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sonne that so many as beleeue in him should not perish but haue euerlasting life In this worlde externally hath for our sakes sent out the Aungels to minister Preseruation Heb. 1 14. internally hath giuen vs the spirit of adoption whereby wee crie Abba father Sanctification Rom. 8 15 16. the same spirite beareth witnesse with our spirit that wee are the children of God Glorification 1. Cor. 2.9 against the world to come hath prepared for vs the things which eye hath not seene neither eare hath heard neither came in-the heart of man Sonne Being bound by so many bonds to the seruice of God Assurance that God inthroneth Caesar a great motiue to allegiance I should euer most willingly serue Caesar if it would please you to shewe some proofe that Caesar is enthroned by God Father Proofe of that doth the scripture shewe both by plaine testimonies Double profe that God in throned Caesar Plaine testimonies And those bee affirmatiue Wisd 6 23 and euident arguments By plaine testimonies and that both affirmatiuely and negatiuely affirmatiuely So saith the Wiseman Giue eare ye that rule the multitudes glorie in the multitude of the people for the rule is giuen you of the Lord and power by the most high vncreated wisdome by me kings raigne Prou. 8.15 and princes decree iustice The prophet He taketh away kinges Dan. 2 21. Rom. 13 1 Or negatiue hee setteth vp kings the Apostle The powers that be are ordained of God Negatiuely So Christ to his disciples Math. 10 29 Not a Sparrow falleth to the ground without your father So Christ to Pilate Iohn 19 11 Rom. 13 1.2 euident arguments Thou couldest haue no power at all against me except it were giuen thee from aboue So Saint Paul There is no power but of God Sonne These euident testimonies be sufficient proofes but yet what I beseech you be the other arguments Father His spirit altering their hearts 1. Sam. 10.9 1. Sam. 16.19 His spirite altering their hearts Soone after Saul was anointed king God gaue him another heart From the day that Samuel anointed Dauid the spirit of the Lord came vpon Dauid His eyes securing their thrones Iob. 36.7 Their end Rom. 13.6 The title he taketh of them to himselfe Psal 10.16 The title he giueth them with his own mouth Psal 82 6. His direction of their hearts tongues and hands His eies securing their thrones His eies are with kings in the throne where he placeth thē for euer thus they are exalted Their ende beeing to do him seruice They are Gods ministers applying themselues for the same thing The title that he taketh from them to himselfe The Lord is king for euer and euer The title he with his own mouth giueth to them Ego dixi not any creature in heauen or earth but the Creator of heauen earth he saith I haue said ye are Gods The kings heart is in the hand of the Lord he turneth it whensoeuer it pleaseth him In the kings heart is the will of God Prou. 21.1 Prou. 16.10 2. Chro. 19.9 in the kings mouth is the decree of God in the signing of the kings hand the iudgements of God Sonne More cleare is it then the light Obiection Answere Euill Of Crime Of Paine Euill of crime is not of God Hee needeth it not Gen. 17.1 He forbiddeth it 1. Iohn 3.4 He licenceth no man to do it Ecclus. 15.20 He hateth all that cōmit it Psal 55. Heaccurseth it Deut. 28.15 He seuerely punisheth it The Impenitent hee eternally cōdemneth for it Math. 25.41 that all good princes are of God but since euery euill prince is so great an euill so great a plague how can he be of God who is the onely spring from whence all goodnesse flow Father There is an euill of Crime and an euill of paine the euill of crime is sinne the euill of paine is the punishment of Sinne. The euill of crime is not of God God béeing all sufficient doth not need it It is the transgression of the Lawe therefore he doeth forbid it hee commaunded no man to doe it neither gaue hee any man a licence for it hee hateth all them that commit it he accurseth it he I call to witnesse Adam thrust out of Paradise the olde world drowned with the floud Sodom and Gomor flaming with fire the Sonne of God for the sinnes of men giuing vp his Ghost vpon the Crosse seuerely punisheth it and in the impenitent he eternally condemneth it The euill of Pain is of God Esay 45.7 Amos. 3.6 A good King cometh from the right hand of Gods mercie An euil king from the left hand of Gods Iustice Hosea 13.11 For the sins of the people hee suffereth the hipocrite to raigne Iob. 34.30 2. A good King to fal 2 Sam. 24.1 1 Cron. 21 1. 3. Chaungeth Kings Prou. 28.2 4. Punishe Prince people 1 Sam. 12.25 ● Bringeth euill from the good Prince vpon the euill The euill of Paine is the punishment of sin and this is throwne from the Throne of God vppon the heads of wicked men I sayth the Lord forme the light and create darknesse I make peace and create euill the Prophet of the Lord shall there bee euill in a Cittie and the Lord hath not done it As a good Kinge commeth from the right hand of Gods mercie so an euill King from the left hande of Gods Iustice Sometimes for our sinnes hee giueth an euill Kinge I gaue thee a Kinge in mine anger he maketh the Hipocrite to raigne for the sinnes of the people for the sinnes of the people he suffereth a good King to fall Israell hauing sinned against God God suffered Sathan to put into Dauids heart the numbering of the people for the sinnes of the people hée changeth Kinges for the transgression of the Lande there are many Princes thereof For the sins of Prince and people God punisheth the Prince and people If ye doe wickedly ye shall perish both yee and your Kinge If thou béest euill euill shall come to thée from him though hee bee good for he is the Minister of God to take vengeance on him that doth euill Rom. 13.4 Titles of euill princes shewe thē to be Instruments of gods Iustice Since therefore euerie Prince both good and bad is of God therefore calleth hee Ashur the Rod of his wrath the staffe in their handes his indignation therefore calleth he Nabuchodonozor king of Babell his seruant Esay 10.5 Rodde of his wrath Ieremie 27.6 seruant Esay 45.1 annointed Flagellum Dei Ira Dei 1 Peter 2.18 therfore calleth hée Cyrus his Annointed therefore I take it did Attila call him selfe Gods scourge and Themir-cuthclu vulgarly Tamberlaine himselfe the wrath of God as Peter commaundeth seruants to bee subiect to their Maisters with all feare not onely to the good and courteous but also to the froward so I aduise all Subiects to bée subiect to their Princes with al feare not
doing the will of God from the heart will much more that subiects shall so serue their Soueraignes Hee knoweth the imagination of the thoughts of our heartes and vnderstandeth al imaginations of thoughts 1. Chro. 28.9 will haue an inquisition made for the thoughts of the vngodly Wisd 1.9 and if thou wilt not heare him curse not the king no not in thy thought God both Wisd 20.1.3 hee from whome wicked thoughtes doe seperate will haue it reuealed for the fowles of the heauen shall carrie the voice And threatneth the reuealing of treacherous thoughts and that which hath wings shal declare the matter Sonne How can the fowles of heauen carrie a voyce how can that which hath winges declare it or any man discouer the thoughts of our hearts Father Examples of secret sinnes reuealed Acts. 5.2.3 Dan. 13.45 46 54.58 2. Pet. 2.26 Hee who shewed to Saint Peter the secrete compact of Ananias and Saphira he who raised vp the holy spirit of a yong childe to cleare Susanna and conuict the wicked Iudges he who caused the dumbe Asse speaking with mans voyce to forbid the foolishnesse of the Prohhet he who discouered Bessus his Paracide by the chattertng of Swallowes Plutarch he can cause euerie foule of heauen and euerie creature vpon the earth to reueale and reuenge our mutinous Wisd 5.17 20 flaunderous sedicious and impious thoughts against Caesar Sonne To him that hath not denied the power of godlinesse it is inough that God hath forbid vs to curse the king in our thought to euerie beleeuer it is inough that God hath foretold the declaring of such thoughts to euery one that is not an open Infidell it is inough that he neede not go farre for an informer If they with Michal despise Dauid in their heerts Michals thought vttered by her owne tongue their owne tongues sometimes with Michals vtter it O how glorious was the king of Israel this day which was vncouered to day in the eyes of the Maydens of his seruants as a foole vncouereth himselfe and with her And punished by Gods hand 2. Sam. 6.20.23 for this crime receiue punishment at the handes of God Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child vnto the day of her death Yet pardon mee though I desire to know whether mans law forbid euill thoughts of Caesar Father The lawes of men for common crimes punish onely wordes Both the ciuil and common law punish treacherous thoughts with death 13. Eliz. 1. and deedes but for this point of high treason if any man hath thought it though hee neuer attempted it the lawe both Ciuill and Common doth punish him with death Sonne But was there euer such a president seene The law in this point when where executed Father Neither farre hence nor long since neede we looke for such a president That Norman Gentleman who confessed to a Franciscan Frier that he had a thought to kil Frances the first of France though he had changed his minde repented and asked pardon of that crime yet the Frier reporting it to the King and the King referring it to the Parliament of Paris the graue court of that great Parliamēt though that king shewed himselfe very gracious condemned him to death Yea so great detestation is there to bee had of the least shew of violence to the prince that whereas the law excuseth madde men from punishment Madnesse excuseth not the shew of violence to the Prince madnesse it selfe being so great a punishment yet when Capito a man raging mad drew his sworde vpon Henrie the sonne of king Frances hee was therefore executed Sonne Since to offend Caesar euen in the thoughts of my heart it is prohibited and punished both by God and man how may my heart be preserued from wicked thoughts against Caesar Father The custodie of the heart is the preseruatiue of the tongue and whole bodie As hee that woulde haue a streame sweet wholsome wil haue care that the spring bee kept from poyson and all corruption so if thou wilt haue the words of thy tongue and the works of thy hande to sauour nothing but pure alleagiance then must thou of necessitie first see that the thoughts of thy heart bee pure from this venemous infection That thy thoughts may be pure from al corruption thy heartmust bee puryfied and kept Purifying of the heart necessarie in respect of originall corruption Gen. 8.21 daungerous polution 1 Cor. 5.6 and a fearefull Wisdom 1.4 assertion Ieremie 4.14 What purifyeth our harts Iames. 2.19 Acts. 15.9 and how Reuel 1.5 Sonne How is that done Father By purifying thy heart By kéeping thy heart Sonne Needeth my heart purifying Father In regard of the originall corruption in regard of the dangerous polution in regard of a fearefull assertion I say with Ieremie O Ierusalem wash thine heart from wickednesse that thou mayest be saued how longe shall thy wicked thoughtes remaine within thée Sonne What is that gift of God which purifyeth our hearts Father Faith not euerie Faith for the Diuels also beléeue and tremble Faith puryfieth the heartes for being the hand of the soule it apprehendeth applyeth vnto vs Iesus Christ who hath washed vs from our sinnes in his bloud Sonne What helpes bee there for the confirmation of our Faith Helpes hereof bee and purifying our hearts Father Prayer the word the Sacraments Prayer Psa 51.20 Prayer and therefore pray with Dauid Create in me a cleane hart O God and renew a right spirit within me Iohn 15.3 The word The word Now sayth Christ are ye cleane through the word which I haue spoken vnto you Iam. 1.23.25 The word as a glasse The word helpeth to purifie as water it helpeth to purifie as a glasse as a glasse it sheweth our corruptions as water it serueth to wash away our corruptions Prou. 13.14 As water helpeth to purify the heart The Sacraments 1. Mac. 6.34 The heart 1. Cor. 6.19 of a christian the holy of holyes Hence Integritie 16. in vs. Sacraments shewing the Lordes death till he come as the bloud of Grapes and Mulberies prouoked the Elephants to fight purifie our hearts and prouoke vs to fight against all corruptions that can come Sonne Must wee bee verie carefull of this Father If thy body be the Temple of the holy Ghost then must thy heart bee Sanctum sanctorum the holy of holyes Hence good in thée if the roote be holy so are the braunches if thy heart be cleane so will thy tongue so will thy handes Hence fauours on earth hee that loueth purenesse of heart Fauours on earth Prou. 22.11 for the grace of his lippes the Kinge shal be his friend Hence glorie in Heauen Math. 5.8 Felicitie in Heauen Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God Sonne So hath this of the puryfying of the heart rauished my heart that I desire for the keeping of my heart to be also
Lordes anoynted he is Gods minister If Dauid so reuenged the iniurie that was done to his Ambassador Sam. 1.14 Rom. 13.4 Dauids Iustice 2. Sam. 10.4 cap. 12.30.31 vpon the king of Ammon and all the Ammonites will God suffer will God suffer his Vice-gerent in his owne presence not to bee disfigured but destroyed of a priuate person And the diuine Vengeance especially of a Subiect Is God blind that he cannot sée it Is he improuident that he doth not obserue it Is he vniust that he will not or not omnipotent that hee can of reuenge it The Traitors terrour O when any Traitor thinketh such a thought considering with what a worlde of myracles God hath discouered them his hand should quiuer his head tremble his bodie quake his heart faile and his soule faint and yet need not God worke any myracle for euerie one that hath Dauids authoritie if there heart bee as like Dauids heart as Dauids heart was to Gods heart will presently with Dauid though it bee his Saule that is dead both commaunde his execution 2. Sam. 15.16 His reward to the Amalekite and giue this sentence Thy blood bee vpon thine owne head for thine owne mouth hath testified against thee saying I haue slaine the Lords anointed The third Cable The punishments of the disloyall to Caesar Sonne Since the haynousnesse of the Crime of treason is apparant may it please you to make the punishments of treason apparant Father That there is punishment it appeareth by that of the Apostle they that resist Rom. 23.2 shal receiue to themselues Iudgement of the gréeuousnesse of the Iudgement we may be assured by the hainousnes of the crime And further since the Lawe requireth that Offendours pay life for life eye for eye tooth for tooth Eçclus 21 23 24.25 hand for hand foote for foot burning for burning wound for wound stripe for stripe what wounds what burnings is he to endure that is guiltie of this Crime howe many féete howe many hands howe many eyes how many liues is he worthy to loose who so offendeth those feete of whom so many Thousand féete those hands of whome so many Thousand handes those eyes of whom so many Thousand eyes that life whereon so many Thousand liues depend Because hee hath not so many féete so many handes so many eyes so many liues therefore is he punished of God and punished of man Punished of man in his howse punished in Lands punished in Offices punished in death punished in buriall punished in Name and punished in Posteritie Punished in house In house for so was the house of Haman giuen to Quéene Ester Punished in Landes Esther 8.1 In Landes 2. Sam. 16.3.4 so Siba hauing falsely accused Mephiboseth to Dauid vntill the troth was known had all that was Mephiboseths giuen him by Dauid In Offices Punished in Offices so Abiathar the high Priest though for his fidelitie to Dauid in all his afflictions he had his life spared by Salomon 1. Kings 2.26.27 yet Salomon cast him cut from béeing Priest vnto the Lord. In bodie punished by imprisonment by drawing Punished in body by imprisonment and tortures in life after being drawn on a hurdle from prison to execution to shewe how hee had béene drawne by brutish passions and beastly affections by death By death extraordinarie and that not ordinarie as an ordinarie Malefactor but extradinarie as an extraordinarie Malefactor a Théefe taking goods from any man is hanged but because the Traitor offendeth no common member but the head of the whole Estate and in the head the whole estate being drawen is first hanged for I will omit the more exquisite punishments inflicted vpon Traitours in other Countreys his secrets to shewe hee was most vnworthy to bee begotten or to beget others cut off and throwne into the fire before his face his bellie ripped vp his heart the impure Vessell of pernitious Trecherie rent out thrown into the fire before his face his bodie hauing harboured so wicked a heart hauing béene the Cage of a rebellious spirite as it was in the bodie politique deuided by Treason from the head and other members so now by the Axe it is cut off from the head and deuided into many quarters Sonne How be they punished in buriall Father In buriall or rather by the defect of buriall are they punished Was it not a punishment that was foretolde by Ieremie of Iehoiakim the sonne of Iosiah Ieremie 22.18.19 he shall be buried as an Asse is buried Euen drawne and cast foorth without the walles of Ierusalem But greater is the punishment of traitors in their buriall then was that of Iehoiakim Iehoiakims buriall was the buriall of an Asse the Traitors buriall is worse then the buriall of an Asse an Asse drawne without the gates of Ierusalem and deuoured of dogs or the beasts of the field is soone forgotten but the Traitors bodie though our mercifull Soueraigne dooth herein manie times shew great mercie not drawne without the Gates Iudgement in buriall but fixed vpon the Gates of Ierusalem is not deuoured of the beasts of the fields and forgotten but exposed to the eyes and reserued in the memorie of men that as his perninitious attempts were an euill example to others so his mangled and vnburied lims might be a heedfull and dreadfull caucat to others Sonne In name Wherein are they further punished Father In name a good name saith the royall Preacher is better then good oyntment A good name saith he is to be chosen aboue great riches and louing fauour is aboue siluer and golde but the name of the wicked who so wicked as Rebels and Traitors shall rot rot Well were it for them if there name could so rot that it might vtterly bee extinguished but being putrified it giues a noysome sauor so that as that which Iacob said to Simeon and Leui ye haue So euery Traitors ofspring may say of their Sire Gen. 34.30 Thou hast made me stinke among the inhabitants of the Land What more odious smell to all true English hearts Then the vnhappie memorie of Cade Straw Ket Parrie and others of like deserts though greater estates Sonne Remaines there to the Rebell any further punishment after death but in their buriall and in their name Father To the Rebell there remaineth further punishmēt for though in England they put not to death euery one of the familie as they did in Persia In posteritie Esther 16.18 nor fiue of the Traitors nearest kinsfolke as they did in Macedonia yet euen among vs is the Traitour punished in his posteritie Sonne Since Kinges are Gods Ministers Rom. 13. Deut. 17.19 Obiec against punishment in posteritie and are to read in the word of God all the dayes of their life I greatly maruaile that they punish a Traytor in his posteritie since God himselfe hath sayd the same soule that sinneth it shall die Ezeki 18.20 the sonne shall
a Liō The sword not for a bare shew No saith Paul he beareth not the sword for nought Hence may it be that Salomon affirmeth of the seditions that their destruction shal rise sodainely Sodaine in the destruction of the seditious Prou. 24.22 To what we must take heede I therefore with Salomon aduertise thee to take heede to the mouth of the King If thou wilt haue another reason added to the former he saith where the worde of the king is there is power If thou wilt know how great power Ecces 8.2 4. the second of those Squires of the bodie making Orations before Darius and his Nobles telleth thee The greatnes of the Kinges power .. though men rule by land and sea and ouer all things in them yet is the king greater 1 Esdr 4.2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. for he ruleth all things and is Lord of them If hee bid them make Warre one against another they doe it If he send them against the enemies they goe and breake downe mountaines and wals and Towers they kill and are killed and doe not passe the commaundement of the king If he bid kill they kill if he say spare they spare if he bid smite they smite if he bid them make desolate they make desolate If he bid build they build If he bid cut of they cut of Feare the sword of Caesar the drawē sword of Caesar the powerful drawen sword of Caesar But especially for a wise man saith Salomon feareth and departeth from euil Prou. 14.16 A difference of the wise man and the foole Caesar punisheth the transgressor of the lawes of the land Caesar punisheth the trāsgressor of the lawes of God Rom. 13. Wherevpon and to what end this feare beareth the eyes of subiects What the vertuous subiect feareth Iob. 29.8 but a foole rageth and is carelesse feare to commit euill feare the breach of the lawes of the land feare the breach of the lawe of God feare the breach of the lawes of the land for the king of the land will take vengeance of the transgressions of the lawes of the land Feare the breach of the lawes of God for the King of the land being the Minister of God wil take vengeance on them that transgresse the lawe of God This feare carieth one eie of the Subiect vpon the Princes sword that he neuer prouoke it the other eye vpon the offence that he neuer commit it he feareth blame as much as paine reproach as much as torment dishonor as much as death So the young men fearing to be seene where and when they should not when they sawe Iob hid themselues This feare as the Porters keepe Traytours out of the Princes Courte This feare is a porter of the heart The ballast of the soule The bridle of the affections The naile that fasteneth vs in our duties Reuel 12.14 The two eyes of this feare be two wings wherewith we flie from Rebellion Hest 15.5.6.7.11 The two waiting women wherewith a subiects mind endued is prepared to the seruice and fauour of his Soueraigne Rom 13.7 keepeth treacherie out of the Subiectes heartes This feare as ballast preserueth the shippe from being ouerblowen of the winde keepeth the soule of the Subiect that shee be not ouerthrowen by others flatterie or her owne presumption This feare as a bridle curbes vs from all disobedience This feare as a naile fixeth vs firme in our dueties This feare as the woman in the Reuelation with the two winges fledde from the Dragon with her two eies flyeth from all Rebellion the seede of the Dragon This feare as Esther with her two maides comming into the presence of Assuerus was gratiously entertayned with these two eyes comes into the seruice and fauour of her Soueraigne This feare giue to Caesar to Cesar thou owest this feare Sonne The God of heauen imprint this feare in my heart But to this feare am I to adioyne honour Father Honour If as among the Elements the fire is most excellent If as among the creatures on earth man is most excellent 1. Cor. 15.41 If as among the starres of heauen one starre differeth from another starre in glorie So Caesar amongest men by the finger of God is made most excellent Honor are we to giue to Caesar least we beare false witnesse Who will not since honour is as the Philosopher sayth a testimonie of excellencie giue honour to Caesar least they beare false witnes not against their neighbor not against Caesar Least wee breake the Canon of the Apostle Rom. 13.7 but against God who hath exalted Caesar least they breake the Canon of the Apostle Giue honour to whom ye owe honour least they be vniust not giuing to euerie man his dutie Least wee bee vniust Least wee transgresse Gods Commandements Exod. 20.12 Lamen 4.16 Least we giue iuste occasion of complaint against our Nation least they transgresse Gods owne cōmandement least as Ieremie complained of the Iewes They reuerenced not the face of the Priestes some other complaine of the English they reuerenced not the face of the Prince The Priest is a figure of Christ the King is the figure of God If Nabuchodonozor setting vp a deade Image preuailed with his vngodly subiects at the sound of musicall Instruments Dan. 3.1.7 to worship it with honour forbidden of God Shall not God rather preuaile with his Seruants then Nabuchodonozor with his Subiects What the harmonie of the Scripture soundeth 1 Pet. 2.17 The Philosopher and the Scripture teacheth vs to honour Caesar The Philosopher compareth a king to a Father to a Phisition to a Pilot to a Shepheard Malach. 1.6 Caesar is to be honoured as a Father Eccus 38.1 to be honoured as a Phisition Our Caesar is a Phisition Politicall and Metaphysical shall 〈◊〉 Iehouah setting vp not a dead but as Menander calleth the King his liuing Image preuaile with all his godly Subiects at the swéete harmonie of the sacred Scripture sounding out with Saint Peter Honour the King to giue him that honour which hee hath commaunded Will you sée wherevnto the Philosopher compareth a King will you sée what titles God giueth a King The Philosopher compareth a King to a Father to a Phisition to a Pylot to a Sheepheard If I be a Father saith God where is mine honour If I be a Father may the king say where is mine honour Honour Caesar as a Phisition The Phisitian deliuering the bodie of man from euill humours and noysome diseases restoreth it to health Caesar deliuereth the body of the estate from euill humours from daungerous diseases preserueth the sacred Cleargie the honorable Nobilitie the well meaning Communaltie in perfect health Caesar is not onely a politicall but also a corporall and that not a Physicall but that you in Caesar may see an extraordinarie stampe of the finger of God a Metaphysicall ph●sitian curing that euill which to the skilfullest Chirurgions is incurable which one rarely skilfull in that