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A40523 The fall of a great visible idol by the coming of the invisible povver, and substance In this day and time of the lambs war which is come. Wherein Christ the true light is exalted at the right hand of God, who dwells and walkes in his people which are his temple. Which doth bring down the boasting baptists that hath highly exalted themselves upon the high and dark mountains of their own imaginations, as may be known by their own principles which are herein answered with something to the simple hearted that are among them, concerning water baptism and breaking of outward bread, which these baptists hath so much idolized in the night. From a true friend unto all that loves truth in the inward parts, in true love and pitty unto the lost sheep, that they may be of the house of Israel. Joseph Fuce. Fuce, Joseph. 1659 (1659) Wing F2257A; ESTC R221567 32,174 39

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say unto you that many shall come from the East and West and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Luke 16. 22. Heaven Mat. 8. ●● here Christ saith with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven and in Mat. ●● he speaketh of entering into the Kingdom and John spake of his brethren in the Kingdom Revel 1. 9. and Paul speaks of some that were come unto Mount Sion unto the City of the living God the Heavenly Jerusalem to innumerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first born which are written in Heaven and to God the Judge of all and to the spirits of Just men made perfect Heb. 12. 22. 23. they were redeemed out of the fall up to God the Judge of all and they had received the Kingdom and were in Heaven and all that feareth the Lord truely may see the Baptists far unfit to Preach the way into the Kingdom of God seeing they are yet in the fall and Kingdom of darkness and thinking all others to be so and there they labour as may be seen by these principles of theirs to keep others in darkness and unbelief and so do not enter themselves neither would they have others to be translated into the Kingdom of the onely dear Son of God there to find rest and Peace for evermore The Baptists affirmed that no man could come into that state that Adam was created in on this side the grave Answ This is a denying Christs suffering to do the work which the Father sent him about which was to seek and to save that which was lost and to quicken man that was dead in trespasses and sins and Christ did finish the work which the Father gave him to do although the effect of the Baptists words is to deny it Now see what the Scripture saith The Son of man is come to save that which was lost Mat. 18. 11. and the Saints were saved as in 2 Tim. 1. 9. 1 Cor. 15. 2. for since by man came death by man came also the resurrection of the dead 1 Cor. 15. 21. and this the Apostles witnessed and declared unto them that had been dead in trespasses and sins on this side the grave and you hath he quickned Eph. ● ● mark for we are his workmanship created in Christ Je●●●●n●● good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them verse the 10. and so they were come out of the sin and transgression which Adam was dead in up to God again who was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself and the Law of the Spirit of life did make them free from the Law of sin and death on this side the grave and then there was no condemnation to them that were in Christ Jesus which walked not after the flesh but after the Spirit and that was on this side the grave for they could do nothing against the truth but for the truth in Christ Jesus who is the expresse Image of his Fathers Person and in him and by him was man created in Christ Jesus and the Apostle Paul said on this side the grave O death where is thy sting O grave where is thy victory the sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the Law but thanks be to God which giveth us the victory Eccl. 11. 3. through our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 15. and if victory be not received on this side the grave which these Baptists speak of it will not be at all known unto them that are cut off in their sins for where the tree falleth there it lyeth whether it be towards the North or towards the south for the time is at hand he that is unjust let him be unjust still and he which is filthy let him be filthy still he that is righteous let him be righteous still and he that is holy let him be holy still Revel 2● 11. he that can receive it let him Matthew Casfin one of the Baptists affirmed that if he were in that first state that Adam was created in he should not be mortal nor thirsty sick nor weary Answ Thou that sayest neither Abraham nor Isaac nor Peter nor Paul was redeemed from the curse nor from the fall and that no man could come into that state that Adam was created in on this side the grave thou hast manifested Zach. 5. 1. 2. thy self to be yet in the fall in sin and darknes and transgression not yet come to Adams first estate which was a living soul but under the curse which is gone forth as a fiery flying rowl and in that fallen estate thou hast exalted thy self over a people to be their Teacher who counts themselves members of the Church of Christ for how canst thou tell what thou shouldst have done that art not come to Adams first estate mark yet art intruding into those things wch thou knowest not as it appeareth by thy saying thou shouldst not be mortal thirsty sick nor weary and it is no marvel to me to see such contention and confusion among those Baptists that doth own such messengers that comes in their own name which are not redeemed out of the fall into Adams first estate but art in the will worship beguiling unstable souls through thy voluntary humility intruding into those things which thou hast not seen vainly puft up by thy fleshly mind and all may read there were such Col. 2 18. and they that are not yet hardened amongst those scattered people that were once made tender by something of God in their consciences which they knew not oh I say let them with speed return their minds again to the witness in them and that will let them see how the Lords hand is and hath been much against the Baptists since they resisted the light therefore he hath scattered them so much in their imaginations that they are divided into opinions like the Priests and therefore it is high time for all people that fear the Lord to come out from among them and wait in the light of Christ which would then appear to lead them out of darkness by the footsteps of the flock toward the rest at Noon Cant. ● ● The Baptists at that meeting affirmed that the light which we Preach whom they call Quakers they do deny and trample under foot but John Lukes at a meeting soon after appealed to the light in every ones conseience which Joseph Fuce spoke of A. Here the Baptists hath declared the very cause why they are in so much confusion errours and Popish Doctrine and lies and so full of envy and bitterness of spirit against us the people of the Lord which bears witness unto the true light which is Christ seeing that they deny the light which we Preach and trample it under foot as one of their chief Teachers said but another said he appealed to the light in every ones conscience which Joseph Fuce spake of
which is Christ the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1. ● and no other do we Preach to be Christ but he that said I am the light of the world he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of Life John 8. 12. John 12. 46. which is Christ the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1. ● and this is the light which we have Preached up at the right hand of God who dwells in his people according to the Scriptures and no other Christ do we own but he which all the Prophets bare witness of and that John said was the true light as we have proved very plainly by the Scriptures and that thousands of people know which are not come yet to walk in the light but if they do not harden themselves but fear the Name of the Lord in due time they shall know the rising of the Son of righteousness with healing under his wings and the wicked shall be brought down in them and for them and now all moderate people may see these Baptists to be blasted with a thick mist and overcome with grosse darkness who make it their work to deny the true Christ the Son of the onely true God and so denies the Father also for no other light do we Preach to be the Christ the Saviour the Son of God but he that hath said I am the light of the world and he that believeth in him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already and this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men love darkness rather then light because their deed● are evil John ● 19. And here their Teachers are found one against another about the light and now people may see the Apostles words are true who spake of such boasters proud blasphemers having a form of godliness but denying the power and now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so do these also resist the truth men of corrupt minds reproba●e concerning the faith But they shall proceed no farther for their folly shall be made manifest to all men that reads this with the light as theirs also was 2 Tim. 3. and take notice what Pet●r saith but there were false Prophets also among the people even as there shall be false Teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable Heresies even denying the Lord tha● bought them and bring upon themselves swift d●struction ● Pet. ● 1. and these Baptists that deny the E●ernal Spirit to be the Saviour of the world and also deny t●e true light and so they now while they are in their form crying up outward things to be Ordinances for a prerence and so bring in damnable Heresies And so did the Pharisees that were exceeding wicked cry up the Temple and such things and for a pretence made long prayers Mat. 23. ●4 But whosoever shall deny me before men him will I also deny before my Father which is in Heaven saith Christ Mat. 10. 33. therefore be warned in time you that be not past feeling for this I know that it had been good for such wicked blasphemers that they had never been born ●hen so lightly and rashly to deny the onely Son of God which is the light of the world for he that despised Moses Law dyed without mercy under two or three witnesses of how much sorer punishment suppose ye shall he be thought worthy who hath troden under foot the Son of God and hath counted the blood of the Covenant wherewith he was sanctified as an unholy thing and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace Heb. 1● 28. 29. Another Baptist at Nethurst meeting afore mentioned affirmed That Christ was not a Spirit and bid one Humphery Killing●eck prove i● if he co●ld Answ God is a spirit John 4. 24. and Christ said he and his Father was one John ●0 30. and he is a quickening Spirit the Scripture saith but the Baptist saith he is not a spirit for they make flesh their arm and therefore look without to know him after the flesh although the Apostles said they were to know him so no more mark Thus saith the Lord Cursed be the man that trusteth in man maketh flesh his arm and whose heart departeth from the Lord for he shall be like the hea●h in the desert and shall not see when good cometh J●r 17. 5. 6. and blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord and whose hope the Lord is J●r 17. 7. and the quickening Spirit is both Christ and Lord. Now concerning Jesus Christ our Lord h●w he came in the form of a man or how he took flesh upon him he was of the seed of Abraham and David according to the flesh and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead Rom. 1. and when the fulness of time was come God sent forth his Son born of a Virg●n and made under the Law and then he made himself of no reputation but Gal. 4. took upon him the form of a servant and so came under Tutors and Governours for a time in that form of a man or in that body which was prepared under the Law in the time of signs and types and figures and shadowes of good things to come and there was Ci●cumcision without and Baptisme with● outward water and Synagogues and Temples made with hands and he like unto other men came into those things in that body of flesh which he ●ook upon him and so fulfilled all those things which did signifie of that which is become more excellent unto us and so he passed through those things which were but shadows ●nd went to his Father from them as a shadow for it is said a cloud received him out of their sight and while he was among them in that form he was also rejected and grieved to see their wickedness in so much that he wept over them and was taken by wicked hands and cruc●fied and put to death and slain and pierced by them and was laid in a Sepulchre a figure and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures and appeared unto Mary like a gardiner and also he appeared unto his Disciples in another form Mark 16. and so he tasted death for every creature for in him was life and the life was the light of men and he said John 10. I lay down my life that I may take it again no man taketh it from me but I lay it down of my self I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it again and so he took flesh upon him and offered once for all who perfected for ever them John 6. that are sanctified but the flesh profiteth nothing and he was one with the Father before the world was made and he w●nt to the Father again and was and is one with the Father and he and