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A08425	A reproufe, written by Alexander Nowell, of a booke entituled, A proufe of certayne articles in religion denied by M. Iuell, set furth by Thomas Dorman, Bachiler of Diuinitie: and imprinted at Antvverpe by Iohn Latius. Anno. 1564. Set foorth and allowed, according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions; Reproufe of a booke entituled, A proufe of certayne articles in religion denied by M. Juell	Nowell, Alexander, 1507?-1602.; Dorman, Thomas, d. 1577? Proufe of certeyne articles in religion, denied by M. Juell.	1565 (1565)	STC 18741; ESTC S113385	180,927	268

hym alleged moste euidentlie againste hym and that moste falsly vsurped supremacie of the pope You haue heard how contrary his witnesses be twoo against one and that one either not so writyng as is alleged by M. Dorman but falsified or forged as so writyng by the Popes commen corrupters and falsaries of al writers and writynges or if so writyng yet vnworthie credite euen by his owne lawe as partiall in his owne cause and otherwise to be suspected for that his testimonie is in diuers copies found not onely diuers but cleane cōtrarie vnlesse M. Dormā thought he might put in and out this woorde non not as a little sillable and nothyng materiall at his pleasure And further the saied witnesse who so euer he be beyng but one is confuted as you haue hearde by the veredicte of twoo witnesses moste worthie of creadite brought in with hym for testimonie of the same matter You se therfore not onely no necessitie but an impossibilitie of such an one onely head aswell of the churche dispersed throughout all the worlde as of one onely king or prince of all the worlde it self You sée there was no suche opinion muche lesse knowledge of any suche head emōgest the Apostles or in the primitiue churche but that it is a newe deuilishe deuise of the late ambitious Bishoppes of Rome who when thei were neuer able yet hitherto well to rule the churche of Rome one citie as by all histories and experience is euidente would yet of the worlde vsurpe the superioritie supremacie And if S. Paule didthinke he was not méete to haue charge of one Churche who could not well gouerne his owne house of what monstrous ambitiō and presumption is he trowe you who neuer yet able to gouerne one peculiar churche dooeth claime and would take vpon him the regiment of all churches throughout the whole worlde Wheras he is not able were he thereto required to tell the onely names of a small parte of the saied churches neither knoweth in what part of the world a great many of thē be Dorman fol. 6. I can not heare staie to examine curioussie euery worde in these auncient fathers but leauing that good readers to your discreatiō and not doubtyng but that in these graue witnesses in a matter of suche weight importaunce as wherevpon dependeth the healthe of the whole Churche you will be no lesse diligente then you would bee in examinyng the depositions of your owne witnesses or your aduersaries in a triall of landes or other temporall commoditie Nowell M. Dorman is in haste and lacketh leisure for the examination of these matters there is some plaie belike towardes and his par●e therein the busieste of all other and therefore you must examine these witnesses your selues and that with more diligence then you would dooe in controuersies about landes or worldie matters Now surely M. Dorman a little examinatiō will serue to trie out that you and all your felowe collectours and ouersears of this booke were either of hast shamefully ouerséene or so ignoraunte that you could not sée though you had had good leisure or moste impudēt and shamelesse so that you cared nothyng what or how you did write so it were some thyng or els all three together And had you doen well you should all haue bestowed your leisure and cunnyng together in some one piththie booke if any thyng can be piththilie written of suche leude and trifelyng matters as you take in hande to maintaine rather then by launcyng out suche hauocke of bookes like to this yours and moste méete for you in poste pase as though all speede were in the haste onelie to gette for the tyme the commendation of celeritie and readinesse either of your fanourers altogether blinded with partialitie or of such vndiscreate readers as delite moste in moste trifles and withall to obteine a perpetuall note and blotte of greate ignoraunce mixed with more shamelessenesse and impudencie in the opinions of all wise and learned men For it will fall out M. Dorman that you alone shall bee more able to write and sende vs ouer a doosen suche bookes at this is by the leisure and facultie that you haue sufficiente enough thereto then D. Hardyng and you with all your adherentes shall bee able to maintaine one little pa●cell of this your or his booke as truelie and sincerely written So mucke harder it is either to write a little well and truelie or to defende a little of muche written lightlie and falselie then to write neuer so many and so greate bookes bothe lightly leudely and falsely too suche as I trust it shall appeare to the worlde this booke named woorthily yours is in deede M. Dorman Dorman fol. 6. I shall procede to the consideration of the seconde reason whiche before I touched of the people of Is●ael if I firste warne you to consider but this by the waie that ye maie truste those aunciente fathers by their woorde the better an other tyme how many schismes bee burste in apon vs in our countrey of Englande for one common receiued truth in the daies of our fathers when we remained in the obediēce of one chief priest and iudge whiche shake nowe so miserablie the same how quietlie in one loue in one truth in one doctrine in one Churche in one heade thereof God almightie and his minister vnder hym appoincted ouer the same weliued then and other in other places dooe now Nowell Yet for all the haste M. Dorman hath he will by the waie warne you to credite the aunciente fathers by hym alleged The same dooe wee also desire of the discreate readers that thei will creadit those auncient fathers who though alleged by M. Dorman beyng directlie against hym doo declare that he is woorthy of no creadite at all And he doeth vniustlie charge England specially with so many schismes where it is well knowen that there is as muche consente in true doctrine in the churche of Englande at this tyme as euer was in any realme at any time And though there were not a perfecte consent of all men in all poinctes what marueile yet were it if that should happen emongeste vs whiche was not altogether lackyng emongeste the Apostles themselues Let the contētion betwéene Paule and Peter and betwéene Paule againe Barnabas be a proofe thereof What woonder if that were emongest vs touching some poinctes that was not wanting in the primitiue churche emōgest the olde fathers Let the variaunce emongeste the bishops assembled at Nicene councell let the contention betwene the bishops of the Easte and of the Weste churche aboute the keepyng of Easter daie a matter not woorthie of suche variaunce bée a witnesse thereof Let the sharpe contētion betwéene S. Chrysostome and Theophilus bishop of Alexādria and Epiphanius bishop of Cyprus the bitter strief betwéene S. Hierome and S. Augugustine and betwéene the saied S. Hierome againe and Rufine and like contentions betweene the beste men of all

one man no lesse truely then pleasantlie saied are like a nose of Waxe whiche will suffer it self easilie to bee drawen countredrawen and framed whiche waie ye liste and as a certaine rule of leade of the Lesbian building the which it is not harde to apply wherto ye will And againe the same Pighius in an other place saith We haue shewed before that the scriptures maie easilie be drawen euery waie and like a certaine Leaden rule maie without difficultie be applied to euery wicked sentence Thus farre Pighius speakyng it twise or thrise as thei saie as is meete for so woorthie a matter Now compare me the estimation and saiyng of the Scripture vsed by this Papiste with Suenkfeldius his speakyng of it The scripture saith Suenkfeldius is not Gods worde but dead letters Pighius saith the scripture is like a nose of Waxe like a rule of Leade Is Swenkfielde callyng the scriptures dead letters more wicked then is Pighius blasphemous in termyng it a nose of waxe and withall saiyng that it is so called as truelie as pleasauntlie Suche a pleasure hath this piuishe Papist in deridyng of Gods woorde Is it more to be abhorred that Swenkfielde saieth the scripture is but deade letters then that Pighius calleth it a rule of Leade Is there any thyng more dull and deade then is Leade Is there moreouer any thyng more vncertaine then a long latthe or rule of Leade readie to bend and boow euery waie Swenkfielde saieth the Scripture is but dead letters Hosius your great estate for learnyng and vertue beyng verie busie in the ende of his fourth booke againste Brentius in comparyng the Gospell written in paper and ynke with the churche whiche he calleth the liuelie Gospell as though the other should bee called the deade Gospell goeth as nere to Swenkfield as .iiij. pence doo to a grote And where he would faine haue vttered his stomacke plainely againste the scripture whiche hath so shreudlie vexed the Pope and Papistes and durst not yet he saieth thus muche Scriptura quomodo profertur à catholicis est verbum dei quomodo profertur ab haereticis est verbum diaboli The scripture as it is alleged or vttered by the Catholikes to witte Papistes is the woorde of God but as it is vttered of heretikes meaning vs it is the woorde of the Deuill Thus would Hosius by a leude imitation of saincte Hieromes woordes vsed in his vehemencie perswade the people to thinke that the Scripture vttered by any but Papistes onelie is the woorde of the deuill But the Scripture of it self is euer Gods woorde in deede though the abuse thereof bee Deuilishe and therefore Hosius by hatred of the Scripture ouerreaching hymself dooeth in deede speake thus of it vntrulie And as the Scripture is neither nose of waxe nor Leaden rule nor the woorde of the deuill for that it pleaseth Pighius or Hosius so to name it no more are wee heretikes for that it pleaseth them and other aduersaries maliciouslie so to terme vs neither bee thei themselues by and by Catholikes because thei falselie so misname themselues It is not their onelie saiyng and proouyng of nothyng that can make either vs to bee that we bee not or them not to bee that whiche in deede thei are the verie Synagoge of Satan whiche is by the light of Goddes woorde made manifeste and prooued in suche sorte now in our daies that a good parte of the Christian worlde perswaded thereby hath forsaken their Satanicall secte of Papistrie and ioygned themselues to the sincere doctrine of the Gospell whereof riseth all this their deadlie hatred and blasphemous misnamyng of the Scripture To proceade Suenkfeldius saith No more accompt is to be made of the scripture then of any other creatures emongst the whiche thei are to be rekened What saith the hoggish Papiste Pighius The scriptures maie be framed drawen and redrawen this waie that waie euery waie and applied to euery wicked sense or sentence and therefore as it seemeth by his iudgemente the Scriptures are not onely not profitable as be all Gods creatures to the whiche Suenkfeldius dooeth compare them but are hurtfull and deceitfull also appliable to euery wicked sense like as is a longe lithie Latthe or rule of Leade to euery crooked wall suche a rule as hetherto neuer did yet good Carpenter vse I trowe and like a nose of ware suche a creature as was neuer by God made Wherefore the Papistes are not onely in blasphemous woordes against the scriptures like to Suenkfeldius who compareth it to other Goddes creatures but in scoffing against the woorde of God in suche abominable sort and comparyng it to suche leude instrumentes and madde members as are leaden rules and warē noses are more horriblie blasphemous then euer was Suenkfeldius And whereas Pighius had a naturall nose and other mēbers of his bodie by the vertue of Gods woorde and yet in mockage dooeth compare Gods woorde so beneficiall to him to a nose of waxe by his swinishe tongue vttring suche blasphemous woordes it is greate pitie that he had not had accordyng to his Pighishe name an hoggishe groine in steede of his nose a swinish body accordingly that he might altogether as he was hoggish in minde so likewise in outwarde shape of bodie also haue answered fullie to his swynish name No lesse contemptuously and contumeliously also speaketh Hosius of the Scriptures who answearyng Brentius alleadgyng that kynges also had to doo with gods woorde and prouyng the same by the example of Dauid and Salomon kynges of Israel who by the motion of gods holy spirite put in writing those godly psalmes and heauenly instructions whiche haue béen of all ages and times accompted in the body of the Canonicall scriptures hath these woordes Scripsit Dauid psalmos aliquot si quid Athanasio credimus quinque tantùm Qui ni scriberet ne nunc quidem regi prohibetur aut principi quo minus aut rythmos aut Psalmos aut carmina scribat quibus Dei laudes celebret Scribimus indocti doctique poëmata passim Whiche in english is thus much to saye Dauid did write a few Psalmes if we geue any creadit to Athanasius but fiue onely Why should he not so write neither is a kyng or prince forbidden at this tyme but he may write rimes or Psalmes or verses to prayse God therby Learned and vnlearned write poetries euery where Thus farre Hosius who is not content to the derogation of the authoritie of kynges and the Scriptures ioinctly to compare Dauid his psalmes beyng of vndoubted authoritie as writen by the inspiration of the holy ghost and of the body of the canonicall scripture and approued alleged by our Sauiour Christe with rimes onely written by Princes in our daies but also by a blasphemous derision to matche them with fabulouse poesies writen by learned vnlearned it maketh no matter with him I am sure had any writen or sayd so muche in goddes churche vnder the olde lawe

agaynst the Prophetes Psalmes or the lawe for so Christe doth diuide the holy Scriptures of the olde Testament as here hath Hosius written he should according to the iudgement of the lawe haue like a wicked blasphemar be stoned to death But blasphemie against God and his holy scriptures is with our aduersaries a sporte Dayly and most horrible blasphemies against Christe are suffered in the Iues by the Pope and they neuerthelesse remaine the Popes friends specially in néede of money Onely a woorde against that false vsurpar of Rome and his leude traditions is auenged with swoorde fagot and fire moste cruelly vpon those that doo professe Christes name and all the articles of the Christian faith Whiche emongst many others is not the least proofe that y e Pope is Antichrist for that he doeth therby declare that he preferreth him selfe and his owne traditions before Christe his gospell auenging himself so extremely vpon the cōtemners of his said traditiōs and permitting blasphemers against God our sauiour Christ the holy scriptures to remayne not onely vnpunyshed but also his deare friendes But lette vs procéede with M. Dormans rehearsall of Suenkfeldius heresies The holy ghost vseth to come from aboue vvithout the help of meanes as hearing preaching or reading the scriptures VVe must looke to be taught from heauen not out of bookes saith Suenkfeldins Doo not you Papistes say the same haue not you geuē ouer preaching of gods woord your selues barred the people from reading hearing of it by your crueltie close keping of it in a language vnknowen to the people and burnyng the bookes of the scripture transiated for the peoples vnderstanding Are not you the right heyres of those Phariseis whom our sauiour speaketh of that haue taken away this key of knowledge of goddes woorde and neither will enter in your selfe nor suffer other that would to entre And thus laying aside preaching your selues and burnyng other that doo preache and barryng the people of God from reading and hearyng of his woorde you doe saye euen as did Suenkfeldius that the holy ghoste vseth to come from aboue into your Popishe churche without all helpe of meanes as hearyng preaching or readyng of the Scriptures whiche you will by no meanes suffer so to be vsed in the churche as it may be vnderstanded Are not you those who contrarie to goddes commaundement that the booke of the lawe should not departe out of the handes and from the eyes of his seruauntes haue either suche bookes as fewe can vnderstande either burne such bookes of gods law as all may vnderstand for that you will not haue them to learne of goddes booke but onely of suche traditions as are reuealed to your churche from heauen as you say Thus you sée good readers I truste euidently howe that M. Dorman hath moste vniustly charged vs and that we are as farre from Suenfeldius vile heresies as the Papistes in all poinctes by M. Dorman rehearsed agree and ioyne moste iustly with theim as I haue declared by the very woordes of Pighius D. Hardinges chiefe author and by Hosius M. Dorman his peereles pearle for learnyng and vertue as he sayeth Whiche Hosius gaue occasion to M. Dorman to make mention of Suenfeldius in this place as partly before and more plainely nowe hereafter doth appeare Dorman fol. 11. And thus vvhilest moste shamefully to the great dishonor of the vvhole realme vnder vvhose name as it vver that fardel of lies their apologie vvas sent abroade thei haue not ben ashamed to charge vvith this heresie of Suenkfeldius one of the greatest estates both for lerning and vertue that at this daie Christendom hath vve may se that thei haue not only shovved thē selues to be very vvicked and shameles men the truthe to their vtter and perpetuall infamie and shame had thei any plainly to the contrary in the vvorcks of him vvhome thei so sclaundred bearing vvitnesse against them but are also runne into the same groundes vvhereon Svvenkfilde builded his heresie their ovvne selues Novvell I trust that who so euer shall reade that conformitie betwene the papistes and Suenkfeldius and both their heresies before declared and specially by the woordes of Pighius and Hosius him selfe shall vnderstande that Hosius was not without cause charged with some affinitie to Suenkfeldius his heresie and with contempt blaspemie against God and his holy scripture wherewith Hosius writings doo abounde and beare witnesse most plenteously thereof and that therefore it is no shame at all to the author of the apologie to beare witnesse of the truthe the whiche apologie yet once again M. Dorman with one woorde after his manner confuteth calling it a fardel of lies But euery woorde that M. Dorman speaketh is not gospell Although he haue here in this his booke packed vs vp suche store of lies that he might more iustly haue intitled it a Lighter laden with lyes than a fardell of lies yet shall he and all his fellowes finde it more easie for them to sende vs ouer a Hulke or twayne full fraughted with suche lies as this and other their bookes swarme withall than to answere that litle apologie to any purpose terme he it neuer so contemptuously Concerning Hosius so great an estate of Christendome I wist not of it before Sure I am that in Polonia his countrey he is of the meaner sort of bishoppes there and what should make him so great an estate besides I know nothing but his Cardinals hatte which how much so euer M. Dormā estemeth yet the truth is that originally a Cardinall is but a person or vicar of one of the parishe churches in Rome or there about in the countrey For after that the Popes had iniuriously and violētly put the people of Rome from the election of the sayde Popes beyng but byshoppes of Rome which election of right apperteined to them ioinctly with the cleargie and had geuen full authoritie to the persons and vicars of the parishes in Rome that they alone should elect the Pope Pope Paschall the first of that name to adourne these Papall electours with some solemne title named these single soled clerkes Cardinalles and Pope Nicolas the second of that name confirmed the same as is in y e Florentine historie declared But yet hitherto were these Papall electors footemen for that they were not as yet hable to paye for their horse meate in Rome where prouander is deare because they had chaunged their name and not mended their liuinges they went appareiled as yet like other commen curates no better than our Cardinalles in Paules cathedrall church yea many of them farre wourse This vncomlinesse pope Innocentius the fourth of that name wysely consideryng sayth Platina Statuitvt Cardinales equo in publicum vecti galero rubrovterentur honestandi ordinis causa That is to saye He made a statute or ordre that the Cardinalles should ryde on horsebacke when thei came abroade and should were a redde hatte for the honestie of the