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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death here though Paul did cry out of the body of death he did not always groan and sigh as dissemblers and Scots doe neither did he doe it in the name of all the regenerate as thou sayes but spoke his owne condition there therefore thou hast lyed grosly therein and so art an impudent lyar And Paul did not alwayes groan under that body of sin and Law in his members but witnessed a redemption from it for which he thanked God that made him more then a conqueror and others as well as he and such did not commit sin 1 John 3.9 and then not alwayes groaning under that were delivered from it 1 John 3.1 5 6 And to manifest thy confusion thou sayes the children of God from their new birth puts of the body of sin as to guilt and reigning power and yet sin easily besets them and presseth down by the remnants of filth thou sayes and that is thy condition where it so easily besets and presseth down it reigns but it easily besets and presseth thee and you Scotchmen down that are in the filth of it and therefore you let it reigne in your mortall bodies contrary to Rom. 6. and the new birth you are ignorant of and the hope that purifieth even as he is pure as such witnessed that witnessed and witnesse that birth and are Sons 1 John 3.1 2 3 Concerning Justification and the end of the Righteous and wicked or unrighteous They deny that God Justifieth a beleiving sinner thou sayes I answer That such as are born of God doe truly beleive and faith in God purifieth their hearts and giveth them victory over the World and so frees them from sin 1 John 5. And such beleivers are Justified from sin and ungodlinesse and not in sin and ungodliness for by Christ such as are so born and beleive are Justified from all sins and such like things from which they could not be Justified by the Law of Moses and so Christ is their Justification who are Sanctified and from sin by him redeemed which sin thou art pleading for and so art an unbeleiver and not redeemed that sayes It cannot be routed out till body and soule part and faith then is sin pluckt up by the roots as the root of a wilde Figtree rooted in the joynts of a stone wall is rooted our when the wall is taken down but hath no proof for thy saying but thy pollicy and that is contrary to Scripture for it is said Mark the perfect man and behold the upright for the end of that man is peace Psal 37.37 But the wicked shall be cut off and the transgressors shall be destroyed together at their end Psal 37.38 And you that plead for sin till your latter end continueth in wickednesse and so are unregenerated and the end of the wicked shall be cut off you that continue in sin to your end are wicked transgressors and such shall be cut off destroyed together as their works are so will their end be But such as are sinners and transgressors to their end their deeds are evill so will their end be and the wicked and such like shall be turned into hell Psal 9.17 and the unclean and unrighteous shall hot inherit the Kingdome of Heaven ye unrighteous Scots look to it and read 1 Cor. 6 9.10 Rev. 21.27 And for that saying of the Priests of New-Castle that said Peter when he denyed Christ was in a state of Justification and that a man denying Christ is in a state of Justification both thy blindnesse and theirs is there seen and that Scripture which thou brings to prove Peters being in a state of Justification when he denied Christ is Luke 22.33 which speaks no such thing but of the Descipies enquirery among themselves who it should be that should betray Christ see how blinde thou art was Judas in a state of Justification when he denied Christ and betrayed him no more then Peter was when Christ called him Satan but after Peter had repented of his deniall of Christ and wept bitterly upon his return and after he were united to the Faith then Christ prayed for him And where James Nayler in the discovery of the man of sin page 29 where he askes the Priests of New-Castle if pleading for sin be a discovering of the man of sinne to strengthen the Devils Kingdome and plead for an upholding of sinne and seeking to make a cover for thy sins and theirs Thou wiests James words in thy 12 page and art ignorant also of that which discovers the man of sinne that art making covers for him and by thy pollicy thou goest about to make Christ a sinner but in that thy folly is seene and contradiction to the Scripture that saith He was make unto us sin excepted and such as are in him are redeemed out of sin and abiding in him they sinne not whosoever sinneth hath not seene him neither knowne him 1 Joh. 3.4.5.6 and sin cannot be reconciled to God nor any such imperfect thing and that doth not contradict the Scripture Revel 21.27 And as for our meaning thou speakes of thou art without our minde and so knowest not our meaning by thy Imagining therein thou shewes a spirit of errour And where thou sayest they say he that beleiveth is borne of God without Scripture and yet witnessed in Scripture is contrary to James 1.17 where it saith Of his owne will begot he us by the word of Truth and to Peter where it sayes Being borne againe by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.22 23. But if thou was not blinde thou would see that thou Contradicts the Scripture and not them that attributes the worke of regeneration and the new birth to the Letter which thou cals the word and so therein denyes God who begets by his owne will by that word which liveth and abideth for ever which was in the beginning with God and was God And where thou sayes they say sin dwelleth not in act where Christ reigneth that is true for where Christ raignes the body is dead to the acts of unrighteousnesse because of sin being destroyed and the Spirit is Life because of righteousnesse Living and ruling and here thou art contradicting the Scriptures and opposing the worke of Christ which is to take away sin and such as abides in him sinnes not then sin acts not he that acts sin commits sin and there Christ raignes not but Antichrist under whose Dominion thou art that pleads for him and his worke but hee that is begotten of God keepeth himselfe and that wicked one toucheth him not and hee that acteth and doth righteousnesse is of God but hee that acteth and doth unrighteousnesse is not of God as saith the Scripture And where thou sayes they say perfection of holinesse is not reserved till after death nothing is added after death and sets downe James Naylers booke called The Discovery of the man
but the letter declares of the spirit and it was before the letter was and given by the Lord it is his gift and not the gift of the letter yet the letter declares of it but God is the giver contrary to their affirmation witnessed in John 14.16 17. John 14.26 John 16.13 Acts 2. Gal. 4.6 1 John 3.24 There it no spirit and life in outward bread and wine neither is Christ spiritually in it at the institution as the Papists and Scots affirme Therefore they contradicts the Scriptures and the late Act of Abjuration that so affirme For Christ it the bread of life John 6. 〈◊〉 such as eate that bread live in him and he in them Ver. 57 58. A VINDICATION OF THE SCRIPTURES In Answer to the Scottish Contradictors I Received a Printed Paper that came out of Scotland into York and Yorkeshire in England published by one John Stalham and as he calls himselfe Preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in the said Scotland but he hath manifested himselfe and his subtile and serpentine spirit by his lies and slanders for all his glosses and covers to be a Minister of deceit and so of Antichrist as hereafter will more appear who falsly accuses the people of the Lord and shewes forth a bitter spirit of envy against them and the truth which doth manifest his deceit and though he be painted and deckt with his notions implications and contra distinctions and gilded coloured and borrowed and form'd up imagined expressions yet with the Light which is not common reason as he calls it but the true Light which discovereth errour and deceit and leads out of darknesse into the light of life John 8.12 such as obey it with the Light John 1.9 is he seen and known to be one that hates it and also bears record of himself against Christ and his Apostles and therefore he must needs be an antichristian and a deceiver and so to be denyed and holden accursed Gal. 1.8 9. For he calls the true Light the light of nature and the common light of reason but cannot prove what he hath therein said Therefore he is a lyar a false accuser and lyars and false accusers are antichristian so is he Therefore let him be an Anathema Maranatha and all such as he is 1 Cor. 16.22 To that which thou calls touching the Scriptures themselves John Stalham Thou calls thy Pamphlet or Book of lyes The Quakers Contradictions to the Scriptures and to that which thou begins with and calls it Touching the Scriptures themselves First thou sayes They say the Scriptures are not the word of truth I answer That the Scriptures are words that proceeded from the spirit of truth we doe not deny but own and so they are words of truth and therefore thy saying is false and in that thou art charged to be a lyar and false accuser of the truth but that the Scriptures are the Word God and eternal Life as thou wouldst have them thou canst not prove nor all the Magicians to help thee and that thou wouldst have them to be and thou art seen to be a lyar of them and the truth and such as witnes to the word and Gods power they witnesse against thee And where thou Queries and sayes How can the Scriptures be Gods witnesse if not true I answer That the spirit of truth in the Prophets were Gods witnesse and testified before-hand of the sufferings of Christ and declared of in the Scriptures by words that proceeded from that spirit of Christ that in them did signifie those things 1 Pet. 1. And the spirit of Christ in the Apostles of Christ Gal. 4.6 did carry them forth after they had received power from on high to witnes him forth Acts 1. But the spirit is not in the letter as thou in thy 22 page hath said neither is the spirit giby the letter but by God and Christ of whom the letter doth declare being words of truth that proceeded from the spirit of truth Luke 11. 1 John 13. The letter proceeded from the spirit but the spirit did not proceed from the letter and therein thou hast erred not knowing the spirit nor power of God declared of in the Scriptures Thou saith Another saith the Scripture is not a standing rule to you who cannot believe contrary to Luke 16.29 They have Moses and the Prophets for a standing rule thou sayes Here let all the honest hearted judge of thy deceite who hath perverted that Scripture for thy own ends Luke 16.29 from it raising a false doctrine saying You have Moses and the Prophets for a standing rule when the ver saith not so here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar of the Scriptures and so contradicts them for if Moses and the Prophets had been left to all and for ever for a standing rule as thou asserts then Christ and the Apostles might not have been after Moses and the Prophets for following examples or rules and therein thou brings the old Covenant to contradict the new and crosseth that Scripture where it saith Be ye followers of God as dear children Eph. 5.1 And they that follow him in the Gospel are led by his Spirit and that is not the letter though the letter declare of it Rom. 8.14 c. For God is that spirit as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 3.17 But we follow God who are guided by the Spirit as such did and that is our guide and rule to wit the Spirit of truth as Christ hath since he promised it appointed it to be the rule and guide into all truth John 16.13 But thou that would have the letter to be the rule and Moses and the Prophets onely then thou wouldst not have Christ and the Apostles followed after and so contradicts the Scripture also which was spoken after Moses and the Prophets after the Law under the Gospel by a minister of the same who in his godly exhortation said Be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ 1 Cor. 11.1 And that was not Moses and the Prophets but Christ and his Apostles there spoken of Seeing then we are not under the Law but under Grace the spirit of Christ is our rule and guide and even unto this day when Moses is read the vaile is upon their heart as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 3.15 But thou art reading and pleading for Moses to be a standing rule and so sets up the Law in stead of the Gospel therefore the vaile is upon thy heart but we witnesse the glory that exceeds for if the ministration of condemnation were glorious much more the ministration of glory exceeds but thou art ignorant of that and where thou hast pleaded for Moses and the Prophets to be a standing rule saying they have Moses and the Prophets let them heart them Luke 16.31 Here thou sayes the Scriptures are asserted by our Lord to be a more standing rule then Visions and Revelations thou hast here raised a fals assertion of the Lord
thou hast contradicted the Scripture which calls Christ the alone Saviour or perfect Saviour being able to save all that come unto God by him not by the Scripture but by Christ the alone and perfect Saviour of such Acts 4.11 12. Heb. 7.25 which the Scripture declareth of and he that hath the Son hath life 1 John 5.12 if he have not the letter but he that hath not the Son hath not life though he may have all the Letter And where thou sayes that Edward Burrough calls the common light the corner stone c. Thou lyes of Edward Burrough and his Book to Vnderbarrow p. 7. for there is not such a word as a common Light there stop thy mouth lyar for thou art taken with the lye in thy mouth and lyars are for the Lake Rev. 21.8 But the Scripture saith Christ is the Light and Christ is the chief corner stone Act 4.11 1 Pet. 2.6 7. and so saith Edward Burrough therefore he agrees with the Scripture and his saying as thou sayes is not contrary to Eph. 2 20. but agree therewith there againe thou art taken with another lye in thy mouth lyar be ashamed and blush And where thou wouldst slander Richard Farneworth for saying the Light is pure standing out of corruption thy slander hath no weight nor doth not harm for God is Light 1 John 1.5 and he is pure and discovers corruptions and hath no union with them therefore his Light is pure and stands out of them and what communion hath Light with darknesse as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 6.14 And thou brings that Scripture and sayes if you beleivers say you have no sin you deceive your selves and the truth is not in you 1 John 1.8 But I say and so doth the Scripture that he that abideth in Christ sinneth not 1 John 3.6 But you Scotchmen abide not in Christ that thou calls beleivers who plead for the Devil and therefore are sinners and such as commit sin are of the Devil take notice of that 1 John 3.6 7 8 9 10. but thou commits sin and so art a servant of the Devil for thou goes on with thy lies and sayes James Nayler saith that the common Light of every man which thou calls naturall Light being followed and obeyed will lead out of the fall I charge thee here in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar of James Nayler and his Book for the words in it are not as thou sayes thou lyar and false accuser be ashamed of thy lyes but James Nayler witnesseth with Christ who is the true Light and such as obey the Light and follow Christ they are led thereby out of the fall and are saved by him and that is not contrary to Scripture but witnessed with it which thou contradicts and so sins against Scripture and against Christ that calls him a naturall Light and to manifest thy blindnesse and ignorance of the Scriptures thou sayes Where is there any Promise in Scripture of spirituall saving Light to lead man out of the fall and out of his naturall estate but a threatning thou sayes there is c. I answer If there were no Promise of spirituall saving Light to lead out of the fall man might continue in it and under the curse but there is Promises of saving Light and saving grace anexed to it and such as follow and obey the same are saved by it and led out of the fall for by grace are we saved through faith and not of our selves it is the gift of God as saith the Scripture Eph. 2. Not of works least any man should boast Eph. 2.8 9. That there is promises of saving Light in Scripture as God hath said I will give thee for a Covenant of the people for a Light to the Gentiles and this Light hath grace anexed that is a covenanting Light and salvation to the ends of the earth the Light of the Gentiles and the glory of the people Israel Isa 42.6 7. Isa 49.6 Isa 60.19 20. Luke 2.22 23. Eph. 2. Concerning the Law To that touching the Law and first Covenant of works that the Mosaicall and Leviticall Law was under that Covenant of works and all thy twisting and wresting cannot disprove it and for thy saying Adam was under a Covenant of works and the same thou canst not prove it nor Peter English to help thee but manifests your confusion therein for Peter English in his serious reveiw saith that God made Adam upright p. 7. and in a state of perfection for he saith Adam was made in a state of perfection without sin and yet to contradict himselfe and shew his confusion in p. 10 he saith that through coveteousnesse the root of all evill a breach of the 10 commandedement he fell or brake and transgressing dyed see here how Peter English hath befooled himselfe first saith he man was perfect and without sin then saith he he was coveteous and in the root of all evill what contradictions is here to himselfe and to the Scripture that saith before he so fell he knew no evill and the said Peter English a Scotchman saith further to confute himselfe and the rest with him that it cannot be said that Adam in a state of innocency was under a covenant of works p. 9. for where there is no Law there is no transgression Rom. 4.15 and the Law is not for the righteous but for the rebellions 1 Tim. 1.9 and so he saith in a sence Nayler spoke true but Peter English going about to accuse Nayler and after when he hath cleared him he confutes himselfe saying Adam was not under a covenant of works as under a Law and yet saith through a breach of the 10 commandement he broke the covenant and transgressing of which he died here he hath comed poorly off and lyed of himself and of the Scriptures and of Adam also for he said where no Law was there was no trasgression but Adam had not the Law in which the 10 commandments were given therefore he did not transgress the 10th and dye for that for it were written the Law with the 10 commandements several hundred years after Adam and not given to him in the Paradice therefore he was not under that Law and Covenant of works Lyars stop your mouths Concerning Sinne. That all the children of Light are called to judg them Priests and such as you that say the children of God are found groaning under the burden of sinne all their life time those are the words though thou wrest them that is warranted and not arroganted for groaning under sinne whilest it is working out that may be but to say that the children of God they groane under it all their life time it contradicts the Scriptures and the arrogant assertion is thy own contrary to Rom. 8. c. 1 John 3. Rev. 14. for thou sayes Paul all along in Rom. 7. from v. 14. speaks in the name of the regenerate to the end of the chapter and groans and sighs it out Oh