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A30859 Baptism, infant-baptism, and Quakerism briefly, but impartially considered, in a letter to a friend with a short disswasive from the impiety, atheism, and popery of our age, in another letter : with an appendix. 1674 (1674) Wing B675; ESTC R22609 22,764 60

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then a part of God give me leave to use the expression was Created and so was God partly Created and partly uncreated an absurd piece of Blasphemy that would introduce a composition of such imperfection into the Nature of God for then one part of God was created by the other part whereas nothing no part of God but an infinite wholly perfect God can Create then also God would not be Eternal wholly but a part of him ●●ly and so would not be God and he that cannot press his Faith to believe such ●●inconceivable piece of Blasphemous non-sense so much more un-intelligible than that great and tremendous Mystery I am now speaking of must first do the greatest violence imaginable to his own faculties and all this to damn for ever damn his precious and immortal Soul what shall we think of them then I mean those foolish I had most said Devilish Quakers that make light a matter of denying this wonder Mystery and think themselves very 〈◊〉 and sccure from the judgment of God wh● with a mighty Pride and disdain they ●ab●● to over-throw all the Principles of Relig 〈◊〉 but to return if then there be three 〈◊〉 sons and these three are God and th●● three are-one 1 John 5.7 Then there 〈◊〉 three Persons and yet but 〈◊〉 God 〈◊〉 next thing that they speak not according the Word of God is 2. That a man may be absolutely 〈◊〉 in this Life that is that he 〈◊〉 fulfill the commands of God without the least 〈◊〉 for he that sins at all is therefore impen●● I deny it 1. Because if all do offend in many th●● then all are not perfect in every thing 〈◊〉 all do offend in many things James 3●● That the Apostle speaks this of all Christi●● in general is so plain that it need no pr●●● however it cannot be denyed but he spe●●● it of all the Christians in these times and to what a high degree of ostentation ha● those mens good conceits of themselve ●●●ried them that will dare to give the insp●● Apostle the lye or prefer themselves bes●● 〈◊〉 the Christians of these times who were ●●●●ted by our dear Saviour himself water●● by his dear Apostles and to whem his 〈◊〉 our Heavenly Father guve the Increase 2. If we have no 〈◊〉 we have no 〈◊〉 of Christ's Mediatien 〈…〉 and the like and if once we 〈…〉 ●ad will our Condition be If 〈…〉 have while to Price themselves in 〈◊〉 much good may it do theth for my pa●● been willing and I think every good Christian is so a degree beyond content to gloriy in such needs wants and Insirmities especially having the great Apostle for our Companion 2 Cor. 11.30 And I wish these mens so great Civility to themselves do not a length Convert that follish imaginary light they so much talk of into everlasting senes in an Eternal Hell 3. We cannot confest and pray for formeness of that we have not but we are to confess and pray for forgiveness of sins therefore we have sin Mat. 6.12 Luke 13. 〈◊〉 ●●ames 3.16 1 John 1.9 4. We cannot Live or Act but according to our knowledge but we know the will of God but in part 1 Cor. 13.12 therefore we do it or live up to it but in part now what 's done only in part is not done perfectly therefore we cannot do the Wi●●● God perfectly and are poor imperfect O●● turts whatever the Quakers are not be sedious I refer you to these follow Scriptures 1 Kings 8.46 Ecsl. 11. 〈◊〉 2 Cor. 4.16 Gal. 5.17 there are none a conceited of themselves as to think th●● are without sin but those men that l●● upon themselves with their own 〈◊〉 Lights now if I can but prove that 〈◊〉 are not perfect either poor humble S●●● will need no proof but their own exper●●ces and therefore thus I attempt it 5. They that deceive themselves 〈◊〉 have not the Truth in them are not perfect but sinful but the Quakers do streno●●● deceive themselves and the Truth is it 〈◊〉 them which I prove thus they that 〈◊〉 they have no fin deceive themselves and the Truth is not in them 1 John 1.8 But the Quakers do so therefore the Quakers are not perfect but sinful Creatnes as w●● as we I know their usual Reasons is ri●●● do not say they have no sin but they do●●● obey it To which I answer they the transgress the Law of God not only ha●● sin but obey sin but they that sin transg●●● the Law because sin is a transgression of 〈◊〉 Law 1 John 3.4 and can a man have ●●●nsgression of the Law and not Trans●●● is it 〈◊〉 I cannot see how it 's possible and doubt whether I shall ever unless by their light So that these men for all their ●●at pretences do sin as much shall I 〈◊〉 or most abundantly more than almost the worst of Persons out of their Number which who that knows any of them well knows not how much more doth God 〈◊〉 to that petty tonement about saluting was so simple a one being confuted by the whole corrent of Scripture that it would ●●ue nothing but Vanity and little to do ●●ay to spend his time upon it I shall only say this therefore If we ought not only is Salute our Friends but others then Sa●●●ation is not only Lawful but our Duty 〈◊〉 we ought to Salute not only our Friends but others Mas. 5.47 Now if Salutation he Lawful and pulling off Hats and ●●●ing Courtesies which are kinds of Sa●●●tion be unlawful it must certainly be a beach of the eleventh Commandment for I am sure it is not of any of the rest So much for that Vanity There is one other that vies folly with this and that is the Religions Ciritisms of thou and you which because they are of the same follish complexion with the former I shall 〈◊〉 salu●● them and so take my leave 〈◊〉 therefore 1. If we find you used to one Perf●●● in Scripture we may use it but you used to one Person in Scripture Job 18.2.3 But 2. To strive about this is to strive wh●● speaks best English it is not contended who speaks most Holily but who most Englishly and we care not much if we a●●●● them to be better English men though p●●●haps we might be quit with them if 〈◊〉 should call to mind some other of their 〈◊〉 osms but let them be better English m●●● they are not at all the more Religious 〈◊〉 that unless every good Christian must 〈◊〉 cessarily be a good English man and then must not allow them of other Nation though they were Quakers the named Christians If they are better criticks the English Tongue they are no nearer Haven than the top of Babel than we that 〈◊〉 securely at the bottom and yet surely we being nothing else but the expressions of 〈◊〉 mind while others know what we nie●● when we say you to them it being 〈◊〉 usual way of expression we speak as g●●●