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A07693 The co[n]futacyon of Tyndales answere made by syr Thomas More knyght lorde chau[n]cellour of Englonde; Confutacyon of Tyndales answere. Part 1 More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535.; Tyndale, William, d. 1536. Answere unto Sir Thomas Mores dialoge. 1532 (1532) STC 18079; ESTC S114986 309,752 370

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How be yt let Barns constre yt whych way he lyste that may haue any hold of the wordes and it shall neuer serue for his purpose neyther concernyng any forbedynge of lawes to be made by the chirche nor to proue that euery thynge necessary to saluacyon is writen in scrypture but rather playne the contrarye For euery man well woteth that euery necessarye thynge is not wryten by saynt Poule nor he hath not wryten euery thynge that he taught nor euery thynge is not now had that he dyd write And therfore this text of saynt Poule brought in by Barns nothynge helpeth his purpose but rather greatly hyndreth yt whych thynge Tyndale well perceyued and therfore he lefte yt oute Tyndale saw well also that any thynge that his mayster Marten Luther layde and lashed oute agaynste the kynges hyghnes concernynge this purpose or spekynge agaynste the tradycyons of men serue to no purpose in this mater agaynste the sacramentes or any poynte of the catholyque fayth whyche we saye be the tradycyons of god wherof as Tyndale well knoweth nothynge that Luther layed any thynge proue the contrary nor any thynge touche the purpose to proue that all the necessarye poyntes of the crysten fayth were by Crystes apostles putte in wrytyng And therfore Tyndale seynge his mayster Martine Luther in that poynt by Rosseus so shamfully sowsed in the myre byfore thought he wolde beware of that pudle and come no more nere yt and therfore lefte out all that his mayster had brought in for the mater Then was ther yet one texte remayned wherof many of them were wonte to bere theym hygh And that was the saynge of saynt Poule which text Tindale hath also brought forth ere thys to proue that we muste byleue nothynge but onely scrypture And that is where he wryteth to the Galathyes in the furst chapyter that yf an angell of heuen wold come downe and preache any other gospell then hym selfe had done accursed were he Thys texte hath nowe frere Barns brought in a freshe for the same purpose in hys new frantyke boke and magnyfyeth mych hym selfe there wyth when Tyndale hath left it of for shame For Tyndale at last after longe lokyng on it espyed well that yt wold nothyng serue for hys mater For he saw well that saynt Poule ment none other but that an angell were not to be byleued yf he taught a contrarye gospell and ment not that none angell were to be byleued yf god sent hym both to conferme that and also shew somwhat that god wolde haue done farther Tyndale saw also that that texte sayeth not that saynte Poule hath wryten all hys owne gospell nor that all hys felowes hadde wryten yt amonge them all whyche he wyste well was the poynte that muste be proued And therfore as frere Barns folyshely bryngeth yt in so doth Tyndale wysely leue yt out And surely as I haue sayde hys wytte serued hym well in leuynge out all th●se But hys wyt fayled hym in one thynge that he hadde not lefte oute also all that euer he hath hym selfe brought in All whyche as your selfe se well I haue nowe proued hym as lytle to preue hys purpose as hym selfe seeth well that all the tother dyd whyche for that cause he was ashamed to speke of Now haue ye herd as farre as I can fynde all that euer Tyndale eyther hath sayde or can say in this mater eyther hym selfe or any man ellys for the profe of hys owne parte or for the dysprofe of ours And therby se ye well that he neyther hath proued nor neuer shall he proue whyle he lyueth neyther hym selfe nor no man ellys the thyng that he so boldely sayth that all thynge necessary for saluacyon is wrytē in scrypture nor able is he not nor no man ellys nor neuer shall hereafter be able to auoyde yt but that god taughte ys not yet so bounden but that he may teche what he wyll and when he wyll wyth scrypture or wythout and may cōmaunde yt to be byleued not beyng contrary to that he hath taught all redy and maye commaunde some thynges to be done though they were contrarye to some thynges that he hadde hym selfe by scrypture commaunded afore And I thynke yt not to be dowted but notwythstādynge that Moyses receyued the laws ad ceremonies in writyng yet receyued he not as Tyndale sayth he dyd all thyng so fully in wrytynge but that there remayned in the peoples myndes bysyde the wrytyng dyuerse thynges necessary and of great wayght that they hadde receyued byfore● kepte peraduenture from Adams owne dayes concernynge the commynge of Cryste and the redempcyon by hym and the state of soules both in heuen hell purgatory paradyse lymbus patrum And yt wyll who so lyste to loke therfore well be perceyued in them that wrote after Moyses dayes that the iewes had myche open lyght and knowlege in some such thynges bysyde all that that appereth writē in the .v. bokis of Moyses whereby yt wyll well appere that Tyndale sayeth not trew where he sayth that Moyses dyd put all in wrytynge ye shall well fynde also that not wythstādyng all that euer hath ben wryten synnys eyther by the prophetes euangelystes or any other apostle yet wyll yt neuer appere that all is wryten that was taught by mouth but that y● chirche of Cryste hath had taught vnto them by the spiryte of god dyuerse treuthes whyche no good man can doute in wherof the scrypture nothynge determyneth and whyche thynges therfore false heretyques brynge in questyon and lette not to say the contrary as in the comen knowen ensamples of our ladyes perpetuall virgynyte of the assumpcyon of her blessed body whyche god wold ellys haue had founden in erth honored as well as the bodyes of any other saynt of whom hym selfe hath caused by specyall reuelacyon dyuerse to be sought out and founden ●o be wurshypped here in erth for hys sake and confermed yt by many manifest miracles as we fynde in autentyque storyes By these tradycyons haue we also the prayeng to saynts and the knowledge that they pray for vs all be yt in the boke of Machabe●● yet that thynge well appereth By these tradicions haue we the holy lenton faste which these brotheles so boldely take vppon them to breke and as lollardes to eate fleshe and whyche holy faste these folys in theyr wrytynge call the folyshe faste By these haue we also the saterdaye chaūged into the sondaye whyche they care not to turne into frydaye now By these haue we the halowyng of chalyces vestymēts pascall taper and holy water wyth dyuerse other thynges By these tradycyons of that holy spiryte hath the chirch also the knowlege how to consecrate how to say masse and what thynge to pray for and to desyre therein By thys haue we also the knowlege to do reuerēce to the images of holy sayntes and of oure sauyour and to crepe to hys crosse and to do dyuyne honour vnto the blessed sacrament of the