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A45832 Saturday no sabbath, or, The seventh-day Sabbath proved to be of no force to the beleeving Gentiles in the times of the Gospel, by the law of nature, Moses, Christ being an account of several publique disputations held at Stone-Chappel by Pauls, London, between Dr. Chamberlain, Mr. Tillam, and Mr. Coppinger ... and Jer. Ives ... : together with an appendix in which the said question is more fully and plainly discussed ... / by Jer. Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1659 (1659) Wing I1104; ESTC R24396 120,548 256

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that night I cannot tell but this I know that he allowed him the liberty of opening shop that night when we were i● company together And whereas Mr. Tillam saith that his conscience was troubled all night about Mr. Coppingers opening his shop it seems then they were not agreed in their consciences concerning the matter of opening and not opening upon their sabbath-day Mr. Ives I have shewn that the law for the seventh-day Sabbath is not a moral law because there can be no moral necessity to break a moral law 〈◊〉 there may be a moral necessity by Mr. Tillam'● and Mr. Coppingers own confession and practice to break the seventh-day Sabbath Therefore the Law for the seventh-day Sabbath cann●● be a moral law I now proceed to shew that as the seventh-day sabbath is not in force by any moral law or law writ in the heart so in the next place I shall prove it is not in force by the Law of Moses which I thus do Those which had not Moses Law to command them were not bound by Moses Law to keep the seventh-day Sabbath But the beleeving Gentiles had not Moses law to command them Ergo The beleeving Gentiles were not bound by Moses law to keep the seventh-day Sabbath Mr. Coppinger I deny your Minor and do say that the beleeving Gentiles had Moses Law to command them Mr. Ives If the beleeving Gentiles had Moses law to command them then the unbeleeving Gentiles had Moses law to command them also But the unbeleeving Gentiles had not Moses law to command them Ergo The beleeving Gentiles had not Moses law to command them Mr. Coppinger I deny both Major and Minor and put you to prove both Mr. Ives First The Cousequence of the Major is good because according to your opinion and confession the beleeving Gentiles are bound to obey the law of Moses by the law in nature if so then the unbeleeving Gentiles are bound by the Law in Nature also because the Law of Nature is the same to the unbeleever in respect of the power of it as it is to the beleever And the Minor I prove viz. that the unbeleeving Gentiles have not Moses law to command them and this I do by the words of the Text Rom. 2.14 the Gentiles which HAVE NOT THE LAW c. Whence I argue That it was either the law of Moses or the law of Nature which the Text saith the Gentiles had not But it was not the law of Nature Ergo It was the Law of Moses Now it is manifest that they were not without the Law of Nature for the Text saith That was written in their hearts ver 15. therefore my Argument is proved that the law they were without was the Law of Moses and therefore by Moses Law they could not be commanded to keep the seventh-day Sabbath Mr. Coppinger I do distinguish of the Law of Moses as it was written and unwritten Now though the Gentiles had not Moses Law in writing yet they had it unwritten so that it doth not follow because the text saith the Gentiles were without Moses Law that therefore they had it not in any sence for they had the same Law the Jews had only they had it not in writing as for instance the Records of the Law are kept at London is not York therefore under the same Law But suppose we should read the Text as Mr. Ives notions it that the Gentiles had not the Law of Moses would it not be ridiculous and further this Law in the second of the Romans is the Law that all were to be be judged by at the day of judgment ver 27. which is one and the same Law spoken of throughout the whole Chapter Therefore the Law written in the heart and the Law upon Tables of stone are all one and the same Law so that they viz. the Gentiles had the Law of Moses unwritten though not written and therefore your Argument is not proved from the Text. Mr. Ives Mr. Coppingers Answer had been good if he had shewn us by the Scripture that there was a Mosaical Law unwritten which I think is a conceit that the whole world is a stranger to and if Mr. Coppinger cannot do this his Answer is no answer But secondly that the Law of Nature Rom. 2. is not the Mosaical Law as he imagineth appears because then the Holy Ghost makes a needless distinction of having a Law and not having a Law and of being under the Law and without the Law if there were no more difference then there is between London and York For those that live at York are under the written Law of England though those Laws are recorded at London because Proclamations are written and sent down and posted in their market places so that the distinction is not made good by the similitude for York is as truly under the written law as London and in no sence can be said to be without law and so were all the cities of Judea though at a distance from Jerusalem under the written law of Moses because they were to have copies of the law in every city by Gods appointment to be read among them But the Gentiles are therefore said to live without the law because they had not the law of Moses which distinction would be vain if whatsoever was written in Moses law in tables of stone was writ in the hearts of the Gentiles also for then in no sense they could be said to be without the law and not under the Law And whereas you say the sense of the Text is not good as I notion it you might as well say the sense of the Text was not good as the Apostle notions it for I said no more in my Argument then the Apostle said in the text viz. That the Gentiles were without law And lastly whereas you say this Law that the Gentiles lived under is Moses law because all were to be judged by it I answer that the contrary is most true as appears by consulting the text For the Text doth distinguish the law of Nature from the law of Moses because that every body shall not be judged by the Jews law but them that sinned without the law shall be judged WITHOUT the law whence I argue that if the Law of Moses be so differenced that God will not judge every body by it then the difference is more then in the meer writing and transcribing of it But the law of Moses is so different that God will not judge every body by it Ergo the difference is more then a meer writing and transcribing of it As for example Mr. Coppinger told us but now that there was no more difference between the Jews living under the law the Gentiles living without the law then there is between the people that live at York and London if the difference be no greater as he would make us beleeve how coms it to pass that at York the people are judged by the same