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A19656 The confutation of the mishapen aunswer to the misnamed, wicked ballade, called the Abuse of ye blessed sacrame[n]t of the aultare Wherin, thou haste (gentele reader) the ryghte vnderstandynge of al the places of scripture that Myles Hoggard, (wyth his learned counsail) hath wrested to make for the transubstanciation of the bread and wyne. Compiled by Robert Crowley. Anno. 1548. Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.; Huggarde, Miles. 1548 (1548) STC 6082; ESTC S109117 58,868 100

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grossely the● applied al thing●s to the flesh They were altogether flesh could perceiue no●hing of the spirite Christ endeuoured to teach thē the misteri of his incarnacion who being the fourme of God thought it nor obbri to hūble him selfe into the fourme of a seruaūt they would nedes vnderstande his wordes to bespokē of y ● bodie whi●h thei knew to be borne of Marie the carpē●ers wife Is not this Iosephes sonne sayed they whose father mother we knowe Howe standeth thys then wyth hys wordes when he sayeth I came from heauen But he answered their fleshelye talke saiynge Murmure not among your selues For no man can come vnto me excepte my Father whiche sente me drawe ●im and I shall rayse him in the last day It is written in the Prophete All shal be taughte of god Euer●e one that hath hearde of the father and hath learned cometh vnto me Not y ● any man hath sene the father saue only he y ● is of god He hath sen the father By this seing of the father may you easily most deare brithern perceiue what seing what eateinge comminge vnto Christe it is that is ment in al this Chapi Euen the gostly eateing seing and comeing vnto Christe For though a mā be neuer so muche of God yet shal not his fleshely eie see God And to declare hys meaning more plainly he saith He that beleueth in me hath euerlasting life Al that he hath spokē before of the eating comming seing al that he speaketh afterward is conteined in those few word●s he that beleleueth in me hath euerlastinge lyfe I am the breade of life Your fathers dyd eate manna in wildernesse and are dead Thys bread is it y ● cāe frō heauē y ● if any mā shal eate of it he shal not die I am y ● liueing bread which came frō heauen If any man eate of this bread he shall liue for euer And the breade y ● I shall geue is my flesh which I shal geue for the lyfe of the worlde Here is the whole mattier here haue we a playne promise say thei y ● the bread that Christ shoulde geue to his disciples at his maundie was his fleshe Oh blinde asses How long wil it be ere you pearce the flesh enter into the spirite Because his outwarde wordes so●ne flesh You wyl not once thinck vpon any spirit but euen as the Iewes dyd sticke styl in the flesh fleshly eatyng But because you wyl not seme to murmur contend as y ● Iewes did saiyng how cā this mā geue vs his flesh to eat You wyl beleue you say that it was a thynge very easy to do And thē you reproue y ● Iewes of vnbeleue because they wer not so grosse as you to beleue that Christ would thrust his natural bodi into a peice of bread that thei might without grudge of stomack eat it You declare your selues neither to sauour the spirit nor yet to vnderstand the phrases of the letter The Iewes could take the phrase a right saye howe ●ā this mā g●ue vs his flesh to eat Thei doubted not how he should geue thē his fleshe in the fourm of bread for thei knew y ● after y ● phrase of the Hebrue tong he ment by bread food As thoughe he shoulde haue sayde You re fathers were fedde in the wildernes with Manna and yet they are dead but the foode wherewyth I shal feede you is my flesh not that you shal eat it as your fathers dyd Manna and so dye but I will geue it for the lyfe of the worlde so that if you wyl beleue and putte youre trust herein for that is the eatynge of my fleshe you shall neuer die the death of the soule for the bodye is mor●al and must nedes dye That this was his meanyng is playne by the answere that he gaue to their contention Certes sayeth he I say vnto you except ye eate my fleshe drynke my bloud you shall haue no lyfe in you Who so eateth my flesh and drinketh my bloud hath euerlastyng lyfe and I wil rayse him vp at the last day And then he openeth the phrase of the Hebreue more playne and saythe My fleshe is very food and my bloude very drincke he that eateth my fleshe and drinketh my bloud tarieth in me and I in hym And as my liuynge father sent me and I liue through hym euē so he that eateth me liueth through me ▪ Now tel me you fleshmongers if the Iewes hadde then torne Christ in peaces with their teth and eaten him euery morsel should they haue liued through● hym Oh beastly blynd This is the fode that came from heauen Not as your fathers dyd eate manna and are deade but such as ●ate ●his tode shal neuer die If this be spoken of the sacrament howe agreeth it wyth the wordes of s. Paule to the Corinth who so ●ateth this bread and drinketh this cup vnworthily eateth drinketh his owne iudgement Howe chaunced it y ● Iudas was not saued by it Howe can youre pristes that breake they faste with it dayely be damned Yea if this be spoken of the sacramēt then is that also spoken of the sacrament when he sayeth Excepte you eat my fleshe drincke my bloud you shal haue no life in you And thē how could the thefe y ● was crucified w t Christ be saued For I am right sure he neuer receiued the sacrament Yea in what takeinge be all the children yonglinges that die before they come to yeres of discrecion to receiue this sacramēt Thus maye you se deare bretherne howe 〈◊〉 these men are from the spirite and yet they woulde seme so spiritual y ● they haue captiuated all theyr senses reasone also to beleue the thinge that was neuer taught and that after suche sorte that they declare them selues therin to be moost f●eshely nothinge perceyueinge the wordes of Christe when he sayeth The wordes that I speake are spirite and life It is the spirit that geueth life y ● flesh profiteth nothing Nowe frinde Hoggherd I thinke you be ashamed of your misreporting of this piece of scripture or if you be pas●e shame yet I truste the godlie minded do so plainelie perceiue your slender iudgemente herein that they wyll g●ue you leaue to lye tyl your tong faile you ere thei wyl credite your wordes But nowe commeth the hardest piece of worke into hand Yea and so clearkly handled as you thinke that no mā can be able to auoide your reasones At his last supper you say Christe toke breade blessed it brake it and gaue it to hys disciples and bade them take and eate this is my bodie And then to shewe them what bodye it was saye you that he ment he added these wordes Wh●ch● for your synnes shal be broken Then subtyle ly you aske thys question What bodie saye you was it that was broken for our trespas And then you phantasie wyth your selfe that we wyll not saye a
a minister It is god y ● doeth the dede But I praye you syr by your leaue Whose membre is he Paule sayeth that who so toupleth hym self● wyth an harlot is the mēbre of an harlot and he that worketh vice is the seruante of synne then tell me I praye you whose minister he is The mēbre of an whore the seruaunt of sinne and the minister of Christe Non coherent The●e thinges agre not It is necessarie that they be fyrst mēbres of Christ and afterward● ministers But here your counsailours wil say for I take them to be more subtile then you bi reasō y ● they are trained in a more subtile kind of liuinge then you are that the wycked ministers in the church are the ministers of God as well as the godlye For Iudas whoe was by the testimonie of Christ a dyuel was notwithstandeynge Christes minister and Apostle Ye● he cured diseases and wrought other miracles as well as the othere Apostles dyd Cracke me thys nut saye you Forsoeth syr you shall son● haue it cracked and I beseche God the kernell maye do you good I graunte that as Iudas was the minister of Christe and wrought miracles so are all priestes that do resemble Iudas the ministers of Christ as Iudas was and maye do all that Christe hath comaunded them euen as he dyd Iudas was a dyuell but not 〈…〉 Iudas beynge presente that one of them whiche put his hande into the dishe with hym shoulde betraye him the disciples beganne to ●ske him one after an other whiche of them it was Is it I sayde one is it I saide an other They sawe nothing in Iudas his conuer●acion wherfore they shoulde suspecte hym more then them selues But your sacrificeinge priestes are so far gone that their conuersacion declareth them to be the membres of the diuel and the ministers of ba●●e They are of those priestes to whom God sayth by hys prophet You offer defyled bread on my aultare and yet you saye Wherin haue we poluted the Euen in that sayth the Lorde you saye the table of the Lord is but a vyle thynge What other thing I praye you do your sacrificeing priestes They ●an not a byde the Lordes table nor the Lordes supper they muste haue an aultare and sacrifice Thei can not be content with communion ●t the Lordes table accordeinge to the fyrst institucion in honeste apparayle but they muste haue a priuate Masse in masking cot●s bashed full of turnes halte turnes be●keinges duckinges crosseyng●s kysseynges tosseynges and tumblinges besydes the irreuerent breathynge out of wordes vpon breade and wyne and thē holdeynge them vp to be worshiped as goddes Yet once agayne marke the wordes of the prophete Which of you sayeth the Lord shetteth the dores and setteth fyre on mine aultars ●●thout hyr I haue no delite in you sayth the Lorde of hostes and wyll receyue no gyfte at your hāde Nowe tel me whether these wordes agree not wyth your priestes prouerbe No penye no pater noste● Let me se if your 〈◊〉 will do this heauēly worke of theirs without hire Yea will they not compel men to giue thē wages for doinge it Howe saye you by the Masses at burialles are not men constrayned to haue them and to paye for them It shal not nede to reherse their dirige grotes mariages monie christeninge crisomes beadrolle bribes and suche other pillage If the kynge shoulde take of euerie hoseling person as they cal thē yerely .ii. pēce as they do at easter what would be sayed trowe you If he shoulde suffer none to be maried without a tribute what gurdgeinge woulde ther be amonge the people Well I saye no more but the plage of God shall fall vpon th●se hir●lings and make them dispised of al nacions because they haue not kepte the wayes of the Lorde But nowe for your text of scripture do this in the remēbraūce of me whervpon you grounded your folishe faith of consecratinge and sacrifi●eing priestes we must first consider what it was that Christ bade them do in his remembraunce Consecrat his bodie and bloude say● you for that was the thinge that he hym selfe dyd But they that vnderstande the thynge aright say that he commaunded them to deuide breade and wyne amonge them as he had done immediatly before For Paul speakyng of the same thinge sayeth So often as you eate this breade and drincke thys cup you shall declare the death of the Lorde till the come The eateinge of the breade therfore and dryackeing of the cup are the thinges that Christ commaunded his Apostles to do in hys remembraunce and not the consecrateinge of his bodie and blonde as you saye So oft as ye shall do these thinges saith Christ ye shall do it in the remēbraunce of me As though he should haue saied So ofte as you shal come together and be partakers al of one breade and cup to thentente to declare your selues therby to be al members of one bodie through the fayth you haue cōceiued in me you shall do it in the remēbraunce of me the onely head of the bodie wherof you be mēbres callinge to your remēbraunce this thinge that I haue here done to certifie you of your redemption by my death bloud shed●ing and that euery one of you is as well pertaker therof as you are of this breade wine whiche I haue deuided amōgest you This is y ● true meneing of do this in the remēbraūce of me not as you phanta●ie geueing powre to priestes to consecrate Christes bodie and bloude Wel now you procede thinke to wine your spores by vanquisheing a mā of armes of your own appointing For I neuer knewe any that was so folishe o●lesse it wer one of your teachinge y ● would say y ● this sacramēt was noght els but a signe of christs passiō For we aga●st whō you fight so manfulli do beleue confesse that it is in significacion the veri bodi bloud of Christ y ● is the natural proprites therof cōsidred spiritually applied do declare vnto vs the efficacie strēgth of y ● bodie and bloude of Christ in geueing life to our soules the couplinge of vs together into one bodie by faieth These a● things of great importaūce valure in y ● cies of y ● spiritual mēbres of christ though in your fleshely eies whiche cannot dicerne the thing of y ● spirit thei be vile and of no valure Well you go forward with the triall of your mastries with your owne manne and laye sor● to his charge with certayne exampls The pascall lambe you saye whiche was offered in the old law was an onely figure of christs offring wherin you help● the scripture for it was als● a remembraunce of the deliueraunce out of Egipt But to our purpose another exemple you b●inge of the rocke of stone out of the whiche flowed water and that stone you saye figured Christe and that is true But I thynke it a mā should aske you
can be equal of value with the body If Christ therfore daily offred vp be the remēbraunce of his bitter death then is his bitter death better then he himself And yet you haue not all done with Christes longyng One thyng you say you woulde haue noted by the way And that is that Christ longed to eate the passeouer with his disciples not onelye to fulfil the lawe but also to shew them more of hys wyl which was that he would geue thē a perfect pledge of eternall lyfe according to his promise made to them before as is mencioned you say in the. vi of Ihon geuynge his fleshe to be communicate that they myght therby be incorporate in hym and he in thē And thē you ioyne hereunto his thrustyng on the crosse And vpō this longyng and thurstyng well and clarkely you gather the greate desire that Christ had to ful●yl his promyse that he made when he said The bread that I shall geue is my fleshe ☞ Men of learnynge and iudgemente in the scriptures may easely perceiue your ignoraūce in this matter I wil not therfore go aboute to opē it to them But for their sakes that be not yet fully grounded in the true vnderstandynge hereof I wyl take sōwhat more paynes in the openyng of this ignoraunce of yours nowithstandyng that I haue spoken somwhat largely of the mattier in the confutation of the former parte of your answere wher you claymed thys promyse of Christ as you do here ☞ Marke therfore good christian brothers to you I speake y ● ar not yet so fully instructed in Christ but that you sauour somwhat of the Phariseis leuen yet would gladly be deliuered from the blyndnes of errour marke I ●ay how far wide this man is from the true meaning of Christ in this place He hath non other occasiō at al to appl●e this piece of scripture to his purpose but only for that ther is bread men●ioned It fareth by hym euen as it doth by the patrons defēdours of Purgatorie For whersoeuer he findeth bread named in the scripture ther he laith a straw as a marke to 〈◊〉 his cōmune places by euē as thei did whē th●i found ani mēciō of fire Ihō Frith hath opened their folly at large in his dispu●atiō vpō Purgatori Would God I were able to do hal●e so muche in this matter ▪ But take it in good parte deare brethrē that I shal writ And if you shal find it consonāt agreable to the scriptures then embrace it and geue God the thankes otherwise hold it accur●ed and do not once opē your eies vpon it For the mo y t should embrace my doctrin being vngodl● the greater should my dam nation be But being assertained by y ● spirit of truth that I teach nothing but that I fynde in the boke of truth I am bold to byd you mark and learne the true vnderstandynge of these wordes of our sauiour Christ The bread that I shal geue is my flesh ¶ Our sauiour Christ perceiuing y ● the fleshlye minded Iewes ●oloed him more for y ● thei had eatē the loues which he had multipli●d then for the miracle or wonder y ● he had wrought ●oke occasion at ●he questiā which thei asked him saiyng Rabbi or Mayster when cāmest thou hyther as who shoulde saye we haue sought and layd wayt to knowe howe and whan thou shouldest passe the sea but we coulde not perceyue any ship prepared for thy passage Hast thou therefore cōueighed thy selfe ouer by miracle as thou diddest multiplie the fiue loues He toke occaciō I sai here a● to declare vnto them that all hys wordes and dedes are to be loked on with the spiritual ●ie and not with the carnall And euen at the firste he sayeth vnto them Ye folowe me not because you haue sene the wonders But because you haue eaten of the breads and are satisfied As who shoulde say you pretende a wōderous desire to se the wōders that I work ▪ as men that woulde therby be allured to embrace and folowe my doctrine but youre intente is none other but to be fed at my hande and so to lyue Idlely without labour and trauaile more then to wander vp and downe after me But I shall tel you what you shall do if you wil folowe me Worke for the meate that perisheth not but that remayneth into lyfe euerlastinge which meate the sonne of man shall geue you For this is y ● meat that god the father hath appoynted Then sayed they What maye we do to worke the workes of god He answered vnto thē in this wise This is ▪ the worke of God that you beleue in him whome he hath sente Thē brake they out in theyr owne likenes and agaynste theyr wylles vttered theyr faulse dissimilacion sayeinge What myracle workest thou therefore that we maye se it and beleuethe What workes doste thou Our fathers eate Manna in the wildernes as it is written He gaue thē bread frō heauen to eate But our sauioure sayd vnto thē Moises gaue you not 〈…〉 or verie bread in dede frō heauen For y ● is the true bread y ● descended frō heauen geueth life to the worlde Then sayde they Lorde geue vs this bread alwayes These mens mynd was altogether vpon materiall breade Let vs neuer lacke this bread say they Well Christ maketh them answere I am the bread of lyfe sayeth he who so cōmeth vnto me shall not honger and he that beleueth in me shall neuer thurste But I haue told you that you haue both sene me and not beleued Here may you learn to eat the bread y ● Christ speaketh of It nedeth you not to prepare tooeth and throte nother bealye nor stomake but beleue you shall not ●onger nor thurst You shall haue plentie of his heauēly foode He that commeth to me sayth Christ he that beleueth in me To come vnto Christ and to beleue in Christ is all one thinge as appeareth by the wordes folowing Euerie thing that my father geueth me shall come vnto me and I will not caste him out that cometh vnto me For I descended frome heauen not to do my wil but his will that sent me And thys is the wil of mi father y ● sēt me that I should not lose ani thinge y ● he gaue me but that I should ●ayse it again in the last day Yea this is the wyl of my father y ● sente me y ● euery one that seeth the son and beleueth in him should haue life euerlasting I wil raise him at the last day He that seeth the son and beleueth in him To see and to beleue to eate and come to Christe is all one thyng The Iewes therfore murmured at his wordes in that he sayed I am the liuinge breade that descended frome heauen and they sayde Is not this the sonne of Ioseph whose father and mother we knowe How sayth he thā y ● he descended frō heauen Behold these carnal Iewes how