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A73011 Looke beyond Luther: or An ansvvere to that question, so often and so insultingly proposed by our aduersaries, asking vs; where this our religion was before Luthers time? VVhereto are added sound props to beare vp honest-hearted Protestants, that they fall not from their sauing-faith. By Richard Bernard, of Batcombe in Sommersetshire. Bernard, Richard, 1568-1641. 1623 (1623) STC 1956.3; ESTC S123041 43,757 64

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imperfect contrary to Psal 19.7 1. Tim. 3.16 17. That there is an vnwritten word called Traditions to be added thereunto contrary to Deut. 4.2 Reuel 21.8 Prou. 30.6 That the witnesse of the Church is greater then the witnesse of the Scriptures and to be beleeued before them contrary to 1. Ioh. 5.9 Ioh. 5.17 That the inuisible God may bee pictured contrary to Deut. 4.15 Acts 17.29 Esa 40.18 Rom. 1.23 That Images may be made to be worshipped contrary to Deut. 27.15 Exod. 20. and that they are for instruction contrary to Hab. 2.18 That prayers may be made to the Virgin Mary and to Saints departed contrary to Matth. 6.19 and contrary to the practice of the Patriarchs Prophets and Apostles and holy men in Scripture That prayers made by number and often repetitions are pleasing vnto God as when people are taught to pray by number on Beades contrary to Matth. 6.7 That they may be vttered in an vnknowne tongue and also Gods publike seruice so said contrary to 1. Cor. 14.15 19. That therein a generall good intent is acceptable to God though the mind bee not endued with sound knowledge contrary to Prou. 19 2.n 1. Cor. 14.20 That the Sacrament of the Lords Supper is to be administred and receiued in one kind contrary to Matth. 26.27 1. Cor. 10.16 11.23 24 25. That Iesus Christ is corporally in the Bread transubstantiated contrary to Act. 3.21 And that it is very God contrary to Hos 8.6 That it is offered for a sacrifice propitiatory as if Christ once offering himselfe were not sufficient contrary to Heb. 10.10 14. That the Law may be fulfilled and a man iustified thereby before God contrary to Rom. 7.19 3.20 4.2 1. Cor. 4.4 Esa 46.6 That a man may merit by his works contrary to Tit. 3.5 Ephes 2.8 10. Rom. 6.23 Luk. 7.10 That a man may bee able to doe more then God requireth of him or that hee is tyed by dutie to doe contrary to Rom. 7.19 Luk. 17.10 Prou. 20.9 Eccles 7.20 Psal 130.3 That the Pope may dispense with Gods Law contrary to 1. Sam. 2.25 Rom. 8.33 34. Iob 9.33 34.29 That there are sinnes which yet are not prohibited by Gods Law contrary to 1. Ioh. 3.4 Ro. 4.15 7.8 3.20 That some sinnes are in themselues veniall which deserue not death contrary to Rom. 6.23 Iames. 1.15 Genes 2.17 That originall concupiscence is no sinne in the regenerate contrary to Rom. 7.19 Psalm 51. That the Virgin Mary was without sinne contrary to Iob 14.4 Eccles 7.2 20. Psal 130.3 Rom. 3.9 23. 1. Ioh. 1.7 8. Luk. 1.46 That Marriage is not honourable in all sorts of men as for instance not in the Clergie contrary to Hebr. 13.4 1. Cor. 7.9 1. Tim. 5.14 and contrary to the practice of the married Priests vnder the Law That married persons with consent may euer liue asunder to leade a Monasticall life contrary to 1. Cor. 7.2 That holinesse is to be put in the obseruation of dayes contrary to Col. 2.16 Of meates contrary to Rom. 14.14 1. Cor. 8.8 Matth. 15.20 1. Tim. 4.3 4. and so men lose thereby Christian liberty contrary to Gal. 5.1 That many who dye in the Lord not abiects from God yet rest not after death for a time contrary to Reuel 14.13 but make a temporall satisfaction in a place they call Purgatorie whose sinnes although heere pardoned yet goe not these soules immediately to heauen contrary to Luk. 23.43 where the good Thiefe is promised Paradise which is Heauen 2. Cor. 12.3 4. That the Popes power is kingly yea that he may vse the temporall Sword and depose Kings and dispose of their Kingdomes and be subiect to none contrary to Luke 22.25 26. Matth. 20.25 26. Rom. 13. 1. Tit. 3.1 1. Pet. 2.13 That he which gets the Popes dispensation sinneth not in that he doth though the same be against Gods Law contrary to Matth. 5.19 Deut. 27.26 Ier. 11.3 Ioh. 3.4 That the Pope is Christs Vicar and yet may intermeddle with the earthly and temporall Kingdomes of this World contrary to Christs owne practice Luk. 12.14 the nature of his Kingdome Iohn 18.36 against the nature of such spirituall weapons and power which God gaue to his Apostles 2. Corint 10.4 5 6. Yea that the Pope may take vpon him as hee doth to haue to doe with those which are without to wit the Heathen to giue away their Kingdomes as he presumeth to doe with such as forsake him whom hee iudgeth to bee Heretikes contrary to 1. Cor. 5.12 13. That his Clergie are exempted from ciuill iurisdiction contrary to Christs commandement Matth. 22.21 to his practice Matth. 17.27 to Saint Peters teaching 1. Pet. 2.13 14. and to Saint Pauls Rom. 13.1 7. Tit. 3.1 It were infinite to particularize all the differences betweene our Religion and theirs wherin they are contrary to holy Scripture and contrary to the tenne Commandements the Creed the Lords Prayer and the two Sacraments Of which if any desire herein instances to be better satisfied let him reade Gabriel Powel who hath purposely set downe a multitude of particulars VI. And lastly if none of the Martyrs were Papists or as they please to call themselues Romane Catholiks then could they not bee their Martyrs for they which bee not such are not held to bee of their Romane Religion nor Church But none of these Martyrs were Papists or Romane Catholikes for they held not these many differences of theirs from vs by which a Papist becommeth a Papist or Romane Catholike and without which hee is not by them approoued to be such a one For let a man hold all other poynts of Christianity wholly and fully yet if he hold not that the Pope hath authority as Christs Vicar vpon earth that the Church of Rome is the Mother and Mistresse of all Churches that there are seuen Sacraments that the Sacrament may be receiued in one kind that the bread after consecration is transubstantiated and Christ there corporally vnder the formes of Bread and Wine and so to bee diuinely adored that seruice is to bee said euery where in Latine that Images are to bee set in Churches and to bee worshipped that Saints departed are to bee prayed vnto and their Reliques worshipped that there is a Purgatory for penall satisfaction after this life that our workes doe merit and that we are iustified by them before God that Ecclesiasticall persons may not marry that confession of sinnes is to be made secretly to a Priest in his eare and that hee hath power iudicially to absolue the confitents and impose penance vpon them for satisfaction for sinne vnto God These and such like articles newly coyned whosoeuer doth not hold is not iudged to be a Romane Catholike But none of these differences did these Martyrs hold much lesse euer suffered persecution for For not one of these articles of the Trent Conuenticle was held in the time of these sorts of Martyrs all of them suffering within the 600.
the people vpon the King as a Father to looke to his children to call them to the Faith and Law of Christ and to the holy Church hereby acknowledging the King to bee the supreme Head and Gouernour in all causes aswell Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill and to be Gods Vicar in his owne Realme which title that Bishop twice nameth in that Epistle Thus we see out of this short Epistle what we may thinke of the Religion then at Rome and how agreeing to ours now and differing from theirs at this present The third conuersion for which they magnifie so much this Austin but very falsely was in Gregorie the Great his dayes In which time though many corruptions were crept into the Church of Rome yet the maine points of our differences wherein we differ from this present Romish superstition were then taught in that Church as may appeare out of the writings of Gregorie as he did then teach concerning holy Scriptures the grace of God of Freewill of the Law of iustification of Faith of good Workes also concerning the not worshipping of Images likewise of the acknowledging of the two Sacraments also his iudgement of the Church of the head of the Church of Antichrist of an vniuersall Bishop of secular power ouer Bishops of Marriage of soules departed and whither they went Gregorie was no Patrone of the Romish Masse nor of the corporall and transubstantiated bread nor of merit nor of Papall supremacy nor of temporall iurisdiction ouer Kings and Emperours nor of the necessitie of Ceremonies alike in euery Church Gregorie held not the Machabees canonicall but taught the perfection of Canonicall Scripture he exhorted Lay men to the studie of them and in his time the Scriptures were allowed and prayers were said in a knowne and vulgar tongue he held the Catholike Church to be the elect and the reprobate out of it and was against marriages within degrees forbidden Leuit. 18. Thus we see that at the three conuersions our Religion now and that at Rome then was one and the same Neither can our aduersaries shew the contrary from Scripture from the vniforme consent of ancient Fathers either Greeke or Latine or from generall Councels within those times no nor from the Bishops of Rome themselues for that space if they will make conscience to deale squarely plainly and honestly in their proofes And that they may so doe I would entreate to lay aside first all counterfeite Decretall Epistles such as those be which are ascribed to the Bishops of Rome in the first 300 yeeres as our learned men haue prooued both by reasons and from the testimonie of the learned among them Secondly those partly corrupted and partly also counterfeit Decretall Epistles in the next 300. yeeres Thirdly all the counterfeite and corrupt Canons of Councels Fourthly all the bastard writings put vpon the ancient Fathers Fifthly the places corrupted in any of their writings If they will cast off this great and wicked deceite in alleaging these for themselues the truth of my assertion That this our Religion was then at Rome and not this their present Romish faith will manifestly appeare to all men not wilfully blinded for by and worldly respects Lastly the Christian Religion first planted in Ireland was before Austins comming in hither For as is afore spoken Scottish and Irish Christian Bishops withstood him at his comming But that which was then receiued and professed by the ancient Irish was for substance the very same which is now here in England by publike authoritie maintained as is substantially proued by a godly learned Father in all Antiquities of the Church the Lord Bishop of Meeth to which I referre euery Reader which desireth to bee satisfied in theirs and our agreement about Scripture translations predestination freewill the Law sinne free remission of sins iustification by faith onely imperfection of sanctification merit purgatory and soules departed about Gods worship Images the Masse communicating in both kinds and the mysticall receiuing of the Sacrament That Learned man doth shew how wee and they doe agree in all these things which are the most maine points of faith betwixt our aduersaties and vs. And therefore I conclude from this and all that formerly hath been produced in this fifth Argument that this our present Religion was heere in this Iland before Austines time VI. Argument From God the Author and continuall Preseruer of our Religion against all oppositions THat Religion which is of God was before Luthers time for that which is of God cannot bee ascribed to man nor so new as the late dayes of Luther For the true Religion is the most ancient and this is the good way to be found in the old wayes and not in new inuentions and new by-paths But our Religion is of God which I thus prooue It was taught by the Prophets and Apostles messengers of God the Prophets were sent by him 2. Chron. 36.16 2. King 17.13 Ier. 25.4 by whom God spake Heb. 1.1 and they taught and wrote as the holy Ghost directed them 2. Pet. 1.21 2. Tim. 3.25 The Apostles were sent of God Matth. 10.5 Mark 16.16 Gal. 1.1 12. and spake as God by his Spirit directed them Matth. 10.20 Ioh. 14.26 These were the publishers of our Religion both in the common truthes of our Christianitie as also in the differences from our aduersaries And for proofe wee appeale to the Apostles and Prophets extant writings Our Religion is written in those holy Scriptures the Booke of God as before is prooued It is propagated and preserued by such meanes as be ordained of God of which also before It is receiued beleeued conscience made of it onely by the operation of the Spirit of God It bringeth men to the true knowledge of God to beleeue onely in God to worship onely God onely to honour God and to be ruled onely after the will of God It s onely vpheld and preserued by Gods and not by mans power This will easily bee granted if men consider what weake meanes in mans iudgement hath spred it abroad and brought it into esteeme with such as professe it truly to wit onely preaching praying and constantly suffering in the defence thereof Also the small number and meanenesse of the persons for the most part which haue from the dayes of Iesus Christ made profession thereof and withall the little worldly policy vsed for helpe to support it But on the other side if the enemies thereof be well considered who haue continued from the beginning of the Gospell perpetually endeuouring to vndermine our Religion euery one will yeeld it to be the very hand of God that maintaineth it The multitude of them out of the Church are infinite as Iewes Gentiles Saracens Turkes and a world of other Infidels The Heretikes which haue risen vp and gone out from the true Church and haue laboured to shake the very foundation of our Christian Faith very many The Hypocrites and prophane are too many which professing the same