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A87227 Confidence questioned: or, A brief examination of some doctrines delivered by M. Thomas Willes of Bottolphs Billings-Gate, in a sermon preached by him at Margrets New-Fish-Street, the 7th of Decemb. 1657. Also, some questions touching his pretended call and authority to preach the Gospel. By Jeremiah Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1657 (1657) Wing I1095; Thomason E932_2; ESTC R207665 8,815 18

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Confidence questioned OR A Brief Examination Of some Doctrines delivered By M. THOMAS WILLES of Bottolphs Billings-Gate In a Sermon preached by him At Margrets New-Fish-Street the 7th of Decemb. 1657. ALSO Some QUESTIONS touching his pretended Call and Authority to preach the GOSPEL By Jeremiah Ives Prov. 18.17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just but his neighbour comes and searcheth him Rev. 2.2 And hast tried them which say they are Apostles and are not and hast found them lyers Act. 17.11 These were more noble then those of Thessalonica in that they received the word with all readiness of minde and searched the Scriptures dayly whether those things were so LONDON Printed for Daniel White and are to be sold at the seven Stars in Paul's Church-yard or are to be had at the Author's House in Red-Cross-Street 1685. To the Impartial Reader Reader IT is matter of great admiration to see men sacrificing their Reasons and Judgements upon the Altar of blinde Zeal and Devotion it is also matter of lamentation to see men who would be judged Christians suck in Opinions as wild Asses do the Wind without Trial and Examination and so become impatient of contradiction and all this while forget that blessed Rule of trying the Spirits whether they be of God or no. I shall therefore soberly propose some Questions for Conscience sake which I desire may be weighed and considered some of which Questions are those that I had intended to have propounded to Mr. Willes in publick had I not been prevented by a tumultuous Auditory some pulling and haling me others threatning to throw me over the Gallery If this look like a Spirit of Christianity I confess my self to be very ignorant of a Christian Spirit sure this Spirit is more like the Spirit of the Primitive Persecutors then the Primitive Professors of Christ and yet these are the Men that cry up a Reformation according to the Primitive Institution If the Light of these ensuing Questions shall give Light to the Conscience of any or their Answers give Light to my own Conscience I shall bless the Father of Lights who hath not suffered me to labour in vain That some such good may be the product hereof is the desire of him who is thine in the service of Christ Jer. Ives Confidence questioned Mr. Willes IT hath always been the practice of Deceivers to sow their Tares among the pure Wheat and to blend their Errors with choice Truths I shall not say you did any such thing by design but that you did it the Light of these ensuing Questions will manifest and if you would have me be so charitable as to think you did not project such a thing I pray then do not refuse to come to the Light that your deeds may be made manifest and remember That Truth seeks no corners and if therefore you are confident of the truth of what you have delivered fear not the face of opposition It is enough for Turks and Jews Papists and Hereticks to assert that which they fear publickly to dispute because they are conscious of the brittleness of such Assertions and therefore are loft to hazard them in the Fire of Disputation Let those then fear the Touch-stone whose Coyn is counterfeit and not Men that are Gospel-Preachers lest Men have occasion to call them counterfeit-Silver I pray you therefore so far to honour that which you have publickly asserted if it be Truth as to answer these Questions that relate to those things which you then delivered ONe thing asserted by you was That it was not lawful for any to preach ordinarily and constantly but such as were ordained except it was for approbation or in cases of necessity when such Ordination cannot be had The first Question that I desire to be resolved in is Whether any thing can be charged as sin upon any but what is against a Divine Law since the Apostle saith Rom. 4.5 Where there is no Law there is no transgression 1 John 3.4 Sin is the transgression of a Law 2. Whether by any Law of God it is a sin for men that are gifted for the Ministry to preach the truth of Christ to the Edification of their Brethren although they were not put upon it by reason of your supposed necessity or though they should never be ordained to Office 3. If there be any Law manifesting such a practise to be sinful pray tell me where that Law is written that so I may see my error and reform 4. If there be a liberty for gifted men to preach in order to their approbation for Office as you confess pray tell me whether they do not preach in the capacity of gifted Brethren before their Ordination since they cannot preach by vertue of Office while as yet they are not in it 5. If they preach as gifted Brethren before their Ordination then I quere How long they may thus preach till their preaching becomes sinful 6. If you say Till the Ministry or Presbyters approve them and are very well satisfied with their abilities and qualifications for that imployment then I quere How if this man whom they approve of is unsatisfied with their power to ordain him is it then a sin for him to preach till he is satisfied with their power 7. How if a man be gifted and enabled to preach the Gospel to edification and comfort and yet finds himself very short of a power to rule the Church of God as that Office requires or it may be wants faithful Children such as are not accused of ryct it may be he hath not power over his passion but may be soon angry c. which are those qualifications that Paul tells Timothy and Titus MUST be found in such officers see 1 Tim. 3.4 5. Titus 1.6 7. I quere from hence Whether a man should sin to use those gifts God hath blessed him withal out of Office because he hath not all those qualifications that are required before he be admitted to Office And whereas you say it is a sin for people to hear such as are not ordained except as before excepted I quere 8. Whether there is any Law of God broken when I hear the truth of Christ preached by any that are not ordained if so shew me where that Law is to be found 9. Whether or no Apollos did not preach the Gospel as is recorded Act. 18.24 25 26 27 28. publickly and freequently and whether he could be an Officer of the Church at that time seeing he knew ONELY the baptisme of John or was not acquainted with the baptisme of the Spirit therefore pray shew us that he was at this time an Officer or else that he preached for approbation to it or that he preached by vertue of any necessity By vertue of necessity he did not preach for there were able Christians before such as the Text saith did instruct him And if he preached at this time as an Officer or for approbation thereunto pray shew h●w that