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A91309	Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty. Or, The first part of a just and seasonable vindication of the undoubted ecclesiasticall iurisdiction, right, legislative, coercive power of Christian emperors, kings, magistrates, parliaments, in all matters of religion, church-government, discipline, ceremonies, manners: summoning of, presiding, moderating in councells, synods; and ratifying their canons, determinations, decrees: as likewise of lay-mens right both to sit and vote in councells; ... In refutation of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph: my deare brother Burtons Vindication of churches, commonly called Independent: and of all anti-monarchicall, anti-Parliamentall, anti-synodicall, and anarchicall paradoxes of papists, prelates, Anabaptists, Arminians, Socinians, Brownists, or Independents: whose old and new objections to the contrary, are here fully answered. / By William Prynne, of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1645 (1645)	Wing P4115; Thomason E259_1; ESTC R212479	202,789	171

liberty left them to elect what civil government they by publique consent shall deem most convenient provided it be generally agreeable to Gods Word which hath prescribed generall rules applicable to all civill Governments actions as well as Ecclesiasticall and spirituall though no one Government in particular And why the Government of the CHVRCH MILITANT should be more particularly uniformly unalterably said down in scripture then the Government of Christian Kingdoms Nations states under the Gospel which leaves both of them equally undetermined since both of them were alike limited among the Israelites under the Law no rational man cangive any solid reason Christ being King of Kings Lord of Lords yea a great King over all the Earth the only Potentate and Lord of Kingdoms Nations Republiques and of mens bodyes estates as well as KING and Lord of his Church Saints or of mens soules and consciences 9ly There was not only one uniforme Church-government at first under the Gospell in all Churches no not in the Apostles times for in the originall gathering and planting of the Christian Churches they had at first only Apostles Brethren no Elders or Deacons After that their Churches increasing they proceeded to elect ordain Deacons in the Churches of Ierusalem and afterwards some other Churches though not in all for ought we read Not long after the Apostls ordained Elders in Churches which had none at first after that Widowes in some Churches not in all In the primitive Churches some Congregations had Apostle s Evangelists Prophets workers of miracles Healers by miraculous extraordinary gifts of healing men endued with diversities of Tongues Interpretation of Tongues GOVERNMENTS that is men gifted with an extraordinary faculty of Governing Churches all which the Scriptures many Divines distinguish Other Churches at that time had none of these Officers or members and all Churches have beene deprived of them since those dayes these Officers not being perpetuall but temporary as all acknowledge though Christ might have continued a succession of them still had he pleased Therefore the Government and Officers of all Churches not being de facto one and the selfesame in all particulars in the very Primitive times as well as since it can never be proved to be of divine right but one the sel same in al succeeding ages without the least variation since it was not so in the Apostles days 10ly The Apostles speech 1. Cor. 12. 4 5. 6. c. There are diversities of gifts but the same spirit and there are differences of administrations but the same Lord and there are diversities of operations but the same God which worketh all in all compared with v. 8. to 13. ch 9. v. 19. to 24. I made my selfe servant unto all that I might gaine all And unto the Jew I became as a Jew that I might gaine the Jew to them that are under the Law as under the Law that I might gaine the Jew to them that are under the Law To them that are without Law as without Law that I might gaine them that are without Law To the weake I became as weake that I might gaine the weake I am made all things to all men that I might by all meanes save some paralleld with Acts 15. 1. 2. 5. 6. to 32. Ch. 21. 18. to 30. by which it is evident that many Churches of the Iewes and those in Jerusalem did still rotain the use of Circum●ition purification other Iewish Rites Ceremonies which the Churches of the Gentiles by the Apostles owne resolutions WERE NOT TO OBSERUE And with Acts c. 2. to cap. 22. where it expresly appeares that the Apostles and other Christians equally frequented the Iewish Temple Synagogues conforming themselves to the Orders discipline thereof and their owne private Assemblie Cougregations consisting all of professed Christians Wil expresly clear it that all particular Churches Congregations in the Apostles times had not one and the selfe same Church-government Orders Ceremonies Therefore it is most cleare there is no such uniforme general government or discipline necessarily prescribed in the Gospel unto al without the least variation as is objected Eleventhly It must be granted to me till disproved that before the Law from Adams Creation till Moses there was no one universall set forme of Church Government and discipline enjoyned to be observed by all the world from which none might vary in any particular That under the Law it selfe there was one forme of Government Worship Discipline Ceremonies and Solemnities to be observed in the Wildernesse another in the Lind of Canaan One forme in and under the Tabernacle revealed by God described by Moses another in and under the Temple shewed by God and appointed by David and Salomon Yea the second Temple and its Ornaments services differed somwhat from the first and all of them expired when the Gospell came If then there were no one universall constant forme of Church-Government Discipline before and under the Law it selfe then by parity of reason till direct Scripture proofes be produced to the contraty there neither is nor can be any such under the Gospell Twelfthly The Scripture as all must acknowledge gives not many particular but mostly generall Rules for the Government and regulating of our thoughts words actions lives Children Servants Families callings the fashion of our apparell gestures eating drinking sleep c. Yea the promises and threatnings in it are for the most part generall and indefinite yet applyable to every particular person and occasion If then there be for the most part only generall Rules precepts which admit some Latitude and variety in particulars prescribed to us for the very ordering and regulating of our thoughts words actions lives apparell meat drinke c. Then certainely there are but generall Rules and Precepts given us for the Government Discipline of the Churches which admit varieties of Government discipline in sundry particulars so as they agree in the generall with the Word and bee not repugnant to it as well as the generall Rules for regulating our words thoughts actions conversations callings apparell meat drinke and family Governments admit of variety which more immediately concerne every man then the more remote and generall Government of the Church But against this my Brother Burton Objects 1. That God in the Old Testament did give this charge to Moses See that thou doe all things according to the patterne shewed thee in the Mount Hee must not vary ONE PIN And when the Temple was built God was so exact in this that he would not leave it to David himselfe though both a King and a Prophet and a man after Gods owne heart to set up what worship he pleased in the Temple but God gave him an exact patterne of all and that not only by his Spirit but in writing that he might neither adde to nor omit IN THE LEAST TITLE 1 Chron. 28. And it was never left

breach of Gods Laws with temporall punishments yet by this Gods Lawes become not temporall and unobligatory to the conscience So God on the other side may and doth 〈◊〉 the violation of just humane Lawes with spirituall and eternall punishments Majestrates being but his Vicegerents Deputies and the contempt of their just Lawes a contempt of God himselfe Therefore the Argument holds not The 5th Objection is this that the conscience only respects God therefore nothing can binde it but Gods owne Law which is spirituall I Answer That the conscience respects as well men as God Act. 24. 16 therefore the just Lawes of men as I have proved as well as of God 2ly The conscience looks upon the just Laws and precepts of men not meerly as human Lawes but as proceeding from the Ministers and Vicegerents of God himselfe whom they represent and whom God himselfe frequently enjoynes us to obey The 6th Is this No one man and by consequence not all mens consciences in the world may or can Iudge another mans conscience who standeth or falleth 〈◊〉 his owne Master Rom. 14. 4. 16. Ergo they cannot make Lawes to binde the conscience I Answer first that this text speakes only of privat Christians Judging one another in things indifferent as meates holy dayes c. when and where there is neither law of God nor man inhibiting the free use or refusall of them at the whole Chapter manifests Therefore it makes nothing against necessary ecclesiastical● Laws Canons obliging men to obedience even in point of conscience 2ly The Apostle expresly concludes in this very Chap. v. 14. to 23. That in case of giving scandal and offence to weak Brethren we ought to abstaine from the very use of lawful indifferent things even out of conscience of the scandall hurt don thereby not simply of the things themselves though there be no law of God or man restraining or altering the indifferency or lawfulnes thereof that without any impeachment of Christian liberty Therefore when necessary or convenient things meerly indifferent in their nature are enjoyned by Superiors just Laws or inconvenient indifferent things prohibited for the publick good or peace they ought much more to be submitted to without impeachment of christian liberty out of Conscience of the Law and scandall which would follow the volation thereof and in obedience to the generall Law of God which commands obedience to such Lawes The 7. Objection is this There is one Lawgiver which is able to save and to destroy to wit God● who art thou that judgest another Iam. 4. 12. Ergo none can make laws to bind the conscience but God I answer 1. that there is but one supream absolut Lawgiver which is God Is 33. 2. wch excluds not subordinat ones 2ly The Apostle saith not that there is ONLY one law-giver that can save and destroy neither will the words infallibly conclude there is but one such since humane law-givers can make Lawes to save or destroy the lives bodyes and Estates of men as appeares by Scripture and the Lawes of all Nations though not their Soules as they are meare humane Lawes but only collaterally as the wilful contempts and violations of them are sins breaches of the very law of God prescribing obedience to those Lawes in which sence they may secondarily destroy the very soules of men Thirdly This Text takes not away the power of making necessary temp●rall or Ecclesiasticall Laws for then no such Lawes could possibly be made by any But the meaning of the Apostle is this That onely God the Supreame Law-giver is able by his Law to make any indifferent lawfull thing necessary or unlawfull in it selfe in point of Religion or conscience and to change the meere indifferency of it into a thing simply good or evil and not humane Law-givers Therefore we should not judge or condemne one another in the use or neglect of those things which God himselfe hath left indifferent where there is no circumstance of scandall or contempt of humane Lawes to engage us to use or not to use them But it reacheth not to such humane Lawes Civill or Ecclesiasticall which command or prohibit things agreeable to the rules of Gods Word or things necessary and expedient for Order Decency Peace avoyding of scandall and other mischiefes which Lawes as Doctor Willet himselfe who makes this objection affirmes do binde the conscience notwithstanding this objected Text. And thus much for my Brothers first generall Objection His second is this That the Scripture holds forth and Christ in the New-Testament presoribes and layes down unto us but ONLY ONE and that a most compleat and exact forme of Church government and Discipline which ought not to be altered or varied from in the least title being a part of the Gospel and must be BUT ONE and THE SAME in all Nations Churches in all ages throughout the World precisely observed by all Churches without the least variation That the Independent way alone is this divine unalterable Evangelicall platforme Therefore nor King nor Parliament though assisted with a Synod of most pious and learned orthodox Divines justly may or can of right make any Ecclesiasticall binding Lawes for the government or Discipline of the Churches of Christ within their Jurisdictions it being indeed a meere adding to the Word of God prohibited under a curse Deut. 4. 2. c. 12. 22. Prov. 30. 6. Rev. 22. 18 19. Thus my deare Brother and other Independents Argue with more confidence than evidence of Scripture To which I answer first That though Christ and his Apostles have instituted in the Gospel all necessary Church-Officers as Evangelical Bishops Elders Ministers Deacons Pastors Teachers c. and likewise given some general rules for the Government and Discipline of his Church yet he hath neither instituted nor prescribed any such unalterable compleat exact forme of Church-government and Discipline in all ages and Churches in the New Testament as is pretended by many not evidenced by any My reasons are these First Because no such exact and punctuall platforme is or can be clearly demonstrated to us nor discovered by us in the Scripture upon most diligent scrutiny Quod non lego non credo hath alwayes been reputed a solid Argument in matters of Divinity and divine institutions The Apostle Heb. 7. 13. 14. argues thus negatively even in the point of Christs Priesthood because Moses spake nothing of the Tribe of Iudah concerning Priesthood And God himselfe argues thus Deut. 9. 12. 15. Ye saw no manner of similitude therefore ye shall make no likenesse or image of me I may safely argue negatively in like sort The Scripture speaks nothing of such an exact universall Platforme and we see no image or similitude of it in the Gospel Therefore there is no such Secondly Independents have been frequently pressed to shew us any such exactform of Church-government instituted and generally prescribed to all ages

over them both in and out of Synods After this in the very height of Popery and the revivall of it in England in the first year of Queen Mary a Parliament and Convocation being summoned to re-establish Popery the Queen her selfe appointed and commanded a publike Disputation to be held at Pauls Church in London in the Convocation house about the matter of the Sacrament which was accordingly held and continued six whole dayes many Earles Lords knights Gentlemen and divers of the Parliament Court and City being present at it to the end that they might constitute Laws of the matters of Religion debated which the Queen and Parliament might ratifie The Disputation being ended The Queen sent a Writ to Bonner Bishop of London to dissolve the Convocation which was done accordingly So that this Convocation did nothing in matter of doctrine or discipline even in these times of Popery but what the Queen did first direct and limit them Queen Mary deceasing and Queen Elizabeth a Protestant Princesse succeeding her called a Parliament and Convocation to suppresse Popery and re-establish the Protestant true Religion To effect which with more facility this pious Queen having heard of the diversity of opinions in maters of Religion among sundry of her loving Subjects and being very desirous to have the same reduced to some godly and christian concord by the advice of the Lords and others of the Privy Councell as well for the satisfaction of persons doubtfull as also for the knowledge of the very truth in certain matters of difference commanded a convenient chosen number of the best learned of either part to conferre together their opinions and reasons concerning three particular points that should be prescribed to them thereby to come to some good and charitable agreement with all convenient speed Hereupon nine of the learnedst Papists were chosen on the one side and nine of the ablest Protestants on the other to debate these three Propositions prescribed to them in writing 1. It is against the word of God and the custome of the ancient Church to use a tongue unknown to the people in common Prayer and the administration of the Sacraments 2. Every Church hath authority to appoint take away and change Ceremonies and Ecclesiasticall Rites so the same be to edification 3. It cannot be proved by the word of God that there is in the Masse offered up a sacrifice propitiatory for the quick and the dead It was further resolved by the Queens Majesty that the conference on both parties should be in writing for avoiding much altercation of words that both sides should declare their minds opinions and reasons in writing and at the same day deliver them mutually one to the other to be considered and to return their answers thereto in writing by a certaine day Immediately herupon divers Nobles and States of the Realme understanding that such a meeting and conference should be in certain matters whereupon In the Court of Parliament consequently following some Lawes might be grounded they made earnest request to her Majesty that the parties of this conference might be ordered to put and read their Assertions in the English tongue and that in the presence of them of the Nobility and of The Parliament House for the better satisfaction and ordering of their owne judgements to treat and conclude of such Lawes as might depend hereupon This also being thought very reasonable was signified to both parties and so fully agreed upon and the day appointed for the first meeting to bee the Friday in the afternoone being the last of March at Westminster Church At which day and place both for good order and for honor of the Conference By the Queens Maiesties Commandement the Lords and others of the privie Councell were present and a great part of the Nobility also The Lord Keeper and the rest of the Lords bearing chiefe sway in ordering this conference as you may read at large in Master Fox in the second dayes discourse In this Conference I shall onely observe two passages of the Protestant party The first is the begining of their Prologue to their written Conference in these words For as much as it is thought good to the Queens most Excellent Majesty unto whom in the Lord all obedience is due that we should declare our Iudgement in writing upon certain Propositians We as becometh us to do herein most gladly obey The next is their third observation from the law of Justinian the Emperor commanding all Bishops and Priests to celebrate the holy oblation and prayers in Baptisme with an audible voyce c. And let them know this that if they neglect any of these things the dreadfull judgement of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ shall fall upon you neither will wee when wee know it rest and leave it unrevenged viz. That this Emperour being a christian did not only make Constitutions of Ecclesiasticall matters but also threatneth revenge and sharp punishment to the violaters of the same Therefore they held he had an obliging power over his Subjects and a coersiveauthority vested in him to enforce obedience to his Lawes of which more hereafter As this was the practise of this blessed pious Queen in the begining of her Raigne to prescribe to her Clergy in Convocation what they should treat off and how So it continued in use and was punctually submitted to by all Convocations during her Raigne and that not onely as a matter of complement but of conscience religion and the established doctrine of the Church of England as you may read at large in Bishop Jewels Apology of the Church of England and in the Defence of his Apologie against Harding part 6. c. 9. to 16. p. 689. to 766. a learned full discourse to this purpose and in Bishop Bilsons true Difference between Christian Subjection unchristian Rebellion the second part to omit all others who have handled this subject in her Raigne It seemes therefore strange to me that this which was reputed the true doctrine of the emmine●test learnedest writers Reformers of this Church and of the Church of England it selfe from the begining to the end of her happy Raign and ever since should bee deemed meere Antichristian Diabolicall theomacall and meer Popish doctrine now when as the contrary opinion is really such Our late Soveraigne King James in his Letters Patents before the Ecclesiasticall Canons and Constitutions made in Convocation A● 1603. recites that he called that Convocation by his Writ and that ●e did By severall Letters Patents under his Great Seale of England the one dated the 11. of April the other the 25. of Iune in the first year of his Raigne Give and grant full free and lawfull liberty power and Authority unto the sayd Clergy in their Convocation who without such a Patent and License could debate and conclude nothing else it had been vaine and superfluours To conferre Treat Debate Consider Consult and agree of and upon

That every particular Church now consisting of visible Saints is under Christ as the SOLE Head King Governour Law-giver of it and so is subject to no other jurisdiction then that of Christ his Spirit his Word We hold that every particular Church is under Christs Government as the SOLE Head King Lord Governour thereof That it is a spirituall House whose only builder and Governour is Christ and not man A spirituall Kingdome whose only King is Christ and not man A spirituall Republique whose only Law-giver is Christ and not man A spirituall Corporation whose only head is Christ and not man That no man nor power on earth hath a Kingly power over this Kingdome That no earthly Law-givers may give Lawes to this Kingdome or Republique That no man may claime or exercise a head-ship over this body That no man can or ought to take the Government of this Communion of Saints That men may not appoint limit constitute what Congregations of all sorts they please to be Churches of Christ as Nations and Parishes That Christ is King over every mans conscience so that no power on earth may sit with him in this his Thror c. yea so as no human power not Law may intermeddle to prescribe rules for the Government or formes of this Church of Christ That the Children of those Parents who will not thus acknowledge Christ to be their only King and Law-giver and are ashamed or afraid to be thus in Covenant with Christ in the Independents way as their King are not to be baptized such Parents not being within the Covenant A very hard and uncharitable censure of all Churches Persons who are not Independent That Christ is the ONLY Potentate Law-giver Lord King Governour over Churches and not men Not Councells or Senates That this is Christs Royall Prerogative which is incommunicable to ANY or All the powers on earth That Christ hath not delegated his Kingly Office to any Princes Magistrates PARLIAMENTS to set up any forme of Worship of Church-Government who have no authority to make Lawes to rule or binde any particular Churches and if they make any such they shall be apt to transgresse them but yet men must take heed how they punish them for that transgression with any enseresciderdum or Club-law This is the summe and oft repeted Argument of my deare Brothers Booke To give a satisfactory Answer to this Objection I shall first demand of my dear Brother what he meanes by this frequently incultated assertion That every particular Church is under Christ as the only Head King Lawgiver Lord and Governour thereof c. and that none ought to have any power rule or Jurisdiction in the Church but Christ alone If he intends that he is the only immediate HEAD KING Law-giver and Governour as he clearely doth I desire some solid scripture proofes for it since he produceth none to evince it the rather because it is quite contrary to sundry expres Texts which stile Kings Majestrates Ministers Heigher powers Rulers Overseers Fathers Nursing Fathers Pastors of over their Churches people flocks who are ever enjoyned to obey submit unto them yea Rulers of the Templ Congregation Church Rulers Chife Rulers of the Synagogu ●ay sometimes Gods sitting upon Gods throne to whom men must yeeld obedience for the Lords sake as to Gods Christs Vicegerents and Embassadours Yea Brother your selfe informe us out of Scripture pag. 51. That the members of Christs body are Superiour and inferiour as Pastors Teachers Teaching and RVLING Elders Helps GOVERNMENTS Bishops or OVERSEERS c. If Christ then be the onely Head King Ruler Shephard Governour of his Church and none else in that sense you object what will become of these Pastors Ruling-Elders Governours Overseers which you averre Christ hath fixed in his Churches What will become of those Independent Ministers who take upon them like absolute kings Popes Lawgivers to erect gather new Chruches of their own forming and prescribe both Lawes Rules Covenants to them which Christ never made Brother you must expunge the 1 Tim. 5. 17 Let the Elders that RULE well be counted worthy of double honour Rom. 13. 1. Let every soule BEE SVBIECT to the HIGHER POWERS c. even for CONSCIENCE SAKE Tit. 3. 1. Put them in minde to be subject to Principalities and Powers to obey Magistrates c. Heb. 12. 17. Obey them that have THE RULE OVER YOU and SVBMIT your selves for they watch for your soules as they that must give an account c. Remember Salute all them that have the RVLE OVER YOV Acts 20. 28. Take heed to the floke over which the Holy Ghost hath made you OVERSEERS or Bishops to feed the Church of God which he hath purchased with his bloud Rom. 12. 8. HE that RVLETH let him do it with diligence 2 Chron. 9. 8. Blessed be the Lord thy God who delighted in thee to set thee VPON HIS THRONE to BE KING FOR THE LORD THY GOD c. with infinite other Texts yea the very names of Kings Princes Governours Elders Rulers Magistrates Overseers Bishops Teachers Fathers Pastors Masters c. out of the Bible and all Christian States Churches if you will make Christ alone the only immediate King Ruler Governour Lawgiver of his Church in the sence you here object it and that no person nor humane power whatsoever hath or ought to have any rule power or jurisdiction in or over the Churches people of God But if you meane no more but that Christ is the onely supreame Head King Lord Governour Lawgiver Pastor and Ruler of his Church and that all other Kings Princes Magistrates Rulers Pastors Ministers Governours are subordinate unto him as to the King of Kings Lord of Lords and chiefe Shepheard of his flock● your proposition is true but your conclusion miserably false that therfore there are no subordinate Kings Magistrates Rulers Pastors Governours Lawgivers under him to rule governe order instruct direct his Churches and people which the forequoted Texts your owne experience reason and the whole world will contradict Secondly I shall demand of my Brother how he proves all his forementioned Paradoxes concerning Christ and the Church in the sense he propounds them Or that his own or other Independent Churches lately gathered erected by no other but by men and consederated by a new Covenant framed by men not Christ to be built governed ordered onely by Christ and not men to be the spirituall Kingdome of Christ c. whole onely King Governour Head is Christ and not man Or in what Text he can shew me any particular Independent Church stiled Christs spirituall Kingdom and Republike I find it prophesied Revl 11. 15. That when the seventh Angel foundeth The KINGDOMES of this World which must be meant of Nationall Churches which you deny not of Particular Congregations which are no such Kingdoms shall become the Kingdomes of the Lord and of his Christ That all the

keeping the Commandements of the first and second Table the advancement of Gods Honour and Service the propagation of the Gospell the peace and well ordering of the Church State Family the performance of the externall publike or private exercises of Religion Or to avoyd scandalls Schismes Errors Innovations Corruptions in the Church or to bring men to the Ordinances and knowledge of the truth doe of themselves binde the Conscience at least in generall because they tend to the observation of the morall Law which wee are bound in Conscience to obey That particular civill and Ecclesiasticall Laws wherby the temporall Law givers not only signifie what is to be done but likewise seriously intend to command it and to obliege the infringers to an offence doe in particular and by themselves bind the Conscience under paine of sin and offence of God That other particular Lawes may bind the Conscience though not of themselves in regard of the thing commanded yet by accident when by their violation the Order Peace or government of the Church or State is disturbed the authority of the Law-givers and Magistrates dispised or just scandall given to the Church State or any weake brethren The Arguments to prove these positions follow 1. Those Laws to which men must be obedient and subject even for Conscience sake and that by Gods own command must necessarily binde the Concience But to such Ecclesiasticall and Civill Lawes as are sore-specified men must bee obedient and subject not only for wrath but even for Conscience sake Rom. 13. 1 2 5. Therefore they must necessarily binde the Conscience 2. Those Lawes whose violation drawes both a temporall and spirituall offence guilt and condemnation upon the infringers of them must needs obliege the conscience because conscience is sensible of the offence or sinne committed and dreads the punishment of it But the violating of such humane Laws as are forementioned drawes both a temporall and Civill Offence Guilt and judgment upon men as the Apostle yea every mans Conscience and experience determines Ergo they binde the Conscience Those Lawes and Ordinances which God Himselfe enjoynes us to obey even for the Lords sake must of necessity bind the Conscience to ready obedience because God Himselfe the Soveraigne and supreame Lord of the Conscience commands us to obey them But God Himselfe enjoynes us to obey the foresaid Lawes and Ordinances of men even for the Lords sake Romans 13. 1 3 5. 1 Pet. 2. 14 15 16. Ergo they bind the Conscience 4. Every Supreame Power Lawgiver Magistrate in commanding such things and making such Laws as aforesaid is but Gods owne Deputy Ordinance Minister Vicegerent in obeying whom wee obey and in contemning whose Edicts we contemne even God Himselfe from whom they derive their Authority Rom. 13. 1 2. 1 Pet. 2. 14 15 16. Ephes 6. 5 6 7. Col. 3. 22 23 24. Therefore their just Laws must needs oblige the Conscience as being in some sence the very Ordinances and Lawes of God Himselfe according to that resolution of Saint Bernard Sive Deus sive homo Vicarius Dei mandatum quodcunque tradiderit pari profecto obsequendum est cura pari reverentia deferendum ubi tamen Deo contraria non praecipit homo Which Augustine thus seconds In eare sola filius non debet obedire Patri suo si aliquod Pater ipsius jusserit contra Dominum Deum ipsius Ubi enim hoc jubet Pater quod contra Dominum non sit sic audiendus est quomodo Deus quia obedire Patri jussit Deus which he proves by Gods blessing of the RECABITES for obeying their Fathers command in not drinking Wine Jer. 25. Vpon this very ground Wives are commanded to submit themselves to their owne Husbands as UNTO THE LORD To bee subject to them in every thing as the Church is to Christ Eph. 5. 22 24. Col. 3. 8. Servants are commanded to bee obedient to their Masters according to the flesh with feare and trembling and singlenesse of heart as unto Christ Not with eye service as men pleasers but as the servants of Christ doing the will of God from the heart with good will doing service as Vnto the Lord not to men knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doth he shall receive from the Lord for YEE SERVE herein THE LORD CHRIST If servants in obeying their Masters Children their Parents Wives their Husbands lawfull commands serve and obey the Lord Christ Himselfe as the Scripture positively resolves then Christian subjects and Churches in obeying the lawfull Ecclesiasticall or Civill Lawes of their Princes and Parliaments obey and serve Christ Himselfe therein and so doe they who enact them and not commit the highest presumption that can bee against the most Highest as my Brother objects without any authority but with his Ipse dixi Fifthly Paul did endeavour and exercise himselfe to keepe a good Conscience alwayes both towards God and Man by obeying the just Laws and commands of man as well as of God as some Interprets expound it Acts 24. 16. Yea Peter commands servants to be subject to their Masters with all feare not only to the good and gentle but also to the froward and even for CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOOD to endure griefe and suffer wrongfully from them and by the 1 Peter 3. 16. We are injoyned to have a GOOD CONSCIENCE Towards men who speake evill of us Whence thus I argue If a good Conscience must bee carefully exercised and kept as well toward the lawfull precepts and lawes of Man as of God then certainly they binde the Conscience as well as the Law of God else what had conscience to do with them But the supposition is most evident by the former texts Therefore the deduction thence Sixthly If such Lawes should not bind the conscience and inward man to the cheerfull practicall obedience of them but only the purse and outward man the obedience to them would bee lame or slavish the Lawes Nugatory and contemptible the end of the Laws which is cheerefull obedence to them for the advancement of Gods glory and the publike good of Church and State frustrated and the contempt of them no sinne at all against the fifth Commandement and the precepts of obedience to the higher Powers Magistrates and Rulers over us as all Expositors on the 5th Commandement resolve it is 7. The violating of such just Civill and Ecclesiasticall Lawes as these will cause violating whereof a tender true in lightned conscience will checke a man for and accuse him as guilty of an offence Therefore They must certainely oblige the Conscience else it would not checke at such a violation and acquit and cheere a man in case of ready Obedience as every mans experience can attest if hee narrowly watch his conscience in case it be not feared Eighthly Disobedience to the just edicts Lawes of Magistrates Governours Parents Naturall Civill or Ecclesiasticall are particularly branded both

things to make good his Argument 1. That if there were no other particular Church in the world then one as that of Abrahams family should it not be a compleat Church untill there were other Churches on whose jurisdiction it should depend I answer yes But this is not the case nor question We in our Realme blessed be God have in all parts not only one particular christian family church but many thousand Parochiall Churches Congregations as our very Almanacks as well as Cosmographers will informe you What then Brother will you inferre from this sole Church in Abrahams family to our Churches now Will you argue Abraham in his dayes had a compleat absolute Independent Church in his own family onely Ergo now there ought to be such an Independent absolute Church in every family at least where there is a sufficient number requisite to make up a ministeriall body as you interpret it what then will become of your congregationall Churches and our Parochial consisting of many great families they must by this new Doctrine divide themselves presently into so many families or Independent Churches as there are great families in them and then I hope the Master of the family onely not an Independent Minister must be their Paster and Ruler as Abraham was in his and then farewell the office of Minister which some of your Lay Elders exercise without scruple denying the very calling of Ministers and all our Churches too Brother will you argue thus Adam was a compleat and absolute man alone therefore he needed not a helper or wife or family to be joyned to him Suppose you should take a single person who formerly lived alone by and of himselfe without relation to or communion with any other men like a Popish Hermite or Anchorite into your family Church or incorporate him into this City or any company in it will you say that because this man was absolute and under no command at first Ergo he must continue so still in your family Church this City and his company and neither you nor any of them may or can of right enact any thing to controle him I trow not When there were only single Families living remote from others in the world they were absolute and compleate Churches Republikes of themselves but when these single families multiplyed and combined themselves into Villages Cities Provinces Republikes Kingdomes they thereby lost their pristine liberty absolutenesse independencie compleatnesse and of intire small bodies Churches Republikes became onely parts and members of those larger ones to which they were thus combined So it is with particular Mother Churches when there was but one particular Church in the world or in one State or Kingdome the case of all the first Churches planted by the Apostles without any Neighbour Churches to combine with this Church being under no superiour Christian Magistrates was absolute and independent in it selfe there being no other Church to joyne with But if this one Church through the encrease of Christians shall swell so great as to spread it selfe over all the City or Republike wherein it is and so upon necessity must divide it selfe into sundry particular Congregations then all these Churches being under one and the selfe-same Republike and united together under one supreame Civill Magistrate as members of the same Nation Kingdom City Republike and of the self-same nationall or Provinciall Church doe thereupon lose their absolutenes and Independency and become subject to the Power Lawes Canons Determinations Government and Discipline of the whole Nationall Church and Kingdome of which they are but members which to preserve publike peace unity order amity ought constantly to be governed by the self-same generall Ecclesiasticall Lawes setled by the common consent of all their severall National Synods and Parliaments as Civill Lawes are which oblige all But this saith my Brother in the second place takes away the lawfull Jurisdiction and rights of particular Churches Ergo it is not to be admitted I answer first By the like reason you may argue the joyning of many particular persons into one family of divers families into one Parish of sundry Parishes into one City of divers Citie into one State of sundry States and Kingdomes into one Monarchy or Empire of divers Companies and Regiments into one Army of sundry Knights Citizens Burgess●● and Peeres into one Parliament and many Ministers into one Synod deprives them of their Independency their particular Rights Interests and subjects them to a new superiour power Iurisdiction command and to their publicke Lawes and Ordinances Ergo it is unlawfull intollerable and such Corporations Republicks Kingdomes Empires Parliaments Synods ought not to be If this be a good consequence you will subvert all humane Societies Corporations Republicks Synods Parliaments Independent Churches and Families to by like reason ● This takes not away the lawfull rights of particular Congregations but rather improves them for their owne particular and the publick good for Brother I pray informe me which is best of the two for a particular Church or Corporation to be subject only to such Lawes Rules Government and Discipline as shall be made decreed declared most agreeable to the Word of God and fit to be generally received in all Churches by an whole Parliament and Assembly of the most wise ablest and best experienced Christians Nobles Divines after long debate and consideration or by the private rash Opinions and perchance passions humours of two or three private persons perhaps directed swayed by particuler interests relations ends Which is justest safest or most remote from Tyrannicall Arbitrary and Papall Government for Churches States Persons to be all confined to certaine publicke Lawes and Canons enacted by common consent in Parliament limiting who shall be admitted to who secluded from the Congregation Sacrament communion of Saints c. and for what causes offences in certaine c. then to be left Arbitrary to the meer mercy wills determinations of the Ministers and Elders of every particular Congregation or to the pleasures of Princes or some few temporall Magistrates without any Lawes or limits to restrain them We all hold it the greatest happinesse freedome of our Kingdom and the chiefest part of our Priviledge which we enjoy as free-men of England That we neither may nor can be legally bound by any Lawes Canons Taxes or Commands but only such as are made and imposed on us by full consent in Parliament and not subject to the meere Arbitrary Lawes Ordinances wills commands of our Princes Magistrates Iudges Prelates or any other private men And shall it be then held the slavery injury and not rather the liberty or priviledge of particular Churches and their members to be subject only to such Ecclesiasticall Rules Canons Orders Covenants Government and Discipline as shall be publickly agreed on consented to and setled in Parliament to which all Churches Christians shall be equally obliged without exemption then to be left at six and