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B02809 Duplies to the petition and replyes given in to the Commission of Parliament for Fines and Forefaultures, by Alexander Munro of Bear-Crofts Monroe, Alexander, fl. 1691. 1691 (1691) Wing D2647A; ESTC R174884 15,189 18

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