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The Conformists reasons for hearing and joining with the Nonconformists
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The Conformists Reasons for hearing and joining with the Nonconformists 1. THE same Reasons which oblige Persons to hear and join with us oblige us also to take all Opportunities of hearing and joining with the Nonconformists they being Ministers of Christ having due Call and Authority from him to preach the Gospel The Church hath real need of their Labours their Ministry is hated by Satan and Saint-hating Men they are duly subject to the higher Powers and are protected by the Law of the Land in the course of their Ministry and are a considerable part of that same Church of England which their present Majesties under God are Supream Governours of according to the old Oath of Supremacy and the 37th Article of the Church of England 2. Those Words of our Saviour's take place here He that is not against us is on our part Mark 9. 40. The Nonconformists really are not against us therefore they are on our part The Scope and Drift of their Ministry is to win Souls not to this or that Sect but to Christ to teach them their Duty to God and to their present Majesties as sole Supream under God and the common Center of Catholick Unity in these Nations They are truly tender of our Ministry rejoice in our Labours and in the Gifts and Graces of able and faithful Conformists rebuke Backbiters and Vilifyers of our Ministry and as they have opportunity hear and join with us and our Churches 3. In the time of the late King James the Church of England did confess its Error in being severe to the Nonconformists This is plain from a certain Pamphlet published in the late King's Reign intituled A Letter to a Dissenter upon occasion of his Majesties late gracious Declaration of Indulgence The Words thereof pag. 8. are these following The Church of England convinced of its Error in being severe to you the Parliament whenever it meeteth will sure be gentle to you the next Heir bred in the Country which you have so often quoted for a Pattern of Indulgence A general Agreement of all thinking Men that we must no more cut our selves off from the Protestants abroad but rather inlarge the Foundations upon which we are to build our Defences against the common Enemy so that in truth all things seem to conspire to give you Ease and Satisfaction c. This is to be looked upon as the general sense of the conforming Nobility Gentry Commonalty and Clergy in the time of the late King's Reign for so really it was as is well known Now here the Church of England doth confess its Error towards the Dissenters and to have erred not in some slight and trivial Matters but in Matters touching the Foundation and sees a necessity of inlarging its Foundations and consequently of taking in the Nonconformists and making them constituent Parts of the Church with her self Either then the Nonconformists are upon one and the same Foundation with our selves or they deserve to be and it is through no fault of theirs that they are not being upon the same Foundation we cannot be against their Ministry and Meetings but we must needs be against our own and overthrow the Common Protestant Cause Religion and Interest in this Nation and consequently in all other Nations and Countries what in us lies and in being for their Ministry we are for our own 4. These Scriptures set together prove it a Duty viz. Hear and your Soul shall live Isa 55. 3. Where two or three are gathered together in my Name there am I in the midst of them Mat. 18. 20. I charge thee before God and the Lord Jesus Christ preach the Word be instant in season out of season 2 Tim. 4. 1 2. Though I be free from all Men yet have I made my self Servant unto all that I might gain the more And unto the Jews I became as a Jew that I might gain the Jews to them that are under the Law as under the Law that I might gain them that are under the Law to them that are without Law being not without Law to God but under the Law to Christ that I might gain them that are without Law To the Weak became I as weak that I might gain the Weak I am made all things to all Men that I might by all means save some And this I do for the Gospel's Sake 1 Cor. 9. 19 20 21 22 23. 5. The Communion of Saints is a principal Part of the Catechism and of the common Creed of Christendom it is a Fundamental in true Religion most frequently repeated in all Conforming Congregations Now we do not duly believe and practise this Fundamental unless we hear and join with the Nonconforming Brethren in the Word and Prayer and Sacraments as we have Call and Opportunity they being visible Saints and there being nothing in their way of Worship but what is either laudable or tolerable God doth own and approve their Ministry and Meetings and is graciously present with them Objections Answered Obj. 1. The Presbyterian Ministers refuse Subjection to the Governours of the Church of England and therefore it cannot be safe for us to hear and join with them Answ This is plainly not true for under God their present Majesties are sole Supream Governours of the Church of England ruling all Estates according to Laws enacted by common Consent in Parliament witness the old Oath of Supremacy and the 37th Article of the Church of England in these words The King's Majesty hath the chief Power in this Realm of England and other his Dominions Vnto whom the chief Government of all Estates of this Realm whether they be Ecclesiastical or Civil in all Causes doth appertain and is not nor ought to be subject to any foreign Jurisdiction The Presbyterians generally subscribe this Article and it is notorious that they are duly subject to their present Majesties pray heartily for them pay Taxes bear all legal Charges keep the stated monthly Fasts strictly and solemnly and are more upright and cordial to the present Government than many of the Conformists are If you deny their present Majesties to be chief Governours of the Church of England you then bring in the Papacy and unhinge the Government Obj. 2. Though the King be supream Governour by the Sword yet Bishops are supream Governours of the Church of England by the Word Answ Bishops have no Authority but what is ministerial and subordinate and therefore they cannot be supream Governours they are under Law to God and they are under Law to the King as God's Vicegerent If you suppose them supream Governours of the Church of England you suppose them Popes that is Antichristian Prelates exalting themselves above God and above the King his Vicegerent Abiathar the High-Priest was not superior to nor coordinate with King Solomon but his Subject and therefore for his Crime was justly deposed by him and Zadok put in his room Obj. 3. The Presbyterian Ministers have not just and valid Ordination as being
in publick let those who are so able not be abridged of their Liberty beyond their own choice and Christian Prudence The Nonconformists keep to Christ's own Words in the Act of Baptism and they recite the Words of Christ touching the Lord's Supper and they keep to a stinted Form in Singing Psalms and they read God's own Word in their Assemblies and if they be able to preach they are able to pray and to suit their Prayer to the Edification of that People over whom they are set and to whom they minister And therefore this can be no just Exception they think they have much more reason to except against our way as being too much in stinted Forms Obj. 8. We who are Conformists cannot hear and join with the Nonconformists without condemning our own way Answ It doth not follow that because our Way is good therefore their Way is not good for as to external Modes and Forms and Things circumstantial Sister-Churches and Neighbour-Congregations may differ and yet both be good and lawful Twenty Ministers at the same time in distant Congregations may hit upon the same Text and deliver the same substantial Doctrine and yet their Words and Method and Composure may wonderfully vary and all may be good and useful and God more glorified by such Variety than otherwise Most conforming Congregations have no Organs some have must therefore one of the two necessarily be bad and damnable The Churches in Holland the Churches in Helvetia the Churches in Geneva the Churches in Denmark the Churches in England the Protestant French Churches have different ways and modes and forms as to external Worship If one be good must we therefore condemn all the rest as sinful What is sinful and forbidden by God we may in no wise conform to but what is neither precisely commanded nor precisely forbidden by God may be done or not done according as Christian Prudence shall dictate to be most convenient in such Cases and Matters we are after the Example of Paul to be all things to all Men and if we come to an Episcopal Church do as they do if we come to a Presbyterian Church do as they do according as Ambrose advised Augustine Ad quamcunque ecclesiam veneris ejus morem serva si c. To what Church soever thou shalt come observe its way and manner if thou wouldst neither offend others nor have others to offend thee Obj. 9. If the Nonconformists will preach in the Church I will readily hear them but to hear them in Barns and private Houses and the like places I like not I am against it Answ We cannot follow a better Pattern than Christ Now he preached not only in the Temple and Synagogue but in private Houses and sometimes upon a Mountain and by the Sea-side out of a Ship the People standing upon the Shore and he never declined Preaching to more or fewer in any convenient place suitable to the Occasion The places in which the Nonconformists preach some of them are goodly Edifices some of them are publick Chappels the meanest of them are not naturally indecent they best suit with their Circumstances and God being graciously present with them the places where they assemble must needs be the House of God and the Gate of Heaven Gen. 28. 10 to 18. Get them free leave to exercise their Ministry in the Churches and they will willingly quit their Barns and other places but if you exclude them from the Churches you necessitate them to preach in other places and by valuing the Word for the sake of the Place rather than the Place for the sake of the Word you declare that indeed you do not truly value God's Word As it was no shame to Christ to be born in a Stable nor to his Virgin-Mother because it was not their Sin but their Calamity but all the Shame was to those that thrust them into the Stable so it is no Shame for God's Ministers and People to worship him in a Barn when they have no fitter Place to worship him in but the Shame is to those that might allow them better Places to worship God in and will not but thrust them into a Barn and then make that a Cloak for their not hearing and joining with them Obj. 10. There is no need of the Nonconformists Preaching it doth more hurt than good it may better be spared the Conformist Ministers are full enow for the People of this Land Answ I confess that if all Places throughout the Nation were supplied by able and faithful Conforming Ministers as some are there would not be such need of the Nonconformists Preaching as now there is but it is manifest to all discerning and impartial Christians that though there is no want of Ministers yet there is great need of able holy powerful painful and exemplary Ministers in all the Diocesses of England and pious Conformists and Nonconformists Ministers have need of each others Labours and the more humble and faithful they are the more sensible of it Never to this day did the Church over-abound with able and faithful Preachers nor will to the end of the World while the Followers of Cain and Abel remain in the World and many are called but few chosen Good Bishop Hall would use to say You may as well complain of too many Stars in the Firmament as of too many good Preachers in a County Obj. 11. The late Act for Toleration doth only tolerate the Nonconformist Meetings it doth not approve them Answ It is plain from the Preamble of the Act that it permits them as an effectual means to unit their Majesties Protestant Subjects in Interest and Affection and therefore it must needs approve them For nothing that is not good and laudable and worthy to be approved can be an effectual means of uniting Protestants in Interest and Affection so that the Nonconformists have as true Right to their places by the Law of the Land as the Conformists have to theirs they are both alike under their Majesties Protection and do alike stand or fall with them and their Government their Religion is one they have the same common Enemy and are like to be happy or miserable strong or weak according as they unite in God and their present Majesties or do not unite Obj. 12. The Presbyterian Meetings are not true visible Churches of Christ Answ The 19th Article of the Church of England declares the visible Church of Christ to be a Congregation of faithful Men in the which the pure Word of God is preached and the Sacraments be duly ministred according to Christ's Ordinance in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same Now the Presbyterian Meetings are visibly such Congregations and therefore it is impossible that they should be heretical schismatical and lacking in any thing necessary to the being of true visible Churches of Christ If we deny them to be true visible Churches of Christ we shall not be able to prove the Conformist