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A16543 The importunate begger for things necessary, or necessity, without deniall Or a treatise, wherein is shewed the lawfullnesse of praying absolutely for necessary temporall things, without doubting or wavering, and that the saints of God may and ought, as absolutely depend upon God, for their dayly bread, as they may for the pardon of their sinnes, and that the cause is in themselves, who doe not obtaine them. Whereunto is annexed an answer to Mr. Norrice his 5 arguments, which were framed against it, together with an answer to his Prosopopeia, wherein, as well the insufficiency of those arguments, as the deceitfullnesse of his collections, is plainely manifested by R.B. Boye, Rice. 1635 (1635) STC 3450; ESTC S106818 69,334 88

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his spirit direct us all in all truth enabling us to walke in the truth preferring Gods glory before all things that so we laying up for our selves a good foundation may enjoy the crowne I will adde no more but conclude with that of the Apostle 1. Cor. 10.15 I speake as to wise men judge ye what I say An Answer to Mr. Norrice his 5 Arguments framed against praying absolutely for temporall things the Preface of which Arguments as t is written with his owne hand runneth verbatim thus delivered at Gayden the 29 Iunij against praying absolutely for temporall things without any condition expressed or implyed and that they want faith that doe not obtaine them being granted to be necessary for the present use BEfore we come to speake of these Arguments it shall not be unmeete to speake some-thing of the Title or Preface Concerning the Preface we are to consider in it these circumstances First these Arguments you say were delivered Now they being delivered and that publikely too I make no question but it was done with deliberation and consideration for otherwise you will come within the compasse of the Prophets woe Woe be to him that performeth the worke of the Lord negligently Now if you spake what you did speake upon deliberation and consideration if your Arguments proove unsound unsufficient and are found to be as so many arrowes shott against the truth your fault will appeare to be the greater and certainely you must beare your owne blame and be content to acknowledge your fault wherein you have offended Secondly you say againe it was delivered against praying absolutely for temporall things without any condition c. By which words you condemne as a sinne absolute prayer for temporall necessaries Now if it be a sinne as you affirme for if it be no sinne why doe you reproove it to pray to God absolutely for temporall necessaries then it must needs be the breach of a law for saith St. Iohn sinne is the transgression of the Law 1. Epist. 3.4 Now if you cannot find a Law for my part I find not any against this kinde of praying you went but God never sent you to reproove it for he sends his messengers to reproove no more but what his word doth condemne as a sinne And therefore herein unlesse you proove the thing before specified you must confesse your fayling Thirdly you thrust in your Preface this word implyed which word had you not expressed all your Arguments as you your self shall confesse would not have had so much as any colourable shew against that thing against which you framed them But of this word more hereafter Fourthly you professe also that you framed your Arguments against this position That they want faith these things being prayed for that doe not obtaine them Concerning which wee thus answer that upon prayer made for temporall necessaries the want of them is not to be imputed to the want of faith if we understand faith according to the generall definition as it is defined Heb. 11.1 which is as well the evidence of things eternall as temporall that is as it apprehendeth both eternall and temporall promises promises both concerning life and godlynesse I say not I say that those who upon their prayer doe not obtaine temporall favours doe altogether want faith or have no faith for I affirme that a man may have faith in apprehending the eternall promises for the pardon of sinne and life eternall and yet want faith in a temporall promise for a temporall blessing unto the want of which faith in a temporall promise or to the fayling of some or one of faithes companions I impute the want of these outward necessaries as it doth more fully appeare by that which we have sayd in defence of our tenent concerning absolute prayer unto which for your better satisfaction I referre you and so I passe from the Title or Preface to the Arguments as I find them in order written with your owne hand Before we come to speake what we thinke of them or to shew wherein they are fayling know this or rather call it to remembrance by the way that for any one to frame Arguments to the intent to contradict commandements or nullify promises is no better then publikely and openly to resist the truth And Augustine as one sayth maketh this and that justly to be the character and specification of an Heretick to seeme to proceed upon reasons or arguments which have no sound footing from the Scriptures and such arguments have no sound footing from the Scriptures when they contradict a commandement or nullify a promise It had bene well if these ensuing Arguments had bene free from oppugning those particulars The Arguments as they lye in order are these Mr. Norrice his first Argument THose promises that have implyed conditions in them cannot absolutely be relyed upon or exspected for our faith is grounded upon the promises But the promises of outward things although but necessary are so Therefore they are not absolutely to be relyed upon or exspected This appeares in 2. cases 1. Of chastisement and correction when the Lord will visite any of his people for their sinnes for then doth hee strippe them of their outward comforts in part and sometimes wholely unto death the former appeares in all the corrections of the faithfull the latter in the example of the Iewes Lam. 4.4.5 where the parents children dyed for want of bread and through extreame famine Yet they are not charged to want faith for this neither is faith so much required in those cases as humiliation and repentance and who will beare any correction at all at the hand of God if by his faith hee may presently remoove it from him and how can that be a signe of unbeleefe that is a speciall testimony of Gods love Rev. 3.9 2. Of probation and tryall when God will proove and try the patience and obedience of his servants for in that case they that have bene indued with most faith grace have bene brought to the greatest exigents and wants as in Heb. 11.37 they were destitute afflicted and tormented c. 1. Cor. 11.27 Paul was pinched with hunger thirst with colde and nakednesse and Luk. 16. Lazarus was in extreame poverty and dyed yet these were full of faith and of the spirit of God Now who would endure these tryalls and distresses if by faith and prayer hee may remoove them or with what warrant can he absolutely pray against them seeing no promise that shall be spared yea how can patience have her perfect worke without them or faith her crowne and reward promised on that condition Therefore the promises of outward things have conditions implyed to the people of God and are not absolute intended Answer to the first Argument THis Argument is to be answered negando by denying your Minor proposition for sure I am it is altogether untrue and contrary to sound doctrine To make this appeare wee are to consider that Gods