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A93206 A short conference between a scrupling Presbyterian, and a Puritan concerning maintenance for the gospel ministrie wherein dialogue-wise is lovingly argued; whether tythes, or any other stinted proportion of mens estates, may now under the gospel be required by the ministers, or pay'd by the people, by vertue of any expresse warrant, or good consequence from scripture. with a letter to the Assembly of Divines. Westminster Assembly (1643-1652) 1646 (1646) Wing S3582; Thomason E335_9; ESTC R200781 7,073 8

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would not devide the Inheritance betweene the two Brethren Luke 12. 13. 14. muchlesse would hee play the divider the carver for himselfe and all this is likwise inconsistent with the Ministers using by themselves or so much as countenancing in the civill Magistrate any compulsive means in or about their maintenace or any thing else which immediatly concerns he Gospel of Peace Prsb. But is it not to be feared that if the People be not compell●● to give maintenance unto the Ministers that in many Parishes the Pre●chers would not have wherewithall to live upon but must be constray 〈◊〉 to neglect their studye● and labour all the week long for reliefe of themselues and families with food and raiment wherby they would li●●●y become much unprepared if not totally disabled to Preach unto their P●rishioners on Sundayes in such a case as this were it net better to compell maintenance for a Preaching Ministrie then that there should be no Ministrie no preaching at all Pur. No doubtlesse for since wee have no warrant for levying suc● kind of maintenance it can not be of faith whatsoever is not faith is sin R●● 14. 23 and wee may not sinne wee may not doe evill that good may come th●●of Rom. 6. 1 Besids it is absolutly sinfull to make such asupposition to suppose that a true and painfull Ministrie should or can want maintenance since it cannot be without an absolute distrust of God ●ho● ha● promised to be their portion and inheritance Num. 18. 20. Deut. 10. 9. a●d since Paul said that it was better for him to die then that h●e sh●u●d bee prevented in his bosting of not making the Gospel chargable 2. Cor. 9. 15. 18. 23. even so ought every conscientious Minister to w●rk●●ith his owne hands and rather starve then goe to law or compell his P●rishioners to give him maintenance whether they will or no● and for the impertinent and over officious c●re which some seeme ●o have of upholding Gods Ministers by such indirect courses they out … the Constable I● is Gods worke to send and furnish us with Ministers and their duty to require maintenance after such a manner only ●s they are warranted in Christs Commission which bids them give freely as they have receaved freely Matt. 10. 8. and that when they were in ●ny place they should eate and drinke whatsoever was set before them Luke 1● 7. 8. Presb. But is there no third way no means of ind●fferency betwi●t t●king Tythes really or equivocally which as you insinuate will oblige us no l●sse then Paul sayes of Circumsi●ion to the keeping of the whole Law Gal. 5 3 4 that never made any one perfect Heb. 7. 11. 1● Is there I say noe medium betweene such a Leviticall kind of maintenance if you will have it so and becomming meer almes-men to li●e upon the Peoples charity Pur. Noe doubtl●s for as there is no third way of Goverment prescribed the people of God betweene or besides the Old and new Law or Testament so is it impossible there should be sound any other warrantable meanes of ●ay●ing maintenance unto the Ministers of eyther Testament then what God has therin prescribed them which under the old Law was a stinted Proportion even the Tyther whether the encreas were more or lesse for the Livi●ecall Preist-hood But for the Gospell Ministry nothing besides the charity and free bounty of the people which yet through faith became a larger portion then that of Tythes whilst the beleevers at some time and place had not only all things in common Ast. 2. 44. but such as had land● and houses sould all they had and laid the whole price thereof at the Apostles feete Act. 4. 34. 35. Presb. Tel me then deer Brother in Christ how a conscientious Minister ought to demean himself in his great extremity one who hither to has l●ved on Tythe which you cal robbery plunder and has not as yet faith enough to renounce them without a distrust that both himsele and family will bee reduced to beggary Pur. Deare Brothe● If you be truly conscientious and througly convinced you would quickly see as our Saviour saith how disadvantagious t were to you to gaine the whole world and loose your owne soule Matt. 16. 26. I will therefore deal cleerly with you as in the presence ef God the most exquisite Accountant and severest Iudge to all such as with Ananias and Sapphira presume to lye unto the Holy Ghost Ast. 5. The Law ordayned such asstole to restore fiue for one Exod. 22. 1. Zacheus according thereunto when hee was converted restored fourfold for whatsoever hee had taken from any body upon false accusation Luke 19 8. and with out restitution to such as have wherewithall all Casuists presume there can be no true repentance and consequently deny absolution If you be able therefore you must make restitution of all that you have extorted from your Parishioners under pretence of maintenance at lest unto such as will not freely remit the debt unto you and for the ●n●ur endevour to get faith in Gods Ordinances without which it is impossible to please him Heb. 11. 6. and as the Apostle Iam●s sayes you must not nay I may say you can not somuch as thinke too receive any thing of him without it Iames 1. 7. But on the contrary if you wil beleive the Scripture If you have faith but as a grain of musterd seed you might remove Mountaines Matt 17. 20. and receive of God whatsoever you shall aske 21. 22. Trust in him who has promised to bee your portion doe what God commands and leave the successe unto his Providence say with Iob that you will trust in God though hee should suffer you to starue Iob 13. 15. Rely upon the maintenance that hee has provided for you through the free gift of the Brethren 2. Cor. 9. 5. which to many of the Independant way as you may observe proves more beneficiall then Tythes and if it should fayle you which yet it cannot except through your owne want of faith you have notwithstanding your hands as well as your neighbours to get a living by and take this for a parting Word that it may leave deeper impression God who cloathes the Lil●y●s of the feild which neither take care nor worke more gloryously then Solomon in all his greatnes Math 6. 28. 29. and feeds the young ravens which cannot helpe themselves any other wise then by crying unto him Iob 38. 41. Psal 147. 9. will not let thee only his Gospel Minister with whom hee hath made a better Covenant and upon better Promises then with all the world besides Heb 8 6. be put to shifts for maintenance if thou bel●ivest if thou reliest upon him and hadst thou been born a Potentate or bred up to the most gainsomest calling in thine owne imagination wit●out this anker of faith thou must needs have miscarried and come to begga●ry God bring it home unto thy heart and move thee being once