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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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obedience conjoyned with them also Ans To thy 2. and 3. Question in the old Covenant the Law was written in Tables of stone which Law haveing a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10. 1. And when he came who saith Lo I come to do thy will O God he taketh away the first that he may establish the second ver 9. by which will we are sanctified thorow the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all ver 10. and by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified whereof the holy Ghost is a witnesse to us as he said before this is the covenant that I will make with them saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their hearts and in their minds will I write them ver 14 15 16. Jer. 31. 33. 4 Qu. Whether the Law in the heart without the use of Scriptures make any Evangelical discoveries of the person natures and Offices of Christ as he is Redeemer of lost man Ans Thy feigned words we wave the truth we witnesse the Law in the heart witnessed in the New Covenant Christ is known to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords 1 Tim. 6. 15. And the faithfull High Priest Heb. 2. 17. 3. 1. 4. 15. 5. 6 7. 26. 10. 2● who hath made us Kings and Priests to God and his Father c. Rev. 1. 6. 5 Qu. Whether all shall be saved that have the Law of God written in their hearts by virtue of the New Covenant or any be saved that live to years of discretion that know not Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him in order to his coming to the world to save sinners Ans All are saved who are guided by the righteous Law of the Spirit of life in Christ which sets them free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8. 2. And what years soever any live unto they have no discretion to know Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him but they who in his light waits upon him to be guided by him for who hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his Rom 8. 9. And for the rest of thy aspersions and revilings thou hast writ calling us deceivers that fear the Authority of man or else we would deny Christ himself Reply Christ we do not deny but him we own who respects no mans person Rom. 2. 11. and in him no fear of man is and we in him Reigns over thee and all the authority of the power of darknesse that stands in opposition to Christ the Son of God to whom every knee must bow Phil. 2. 10. the day shall declare it And in what thou hast replied to the Answer to the fourth Question which thou charges to be untrue to say That man in the fall as he stands in the state of corrupt nature hath not therein any light without Christ to doe any thing acceptable to God c. Which thou goes about to prove the contrary and saith there is the light and use of reason and understanding faculties though corrupted And further thou sayes This light of corrupt reason as before exprest presents to the conscience good and evill c. Reply In the light thou art seen to be in the corrupt Fountain from whence all these corrupt words hath come which thou hast Printed in thy Book and thy words are not true Corrupt reason of man doth not present to the conscience things good and evill a corrupt Tree cannot bring forth good fruit Mat. 7 18. There is nothing makes manifest darknesse but light Ephes 5. 15. which all men in the Fall is gone from out of the way and there is none that doth good no not one Rom. 3. 9 10 11 c. And the naturall man receives not the things that are of God nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 12. 14. And all the righteousnesse of man in this state is as a filthy rag and a menstruous cloath Isa 64. 6. And this is the state of man in corrupt nature And the light that convinces man of this dark and corrupt estate he is in is the light of Christ that convinces the World of sin righteousnesse and judgement John 16. 8. So we that were sometimes darknesse are now light in the Lord Ephes 5. 8. And who walk in the light there is no occasion of stumbling 1 John 2. 10. And whereas thou sayest Thou knowes we will lye as thou hast made it manifest Reply It is not so thou hath not made yet manifest any lye that we have spoken by any truth thou hath declared And thou goes on as in thy 89 Page thou sayes The rational soul of man corrupted is called the candle of the Lord which we invent to be Christ which is false we deny that the corrupt soul of man is the candle of the Lord or Christ And further thou sayes It was thy intended work to goe thorow all the Answers to the ten Questions but for want of thy paper which thou sa●es we detained from thee contrary to our Promise In which thou says not true for the promise was to thee thou should have a coppy of thy paper which thou sent to us when it was ready for thee which was not then written neither was any time set down of thy haveing it and as way was made a coppy according to our promise came to thy hands And in the close of thy Book thou goes on as thou begun saying we deny Scriptures as to the end they were intended and reproach the Ordinances of the Lord Jesus which the Scriptures teach under the notion of heathenish worships c. which is answered to in the truth declared a witnesse to stand against all the reproaches that thou hast cast upon the truth of the liveing God and the God thou art pleading for cannot crown thee with honour in the day wherein the liveing God will exalt his son and clear the innocency of his people then shall the God whose worship thou art defending be confounded and confusion and shame shall stop thy mouth and if this come not to passe as declared then say the Lord hath not spoken by me And in that thou calls thy Post-script in the end of thy Book the things therein thou falsely accuses us with and calls them the Rocks which we are to manifest how we shall escape which is clearly made manifest in what is written in answer to thy Book Only this where thou sayes we make no difference between the visible professing Church and the Pagan world all may be saved alike if they will c. Reply They that make a visible Profession of Christ and deny to walk in the light of his Spirit are of the world that lies in wickednesse 1 John 5. 19. Mat. 7. 21. as well as them thou calls the Pagan world and
and appear before us and many other unsavory words are there exprest Reply A wicked and adultrous generation shall seek after a signe and there shall no signe be given it but the signe of the Prophet Jona Mat. 16. 4. And whereas thou charges Howgill and Burrough as thou calls them with pernitious blasphemous opinions Reply Thy accusation is false they are faithfull men serveing their generation in the light Ministers of Christ in whom is witnessed the God head dwelling bodily Coll. 2. 9. and in him were one in God they that joyne to the Lord are one spirit 1 Cor. 6. 17. he that can receive it let him And whereas thou in the 29. Pa. saith that the Revelations of Christ that are according to Scripture are either texts of Scripture expressed or rationall deductions consequences and conclusions that naturally flow from particular passages of Scriptures and not any other revelations can be pleaded for as rule Reply Thy dark minde is shut out from knowing the revelations of Christ and though thou say that answer that was returned to these words was not to purpose it stands a witnesse against thee and will be found to purpose in the light when thy reward thou shalt have for all thy unsavory words exprest in thy Book And in the 33. Pa. where thou falsely accuses us that we will allow of no Laws of God nor Scripture but the Revelations and edicts of our owne bewitched hearts c. And when thou hast reviled us with false accusation as before written thou beseeches those thou call thy dear friends to be serious in their thoughts of what thou hast written in discovering our deceits and blasphemies denying the rule that all things are to be tryed by and make themselves the absolute rule and we must not question what they say though it be never so insolent and to be abhorred of all sober Christians c. Reply Thou hath brazned thy face to slander the truth of God with lyes and blasphemies which is the foundation of all heresy and there thou art found and thy accusation is false Christ the rule that all things is to be tryed by we owne and our selves deny and to the light of Christ in all Consciences we appeale whether thou or we deny the rule thou that sayst the revelations of Christ are either texts of Scripture expressed or rationall deductions consequences c. as before written or we who witnesse Christ the true light revealed by the father and none knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him Mat. 11. 27. Luke 10. 22 Let all that are in Christ with sobriety in the light judge And for the rest of thy slanders in the 37. and 38. Pa. where thou says these miserable worms uncovenant themselves and un-Christ themselves as if they cared not for grace and mercy in standing before God denying the Scripture c. and in the 40. Pa. thou sayst of those in scorne called Quakers thou can safely say they deny the benefit that comes to the Church by Christ suffering in that flesh ●hat he received from the Virgin Mary or else deny it to be are all body of flesh and so make it but a tipe and a figure of Christ in the Saints who are his true real body which he now suffers in and by his suffering makes satisfaction for them makeing the death of the Crosse of none effect Reply The miserable worms that uncovenant themselves and un-Christ themselves who denys Christ the light thou art found to be one whom thy dark minde art working abomination and makeing lies which thou hast published to the world in thy Books and thy place thou may read as is recorded Rev. 21. 27. and the rest of thy accusations recorded in 40. Pa. we witnesse against and for the Simple sake declare as followeth that benefit came to the Church by Christ suffering in that body God gave which was born of the Virgin Mary and with one offering hath Christ perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10. 14. and these are his Saints in whom he is now revealed who are his body Eph. 1. 23. which now suffered by thee and all that are of the murdering generation who bore false witnesse against Christ when he was in that body which they crucified at Jerusalem and thou hast manifest thy self to be of the same murdering generation who hath published to the world the false witnesse against the innocent to perfect thy evill intent towards the body of Christ if the Lord prevent thee not but thou shalt know the Lord faithfull that thou and all that formes your tongues against him shall fall in judgement Isa 54. 17. And what is charged upon thee in answer to thy reply to the answer to the third question that thou sets at nought the corner stone and prefers the testimony of him before him limitting the eternall son of God as thou hath in what is Printed in the 55. Pa. where thou speaks of the Scripture that they are designed of God to be the only instrument and vessel of his spirit to convey the knowledge of Christ as Redeemer to lost man and without them Christ is not knowne at all to any saveing ends Reply Who art thou that dare thus utter words without knowledge Christ is knowne where the Father reveales him to be the souls life whether they have the Scripture yea or nay according to the will of God he makes knowne his minde of his people who wait upon him in his feare and the secrets of the Lord are with those that fear him Psal 25. 14. And the spirit of the Lord is witnesse with our spirits that we are the children of God O man repent least the Lord cut thee off and thou perish in thy gainsayings And further what thou hath written in Reply to what was returned in answer to the question before mentioned the most of the false accusations is answered in what was returned to the former part of the Book and all thy false accusations and reproaches denyed with the light and for the Simples sake there is returned in answer to thy questions which thou hast propounded 1. Qu. Where we read of a perfect law of God in the heart and where it is made the Rule and Ground of the Saints obedience Ans The Law of God is perfect Psal 19. 7. and is the rule to which the Saints are to walke in obedience to and to be guided by Psal 119. 12. and the Law to be in the heart is proved Psal 40. 8. I delight to do thy will O God yea thy law is within my heart 2. Qu. Whether the law in the heart be under another Covenant distinct from the perfect law of God declared in Scripture 3. Qu. What were to understand by the law of God i n the heart which is the same with Scripture whether the 10. Commandements written in Tables of stone onely or all those positive Precepts of Gospel worship and