but herein thou apparently manifests thy ignorance of the true and proper Baptism like those who had Johns washing but knew not whether there were any Holy Ghost or not Acts 19. mayest thou not as well say that Christs blood and Christs flesh which except a man eat and drink he hath no life in him is Metaphorical and not proper though Christ saith his blood is drink indeed and his flesh is meat indeed and nourishes up to eternal life and is most proper food for the children but is not this as improper in thy judgement though Christ saith it is meat indeed mark indeed not as thou sayest of his Baptism but properly substantially and indeed but is not this as hard a saying now to many who say they are Disciples as it was of old and because of these hard sayings have not many Disciples gone back and walked no more with him Joh. 6.60 66. Again thou sayest the Baptism intended by Paul Ephes 4.5 is distinguished in the same place from faith by which God purifieth the heart Acts 15.9 and Mark 19.16 and there is no such chapter nor verse which is the inward washing and cleansing by the spirit Here thou grants again what thou seems to dispute against which is sayest thou the inward washing and cleansing by the spirit so that all that thou contends against is the word baptizing or Baptism where as thou cals it washing by the spirit but denyes it to be baptizing by the spirit so confesses it in English but denyes it in Greek but thou sayest it is distinguished from faith which washes and therefore not the spirits baptizing or washing and yet calls it thy self the inward washing by the spirit so thou art but as one that fights with thy own shadow But is not thy confusion manifest to all whose eyes are open is not this thy reason that thou gives why that baptism is not meant the spirits baptism because distinguished from faith which washes c. is not this reason as strong against the spirit and against the hope and against the one Lord and one God as against the Baptism are not all these distinguished by name though all one in nature and kind or is the Lord not God because distinguished by name and is not the spirit God because distinguished there by name and is the hope not Christ because distinguished what non-sence and confusion is here is the one baptism or one washing that is so nearly coupled to the one spirit one Lord and one God and one hope and one faith not the true or proper Baptism or washing of the spirit because distinguished from such which washes and purifies is not by the same reason the one hope which purifies not the true and spiritual hope because it is distinguished from faith which purifies and by the same reason the one spirit is not the true spirit because distinguished from faith and hope which purifies and washes as 1 Cor. 6 11. washed by the spirit but in this Argument also as well as others is not thy folly made manifest to all men that reads with understanding are all these things different in nature because distinguished by name what ignorance is this doth not thy own Argument make against thy self and thy water Baptism viz. because faith and hope and the spirit and Lord and God and Baptism are onely distinguished by name and not divided in nature or kind therefore it must needs be intended the Baptism of the spirit all these names being spiritual and onely distinguished but not divided in nature and kind is to speak of a spiritual and inward hope and a spiritual and inward faith and a spiritual and inward Lord and God above all and through all and in you all and then should thrust in in the midst of this inward and spiritual unity an outward visible water which onely washes away the filth of the flesh outwardly is not this to set up and to prefer your water and couple it with and make it equal to the one Lord the one faith the one God and one spirit and to make the want of outward water and washing to be a breach of the union with the one Lord and one God and one faith and so he that is not outwardly washed with outward water is out of the unity with the one spirit one Lord and the one God for if any of these particulars be wanting the union is not compleat but broken and therefore he that hath not the true hope in him is not in the unity of the spirit and he that hath not the true and one faith hath not unity with God nor Christ and so he that hath not the one Baptism hath not the one Lord nor the one God for none of these may be spared without the breach of the union in the whole for he that hath one of these hath all these for they are in unity together and unites all as with a bond of Peace where they are enjoyed So that thou James Pope hast at once by thy saying this one Baptism is outward water and washing condemned all the children of the Lord that are not so baptized with outward water as being out of the unity of the spirit and out of the unity with the one Lord and one God and so no salvation for them is not this to set up another Saviour or to bring in an outward corruptible creature and set it upon the throne by the Creator and so make outward washing with water to be the key to let into the Kingdom of God and unity of the spirit and without it no union with God or Christ or the spirit and so no salvation therefore said I not truely thou wast not willing to part with thy water so but like Micah Judges the 18.24 might well cry out you have taken away my gods and what have I more and why do you ask me what aileth me so now it is no wonder you cry out so much for your water seeing you joyn it so close to the one faith one Lord and the one God that if it be wanting unity with God is not known and so this is agreeable to what some have Printed that without water Baptism no salvation and is not this to make another door then Christ and another way then Christ and how much short of this thou hast
endeavoured to make outward water to be may be easily seen by the upright in heart who saith not onely it must continue because fitted to the New Testament as Circumcision was to the Old and so in like manner as the Teachers of Circumcision thrust in that upon the bewitched Galatians and said except they were Circumcised they could not be saved do not all you whose judgement this is do the same concerning your water when you say It is fitted to the New Testament as Circumcision was to the Old And do not you make Proselites by your outward water as they did by Circumcision But as if this were not enough thou saist Outward water is that one Baptism spoken of by Paul joined with the one Faith one Lord and the one God as if that outward water either lets into the union with Christ or the want of it makes void the union and yet you say in words that union with Christ must precede and fit the subject before a right can be to water and yet what it should be that should make you cry up water so much I know not seeing you have no positive Command by Christ in plain words for it except through the cunning craftiness of the old serpent who gives leave to cry up and to rest upon any thing that is outward on purpose to busie the mind upon and to blind the eye from looking at or upon any thing revealed within that onely can give the knowledge of God in Christ and manifests to the Souls its union with and compleatness in Christ Jesus both as to the true Circumcision and Baptism Col. 2.11 12. The next Question thou saist Thou understands not which was whether such do truly discern the Lords body eat his flesh and drink his blood who do imagine of the flesh blood and bones of Christ as the Jews did And yet as if thou wert concerned in the Query though thou understand it not as thou saist will return some kind of answer to it which is not the part of a wise man to give an answer to that which he positively saith he understands not as thou dost but thy answer makes it manifest that thou art not sensible of that fond imagination which runs in the minds of filthy creatures who defile the flesh for thou saist If it be meant of the believing Jews who did believe that Christ rose from the dead with his flesh and bones as himself testifies such may truly discern the Lords hody eat his flesh and drink his blood c. Doth not this answer savour of a Jew outward Or art thou mistaken as thou wast in thy former quotation when as there is neither Chap. nor vers to be found so in this also seeing thou names onely flesh and bones and the Query was flesh and blood and bones as a real man hath or dost thou imagine of Christ that he had or hath flesh and bones onely and no blood like a real man If so speak plainly in thy next Book that I may know thy Opinion in this particular and name thy proof or if it be the Errata of the Printer let thy next be rectified that thou hadst forgotten to put down the blood and so I may pass it by for the present To the next Question which is whether that flesh which is meat indeed and that blood which is drink indeed be not spiritual and that which quickneth and nourisheth up to eternal life all those that feed thereon To this thou confesseth but cannot know it but in the light no more then the Jews did who said how can this man give us his flesh to eat And it is as hard a saying now as it was then though easilier confest now because it is written and may be read To the last Query which is What is that flesh that profiteth nothing And what is that flesh after which Christ was once known yet henceforth know we him so no more To which thou returns this answer Christ in John 6.63 shews that it is the Spirit that quickneth and therefore without that all is without profit whatever is done in the flesh without the Spirit and so if you take it of being implyed in Ordinances with the flesh or outward man onely it profiteth nothing This is thy answer to the first part of the Query viz. What is that flesh which profiteth nothing Can any wise man take this for an answer to the Question or is it not a declining the Question and answering to another Question of thy own framing As if thou had been asked whether that worship that is performed in the flesh or outward man onely without the Spirit of God profiteth or not If this had been the Question then thou hadst returned an answer somewhat pertinent but the Question that thou was to answer to was What is that flesh that profiteth nothing Considering what the foregoing Question was and thy answer to it viz. that there is a flesh that is spiritual and doth nourish to eternal life all those that feed thereon then comes this Question in the next words as depending upon the foregoing Question and what then is that flesh that profiteth nothing seeing there is flesh that nourishes up to eternal life But thou in stead of giving an answer what flesh it is that profiteth nothing tells a story of what ever is born in the flesh or outward man without the Spirit profits not c. A Child that reads his Primer might have said so much by rote out of the Catechism and yet thou quotes John 6.63 as if thy answer were intended to that place of Scripture as if thou didst believe the Question was grounded upon that place which answer of thine doth manifest as if Christ were speaking in this place of worshipping in the flesh without the Spirit and instructing his Disciples that the worshipping in the flesh without the Spirit profiteth nothing which thing though true in it self yet not true in this place as being the thing Christ was at this time teaching his Disciples for he was here rather rectifying and informing of them aright seeing they seemed to be prejudiced at Christs foregoing words about eating his flesh and drinking his blood and saying at the 57. ver he that eateth me even he shall live by me and at the 58. ver This is that bread which came down from Heaven not as your fathers did eat Manna and are dead he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever and at the 60. ver Many therefore of his Disciples when they heard this said This is an hard saying Who can hear it When Jesus knew in himself that his Disciples murmured at it he said unto them Doth this offend you What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before It is the Spirit that quickneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life So that it is manifest Christs drift and scope in
this place is to satisfie his Disciples that murmured about his telling them of of eating his flesh and drinking his blood and to take them off from looking at his outward fleshly presence as if his outward flesh or outward words were that which they were to feed upon or alwaies to expect to hear but there was another flesh to be known and other work to be read in the inward man by the Spirit for that quickneth and those words are Spirit and life but the flesh profiteth nothing so by this may the enlightned understanding see and read plainly the scope and drift of Christs Words and not to be spoken in that sence which thou and others in your vain minds conceive but have a deeper understanding which the children of light are acquainted withal so that the Query yet remains unanswered by thee viz. what then is the flesh that profiteth nothing And for thy answer to the second part of the Query viz. and what is that flesh after which Christ was once known yet henceforth know we him so no more to which thou answerest To know any man or Christ after the flesh it was to know according to the natural line of Abram and so according to the first Covenant but now know we him no more that is not by a natural descent but he that is in Christ is a new Creature and all the old things of the first Covenant are passed away and all things are become new and thou quotes Philip. 3.3 4 5. and saith We will help to clear the sence of this place viz. what is that flesh after which Christ was once known yet henceforth know we him so no more By this answer to the Query thou hast but manifested thy ignorance of Christ after the Spirit for doth the knowledge of Christ after the Spirit teach to deny the natural descent of Christ after the flesh seeing it is reckoned up as one of the Israelites Priviledges viz. of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came who is over all God blessed for ever Amen Rom. 9.4 5. Or is Christ changed from what he was Or is he the same yesterday and to day and for ever And doth the Apostle Paul teach to forget the Genealogy of Christ from Abram Or hath he forgotten his love to his brethren and kinsmen according to the flesh which he saith Rom. 9.3 he could wish himself separated from Christ for them Or doth he instrust children after they are come to the knowledge of Christ no more to know their Parents after the flesh or natural descent or any other man after any natural line Surely to say so had been crime enough against the people called Quakers then might thou have had some ground to cry out of their disrespect to Superiours and of the neglect of children in not obeying their Parents and subjects in not giving honour to Magistrates and of servants in not obeying of their Masters after the flesh which in thy Book thou seems to blame the Quakers for their remisness therein and dost thou do the same thing Or dost thou go about to interpret Pauls words to such a sence Whereas he himself was so far from denying his natural descent or linage or outward Priviledge that upon occasion he reckons it up again and again and stands upon it and is not condemned for it and doth he write to the Corinthians to know no man after the natural line or descent No not Christ himself What doth Paul make void Matthews and Lukes reckoning up of the natural line or descent of Christ from Abraham Are we no more to know Christ so What do the Christians with it in their Bibles then if Christ be no more to be known so But let us see if the Apostle Paul have one word tending that way in that place thou quotes 2 Cor. 5.16 For he is speaking how the love of Christ constrained them at the 14. ver and the cause of it because saith he we thus judge that if one died for all then were all dead and that he died for all that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves but unto him which died for them and rose again Wherefore from henceforth know we no man according to the flesh for so it is and some translations read it so yea though we have known Christ according to the flesh yet now henceforth know we him no more Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature old things are past away behold all things are become new And all things are of God who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ c. James Pope what ground is here for thy conceived imagination therefore wait upon the Lord in the light of his Son that thou may be made alive by God by being his workmanship in Christ Jesus and then thou wilt know how the word henceforth in the 15. ver answers to the word henceforth in the 16. ver and then thou wilt see how such inventions and interpretations of thy own brain are some of those old things which then thou wilt behold passing away as thou becomes a new Creation and all things will be of God and in that day thou wilt know the first Covenant and its vanishing by the new everlasting Covenant which is Gods free gift but known to none who are alive without the Law and have their first husband living such must know a bitter cup and a day of death before ever they can be married to Christ Take this in love to thy Soul James Pope for this is the Word of the Lord to thee and is of nearer concernment to thee then as yet thou art aware of And for that of Philip. 3.3 4 5. it proves nothing of thy conceit and invention but rather may serve to condemn thee who art comparing outward circumcision and outward washing together as being fitted to the New Testament as outward circumcision was to the Old but we are the Circumcision which worship God in the Spirit and have no confidence in the flesh neither Faith in any outward washing with outward water but our Faith stands in Christ alone in whom we are compleat both as to the true Circumcision and to the one Baptism and to the one bread in which we have Communion together in the body and as many as are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit and are of one heart and one Soul and do not deny any of the Gospel Ordinances or plead for the abrogating of them as thou saist the Query seems to suppose but this we plead against will-worship and all likenesses and dead imitations in the worship of God for by the Gospel of our Salvation are we made alive and do not rush into Gods service without fear and the leadings of his Spirit having in times past felt by experience and smarted for having a form of godliness but not sensible of the power and a name to live and accounted as worshippers but were in the
hath part in the first Resurrection over him the second death shall have no power and he is willing that the doctrine of the Resurrection of the body of Christ as the first fruits of the Resurrection of the bodies of the Saints should be perpetuated though some say now of such as once was said of Paul Acts 17. that he was a setter forth of strange gods because he Preached unto them Jesus and the Resurrection and this query doth not altogether excuse the Author from that spirit but James here is three things for thee to prove by plain Scripture and not by thy consequences least thou be guilty of that which you of your way have charged upon the Priests 1. To prove Christ commanded water baptism since his Resurrection 2. To prove that his servants practiced it by vertue of that command after his Resurrection 3. That he commanded outward washing to be practiced after his Resurrection in memorial of his Resurrection and that the practitioners did it so accordingly all which thou seems to affirm in thy query and to take it for granted and then a more particular answer to them all thou mayest receive according to the Scripture of Truth Q. 4. Whether those that deny the Ordinance of breaking bread as it was instituted by Christ and practiced by his Primitive Saints are willing the memorial of Christs death and blood-shed should remain among his Saints until his next coming Answ Those who deny any Ordinance or institution of Christ to those of whom he required it and to that end for which he appointed it as the cause of his requiring it at their hands are transgressors and are not willing that the end or cause of his commanding it should be fulfilled or accomplished nor do not wait or look for his appearing the second time without sin unto salvation but believe they are saved though they commit sin and believe that freedom from all sin they can never attain while living in this visible world and such are not onely unwilling that the memorial of Christs death and blood-shed should remain among his Saints but are both ignorant and unbelieving that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses all that know it and believe in it from all unrighteousness and presents them perfect unto God without spot or wrinkle or any such thing and such onely as thus believe celebrate the memorial of Christs death and blood-shed as are dead with Christ and such are free from sin and such though they neither eat bread nor drink wine but feed upon locust and wild hony or are content with a dinner of green herbs such I say do truely shew forth the Lords death in their conformity to it and his blood shed in that their hearts are sprinkled from an evil conscience to serve the living God in truth and righteousness Q. 5. Whether those that say that Scripture 1 Cor. 11.26 is meant of Christs coming in Spirit do not in effect say that the Ordinance of breaking of bread was appointed for unbelievers to eat and drink damnation till Christ come to them in Spirit Answ Was it not in the same night in which he was betrayed that he took bread and is not Christ a spirit and his coming in spirit or doth he come out of the spirit or is there a coming of Christ and not in the spirit is Christ and the spirit divided or can he come and he not in the spirit and the spirit in him and where Christ is present is not the spirit there also and he in it and it in him and yet but one And doth it at all follow in sound judgement or good understanding that they who say the 1 Cor. 11.26 is meant of Christs coming in spirit must needs or in effect say that the Ordinance of breaking bread was appointed for unbelievers to eat and drink damnation till Christ come to them in spirit any more then it follows that the Disciples had no power at all because they were commanded to wait at Jerusalem for the promise of the Father and that they should receive power after the Holy Ghost was come upon them Acts 1.4.8 ver or any more then it may be said of Christ that his words implyed or that he in effect said that his Disciples had not his spirit at all in them and so were none of his when he said to them in these words how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy spirit to them that ask him Luke 11.13 and yet all that time God was their Father and they could not ask aright without the spirit and yet Christ saith how much more shall your heavenly Father give the holy spirit to them that ask him so do they who say that the coming of Christ in 1 Cor. 11.26 is his coming in spirit in effect say any more or otherwise that those had not the spirit at all or were unbelievers to whom Christ said take eat this is my body which is broken for you c. because they were to wait for a further and fuller manifestation of him in them and he went away in that fleshly appearance that he might come again unto them and abide with them for ever and this Christ prayed for and performed accordingly John 17.23 I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one c. so that to say till he come is meant of Christs coming in spirit doth no more deny or in effect say that the breaking of bread was appointed for unbelievers to eat and drink damnation c. then Christ in saying the Father would give his holy Spirit to them that ask him in effect said that God would give his holy Spirit to them that asked or prayed without the Spirit or then Christ in effect said that they who waited in their wills and in the form without the power should receive power after the Holy Ghost was come upon them or then in effect Christ should say they had not the holy Spirit at all as yet because it was to come upon them and so till he come though meant of his coming in Spirit yet doth not follow but those to whom Christ spake had a measure of his Spirit already come to them and was in them and so commanded them not to eat and drink damnation but by eating of that bread and drinking of that cup they were to shew the Lords death till he come and then when he was come who was shewed by that eating and drinking the shew needed no longer the thing shewed being come and witnessed the bread indeed and drink indeed was known and Eternal life inherited Q. 6. Whether it is not granted by those that seem to deny it that the forecited place directs the Church at Corinth to the use of an Ordinance seeing some might eat this bread and drink this cup which is also called flesh and blood unworthily but those that eat truly that flesh that is meat indeed and drink that blood
which is drink indeed are nourished up to Eternal life so that while some do eat and drink in that Ordinance unworthily and so eat and drink damnation others by faith feed upon the benefits of Christs death and blood-shed and so are nourished up to Eternal life Answ Is there any thing in the fore-cited place that directs to the use of that which thou cals an Ordinance surely in this thy zeal out-runs thy understanding seeing those be the words of the fore-cited place viz. for as often as ye eat this bread and drink this cup shew ye the Lords death till he come for so it is on the Margent shew ye what is here of direction in these words as to the use of an Ordinance as thou sayest let the wise in heart judge but doth not the Apostles words asmuch if not more signifie to the Corinthians that they might forbear their eating and drinking in that wise as they did eat and drink and their unworthiness was in not discerning of the Lords body and for that cause was many sick and weak c. and for that disorder which was amongst many the Apostle reproves them as for their greediness and drunkenness the like and exhorts them to eat at home in their own houses but he never calls it an Ordinance to be ministred once a Moneth or once a week and that alwayes by some men or man appointed by the rest in their wills and wayes some to buy wine and bread and others to break it and deliver to the rest but Christ did not do so for in the same night in which he was betrayed he took bread and when he had given thanks he brake it and said take eat this is my body this do in remembrance of me after the same manner also he took the cup when he had Supped and did he bid you do so or do you do so after Supper or can you give thanks as he did or do you know what he said when he gave thanks or do you imitate him in saying his very words in one thing viz. this is my body and do you speak your own words in other things as when you give thanks or do you take a piece of bread and a cup of wine and say nothing at all but eat and drink and if you do it not in the same manner which he did it in is it then his Ordinance or your invention seeing Gods Ordinances must be kept as they were delivered and observed as he commanded them otherwise they are none of his and if not his then but a likeness and if a likeness then that which God hath forbidden and so is Idolatry and he an Idolator that so worships and in that state cannot enter into the Kingdom of God And whereas thou sayest some might eat this bread and drink this cup which is also called flesh and blood unworthily Take heed James of calling a lie a plea for truth in love to truth remember the Title of thy book where is that bread and that cup which a man may eat unworthily called flesh and blood as thou positively affirms in thy query it is surely thou discerns not Christs body for if thou did thou wouldst learn to speak truth are not these the words of the Apostle that thou intendst viz. wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord unworthily shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord but where is it called flesh and blood surely this is a gross errour of thine not onely to call the outward bread the outward cup which an unworthy and wicked man may eat and drink flesh and blood and if flesh and blood whose flesh and blood is it not Christs flesh and Christs blood and can an unworthy man and woman eat and drink that surely no if Christs words be true and I must believe him before thee James and he saith John 6.54 whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath Eternal life how sayest thou then in thy query some might eat this bread and drink this cup which thou sayest is also called flesh and blood unworthily but where is the bread the cup which some may eat and drink unworthily called flesh and blood take heed of slandering the Scripture And then thou drawest up thy query into a short conclusion in these words viz. so that while some do eat and drink in that Ordinance unworthily and so eat and drink damnation other by faith feed upon the benefits of Christs death and blood-shed and so are nourished up to Eternal life and herein thou hast made a good confession that while some in that which thou calls an Ordinance eat and drink damnation others who live by faith and feed upon the benefits of Christs death and blood-shed and are not that which thou calls an Ordinance and yet are nourished up to Eternal life and so of what thou hast spoken this is the sum that some in that Ordinance eat and drink damnation and others out of it feed upon the living bread that comes down from heaven and have Eternal life abiding in them Q. 7. Whether those that deny Church fellowship do not forsake their own mercies seeing Gods children have found by sweet experience that it is of singular use for their building upon their most holy faith it being the place of Christs promised presence where he hath commanded the blessing and life for evermore Answ Those that deny that Church that is in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Thes 1. and that fellowship that is in the light as he is in the light 1 John â— denyes the true Church-fellowship and forsakes their own mercies and that light in which alone all the Saints ever had all their sweet experiences given them of Gods love and tender mercy to them and in that who ever walked and continued in it built up one another in their most holy faith that being the place of Christs promised presence for there he dwells for ever and out of his light none can meet with him or know him and out of that is the false Church and Church-fellowship and Christian outward and baptism outward that onely washes away the filth of the flesh but knows not the answer of a good conscience by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ for from the true light was and is the false Church and fellowship for they went out from us saith the Apostle who had his fellowship in the light Q. 8. Whether they may not most truely be said to live above Ordinances that faithfully wait upon and live to Christ in the use of them Answ They that wait upon and live to Christ in the use of Ordinances cannot be said to live above them for that which God hath appointed and Ordained as the way to Eternal life and happiness none may live above it for the the way and the life are one and he that is in the way is in the truth and in the life also
are not vain talkers nor boasts not in other mens lines but keep to their own measure of Grace and boasts not about it but knows it and keeps in it for there onely is safety and condemnation is avoided and justification is enjoyed and such are ever with the Lord and from him cannot be separated because in his Son that is Truth and in that understanding which is Gods gift in which alone Peace Justification and Reconciliation with God through him is witnessed and life Eternal inherited for evermore which all that are out of the light with which they are lighted though never so much puffed up with knowledge are ignorant of and strangers to the life and immortality that is brought to light by the Gospel in which Gospel they hear Christs voice and knows it from the voice of a stranger both within them and without them and through the annointing within them they know all things and need no man to teach them but as the same annointing teacheth them which is truth and no lye and such cannot be seduced because of the annointing which they have received whereby they savour and try the spirits whether they be of God or no for every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in their flesh is not of God Here follows some Queries for James Pope or some others to answer in Gods fear and with plainness of speech that so all that reads may be edified by his or their answer and Scripture proofs produced to witness the same 1. WHat is the first Principle of the pure Religion is it something within man or something without man 2. What is the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life to all that are or shall be saved is it something within or something without something created or something not made but Eternal 3. Whether do Abrams Children now follow his steps in making that the Rule of their Life and Foundation of their Faith which was the Rule and Foundation of his Life and whether that Gospel which is the Gospel of their Salvation now was not the Gospel of his Salvation and preached to him then in his day 4. Whether that be not a fundamental Principle in Christs Religion which a man must know and take up daily or he cannot be one of Christs Disciples and whether the Cross of Christ be not such a fundamental if it be what is it and where is it that every one that desires to learn of Christ may know it and take it up daily 5. Whether to stand still is not a fundamental in Christs Religion seeing every ones strength is in it and Salvation cannot be seen but by it nor safety witnessed but through it if it be such a fundamental what is it and how may the ignorant be instructed in the knowledge of it describe it plainly 6. Whether that is not a fundamental in the true Religion which if a man know not and be not partaker of he hath no life in him but if he do know and be partaker of he hath life Eternal whether the flesh and blood of Christ be not such a fundamental seeing Christ faith Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood you have no life in you and again Whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath Eternal Life 7. Whether the Tree of knowledge of good and evil be in these dayes if it be what is it now and where doth it grow and whether it be still forbidden to be fed upon or eaten of and when doth a man eat of it and what is that death which a man dies when he eats of it 8. What is the Tree of Life which they who keep the Commandements of God have right to eat of and what is that Paradice of God where it grows and what is it to eat of it 9. Whether he that doth not discern the Lords body daily in his ordinary eating and drinking doth not eat and drink damnation seeing not discerning the body is the cause of condemnation or whether is the Lords body discerned by some once or twice a year and other some once a moneth and others it may be once a week and some never if so be that breaking of outward bread and drinking of outward wine in such a way as some call a Sacrament and others the Ordinance of breaking bread be that alone wherein the Lords body is diseerned and fed upon 10 Whether washing of the body with outward water be necessary to salvation or that a man which is not so washed cannot be saved if he cannot whether you do not make two doors to enter into life if he may then whether he that enters in by Christ the door is not compleat in his entrance and in Christ his life as well in being truely baptized as Circumcised seeing the Apostle saith the Saints were compleat in Christ in whom they were Circumcised with the Circumcision made without hands and buried with him in Baptism wherein they were risen with him through the faith of the operation of God Col. 2.10 11 12. 11. Whether he that baptizes now with outward water must not manifest his Commission thereunto either by the same Authority that they did or by something of equal power thereunto seeing he that baptized with water was greater then all the Prophets and was sent by God to do it but saw the end for which it was appointed for he that sent him to baptize with water said unto him upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost and I saw and bear record that this is the Son of God Joh. â— 33.34 12. Whether Baptism with water was not in its full force before Mat. 28 if yea and water Baptism was still to be continued why might not Christs Disciples have followed Johns example without any new command to them as well as you follow their example as you say without another or new command to you seeing it is written John was a man sent from God to Baptize with water c. or may it not be concluded from the same reason that the Baptism of the Spirit was and is intended seeing water is not at all expressed in Mat 28 nor Mark 16. but rather the contrary for it is such a washing as is necessary to salvation 13. Whether the false Church or Apostacy consists so much in the cessation or declension from outward observances sometime practiced by the servants of God or rather in their keeping up or imitating of those outward practices in their own wills out of the same life and power by which they were once required and performed by those of whom they were required seeing it is a charge both against the Jewish Church in that they drew near with their lips and multiplyed oblations and were not charged for neglect of outwards but for resisting of the Holy Ghost as their fathers had done and in the Apostle dayes was it the want of the form or men having a form and denying the power that made the times perilous 14. Whether that coming of Christ spoken of in 1 Cor. 1.7 which some of the Corinthians were waiting for which coming of Christ the Apostle saith should confirm them to the end or were the Corinthians never confirmed and that coming spoken of in 1 Cor. 4.5 which coming is said to manifest the counsels of the heart c. was not the coming spoken of in the 1 Cor. 11.26 until which they were to do so and so seeing the former coming was a coming not yet obtained but they were waiting for it c. and whether some amongst the Corinthians did not witness the coming of the Lord as aforesaid 15. Whether the servants of the Lord now may not be forbidden by the holy Ghost to do some things now once done by the Saints as Paul and Silas were forbidden to Preach the Gospel in Asia Acts 16.6 though by Christs general Commission they were to Preach the Gospel to all Nations and be justified by the Lord in their so doing as Paul and Silas was while others run on in imitation and are condemned by the Spirit in themselves the Lord not requiring them at their hands THE END
speak truth plainly and therefore take Thomas Whites words at length as they are in his Book and may it not justly be queried how can those Baptists professe they know God whilst they are denying the light of his Son within in which the Father is revealed and by which that which may be known of God is made manifest in man seeing such hath appeared in opposition to this light both by publike Printing and disputing and if thou James Pope do not own them to be of you declare it publikely that so they may come to repentance and you be clear of their blood And whereas thou sayest the Lord in mercy hath made you to own him to be your life and light who also is leading you in the way to that light which is unapproachable c. I cannot but take notice of thy confusion who speaks like one that hath got a thing by rote but understandest not what thou sayest for is Christ your very light and life who is leading of you in the way to that light which is unapproachable and is not that same Christ that is the light and life also the way and the light which is unapproachable or is there one Christ that is the very life and light and leader in the way and approachable and another Christ that is the way that light which is unapproachable if thou knewest what thou said thou would know that the very life and light is unapproachable but dost thou not in those words manifest thy ignorance of Gods Christ the way to the Father and light of the world and life of men and by thy invention hast found out one Christ to be thy very light and life and is leading of thee in the way to another Christ which is unapproachable so that to one Christ thou art already come who is thy light and life and he is leading of thee in the way to that light which is unapproachable by this thou mayest see where thou art for in the world are Gods many and Lords many but to us there is but one God and one Lord Jesus and we know that an Idol is nothing howbeit there is not in all men this knowledge And whereas thou speaks of holy appointments and Christs Ordinances and who ever denyes them they are they which deny the light c. Thou shouldst speak plainly what those appointments are that thou intendest because you Baptists differ so much among your selves about them one saith Christ hath appointed hands to be laid on and another saith Christ hath appointed the washing of the Disciples feet and another saith anointing with oil is an Ordinance and another saith good chear or love feasts before the supper is an Ordinance and some say sprinkling is enough others say they must be dipped over head and ears and some say the bread must be cut others that it must be broken some say it must be taken and broken by him that eats it others say it must be broken before hand and given them by an officer of the Church and some say singing is an Ordinance and others say no and many other things which Baptists call Ordinances and appointments but which are thine or those that thou calls Christs appointments and Institutions thou hast not yet declared thy self seeing all these are called Christs appointments and ordinances by those who plead for them but I should counsel thee first to be reconciled to thy brethren and agree with them which be Christs appointments and which be mens inventions or mens misunderstanding of Christs words and then I may declare to thee which are to continue and which are at an end the substance being come until then take heed thou deal not with his Ordinances as thou hast dealt with his Name in calling that a plea for truth in love to truth which indeed is but a cover for deceit And you that are called Baptists above some others make it manifest your fellowship is not in the light because you have not fellowship one with another and therefore though you confess to the light yet I may say thou walks not in the light while thou imagines two Christs one to be the very life and light and the other to be a light unapproachable And whereas thou grants that it was the end of the Apostles Ministry to turn people from darkness to light and grants that many at this day tramples under foot the Son of God c. and I doubt not but all in his book that thou hast not answered thou grants and touching the Doctrine of Election and Reprobation thou saist that the people which Tho. White writes to do differ in their understandings of it and therefore shall pass it by c. Truly James thou grants so much and passest by such things that now I do not wonder thou understood not what it was that moved thee to write thy book except to see thy name in Print Art thou ashamed of thy Doctrine of Election and Reprobation how wilt thou avoid the censure of Christ saying Whosoever denies me before men him will I also deny before my Father which is in Heaven Mat. 10.33 And if we deny him he also will deny us 2 Tim. 2.12 And if you that are Baptists do differ in such a fundamental thing as Election and Reprobation how can ye be in the Faith or fellowship of the Gospel seeing it is the Election that obtains and the Reprobation that enters not And if you differ in your understandings about this how can you understand any thing aright seeing no Faith but the Faith of Gods Elect is sound and good nor no Salvation can be witnessed until Calling and Election be not onely known but made sure and yet the Baptists differ in your understandings about it And therefore must ye needs be at a loss and in an uncertain state as to your eternal welfare and happiness and alwayes lyable to be deceived for it is onely the Elect that are impossible to be deceived and therefore no marvel why you are so devided and deceived seeing you differ in your understandings about Election Hast hast hast unto the light of Christ that shines in your dark hearts that that may give you the understanding of Election and Reprobation for now it is evident that while thou and others are differing about Election and know it not your Religion is in vain and Christ the light you do not know and therefore no marvel thou speaks of one Christ that is thy light and life and another light that is unapproachable In thy fourth page thou seems to be displeased with Thomas White for cautioning of thee to take heed of deceit c. Is it not time to caution thee and others to take heed of deceit seeing you differ in your understanding about Election and none are out of a possibility of being deceived but the Elect and you and others differing in your understandings about it is it not time to cry to you Baptists above others