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A85389 Cretensis: or A briefe answer to an ulcerous treatise, lately published by Mr Thomas Edvvards, intituled Gangræna: calculated for the meridian of such passages in the said treatise, which relate to Mr. John Goodwin; but may without any sensible error indifferently serve for the whole tract. Wherein some of the best means for the cure of the said dangerous ulcer, called gangræna, and to prevent the spreading of it to the danger of the precious soules of men, are clearly opened, and effectually applied; / by the said John Goodvvin, a well-willer to the saints, in the work and patience of Jesus Christ. Published according to order. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1646 (1646) Wing G1161; Thomason E328_22; ESTC R35707 46,594 52

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some of his Church use to go unto on dayes of publick thankesgiving besides Bowles they are not conscious to themselves of transgressing either in Bowles or in any other sports on such dayes Thirdly and lastly we desire of him for the further vindication of himselfe in this charge when it shall next bee with him after the manner aforesaid that hee will please to speak it out that the world may hear on what day of publick Thanksgiving about what time or houre of the day whether fore-noon or afternoon whether in the morning or in the evening it was that Mr. Iohn Goodwin with severall of his Church went or on such dayes are wont to goe to Bowles and other sports For if it were on the evening of such a day that the deed was done it is no clean strain to say it was done in the day it selfe especially except some notice were given in the margin that he chargeth by the day naturall not artificiall And besides if it proves but an evening transgression the constant practice of the gravest Presbyterians themselves going to see the Fire works usually made in severall places of the Citie on every fifth of November being the most ancient and honorable day of publick thankesgiving unto the Nation will be an abundant atonement for it But Reader that thou maist understand ab ovo ad mala from the top to the toe the nature and tenor of that grand delinquencie in point of loosnesse which is here charged upon Mr. John Goodwin and severall of his Church the story truly and briefly is this Vpon the day ordered by Authority for publick Thanksgiving unto God for his gracious and good hand upon the new Modell in the victory at Nazeby the last Summer having preached somewhat long and to wearines in Michaels Cornhill in the fore-noon and being hereby somewhat indisposed to further labour that day I kept my house privatly in the afternoon till about five or six of the clock At which time two of the brethren comming in and finding me in no better posture desired me to walk out a little into the fields with them suggesting that a walk in the fresh aire might doe me some good So a walk we took the season being pleasant and faire and having walked about a quarter of a mile or very little more and being now upon returning one of those that were with me told the other and my selfe that if we thought good to ease our selves a little before wee returned there was a garden-house of a friend of his a man familiarly known also to my self and the other though of a differing judgement from us in point of discipline neere at hand and that if we pleased we might step in thither and repose our selves for a while Comming into the garden we betook our selves to an Arbour and there fate about halfe an houre During which time and I know not how long before there was a company playing at Bowles in a little Alley in the Garden whom I presume we shall not wrong in case we judge them Presbyterians though I confesse wee did not examine them upon the point But before this company had given over their exercise there came into the Garden to us some more of our acquaintance some of them of our others of them of M. Edwards judgement in point of Church-government When the company that all this while had been bowling quit their ground one in our company I remember not who or of what judgement asked mee if I would not stirre my self a little by casting a Bowle before I went home The motion being made and the rest inclining to it wee went whether 6 or 8 of us I doe not remember but that the one part was Presbyterian and the other Independent I perfectly remember and betook our selves for about halfe an houre to the exercise the Sun by this time being either down or very neere it and so returned home This is the story of that drop of water which M. Edwards hath got upon the tip of his finger to cool his tongue being as it seems grievously tormented in the flames of passion and indignation that the world should no more wonder after the Presbyterians for holinesse and religion then to think that the Independents had equall part and fellowship with them therein But let us animadvert a few things upon the story before wee leave it First it is very observeable that the man who it seems holds correspondency with the world and with all parts in the Kingdome to receive intelligence of all the miscarriages and undue deportments of all such as are independently given is notwithstanding necessitated for the carrying up his great designe of their defamation to article against them supposed miscarriages and misdemeanors in stead of those that are truly and really such Mr. Edwards I presume knowes that where there is no Law there is there can be no sin no transgression a For that sin all sin is a transgression of some Law b Now then till Mr. Edwards shall produce some law either of God or Man against which Mr. Iohn Goodwin and those of his Church hee speakes of trespassed in bowling as aforesaid which I know hee will not bee able to doe till the day after doomsday it must be acknowledged that all their offence and miscarriage therein amounts to no more then onely to an unhappy occasion of causing Mr. Edwards to give testimony unto them whilst his heart was up to dishonor them Secondly it is considerable that as there were some of Mr. John Goodwins Church so there were some and as I remember more of Mr. Edwards his Church also I mean of the Church of England who were involved in that innocent transgression of playing at Bowles yea the owner of the Garden and Alley a godly and honest man and competently warm in the Presbyterian way was partaker with them in the supposed oversight But as was said before his Maxime is Pereant amici dummodo inimiciuna pereant Let us bespatter our enemies what ever becomes of our friends Thirdly for my selfe I neither so much as handled a Bowle for many months I think I might truly say for some years before nor have I done it since nor would I then have drunk this cup of cold water could I have thought the weaknesse of any brother so great as to be offended at it But now perceiving the Presbyterian weaknesse to be so excessively and importunely great as it is I doe hereby in the word of a Minister of the Gospel secure Mr. Edwards and all his tender retinue that I wil drink no more any such waters I mean cast a Bowle on a day or night of publick thanksgiving whilst the world stands lest I should offend them But Fourthly if I had a mind to demand a tooth for a tooth I could call some Presbyterian starres by their names and those of the first magnitude who upon a day of publick thanksgiving fell every whit