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A33945 The pulpit-guard routed, in its twenty strong-holds, or, A brief answer to a large and lawless discourse, written by one Tho. Hall ... intituled, The pulpit-guarded, with twenty arguments, pretending to prove the unlawfulness and sinfulness of private mens preaching ... his six arguments to prove their ministry free from anti-Christianism, rased, and six more asserted, proving them to be anti-Christian / written by Tho. Collier. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691. 1651 (1651) Wing C5295; ESTC R9709 89,279 114

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the same Principle with your Church I wonder you left out your Mother Church of Rome she could have spoken as much in the case as both you and they all have done You produce Ordinances Scots Covenant c. and why not the Spanish Inquisition too Seeing you are upon this account you might have raked to the bottom and have brought in all the forces of the King of Darkness to this great day of Tryal But Sir your Judge Jurates Evidence and all are too low and weak to amaze or amuse your preaching Brethren It seems you have considered and wisely brought in the Councel of Trent for one in your third Edition and that though last in name yet I suppose first in being and father to all the rest of your Jurates witnesses And here before I pass because you begin to Judge I shall let you see not mine but the Scriptures judgment upon the false Prophets of the Nations who prophesie lyes in the name of the Lord smiting others in the face saying Which way went the Spirit of God from me to thee The Judge is Christ himself who is not only both Lord Judge and King of Saints Isai 33. 22. but of the world too Isa 99. 1. The false Prophets of the Nation that set themselves against the Lord and his Anointed is the Prisoner to be tryed The Witnesses are 1. The Scriptures the Old and New Testament 2. Reformed Churches who walk suitable unto the Scripture 3. Deluded Souls 4. Publike peace and weal of Nations Judge Cryer Call the Prisoner to the Bar. Cryer False Prophet come forth hold up thy hand heart thy Indictment Thou art here Indicted by the name of False Prophet or Ministry that hast a long time stood up and prophesied lyes unto the Nations in my name under what title or term soever thou hast been distinguished whether Cardinal Prelate Jesuit Presbyter or Priest thy name is False Prophet in deed and truth thou art here accused for high Crimes against the Lord and his People against the peace of Nations c. Judge Art thou guilty or not Answ Not guilty Judg. Call the Evidence 1. Scriptures come in what say you against the Prisoner at the Bar He is here Indicted by the name of False Prophet and thou art called to speak thy knowledge of him Dost know him by that name Scripture Yea my Lord I know him by that name long since Rev. 16. 13. 19. 20. who hath deceived them who dwell on earth and my Lord I have many things to say against this Prophet although he hath sate a long time as queen thinking that he shall see no sorrow and hath made use of me to confirm him in his wayes and to establish the men of the Earth so much the more firm in these delusions therefore I can speak the more experimentally of him First although it s written in me that thy people are a selected severed people from the World to worship thee in Spirit and Truth and that the wicked have nothing to do to take thy name in their mouth while they hate to be reformed yet this false and lying Prophet hath deluded souls all along many hundred of years forming them up with the out-side of a profession without the truth and power made them Christians though deluded ones before they knew thee or ever heard of thee I ruth and plain-dealing in this kinde he hath ever been inveterate against And I have done my part my Lord to inform him of his error but he would not believe me but give me the lye wrest my words at his pleasure for his own ends he hath likewise been an enemy to the peace of thy people of thy family because they could not joyn with him in his Babylonish Worships and say Amen to his deceits He hath alwayes ill requited thy Servants and hath abused my Sayings for that end and notwithstanding I have informed him that its only by thy Spirit men come to the knowledge of the mystery of thy will yet he hath always opposed this truth looking after it in the bottomless Pit of his own inventions In a word my Lord he hath been a Traytor to thy Crown and Dignity pretending a desire that thou shouldest Reign but that which he looked after was to reign himself abusing me and my Sayings Isa 9. 6 7. to exalt himself So sitting in thy seat exalting himself above thee over the conscience of thy people And so in deed and truth what ever his pretence is He is the false Prophet the Antichrist that was to come into the world This shall suffice at present my Lord though I could say much more if time would permit but I shall give way to the other Witnesses Judge Call in another Witness Christian Churches and Saints come in give your Evidence against the Prisoner at the Bar who is arraigned by the name of False Prophet Churches My Lord We have much to say against him for we know him by woful experience It s true my Lord he hath past under the name of thy Ministry in Office but he hath been far from the nature of thy Ministry which is meek peaceable and loving longing to convert souls unto thee and whatever his pretence hath been or is he hath been is a deadly Enemy to us thy Disciples and Followers and hath been swoln with the enmity against the Seed of the Woman no sooner could we receive any of thy truth but he fell a quarrelling with us and inventing reproachful nick names for us that so he might make us appear odious before the world his deluded Church if we come to see into the freeness and fulness of thy grace in justifying sinners and saving of souls without any relation to any thing done by us he immediately endeavors to reproach us with the odious name of Libertine if we come to see into the Law of the Gospel which is a Law of love and that Christ is the Judge King and Law-giver to the Saints that we have all the Law in him from him for righteousness and for Rule he then called us Antimonians if we separated from the world in their Babylonish wayes and worships according to thy-will and command he then branded us for Separatists if we practised Baptism according to thy written Word he then called us Anabaptists if we held forth that the power of thy law of love shed abroad in the hearts of thy people and written in thy Scripture was sufficient to keep them from sin and to carry them on in a way of holy walking with thee and that thou acceptest of no obedience but that which flows from this principle of love then he called us the Family of Love as if that had been reproach enough to be of that Family And divers other false Titles and Terms hath he reproached us withall He hath been a man of as beastly language against thy Truth and Saints as ever breathed on the Earth Besides we could no sooner come
most part enemies to the Power c. 2. Argument If Baptism of Ministers in times of Popery was true Baptism though corrupted c. the Ministers though corrupted were true Ministers therefore you must be true Ministers though corrupted I suppose this to be the intention of your Argument Answ You have now hit the nail upon the head and fastned it like a Master builder 1. Then I deny either their or your Baptism to be any Baptism at all for believe it theirs is as good as yours never a best but aninvented Antichristian Custome and Form for which there is no warrant either in Law or Gospel or President of any true Church of Christ 2. You do well to rank your selves with the Ministry of Rome for they are by Office your brethren from thence you come and thither you must return c. a grounded Argument to prove your Call If the Ministry of Rome be true then you are true but they are Ergo. this is the summ of your Argument 3. Argument If the Papists disclaim us as having no Call from them then our Calling cannot be Antichristian but they disclaim us c. Answ 1. Your jangling and differing each with other and reproaching one another argues not the truth of what you say for it s known and your selves know that by Succession your Ordination came from thence c. 2. They do not say That your Ordination in its rise came not from them but in the present its not approved of or executed by them by reason of some smal differences between you 3. Grant by way of concession that if what you say were truth is there but one Antichrist in the world you say it cannot be Antichristian Doth not the Apostle say there are many Antichrists in the world 4. Argument If your Ordination be Antichristian then cannot you with modesty accuse us But your Ordination is Antichristian Ergo. A goodly Argument Sir I for if it were truth that you say because ours is Antichristian therefore yours may be so by a Law learned Logick As to the Ordination you mention by the people I know none such in the formal way you pretend Election being the summ of all and that lieth in the people the power or gift of Ordination in the form being wanting it s but a form without a power yet I believe that the power both of Election and Ordination lieth in the Church and if Ordination be so administred as you say the Church appointing some of her Members unto it they are a lawful Presbytery to do it so far as the power accompanies it c. You conclude If this be lawful then a fortiori from the greater yours must needs be lawful learned Orthodox Divines Their learning and greatness mends the business well you think though ignorant of or enemies unto the Way Truth Churches and Ministers of Christ the case is altered now sir 5. Argument Those Ministers that are elected proved ordained c. according to the mind of Christ cannot be Antichristian but our Ministers are so Ergo. Answ Your Minor I deny you have no such Election I have told you already you have no Church of Christ but for the most part are ignorant rude deboist prophane yet professing Hypocrites yet secondly such as they are yet they never elected you before Ordination but you for love of the tythe pigs c. come and take them by violence and get their goods from them by a Law 2. You were never proved viz. of your knowledge of the Lord and his wayes but of your learning if you had the language of the Beast and the smoke of the pit it was enough and as for your Ordination I have told you already from whence it is I need say no more 6. Argument Those Ministers which are directly opposite to the Priests and Shavelings of Antichrist cannot be Antichristian but ours are so Ergo. Answ You are so in some Circumstantials not in the substance for you own their Ministry true their Ordinances true and indeed you are the Sectaries and Schismaticks in renting from them they being in your account a true Church and Ministry though corrupted This your self acknowledged in your second Argument and this Parson Tilly of Compton in Somersetshire no little one in the peoples account acknowledged in express terms that Rome is a true Church and her Ministry a true Ministry c. 2. There may be an opposition in some Circumstantials and yet a joyning in others Manasseh against Ephraim and Ephraim against Manasseh and both against Judah you are both against Christ and his Interst which is his people c. You say this will appear by the ensuing Parallel 1. They were ordained to sacrifice 2. You were ordained to do the same it s only the change of that word the second clears it 2. They teach the traditions of men 2. You do the same and your own inventions are ashamed of and enemies to the truth of the Scriptures 3. They mix the Sacraments and Altar 3. You destroy and annihilate them by your impure administration 4. They are for the Mass 4. You kept the body and substance of it viz. the Liturgy untill the Parliament took it from you 5. They are the Popes sworn Vassals 5. You are as deeply ingaged to your self-interest as they are to the Pope 6. These pervert souls and draw them from Christ 6. You delude souls with your Forms Customs Ordinances so keep them from Christ But you say That you convert souls and bring them to Christ that we received our conversion from sin to God in the publike Assemblies c. Answ 1. If conversion be a proof of a Minister in office then women may be Ministers in office or any man by whom God converts for I believe your selves dare not deny but that God is free in this thing and worketh by whom and how he pleaseth 1 Cor. 7. 16. Joh. 4. 28. You instance in Paul proving his Apostleship 1 Cor. 9. 2. that is but in particular to them not that conversion of souls proves the Office but the work I deny not but there might be some men of honesty and godly men though in darkness in part by whom God might work for conversion yet this justifies not the Office 2. If God did own his hidden ones and afford his presence in times of Ignorance yet now are times of Light and he admonisheth you to repent 3. Most of the conversion you so much boast of was but a conversion from sin to Duty not from sin to God as many can and have witnessed being with Paul made partakers of another Conversion both from sin and resting upon duty to God You seem to make much of our separating from you in time of Reformation that its a greater sin then many are aware of to separate from a Church that professeth so much readiness to conform to the Rule and that never was separation from the Chuch so unwarrantable as now it is c. Answ