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A44841 The Quakers house built upon the rock Christ Wherein neither their doctrines, principles, nor practices can be confounded, not disproved; being neither damnable, nor pernitious. As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his book called, The Quakers house built upon the sand: or, a discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious doctrins, in his answer to G.W. which to prove, he lays down seven grounds of delusion, and five arguments of damnable doctrine. But in this answer his seven grounds is proved false in themselves, ...; and his five arguments is proved to be his own false positions, ... as first, he lays down false positions, and then proves them false; and then boasts, as if he had proved our doctrines or principles false: the truth of which is herein clearly made manifest, and wherein he falsly accuseth us, he is justly guilty himselfe. Also the ten fundamentall principles or doctrines of the hireling priest-hood, ... By a servant to the Church of Christ, ... Richard Hubberthorne. ... Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3227A; ESTC R221606 34,515 47

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that the letter must give the Knowledge of the spirit when as the true Ministers said That it was the spirit that gave the Knowledge of God and of the Scriptures as all that know God will confesse Priests third Principle That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and ●hat to expect it is Diabolicall or Divelish Ans. Then there is no Knowledge of the Father to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and to expect the Knowledge of God to be revealed is Diabolicall but this is contrary to Christs words for saith Christ Mat. 11. ●7 No man knoweth the Sonne but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father but the Sonne and he to whom the Sonne will reveale him and they that would not have us to expect to have the Father revealed unto us by the Sonne this i● a damnable Doctrine and we cannot beleeve them For revealed things belong to us as the Apostle said and it pleaseth the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and it pleaseth the Sonne to reveale the Father to us and by the Sonne we know the Father and the Scripture testifies of those things but doth not reveale those things unto any And they are they which testifies of me saith Christ Iohn 5. 39. Priests fourth Principle That that which is contained or Written in the Bible which appears visibly to the externall sences is the Gospel Ans. Nay For Christ the power of God who is the riches of the glory of this Mistery which was hid from Ages and Generations which was Christ in them the hope of glory is the Gospel which the Apostles Preached Col. 1. 26. 27. 28. And the Apostle said If our Gospel be hid it is hid to those that are lost whom the god of the world hath blinded their minds lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine in their hearts 2 Cor. 4. 3. 4. Now the Gospel which was the Mistery was hid to the unbeleevers but the unb●l●●v●rs can see the Bible with their exter●all Eye and heare it with their exte●nall Ea●e and yet the Gospel hid unto them so that is not the Gospel which the naturall man with his naturall carnall externall sences 〈◊〉 s●e or heare and so these Principles is false and contrary to the Scriptures which hold such things Priests fifth Principle That the Flesh of Christ is not in them Ans. Then wh●● is that flesh which Christ saith Except ye eate my flesh and drinke my blood ye have no lefe in you John 6. 53. And whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternall life and I will rayse him up at the last day For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood dwelleth in me and I in him As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father so he that eateth me even he shall live by me John 6. 54. 45. 56. 57. Here you have made it manifest that the flesh of Christ you know not you are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as the Saints was neither doe you dwell in him nor he in you neither have ye eternall life in you by eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood But we that are in Christ and he in us as he liveth by the Father so we live by him and his flesh to us is meat indeed and his blood is drinke indeed and we doe witnesse his flesh to be spirituall and not carnall as you say and it feeds the spirituall man and so have eternall life abiding in us But you that know nothing but carnall flesh which the carnall man feeds upon as Christ said to the Pharisees so say I unto you that you have not his Word abiding in you John 5. 38 and ye have neither heard his voyce nor seen his shape ver. 37. nor known his flesh Priests sixth Principle That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall Body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it Ans. This Principle is contrary to the Testimony of Scripture for there is no such thing said of Christ in the Scriptures that he is in Heaven with such a Body For the Scripture saith there is a naturall body and there is a spirituall Body 1 Cor. 15. 44. And that there are celestiall bodies and bodies terrestriall and the glory of the celestiall is one and the glory of the terrestria● is another And that it is sowne a naturall body but is raysed a spirituall body The 〈◊〉 Adam was of the Earth ●a●thy the second was the ●ord from Heaven Howbeit that was not first which is sp●ritu●ll but that which is naturall and afterward that which is spirituall Now we say that Christ was raysed with a spirituall body and is at the right hand of his Majesty on high in a spirituall glorified body and not in a carnall fleshly naturall body For the terrestriall body of the first Adam in the transgression was naturall carnall and fleshly and this was the vile body which was to be changed And we doe beleeve that the bodies shall be changed from naturall carnall and fleshly and made lik● unto his glorious body in which he is in Heaven And this which you have held in this particular is concrary to the Scriptures and the Apostles Doctrine and also contrary to the judgement of many of your own Priests and Brethren For they hold that the bodies shall be made spirituall and that the Saints must enter into Heaven with glorified Bodies And if the Saints must be in Heaven with spirituall glorified bodies and Christ with a naturall carnall fleshly Body this is not proportionable nor according to truth Priests seventh Principle That Timothy received not the Gospel from God but from ●an viz. from Paul Ans. Then it would but have been of little effect to them that heard it from him but I shall bring in Paul as a witnesse against you in this For Paul saith to Timothy Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophosie 〈◊〉 Tim. 4. 14. so that his gift came by Prophesie from the spirit of the Lord and not from Paul though Paul was a Father unto him And againe Paul said Stirre up the gift of God which is in thee For God hath not given us the spirit of feare but of power of love and a sound mind 2 Tim. 1. 6. 7. so that Timothy received his Gospel from God by the spirit of his power and of love and from the gift of God in him he Preached and not from man her by man And cursed be the deceivers which would draw people from the Gospel of God unto mans Traditions as such Priests seek to doe Now if you had onely said that you have not received any Gospel from God
That a Star man enlighten in the night but its the Sunn that makes day Ans. A Starre is not pure darknesse for there is some light and according to the measure of its brightnesse t is pure light so thou must have another proofe then that and 〈◊〉 is more properly called darkenesse when there is not so much as the light of a Starre Another proofe is thou sayst Godly Magistrates have two-lights and so two eyes that is the light of Conscience which is as thou saith pure darkenesse and the light of Faith which I say is pure light Ans. These two Eyes are one contrary to the other For light hath no fellowship with darknesse And how can any Magistrate in this state manage justice one of his Eyes the evill eye must be put out if ever he manage justice well for the one Eye will offend the other And if thine Eye offend thee plucke it out as Christ said it is better to doe justice and enter into the Kingdome with one Eye then having two to be cast into Hest fire And this I am sure that neither Magistrate nor any other can enter into the Kingdome while darknesse is his Eye For if the Eye be evill the whole body is full of darknesse as Christ said Mat. 6. 23. But if any judge for God or doe justice for him his Eye must be single that his whole body may be full of light and fulfill Christs words Mat. 6. 22. But we have learned better Doctrine then to take Hammonds two Eyes for a perfect sight And it was this Eye in him which is grosse darknesse with which he hath Read over our Writings and so could not see to speak our own words again because darknesse had blinded his Eye And so all people may now see what light this man hath to Preach and Print withall or to prove damnable Doctrines by But good is the Word of the Lord which said That their folly should be made manifest unto all men as it now is in measure and will be fulfilled Pr. Againe thy spirit is up against the light and in page 18. thou sayst what ever a man may call the light within him if he call it the life of Christ in him yet if he live upon it as his righteousnesse for justification it is a plaine Covenant of Works Ans. Here thou sets thy selfe against the light and truth it selfe in open and wilfull rebellion but it is good for others who have formerly looked upon thee to be a man indewed with Wisedome and Knowledge of the Scriptures and now see thee so manifestly to declare against what they speake for the Scriptures testifie of Christ and saith that in him is life and the life is the light of men and his life is manifest in the mortall bodies and his life they live upon and eat his flesh and drinke his blood or else they had no life in them and living in his life we are the righteousnesse of God in him and in him are all the seed of Israel justified and shall glory And thou that saith to live upon the life of Christ is but a plaine Covenant of Works that 's blasphemy and error and the Lord hath made thee manifest Pr. Another false Doctrine hath Hammond affirmed That there are thousands in their state of darknesse that cannot follow Christ for want of light pag. 13. Ans. Then for what are they condemned Whether are they condemned because they cannot beleeve or because they doe not beleeve on him whom the Father hath sent And whether are they condemned because they cannot follow Christ or because they doe not follow him Or whether is it for want of light or for want of obedience to the light that men is condemned And is it not because they love the darkenesse rather then light when the light is come into the world Is this the condemnation that the light is not come into the world nor given to men or rather is not this the condemnation that light is come into the World and given unto men that every man in him might beleeve Their loving the darknesse rather then the light when come and given Is not this the cause of condemnation If so then Hammonds Doctrine to thousands is false Againe thou objects against G. Whitheads words because he saith that the light is greater then the conscience which is true Then thou sayst How is it that those Saints in New-England never soe the least breaking forth of it in the Indians and in Old-England hundreds manifest no other light but that of a naturall conscience and not much of that neither Ans. The Indians in New-England doe manifest more of the true light of Christ in their Words and Actions and Righteous Dealings then many of those thou calls saints there and it doth break forth to the sight of these that are among them and these hundreds i●Old-England that doe not manifest much of any light Is there ●●ne because they they doe not manifest it Doth not the true light of Christ enlighten people because they doe not manifest it to others that is thy ignorance of the light For they that manifest to others the true light by their obedience to it they shew that they have received Christ the true light and they that doe not manifest it to others they shew that they reject Christ who is the true light and is disobedient to the light wherewith he hath enlightned them and so by that which ap 〈…〉 it is manifest whether they love or hate obey or 〈◊〉 the light which Christ hath enlightened them with 〈…〉 and so the truth of what we have declared concer 〈…〉 the light will stand for a true testimony to the Lord thro 〈…〉 ●ut all generations Now is the day of Gods power where●● his light is broken forth and ●an understanding is begotten in people whereby they can see when the scorner 〈◊〉 his ignorance Thou challenges to shew Scripture that bids you look to ●●e light within you I have shewed thee many Scriptures 〈◊〉 speaks of the light within and Christ within and it is the light of Christ that thou so much hates and us for his sake 〈◊〉 if we had still continued in darknesse and ignorance 〈◊〉 thee then we should have been loved by thee for the World loves its own but because we walk in the light and bears testimony against the darknesse and works of unrighteousnesse therefore dost thou hate us and speak all manner of evill against us Now whereas in many places of thy Book thy scorne and envy and false accusations of G. W. is ●o manifest I shall let that passe and the truth of his words stand over thee for ever and when thou art manifestly declared to have spoken false things against us which thou canst not prove as that in page 18. A man improving 〈◊〉 naturall conscience is his growing up into perfection Now when thou art found false in that and that we never said so then thou
THE QUAKERS HOUSE Built upon the Rock CHRIST Wherein neither their Doctrines Principles nor Practises can be confounded nor disproved being neither damnable nor pernitious As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his Book called The Quakers House Built upon the Sand. Or a Discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious Doctrins in his Answer to G. W. which to prove he lays down seven Grounds of Delusion and five Arguments of Damnable Doctrine But in this Answer his seven Grounds is proved false in themselves if they were as they are not true against us And his five Arguments is proved to be his own false Positions not according to our Doctrine and Principles As first he lays down false Positions and then proves them false and then boasts as if he had proved our Doctrines or Principles false The truth of which is herein clearly made manifest and wherein he falsly accuseth us he is justly guilty himselfe Also the ten Fundamentall Principles or Doctrines of the Hireling Priest-hood here Discovered This is given forth that all those that have wilfully and from pride and presumpt on of spirit opposed the living truth and the breaking-forth of light from the pure everlasting Fountain of life may put their mouthes in the dust and keep silence if so be for them there may be hope For the lying Tongue will God confound but the lipp of Truth will he establish for ever By a Servant to the Church of Christ which is built of tryed and living stones Richard Hubberthorne In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified and shall glory Isay 45. 25. over all the false Prophets which haue deceived the nations among whom is found the blood of the Saints The Quakers House Built upon the Rocke CHRIST c. THe holy Seed which the living Father doth manifest his Life Spirit and Power unto in all Ages hath been and is the reproach of the World and of all them that be strangers to the life of God and to Christs life manifest in the mortall bodies And though this seed be that which the Father hath blessed and hath received the truth and by the truth is set free according to Christs words John 8. 31. yet in the world from slanderous Tongues and false accusations we expect not to be free but to beare his reproaches and in the patience and power of the Lambe to overcome them for God will bring forth our Righteousnesse Truth and Innocency to shine as the light before all people whereby all hard speeches and false reproaches will be wiped away out of the Nations And that shall fulfill and accomplish that which in words we declare and in that are we known to God and shall be known to the world And now seeing that it hath pleased the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and to open the hidden treasures of his life and hath given us of his holy Spirit and the Tongue of the Learned we shall not cease to improve his gift in speaking what we know and testifie what we have seen both by holding forth the truth in the World and by testifying against that in the World which is contrary to it For now hath the living God opened the Fountain of Life abundantly and is drying up the Fountain of words where the life is wanting And the Lord by his eternall Spirit is giving an understanding to many whereby they are able to discern of things that differ and to know every Tree by its Fruit and to try all things by that measure of his light and holy spirit which he hath given them And to that which is of God in all people doe I commit my Testimony to be read and understood Now this from the meek spirit of Christ in Answer to that which from the pride presumption and arrogancy of Hammonds spirit is come forth against the living truth it selfe and the servants of it but every Tongue that riseth up in judgement against us will God confound First S. H. saith That the Quakers House is built upon the Sand c. Answer How is it then that the Sea hath so long roared and listed up its Waves and the Winds hath blown and it is not yet falne Have not you of all Professions joyned together and have not your Voyces been as the Voyce of many Waters against us And have you not been as blustring Winds which if we had regarded we should not have sowne the seed of the Kingdom As the Prophet hath said He that regards the Winde shall not sow Eccl. 11. 4. So if we had regarded your noyses uproars swelling words of Vanity lyes acensations or persecutions we had not been obedient to the Lord nor done his worke But the Lord hath made our persecutors to stumble according to his promise and his enemies are even weary with smiting of his children Ier. 9. 5. And he is giving his power and dominion to his anoynted ones of the whole Earth And hath ordained his arrowes against the persecutors Psal. 7. 13. And in the Lord shall all the Seed of Israel be justified and shall glory Isay 45. 25. in this the day of the Lords power when the life of the holy Child Jesus is appearing in the dark places of the Earth who is the Rock of Ages and the Foundation of many Generations upon which we are built and stand a witnesse against all the unrighteousnesse of men the proofe of which is not because we say so but the appearing and breaking forth of his life and the fruits of his holy spirit shall make it manifest And to all these that desire the knowledge of Gods wayes it will be known perfectly that God is amongst us and that his spirit power and presence is with us Again Sam. Hammond saith That his Book is a discovery of the pernitious and damnable Doctrines of the Quakers And for securing the Saints c. Answer A refuge of lyes will not secure the saints as I shall prove his Book to be neither can he which is in the Doctrine which is pernitious and damnable discover them in others nor to others as I shall prove in that which followeth in reply to his Book And first to begin with his Method which is as he saith First to shew the grounds of the Quakers Delusions Secondly to demonstrate the impossibility of salvation in and by their Principles Thirdly to answer George Whitheads cavills in his Pamphlet as S. H. falsely calls it First cause of Delusion S. H. A spirit of giddinesse hanging loose to the truth and the love of it c. and to prove it he saith That there is three sorts of people that turne Quakers The first are unlearned and unstable and these are they which have been ancient Professors The second sort young men and women which have been under convictions and awakenings of the Law and are come to terrors and shakings and brought into a Covenant of Works c. The third sort such who for covetous ends to
unto God Againe Samuel Hammond brings five Arguments to demonstrate our Principles and Doctrines to be damnable and its impossible for us to be saved living and dying in them First Justification by Inherent Righteousnesse a damnable Doctrine Second The not owning the Imputed Righteousnesse of Christ as the matter and formall cause of our justification Third To make our reconciliation to God to be wrought by our improving the light within and the renewing of the Image of God in us Fourth To take men off from going to the fulnes of Christ at the right hand of God for teaching and send them to look to the light within them Fifth The casting off all the known Ordinances of Christ Ans. As to all those above mentioned we have not holden any particular of them forth as our Doctrine or Principles in these words in which he hath charged them against us But as to the first this we hold that Christ is our Righteousnesse and that we are justified freely by his Grace through Faith that is in him and by it is made Heires according to the hope of Eternall life Pit 3. 7 and that Christ in us is the hope of Glory which hath been hid from Ages and Generations but now is made manifest and from that manifestation of him in us doe we witnesse him to be our Righteousnesse Justification and Life from the Dead And this is our Principle and Doctrine which to us is saving and not damnable and we living and dying in this shall never be condemned Pr. And as to the second where he charges us not to own the imputed Righteousnesse of Christ as the matter and formall cause of our justification Ans. It is a false charge against us for we never denyed any righteousnesse of Christ imputed unto us neither did we ever hold forth any matter or cause of our justification but Christ and his Righteousnesse But if Sam Hammond might in the devised words of his own wisedome set downe Doctrines and Principles for us then our Doctrines and Principles would be damnable and there were no possibility of salvation living and dying in them and so it is easie for him to set down a forme of unsound words and then confute them and falsly charge them upon us and say we hold damnable Doctrine but as we abide in him in whom we have beleeved we shall not enter into condemnation but every Tongue that riseth up against us will God condemn Pr. As to the Priests third Argument which is To make our reconciliation to God to be wrought by our improving the light within and the renewing of the Image of God in us which saith he is a damnable Doctrine and for proofe instances the Perfect Pharisee pag. 10. 11. where A. P. hath said Christ reconciles God and Man by the renewing of the Image of God in Man Ans. Now as to the first we never said that our reconciliation to God was wrought by our improving or for our improving the light within And as for Christ to renew the Image of God in us that is the work that the Father hath given him to doe and so far as the Image of God by Christ is renewed in any so far are they reconciled to God and this reconciliation of the Creature to God we never held to be by nor for our improving the light neither was it by nor for our works of righteousnesse but by Christ according to the Scriptures and the Apostles testimony 2 Cor. 5 17. therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature old things are past away behold all things are become new And all things are of God who hath reconciled us to himselfe by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministery of reconciliation To wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himselfe not imputing their trespasses unto them and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation c. now here the Apostle doth not exclude the renewing of the Image of God nor the new creature a● 〈◊〉 ●nd th●se 〈◊〉 in England 〈◊〉 For by their Do●●rin● they would have such a 〈…〉 ciliation that they 〈◊〉 never be changed nor renewed to God but the old man wi●h his deeds reconciled to God and would have Christs righteousnesse to be theirs and themselves reck●ed to be Saints while they are the servants of sin But the Apostle saith While they were the servants of sin they were fr●e from righteousnesse Rom. 6 20. but saith he being mad free from sin and become servants to God you have your fruits unto hol●nesse and the end everlasting l●fe But this Doct●ine and Scripture of the Apostle by the Priests is denyed that any can be free from sin But the Apostle twice in that Chapter tells them that they are made free from sin as ver. 18. and ver. 22. and as the reconciliation to God was wrought by the death on the Crosse the Image of God was renewed in them For saith the Apostle Having abolish●d in his fl●sh the enmity even the law of commandements tou●●ined is ordinances for to make in himselfe of twaine one new man so maki●g peace And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cr●sse having slaine the enmity thereby Ephes. 3 15 16. here the renewing of the Image of God was ●till mentioned in the work of reconciliation but of this the Priests of this generation cannot endure to heare that the Image of God should be renewed or that being servants to God they are made free from sin For where thi● Image is renewed all their Pride and Covetousnesse false wa●es and worships whereby they keep people in their sins and from knowing the new Creature or from expecting the renewing of the Image of God in them is testified against For the end of their Preaching and Printing is to keep people from the Knowledge of Christ within the light within the word with●n the renewing of the Image of God within 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 righteousnesse of Christ within And it is manifest 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 know little of this within because there is so little 〈◊〉 i● 〈◊〉 ●●●th in the world as F●uits unto God And 〈◊〉 God 〈◊〉 revealed th●se things to any whereby they bring forth the Fruits of righteousnesse 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the sight of men for a witnesse against them then they Preach and Print against such and charges lyes against them as Hammond hath done against us in telling us of the works of the Law and our own righteousnesse and of reconciliacion by improving the light within which we did never make the cause of our justification nor remission of sins but say that without blood there is no remission and likewise that without Christs life and light and the renewing of the Ima●e of God there is no salvation Now therefore that all people may be satisfied that we doe not hold that by any thing that we doe nor for any thing that we have done are we saved or rec●nciled to God