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A25216 A reply to the Reverend Dean of St. Pauls's reflections on the Rector of Sutton, &c. wherein the principles and practices of the non-conformists are not only vindicated by Scripture, but by Dr. Stillingsfleet's Rational account, as well as his Irenicum : as also by the writings of the Lord Faulkland, Mr. Hales, Mr. Chillingworth, &c. / by the same hand ; to which is added, St. Paul's work promoted, or, Proper materials drawn from The true and only way of concord, and, Pleas for peace and other late writings of Mr. Richard Baxter ... Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703.; Barret, John, 1631-1713. 1681 (1681) Wing A2919; ESTC R6809 123,967 128

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both_o one_o office_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o christ_n religion_n as_o you_o cite_v his_o ms._n irenic_n p._n 392._o can_v such_o a_o man_n as_o dr._n holland_n and_o i_o need_v not_o tell_v you_o what_o he_o be_v who_o call_v dr_n laud_n a_o schismatic_a for_o assert_v the_o divine_a right_n of_o episcopacy_n say_v it_o be_v to_o make_v a_o division_n betwixt_o the_o english_a and_o other_o reform_a church_n or_o can_v lud._n capellus_n have_v submit_v to_o such_o determination_n that_o it_o be_v evident_a to_o every_o one_o diligent_o read_v holy_a scripture_n etc._n etc._n who_o in_o effect_n say_v the_o contrary_a thes._n salmur_n p._n 8._o §_o 33._o neque_fw-la verò_fw-la praescripto_fw-la ullo_fw-la divino_fw-la desinitum_fw-la esse_fw-la putamus_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o if_o the_o like_a be_v determine_v of_o arch-bishop_n as_o of_o bishop_n i_o be_o in_o some_o doubt_n from_o what_o i_o meet_v with_o in_o your_o rational_a account_n whether_o you_o can_v submit_v to_o such_o 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no_o such_o matter_n but_o in_o righteousness_n and_o peace_n and_o joy_n in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 14._o because_o christ_n be_v please_v in_o this_o without_o the_o other_o and_o god_n accept_v such_o 15._o because_o such_o be_v approve_v of_o man_n i._n e._n this_o righteousness_n peace_n and_o holy_a joy_n without_o agreement_n in_o such_o ceremony_n and_o by-matter_n bear_v its_o own_o testimony_n for_o approbation_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o impartial_a man_n humanity_n and_o christianity_n teach_v we_o to_o love_n and_o honour_v such_o 16._o from_o our_o common_a obligation_n to_o live_v in_o peace_n with_o all_o 17._o from_o our_o obligation_n to_o do_v all_o to_o the_o edify_n of_o one_o another_o 18._o because_o god_n work_n else_o be_v destroy_v by_o we_o 19_o because_o our_o own_o lawful_a act_n be_v turn_v into_o sin_n when_o they_o hurt_v another_o and_o from_o the_o obligation_n that_o lie_v on_o we_o to_o deny_v our_o own_o liberty_n in_o meat_n etc._n etc._n to_o avoid_v the_o hurt_v of_o another_o that_o be_v weak_a 20._o from_o the_o damnation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v drive_v or_o draw_v to_o act_v doubt_o 21._o from_o the_o special_a duty_n and_o mercy_n of_o the_o strong_a that_o shall_v bear_v the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o weak_a 22._o from_o the_o example_n of_o christ_n himself_o that_o please_v not_o himself_o and_o our_o great_a obligation_n to_o imitate_v christ._n 23._o from_o god_n patience_n to_o we_o 24._o because_o indeed_o this_o be_v the_o true_a way_n to_o love_n and_o unity_n that_o with_o one_o mind_n and_o one_o mouth_n we_o may_v glorify_v god_n while_o we_o lay_v not_o our_o concord_n on_o impossible_a term_n 25._o because_o christ_n receive_v we_o and_o it_o be_v to_o god_n glory_n etc._n etc._n whether_o do_v all_o these_o moral_a argument_n signify_v no_o more_o than_o this_o receive_v and_o tolerate_v such_o only_a till_o you_o make_v law_n against_o they_o ibid._n p._n 150_o 151_o 152._o query_n 2._o whether_o 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addition_n in_o religion_n that_o the_o conscience_n of_o man_n fear_v god_n must_v unavoidable_o be_v perplex_v between_o a_o fear_n of_o treason_n and_o disobedience_n against_o christ_n and_o of_o disobedience_n to_o their_o prince_n or_o pastor_n second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 28._o §_o 38._o 2._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o more_o inexcusable_a to_o rack_v and_o divide_v the_o church_n by_o unnecessary_a addition_n in_o religion_n ibid._n §_o 39_o 3._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o against_o the_o will_n and_o law_n of_o christ_n to_o use_v thing_n otherwise_o indifferent_a scandalous_o or_o tempt_o to_o the_o ensnare_a and_o endanger_v of_o man_n soul_n and_o the_o dishonour_n of_o religion_n rom._n 14_o &_o 15._o 1_o cor._n 8._o and_o whether_o man_n may_v make_v law_n about_o religion_n enjoin_v such_o a_o evil_a use_n of_o such_o thing_n ibid._n p._n 29._o §_o 41._o 4._o whether_o to_o invent_v and_o command_v new_a publick-worship-ordinance_n either_o in_o god_n name_n or_o their_o own_o coordinate_a or_o of_o the_o same_o kind_n with_o god_n own_o worship-ordinance_n which_o have_v no_o peculiar_a usefulness_n to_o one_o age_n or_o people_n more_o than_o to_o another_o nor_o any_o new_a reason_n for_o they_o but_o what_o be_v extant_a at_o the_o make_n of_o god_n law_n whether_o this_o seem_v not_o to_o be_v a_o accusation_n of_o christ_n law_n of_o omission_n and_o defectiveness_n and_o a_o usurpation_n of_o his_o legislative_a power_n ibid._n §_o 42._o 5._o whether_o to_o forbid_v baptism_n or_o to_o alter_v it_o or_o make_v a_o new_a sacrament_n of_o admission_n or_o a_o new_a consecrate_v or_o dedicate_a symbol_n for_o the_o solemnisation_n of_o our_o covenant_n with_o god_n and_o a_o new_a symbol_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n or_o visible_a badge_n of_o christianity_n seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n and_o accusation_n of_o god_n law_n as_o insufficient_a ibid._n p._n 30._o §_o 46._o 6._o whether_o to_o forbid_v preach_v or_o prayer_n or_o praise_n ordain_v homogeneal_a mean_n of_o our_o own_o seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n and_o unlawful_a ibid._n p._n 31._o §_o 47._o 7._o whether_o to_o add_v more_o doctrine_n or_o article_n of_o faith_n which_o god_n have_v not_o reveal_v in_o nature_n or_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v belief_n or_o pro●●●●●_n of_o belief_n of_o the_o same_o 〈…〉_z religious_a end_v seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n and_o unjust_a accusation_n of_o god_n word_n as_o insufficient_a ibid._n p._n 29._o §_o 43._o 8._o whether_o to_o alter_v the_o qualification_n of_o church-member_n either_o forbid_v those_o that_o christ_n require_v we_o to_o receive_v or_o receive_v such_o as_o christ_n forbid_v we_o to_o receive_v be_v not_o to_o contradict_v his_o law_n by_o usurpation_n whether_o magistrate_n or_o pastor_n do_v it_o ibid._n p._n 30._o §_o 45._o 9_o whether_o to_o alter_v the_o qualification_n of_o christ_n minister_n or_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o office_n and_o invent_v new_a coordinate_a officer_n seem_v not_o usurpation_n ibid._n p._n 31._o §_o 48._o 10._o whether_o to_o overthrow_v or_o prohibit_v christ_n church-discipline_n or_o to_o set_v up_o another_o that_o be_v not_o mere_o subordinate_a to_o it_o modal_o to_o promote_v it_o seem_v not_o a_o usurpation_n ibid._n §_o 51._o 11._o whether_o to_o forbid_v religious_a assembly_n or_o alter_v their_o end_n and_o principal_a use_n be_v not_o to_o usurp_v and_o to_o contradict_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n ibid._n p._n 29._o §_o 44._o q._n 4._o whether_o ruler_n ought_v not_o to_o prefer_v christ_n interest_n before_o their_o own_o and_o account_n that_o their_o own_o lie_v in_o prefer_v his_o and_o shall_v not_o value_v conscionable_a upright_a man_n though_o dissenter_n in_o tolerable_a case_n and_o not_o encourage_v their_o unconscionable_a enemy_n way_n of_o concord_n 3d_o part_n p._n 26._o and_o whether_o the_o chief_a work_n of_o ruler_n be_v not_o to_o promote_v the_o keep_n of_o god_n law_n and_o the_o everlasting_a good_a of_o man_n and_o the_o temporal_a good_a in_o order_n thereunto_o second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 108._o col_fw-fr 1._o §_o 11._o and_o whether_o ruler_n may_v command_v any_o thing_n which_o will_v notable_o do_v more_o harm_n than_o good_a or_o make_v a_o unnecessary_a thing_n a_o mean_n or_o occasion_n of_o exclude_v the_o necessary_a worship_n of_o god_n or_o preach_v of_o his_o gospel_n judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 76._o §_o 59_o and_o whether_o be_v it_o more_o to_o common_a good_a and_o the_o interest_n of_o honesty_n and_o conscience_n that_o all_o the_o person_n in_o a_o nation_n be_v imprison_v banish_a or_o kill_v that_o dare_v not_o swear_v say_v and_o practice_v all_o that_o be_v impose_v on_o they_o than_o that_o unnecessary_a imposition_n be_v alter_v or_o forbear_v way_n of_o concord_n 3d_o part_n p._n 111_o 112._o q._n 5._o
also_o may_v i_o give_v away_o the_o needful_a help_n to_o my_o salvation_n because_o other_o have_v they_o shall_v their_o salvation_n satisfy_v i_o instead_o of_o my_o own_o first_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 89_o 90._o whether_o shall_v man_n persuade_v the_o poor_a to_o famish_v rather_o than_o against_o law_n to_o beg_v because_o if_o thousand_o of_o they_o die_v of_o famine_n yet_o other_o people_n be_v supply_v ib._n p._n 102._o q._n 14._o whether_o the_o ancient_a christian_a pastor_n preach_v not_o against_o the_o will_n of_o prince_n for_o 300_o year_n and_o after_o that_o against_o the_o will_n of_o christian_a prince_n as_o constantius_n valens_n theodosius_n junior_a valentinian_n etc._n etc._n and_o whether_o not_o only_a apostle_n say_v that_o god_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v rather_o than_o man_n but_o such_o as_o timothy_n who_o be_v ordain_v by_o man_n be_v not_o strict_o charge_v before_o god_n and_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n who_o will_v judge_n the_o live_n and_o dead_a at_o his_o appear_v and_o kingdom_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o be_v instant_a in_o season_n etc._n etc._n ib._n p._n 226_o 227._o q._n 15._o whether_o any_o man_n have_v authority_n to_o forbid_v a_o faithful_a minister_n of_o christ_n who_o forfeit_v not_o his_o office-power_n to_o perform_v the_o office_n to_o which_o he_o be_v ordain_v and_o whether_o such_o remain_v not_o under_o a_o divine_a obligation_n which_o man_n law_n can_v dissolve_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o right_a as_o bishop_n bilson_n say_v if_o prince_n forbid_v we_o we_o must_v go_v on_o with_o our_o work_n what_o if_o a_o interdict_v silence_v all_o the_o minister_n in_o a_o kingdom_n must_v all_o obey_v what_o if_o it_o silence_v more_o than_o can_v be_v spare_v without_o the_o church_n wrong_v and_o who_o law_n be_v they_o that_o will_v so_o bind_v be_v it_o infidel_n prince_n or_o only_a christian_n be_v it_o papist_n etc._n etc._n or_o only_o the_o orthodox_n must_v god_n ask_v leave_n of_o ruler_n to_o be_v worship_v as_o god_n have_v god_n make_v man_n judge_n whether_o the_o gospel_n shall_v be_v preach_v or_o not_o or_o whether_o people_n shall_v be_v save_v or_o leave_v to_o perish_v in_o their_o ignorance_n and_o sin_n and_o how_o come_v the_o orthodox_n to_o be_v authorize_v to_o do_v mischief_n or_o to_o forbid_v the_o needful_a preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n any_o more_o than_o a_o heretic_n or_o a_o christian_a more_o than_o a_o heathen_a be_v he_o not_o bind_v to_o do_v more_o good_a than_o they_o rather_o than_o authorize_v to_o do_v more_o hurt_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 84_o 85._o or_o 78_o 79._o see_v also_o p._n 21._o q._n 16._o where_o such_o sin_n be_v make_v the_o condition_n of_o ministration_n by_o man_n in_o power_n as_o that_o all_o the_o whole_a ministry_n of_o a_o kingdom_n be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o deny_v consent_n and_o conformity_n thereto_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o the_o duty_n of_o all_o the_o ministry_n in_o primo_fw-la instanti_fw-la to_o forbear_v their_o ministerial_a office_n or_o of_o none_o the_o reason_n be_v the_o same_o to_o all_o now_o if_o all_o these_o must_v forbear_v or_o lay_v down_o their_o office_n because_o forbid_v by_o man_n to_o exercise_v it_o then_o be_v it_o not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o a_o prince_n to_o cast_v out_o christianity_n when_o he_o please_v and_o to_o deny_v god_n all_o public_a worship_n and_o must_v we_o not_o then_o ask_v leave_v of_o ruler_n that_o christ_n may_v be_v christ_n and_o soul_n may_v be_v save_v as_o if_o the_o key_n of_o heaven_n and_o hell_n be_v they_o first_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 114_o 115._o but_o whether_o must_v not_o all_o agree_v that_o to_o silence_v all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o nation_n be_v a_o thing_n that_o god_n have_v not_o give_v any_o man_n authority_n to_o do_v because_o of_o the_o necessity_n of_o their_o ministry_n and_o consequent_o to_o silence_v any_o necessary_a ministry_n at_o all_o ib._n p._n 223._o and_o if_o all_o must_v not_o lay_v down_o their_o ministry_n why_o must_v a_o 1000_o or_o 2000_o do_v it_o rather_o than_o all_o the_o rest_n if_o it_o be_v say_v the_o rest_n be_v a_o competent_a supply_n to_o the_o church_n how_o shall_v we_o be_v sure_a that_o other_o man_n sin_v will_v absolve_v the_o innocent_a from_o their_o duty_n as_o if_o i_o be_v bind_v to_o be_v a_o minister_n only_o till_o other_o man_n will_v sin_n and_o where_o can_v the_o wit_n of_o man_n ever_o set_v bound_n as_o to_o this_o matter_n will_v it_o not_o be_v grant_v that_o if_o the_o most_o in_o france_n conform_v to_o popery_n this_o will_v not_o disoblige_v all_o other_o from_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o ministry_n and_o who_o then_o can_v say_v what_o those_o untruth_n and_o sin_n be_v which_o a_o weak_a and_o err_a ministry_n may_v be_v guilty_a of_o which_o shall_v serve_v to_o disoblige_v the_o rest_n and_o be_v not_o this_o a_o easy_a way_n to_o introduce_v any_o error_n by_o forbid_v any_o but_o the_o defender_n of_o it_o to_o preach_v ib._n p._n 115_o 116._o q._n 17._o whether_o god_n have_v authorize_v the_o magistrate_n to_o choose_v and_o command_v in_o what_o word_n only_o every_o pastor_n shall_v public_o pray_v to_o god_n and_o what_o book_n and_o word_n of_o man_n he_o shall_v profess_v assent_n and_o consent_v to_o and_o what_o dedicate_a symbol_n of_o christianity_n he_o shall_v use_v as_o engage_v in_o the_o christian_a covenant_n and_o to_o command_v ceremony_n and_o mode_n for_o dissent_n wherein_o he_o shall_v deny_v baptism_n and_o church-communion_n to_o all_o dissenter_n though_o the_o thing_n be_v take_v to_o be_v indifferent_a by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o great_a sin_n by_o the_o dissenter_n answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 14._o q._n 18._o whether_o pastor_n usurp_v not_o power_n over_o one_o another_o when_o they_o command_v all_o about_o they_o to_o speak_v to_o man_n from_o god_n or_o to_o god_n from_o man_n in_o no_o other_o word_n but_o what_o they_o the_o usurper_n shall_v write_v they_o down_o make_v minister_n but_o crier_n to_o read_v their_o prescript_n and_o proclamation_n second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 142._o q._n 19_o whether_o any_o but_o volunteer_n shall_v be_v take_v for_o true_a christian_n or_o admit_v to_o holy_a communion_n to_o receive_v the_o seal_n of_o pardon_n and_o life_n way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 27._o §_o 7._o and_o whether_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v constrain_v to_o administer_v sacrament_n to_o any_o against_o their_o conscience_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o their_o office_n to_o be_v judge_n who_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v and_o to_o communicate_v ib._n p._n 123._o q._n 20._o if_o any_o be_v urge_v to_o take_v a_o re-ordination_a against_o their_o judgement_n whether_o moral_n must_v not_o be_v prefer_v before_o ritual_n and_o ritual_n never_o set_v against_o they_o and_o whether_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v of_o this_o mind_n that_o deny_v the_o scripture_n to_o have_v unchangeable_o fix_v all_o ritual_n and_o yet_o confess_v that_o moral_n be_v fix_o determine_v ib._n p._n 214_o 215._o it_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o temper_n of_o the_o gospel_n which_o ever_o subject_v ceremony_n rite_n and_o external_n order_n to_o moral_n and_o to_o man_n good_a and_o the_o great_a end_n ib._n three_o part_n p._n 81._o q._n 21._o when_o the_o most_o learned_a sober_a judicious_a conformist_n differ_v not_o at_o all_o from_o we_o about_o the_o matter_n itself_o to_o which_o we_o deny_v conformity_n but_o confess_v it_o to_o be_v unlawful_a as_o to_o the_o hard_a point_n of_o the_o impose_v subscription_n oath_n declaration_n and_o covenant_n and_o only_o take_v the_o word_n in_o such_o a_o sense_n in_o which_o we_o ourselves_o can_v take_v they_o be_v we_o persuade_v that_o it_o be_v indeed_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o they_o query_n hereupon_o how_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o they_o who_o be_v as_o much_o as_o we_o against_o that_o sense_n which_o we_o disow_v and_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o matter_n shall_v deserve_v liberty_n honour_n and_o preferment_n for_o otherwise_o interpret_n the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n which_o the_o lawgiver_n themselves_o will_v not_o interpret_v when_o our_o supposition_n that_o the_o lawmaker_n mean_v proper_o as_o they_o speak_v be_v take_v to_o deserve_v scorn_n silence_v etc._n etc._n from_o they_o that_o will_v not_o expound_v their_o word_n to_o we_o judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 116_o 117._o and_o see_v as_o those_o worthy_a conformist_n must_v grant_v that_o if_o the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n be_v proper_o to_o be_v understand_v and_o not_o with_o their_o limitation_n than_o the_o conformist_n be_v in_o the_o wrong_n and_o the_o nonconformist_n in_o the_o right_a
whether_o it_o be_v not_o justice_n to_o tell_v the_o world_n and_o write_v it_o on_o our_o cross_n that_o we_o be_v silence_v etc._n etc._n because_o we_o dare_v not_o take_v oath_n and_o covenant_n impose_v in_o term_n exclude_v limitation_n and_o exception_n in_o a_o limit_a except_v sense_n without_o the_o explication_n of_o the_o lawmaker_n ib._n p._n 120_o 121._o q._n 22._o suppose_v the_o sin_n be_v on_o the_o silence_a minister_n part_n yet_o if_o their_o error_n be_v in_o a_o small_a and_o difficult_a matter_n not_o deserve_v silence_v as_o they_o rom._n 14._o about_o meat_n and_o day_n etc._n etc._n whether_o it_o may_v not_o be_v a_o far_o great_a sin_n and_o schism_n in_o the_o silencer_n than_o in_o they_o first_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 116._o though_o the_o magistrate_n ought_v to_o silence_v all_o preacher_n that_o after_o due_a admonition_n so_o gross_o misbehave_v themselves_o in_o doctrine_n worship_n or_o conversation_n as_o to_o be_v the_o plague_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o do_v apparent_o more_o hurt_v than_o good_a yet_o as_o to_o all_o worthy_a and_o able_a minister_n if_o they_o commit_v any_o fault_n whether_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v punish_v only_o as_o other_o subject_n with_o such_o penalty_n as_o shall_v not_o by_o silence_v or_o restraint_n be_v a_o punishment_n to_o the_o people_n soul_n nor_o hinder_v the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n of_o salvation_n even_o as_o if_o the_o common_a baker_n brewer_n butcher_n carpenter_n perform_v their_o work_n pernicious_o poison_v their_o bread_n beer_n meat_n etc._n etc._n they_o shall_v be_v forbid_v their_o trade_n but_o shall_v they_o for_o other_o fault_n be_v so_o punish_v that_o the_o people_n be_v leave_v without_o bread_n beer_n meat_n and_o house_n for_o their_o fault_n moral_n prognostication_n p._n 55._o §_o 32._o be_v there_o no_o fit_a mean_n than_o silence_v to_o correct_v such_o minister_n be_v it_o not_o a_o sin_n to_o silence_v they_o when_o their_o ministry_n be_v needful_a ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 20_o 21._o have_v image_n be_v lawful_o use_v in_o place_n or_o exercise_n of_o god_n worship_n yet_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o inhuman_a and_o unchristian_a in_o those_o bishop_n and_o council_n who_o curse_v from_o christ_n all_o that_o be_v of_o a_o contrary_a mind_n and_o eject_v and_o silence_v the_o dissenter_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 89._o §_o 25._o q._n 23._o whether_o do_v man_n take_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o suffer_v we_o to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o a_o great_a sin_n than_o to_o suffer_v the_o inundation_n of_o infidelity_n popery_n and_o the_o rest_n which_o they_o say_v be_v ready_a to_o break_v in_o upon_o we_o or_o whether_o do_v they_o judge_v our_o not_o subscribe_v swear_v etc._n etc._n so_o great_a a_o sin_n in_o we_o that_o the_o punishment_n lay_v on_o swearer_n drunkard_n or_o fornicator_n will_v not_o serve_v turn_n to_o avenge_v it_o on_o ourselves_o nor_o any_o other_o of_o our_o personal_a suffering_n unless_o the_o soul_n of_o many_o 1000_n and_o the_o protestant_a religion_n and_o our_o posterity_n also_o suffer_v for_o it_o sacril_n desert_n p._n 138_o 139._o q._n 24._o whether_o magistrate_n and_o pastor_n must_v not_o distinguish_v of_o error_n and_o fault_n of_o subject_n whether_o some_o be_v not_o tolerable_a and_o therefore_o to_o be_v tolerate_v and_o some_o intolerable_a and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v tolerate_v whether_o they_o that_o cry_v out_o one_o and_o all_o why_o not_o one_o as_o well_o as_o another_o will_v say_v if_o a_o foot_n must_v be_v cut_v off_o for_o a_o gangreen_n why_o not_o for_o a_o corn_n second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 162._o §_o 49._o q._n 25._o whether_o he_o that_o know_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o man_n and_o a_o sinner_n and_o be_v penitent_o conscious_a what_o abundance_n of_o great_a sin_n he_o have_v than_o the_o conscientious_a forbearance_n of_o a_o ceremony_n or_o needless_a oath_n or_o subscription_n will_v not_o be_v very_o tender_a of_o his_o usage_n of_o other_o for_o such_o matter_n ib._n p._n 1●3_n §_o 52_o q_o 26._o whether_o a_o tender_a conscience_n be_v not_o the_o same_o with_o what_o god_n have_v promise_v even_o a_o heart_n of_o flesh_n a_o conscience_n that_o have_v spiritual_a life_n and_o feel_v and_o be_v sensible_a of_o the_o evil_a of_o the_o least_o sin_n ib._n p._n 163_o 164._o §_o 54._o and_o whether_o the_o impose_v of_o unnecessary_a subscription_n profession_n or_o oath_n be_v not_o the_o way_n to_o fill_v the_o church_n with_o man_n that_o be_v not_o trouble_v with_o tender_a conscience_n and_o that_o have_v no_o fear_n of_o god_n or_o sin_n and_o whether_o he_o that_o believe_v that_o ever_o he_o shall_v be_v judge_v by_o the_o great_a pastor_n of_o the_o flock_n shall_v not_o be_v as_o much_o at_o least_o afraid_a of_o let_v in_o such_o presbyter_n into_o the_o church_n as_o of_o endure_v holy_a faithful_a man_n that_o fear_v a_o lie_n or_o oath_n or_o superstition_n ib._n p._n 164._o §_o 55._o q._n 27._o whether_o every_o man_n have_v not_o sin_n of_o ignorance_n and_o some_o degree_n of_o error_n and_o whether_o have_v not_o some_o faithful_a man_n more_o than_o other_o and_o do_v they_o not_o take_v some_o sin_n to_o be_v duty_n or_o no_o sin_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 181._o and_o whether_o he_o that_o make_v a_o canon_n to_o silence_n or_o excommunicate_v or_o cast_v out_o man_n for_o a_o fault_n common_a to_o all_o preacher_n christian_n and_o man_n do_v not_o make_v a_o canon_n to_o silence_n or_o cast_v out_o all_o preacher_n pastor_n and_o man_n and_o if_o we_o deserve_v to_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o kingdom_n in_o the_o case_n of_o nonconformity_n to_o the_o present_a imposition_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o either_o because_o we_o be_v weak_a or_o ignorant_a or_o wicked_a and_o whether_o we_o may_v not_o here_o profess_v to_o the_o world_n our_o joyful_a consent_n to_o be_v silence_v and_o banish_v on_o condition_n that_o the_o diocesan_n will_v effectual_o provide_v that_o none_o more_o weak_a more_o ignorant_a and_o more_o wicked_a shall_v be_v tolerate_v in_o church_n and_o kingdom_n when_o we_o be_v go_v and_o that_o no_o detriment_n shall_v befall_v hi●_n majesty_n dominion_n by_o the_o diminution_n of_o his_o subject_n second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 164_o 165._o §_o 57_o 58._o q._n 28._o whether_o a_o diversity_n of_o circumstance_n and_o indifferent_a modes_n in_o divers_a church_n or_o parish_n and_o sometime_o in_o the_o same_o church_n be_v such_o a_o dreadful_a mischief_n as_o some_o frightful_a pastor_n will_v make_v themselves_o and_o other_o believe_v or_o whether_o it_o be_v to_o be_v compare_v with_o the_o consequent_n of_o unnecessary_a impositi●ns_n second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 158._o §_o 44._o q._n 29._o whether_o be_v there_o no_o difference_n in_o their_o form_n or_o modes_n of_o worship_n between_o basil_n at_o caesarea_n and_o the_o church_n at_o neocoeserea_n and_o between_o rome_n and_o milan_n and_o between_o almost_o all_o the_o catholic_n bishop_n for_o many_o hundred_o year_n and_o whether_o be_v there_o not_o so_o now_o one_o parish-minister_n pray_v free_o in_o the_o pulpit_n before_o and_o after_o sermon_n another_o by_o a_o form_n a_o three_o bi●ding_v prayer_n before_o etc._n etc._n sacril_n desert_n p._n 34._o and_o be_v not_o difference_n in_o many_o point_n of_o doctrine_n as_o great_a a_o difference_n as_o use_v and_o not_o use_v some_o of_o the_o liturgick_a form_n and_o ceremony_n ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 46_o or_o 48._o q._n 30._o whether_o the_o present_a full_a conformity_n require_v will_v ever_o be_v the_o term_n of_o the_o full_a desirable_a unity_n and_o concord_n of_o the_o christian_a protestant_n in_o his_o majesty_n dominion_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o moral_o impossible_a to_o bring_v all_o good_a christian_n judgement_n to_o hold_v all_o this_o conformity_n lawful_a and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o as_o impossible_a to_o bring_v they_o all_o to_o conform_v to_o that_o which_o they_o judge_v unlawful_a second_v plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 172._o §_o 80._o whether_o there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n of_o visage_n than_o of_o intellectual_a apprehension_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 81._o and_o while_o there_o will_v be_v difference_n in_o judgement_n even_o among_o christian_n and_o good_a and_o tolerable_a christian_n whether_o can_v other_o be_v expect_v than_o that_o there_o will_v be_v also_o difference_n in_o profession_n and_o in_o practice_n will_v not_o honest_a man_n profession_n and_o practice_n agree_v in_o the_o main_a with_o their_o judgement_n whether_o then_o be_v it_o to_o be_v expect_v that_o if_o some_o man_n think_v that_o long_o doctrinal_a confession_n form_v in_o man_n private_a word_n or_o liturgy_n or_o other_o humane_a form_n have_v nothing_o in_o they_o