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A27035 A second true defence of the meer nonconformists against the untrue accusations, reasonings, and history of Dr. Edward Stillingfleet ... clearly proving that it is (not sin but) duty 1. not wilfully to commit the many sins of conformity, 2. not sacrilegiously to forsake the preaching of the Gospel, 3. not to cease publick worshipping of God, 4. to use needful pastoral helps for salvation ... / written by Richard Baxter ... ; with some notes on Mr. Joseph Glanviles Zealous and impartial Protestant, and Dr. L. Moulins character. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1681 (1681) Wing B1405; ESTC R5124 188,187 234

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terrify_v their_o contumely_n or_o confirm_v their_o doubt_n for_o none_o ought_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o holy_a table_n of_o the_o lord_n that_o have_v not_o a_o perfect_a belief_n the_o word_n need_v a_o gentle_a exposition_n but_o we_o have_v no_o power_n now_o to_o try_v man_n knowledge_n or_o belief_n thus_o 4._o cap._n 10._o after_o evening_n prayer_n the_o parish_n minister_n deason_n and_o elder_n with_o the_o people_n shall_v call_v those_o that_o have_v be_v public_o perverse_a and_o scandalous_a to_o confess_v their_o sin_n and_o to_o be_v public_o correct_v that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v conform_v by_o their_o wholesome_a correction_n and_o the_o minister_n and_o deacon_n with_o some_o elder_n shall_v consult_v how_o the_o rest_n that_o be_v of_o vicious_a life_n may_v first_o by_o brotherly_a love_n according_a to_o christ_n prescript_n in_o the_o
mind_n by_o cite_v four_o of_o their_o book_n against_o brownist_n and_o be_v four_o or_o forty_o time_n four_o all_o but_o mr._n rathband_n be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o nonconformist_n do_v he_o believe_v that_o he_o mean_v that_o all_o or_o the_o twenty_o part_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n write_v or_o subscribe_v it_o one_o of_o the_o name_n to_o it_o be_v mr._n simeon_n ash_n my_o intimate_a dear_a friend_n who_o judgement_n in_o these_o matter_n be_v the_o same_o with_o i_o who_o i_o be_v with_o even_o in_o his_o sickness_n almost_o to_o the_o last_o hour_n of_o his_o life_n and_o be_v bury_v aug._n 23._o 1662._o the_o day_n before_o the_o law_n have_v else_o silence_v he_o and_o he_o be_v to_o i_o a_o better_a expositor_n of_o his_o own_o mind_n than_o the_o dr._n can_v be_v he_o be_v so_o much_o for_o go_v on_o to_o preach_v that_o his_o motto_n in_o his_o funeral_n ring_n be_v i_o be_o not_o ashamed_a of_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n i_o yet_o keep_v my_o ring_n and_o can_v show_v it_o you_o and_o as_o to_o old_a mr._n langley_n another_o of_o they_o i_o hear_v he_o myself_o preach_v in_o albriton_n church_n in_o shropshire_n a_o thanksgiving_n sermon_n for_o the_o hope_n of_o deliverance_n from_o the_o silence_v bishop_n when_o the_o law_n forbid_v he_o and_o for_o old_a mr._n slater_n i_o hear_v he_o preach_v at_o trinity_n church_n in_o coventry_n when_o the_o law_n forbid_v he_o and_o do_v they_o not_o understand_v their_o own_o write_n better_a than_o the_o dr._n do_v sect._n 23._o and_o i_o will_v i_o know_v how_o to_o prevail_v with_o he_o to_o tell_v i_o whether_o the_o law_n and_o canon_n do_v not_o forbid_v all_o the_o minister_n in_o england_n to_o worship_n god_n according_a to_o the_o directory_n and_o neglect_v the_o common_a prayer_n book_n which_o yet_o almost_o all_o do_v for_o many_o year_n in_o the_o time_n of_o usurpation_n and_o yet_o of_o nine_o thousand_o or_o more_o of_o these_o seven_o thousand_o since_o conform_v to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o they_o say_v that_o this_o dr._n be_v one_o of_o they_o if_o mere_a disobedience_n then_o be_v the_o sin_n all_o these_o live_v so_o long_o in_o sin_n and_o he_o with_o other_o sect._n 24._o but_o all_o that_o can_v be_v gather_v out_o of_o the_o four_o book_n ●●●ed_v and_o such_o other_o be_v but_o this_o which_o be_v our_o judgement_n 1._o that_o church_n and_o pastor_n be_v under_o the_o king_n government_n as_o well_o as_o other_o subject_n 2._o that_o it_o belong_v to_o he_o to_o punish_v they_o for_o evil_a do_v and_o encourage_v they_o in_o do_v well_o 3._o that_o as_o to_o this_o his_o own_o execution_n he_o be_v the_o public_a judge_n whether_o they_o do_v well_o or_o ill_o 4._o that_o if_o he_o just_o forbid_v any_o to_o preach_v or_o assemble_v he_o must_v be_v obey_v 5._o and_o if_o he_o mistake_v in_o particular_a case_n not_o destroy_v the_o end_n of_o his_o government_n the_o common_a good_a he_o must_v not_o be_v resist_v nor_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n disobey_v as_o tend_v more_o to_o the_o common_a hurt_n than_o his_o mistake_n do_v nor_o disable_v to_o govern_v by_o their_o dishonour_v he_o much_o less_o by_o rebellion_n or_o confusion_n 6._o nor_o be_v man_n bind_v to_o cast_v away_o their_o great_a advantage_n for_o god_n service_n which_o they_o then_o have_v on_o pretence_n of_o do_v better_a when_o by_o accident_n it_o will_v do_v more_o hurt_n than_o good_a nor_o as_o bradshaw_n say_v to_o run_v on_o the_o sword_n or_o oppose_v sword_n to_o sword_n or_o raise_v sedition_n and_o ruin_v themselves_o in_o vain_a their_o advantage_n be_v many_o 1._o lawful_a communion_n in_o the_o parish_n church_n 2._o most_o of_o they_o either_o constant_o or_o by_o sit_v have_v public_a church_n or_o chapel_n to_o preach_v in_o and_o be_v still_o in_o hope_n 3._o the_o magistrate_n protect_v they_o and_o the_o reformation_n 4._o they_o hope_v for_o a_o progress_n of_o it_o whereas_o have_v they_o open_o do_v as_o the_o brownist_n they_o have_v endanger_v the_o reformation_n by_o the_o exasperation_n and_o ruin_v themselves_o and_o lose_v most_o of_o their_o labour_n so_o that_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o preach_v in_o that_o imprudent_a manner_n which_o be_v like_a to_o do_v more_o harm_n than_o good_a they_o take_v to_o be_v a_o double_a sin_n as_o hurtful_a and_o as_o disobedience_n for_o obedience_n be_v due_a in_o such_o a_o case_n but_o in_o case_n the_o manner_n and_o circumstance_n be_v such_o as_o that_o these_o evil_n be_v not_o consequent_a but_o more_o good_a than_o hurt_v to_o be_v expect_v they_o think_v the_o bare_a breach_n of_o the_o law_n no_o sin_n sect._n 25._o which_o i_o yet_o further_o prove_v 1._o because_o it_o be_v agree_v by_o all_o that_o govern_v order_n be_v a_o medium_n for_o the_o thing_n order_v and_o never_o oblige_v when_o it_o overthrow_v the_o end_n power_n be_v give_v to_o edification_n and_o not_o to_o destruction_n none_o have_v power_n to_o forbid_v the_o necessary_a preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o probable_o to_o damn_v soul_n 2._o because_o else_o the_o nonconformist_n shall_v be_v more_o against_o preach_v when_o forbid_v than_o the_o conformist_n who_o say_v as_o bishop_n bilson_n we_o must_v go_v on_o with_o our_o work_n &_o suffer_v and_o as_o bishop_n andrews_n torture_n torti_n cohibeat_fw-la regem_fw-la diaconus_fw-la etc._n etc._n 3._o yea_o the_o papist_n who_o on_o pretence_n of_o obedience_n be_v tyrannical_a yet_o most_o agree_n as_o i_o have_v elsewhere_o prove_v that_o humane_a law_n bind_v not_o beyond_o the_o case_n of_o scandal_n when_o they_o be_v against_o the_o common_a good_a and_o a_o toletane_a council_n decree_v that_o their_o constitution_n shall_v not_o be_v take_v to_o bind_v ad_fw-la p●c●atum_fw-la to_o hazard_v soul_n but_o only_a ad_fw-la poenam_fw-la 4._o as_o i_o have_v say_v their_o own_o practice_n full_o expound_v their_o word_n who_o constant_o break_v the_o law_n and_o canon_n in_o preach_v in_o house_n and_o in_o chapel_n without_o or_o contrary_a to_o the_o liturgy_n or_o a_o part_n of_o it_o so_o do_v mr._n ball_n at_o whitemore_n mr._n hind_n at_o banbury_n mr._n geree_n and_o mr._n fox_n at_o tewksbury_n john_n rogers_n at_o dedham_n mr._n taylor_n mr._n harvy_n mr._n bourne_n at_o manchester_n mr._n gee_o mr._n johnson_n mr._n hancock_n mr._n barlow_n mr._n broxholme_n mr._n cooper_n and_o abundance_n more_o beside_o those_o mention_v before_o and_o now_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o dr.'s_n further_a thought_n whether_o he_o speak_v true_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o all_o the_o nonconformist_n and_o have_v prove_v what_o he_o undertake_v to_o abuse_v the_o magistrate_n or_o do_v his_o part_n for_o public_a reformation_n they_o be_v against_o and_o so_o be_v we_o sect._n 26._o as_o to_o his_o question_n be_v there_o less_o necessity_n then_o or_o now_o i_o answer_v 1._o there_o be_v then_o more_o necessity_n as_o there_o be_v of_o you_o or_o i_o in_o america_n where_o we_o can_v preach_v the_o people_n late_o papist_n desire_v not_o their_o help_n nor_o scruple_v hear_v other_o as_o many_o thousand_o do_v now_o 2._o there_o be_v necessity_n then_o and_o so_o there_o be_v now_o but_o opportunity_n must_v join_v with_o necessity_n to_o oblige_v which_o they_o have_v more_o than_o we_o by_o connivance_n in_o chapel_n where_o be_v necessity_n and_o they_o have_v less_o than_o we_o in_o other_o place_n sect._n 27._o as_o to_o the_o answer_n of_o mr._n sprint_v on_o my_o knowledge_n the_o usual_a answer_n be_v that_o evil_n must_v not_o be_v do_v that_o we_o may_v have_v leave_n to_o do_v good_a and_o that_o if_o other_o hinder_v i_o because_o i_o will_v not_o sin_n it_o be_v not_o my_o omission_n of_o any_o duty_n yet_o the_o disparity_n of_o the_o apostle_n case_n and_o we_o may_v be_v mention_v to_o show_v the_o difference_n of_o obligation_n positive_a precept_n bind_v not_o ad_fw-la semper_fw-la but_o negative_n do_v and_o it_o be_v too_o gross_a a_o shift_n to_o turn_v a_o negative_a to_o a_o positive_a and_o then_o pretend_v that_o the_o comparison_n be_v between_o two_o duty_n preach_v be_v a_o duty_n when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o but_o not_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o unless_o we_o will_v swear_v subscribe_v profess_v or_o practice_v a_o forbid_a thing_n sect._n 28._o i_o conjecture_v that_o to_o what_o i_o have_v prove_v of_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n it_o will_v be_v say_v that_o their_o preach_n in_o peculiar_a place_n chapel_n or_o church_n though_o in_o a_o manner_n against_o law_n and_o canon_n be_v but_o a_o partial_a join_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o not_o a_o separation_n and_o the_o connivance_n of_o the_o bishop_n be_v a_o kind_n of_o toleration_n answ_n 1._o and_o
be_v not_o my_o case_n the_o same_o we_o have_v more_o than_o connivance_n when_o we_o have_v the_o king_n licenses_fw-la and_o ever_o since_o experience_n tell_v you_o that_o his_o clemency_n have_v occasion_v a_o restraint_n of_o the_o bishop_n and_o some_o connivance_n from_o they_o 2._o and_o if_o it_o be_v the_o temple_n that_o make_v the_o difference_n let_v they_o allow_v we_o to_o preach_v there_o and_o see_v whether_o we_o will_v refuse_v it_o and_o sure_o the_o conformist_n that_o preach_v in_o tabernacle_n be_v not_o separatist_n the_o parish_n teacher_n of_o st._n martin_n now_o preach_v in_o the_o same_o place_n which_o i_o build_v to_o have_v preach_v in_o and_o for_o so_o do_v be_v by_o a_o warrant_v judge_v to_o prison_n they_o have_v no_o more_o law_n on_o their_o side_n than_o i_o have_v they_o usual_o read_v no_o more_o of_o the_o liturgy_n but_o the_o confession_n and_o the_o scripture_n and_o many_o not_o the_o first_o at_o all_o and_o some_o more_o so_o that_o its_o a_o full_a proof_n that_o if_o break_v the_o law_n have_v be_v all_o their_o stop_n they_o will_v have_v still_o preach_v sect._n 29._o dr._n ames_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o have_v preach_v without_o the_o bishop_n consent_n by_o this_o story_n fresh_a suit_n p._n 409._o describe_v a_o english_a bishop_n pastoral_a work_n he_o say_v it_o will_v be_v ridiculous_a for_o a_o mean_a man_n to_o desire_v he_o to_o visit_v he_o his_o wife_n or_o child_n in_o sickness_n he_o must_v have_v a_o chaplain_n not_o only_o to_o do_v other_o duty_n of_o religion_n for_o he_o but_o even_o to_o give_v thanks_o at_o his_o table_n i_o will_v not_o here_o speak_v of_o draw_n up_o a_o excommunication_n for_o he_o take_v he_o pursuivant_n jailor_n see_v to_o your_o prisoner_n but_o note_v one_o example_n of_o my_o own_o experience_n which_o many_o other_o can_v parallel_v i_o be_v once_o and_o but_o once_o i_o thank_v god_n before_o a_o bishop_n and_o be_v present_v to_o he_o by_o the_o chief_a magistrate_n of_o a_o corporation_n to_o be_v preacher_n in_o their_o town_n the_o lowly_a man_n first_o ask_v they_o how_o they_o dare_v choose_v a_o preacher_n without_o his_o consent_n you_o say_v he_o be_v to_o receive_v a_o preacher_n that_o i_o appoint_v you_o for_o i_o be_o your_o pastor_n though_o he_o never_o feed_v they_o and_o then_o turn_v to_o i_o how_o dare_v you_o say_v he_o preach_v in_o my_o diocese_n without_o my_o leave_n so_o that_o without_o any_o other_o reason_n but_o mere_a lordship_n the_o whole_a corporation_n and_o i_o be_v dismiss_v to_o wait_v his_o leisure_n which_o i_o have_v do_v now_o twenty_o year_n and_o more_o much_o like_o the_o usage_n of_o holy_a paul_n bayne_n successor_n to_o perkins_n who_o be_v command_v to_o preach_v a_o visitation_n sermon_n and_o be_v sickly_a and_o in_o a_o sweat_n with_o preach_v be_v fain_o to_o refresh_v himself_o instead_o of_o go_v present_o to_o attend_v the_o bishop_n and_o when_o he_o be_v send_v for_o have_v 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