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A30189 An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball. Ball, John, 1585-1640.; Ashe, Simeon, d. 1662. 1642 (1642) Wing B558; ESTC R3127 281,779 264

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15._o m●●er_n or_o in_o cant._n 1.7_o or_o as_o one_o that_o cover_v herself_o in_o mourn_a ●●v_n 13.4_o 5._o mic._n 3.7_o bright_n in_o lo●_n sept._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sym._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v leave_v the_o true_a god_n and_o follow_v false_a god_n or_o idol_n he_o be_v glue_v and_o stick_v fast_o unto_o they_o that_o he_o will_v not_o be_v pull_v away_o let_v he_o alone_o that_o be_v have_v no_o fellowship_n or_o communion_n with_o he_o in_o his_o idolatry_n but_o that_o which_o be_v true_o allege_v against_o communion_n with_o idolater_n in_o their_o idolatry_n or_o false_a worship_n be_v unjust_o wrest_v against_o communion_n with_o a_o true_a christian_a church_n in_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n the_o faithful_a must_v not_o enter_v into_o gilgal_n nor_o go_v up_o to_o bethaven_n though_o the_o priest_n that_o there_o sacrifice_v be_v of_o the_o tribe_n of_o levi_n because_o idolatry_n be_v there_o commit_v the_o office_n or_o service_n there_o
our_o baptism_n which_o follow_v not_o from_o idol_n essential_o man_n ought_v to_o separate_v by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o 11.13.10_o the_o 2_o chron._n 11.13.10_o levite_n and_o the_o two_o tribe_n that_o make_v separation_n from_o the_o calf_n of_o jeroboam_n from_o idol_n of_o participation_n and_o occasion_n man_n ought_v to_o keep_v their_o own_o self_n pure_a but_o not_o to_o separate_v by_o the_o ensample_n of_o the_o 16.21_o the_o 2_o reg._n 16.21_o godly_a who_o separate_v not_o from_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n for_o damascus_n altar_n there_o and_o from_o the_o 22.43_o the_o 1_o reg._n 22.43_o church_n because_o of_o her_o high_a place_n it_o be_v object_v once_o more_o against_o we_o if_o our_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v a_o idol_n than_o our_o minister_n that_o do_v make_v it_o be_v idolater_n and_o our_o church_n idolatrous_a also_o this_o follow_v not_o neither_o for_o denomination_n be_v from_o the_o form_n and_o the_o cross_n not_o be_v formal_o a_o idol_n among_o we_o but_o material_o i_o speak_v in_o comparison_n of_o the_o popish_a cross_n in_o regard_n whereof_o we_o may_v be_v say_v to_o use_v that_o which_o be_v a_o idol_n but_o we_o do_v not_o use_v it_o idolatrous_o therefore_o as_o dr_n fulke_n 20._o fulke_n dr._n fulk_n against_o greg._n mart._n cap._n 3_o sect_n 20._o conclude_v of_o the_o lutheran_n for_o have_v image_n in_o their_o church_n the_o same_o must_v be_v say_v of_o all_o those_o protestant_n that_o will_v retain_v cross_n they_o sin_n against_o the_o two_o first_o commandment_n through_o idolothisme_n not_o direct_o through_o idolatry_n and_o therefore_o they_o may_v not_o be_v term_v idolater_n howbeit_o by_o way_n of_o reduction_n idolothisme_n be_v in_o some_o sort_n guilty_a of_o idolatry_n as_o show_v the_o 10.34_o the_o 1_o cor._n 10.34_o apostle_n who_o in_o stead_n of_o say_v fly_v from_o idolothisme_n say_v fly_v from_o idolatry_n this_o idolatry_n by_o reduction_n what_o be_v it_o else_o but_o idolatry_n by_o participation_n as_o do_v appear_v by_o the_o 18.20_o and_o 24._o verse_n follow_v but_o this_o participation_n be_v not_o in_o our_o cross_n will_v our_o opposite_n say_v who_o first_o lest_o haply_o they_o shall_v mistake_v we_o we_o desire_v to_o recount_v the_o ancient_a 10.16_o ancient_a pet._n martyr_n in_o 1_o cor._n 10.16_o distinction_n plus_fw-fr est_fw-la communio_fw-la quàm_fw-la participatio_fw-la nam_fw-la ad_fw-la hanc_fw-la satis_fw-la est_fw-la partem_fw-la habere_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la illam_fw-la requiritur_fw-la ut_fw-la prorsus_fw-la uniamur_fw-la atque_fw-la totum_fw-la percipiamus_fw-la quod_fw-la nobis_fw-la proponitur_fw-la this_o be_v premise_v that_o we_o charge_v the_o cross_n not_o with_o a_o total_a communion_n but_o with_o a_o 9_o a_o thing_n ordain_v by_o god_n must_v have_v reverence_n though_o they_o be_v but_o creature_n as_o thing_n that_o be_v sacred_a by_o the_o word_n &_o ordinance_n of_o god_n but_o adoration_n they_o must_v not_o have_v aug._n the_o doct_n christ_n lib._n 3._o cap._n 9_o qui_fw-la veneratur_fw-la utile_fw-la signum_fw-la divinitus_fw-la institutum_fw-la cujus_fw-la vim_o significationemque_fw-la intelligit_fw-la non_fw-la hoc_fw-la veneratur_fw-la quod_fw-la videtur_fw-la sed_fw-la illud_fw-la potius_fw-la quo_fw-la talia_fw-la cuncta_fw-la referenda_fw-la sunt_fw-la but_o image_n be_v sign_n unprofitable_a to_o serve_v god_n with_o and_o dangerous_a and_o since_o the_o law_n of_o god_n express_o and_o strict_o charge_v we_o not_o so_o much_o as_o to_o bow_v our_o body_n or_o knee_n to_o the_o likeness_n of_o any_o thing_n in_o heaven_n or_o earth_n which_o be_v make_v with_o hand_n it_o can_v neither_o be_v christian_a nor_o catholic_a to_o do_v it_o see_v bilson_n christ_n subject_n part_n pag._n 391._o &_o 534._o theodoret._n dial._n 2._o use_v the_o word_n adoration_n for_o a_o external_a regard_n and_o reverence_n veneration_n be_v a_o word_n that_o augustine_n found_v all_o the_o sign_n &_o sacrament_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n adoration_n he_o reserve_v to_o god_n only_o aug._n the_o docr_n christ_n lib._n 3._o cap._n 9_o participation_n in_o part_n only_o we_o do_v thus_o bring_v in_o our_o evidence_n against_o he_o thus_o mr_n parker_n now_o consider_v how_o many_o way_n you_o falsify_v his_o testimony_n and_o whether_o you_o do_v it_o willing_o or_o no_o let_v your_o conscience_n judge_n mr_n parker_n say_v the_o cross_n be_v a_o idol_n material_o but_o not_o formal_o that_o be_v among_o the_o papist_n it_o be_v a_o idol_n essential_o and_o so_o the_o use_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v the_o use_n of_o that_o which_o be_v a_o idol_n but_o not_o use_v idolatrous_o among_o we_o you_o make_v he_o to_o say_v because_o we_o must_v fly_v from_o idol_n therefore_o we_o can_v communicate_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n where_o the_o cross_n be_v use_v without_o sin_n he_o say_v man_n must_v keep_v themselves_o pure_a from_o idolothite_n and_o not_o partake_v in_o the_o use_n of_o they_o but_o not_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n or_o ordinance_n of_o grace_n because_o such_o rite_n or_o ceremony_n be_v use_v in_o the_o administration_n you_o clean_a contrary_n make_v he_o to_o say_v that_o man_n can_v communicate_v in_o the_o ordinance_n or_o worship_n god_n in_o that_o society_n where_o such_o thing_n be_v practise_v but_o of_o necessity_n they_o must_v communicate_v in_o the_o sin_n he_o teach_v that_o he_o that_o use_v the_o idolothite_n or_o material_a idol_n be_v not_o a_o idolater_n because_o he_o do_v not_o use_v it_o idolatrous_o but_o you_o make_v the_o nonconformist_n to_o say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o idolatrous_a worship_n and_o that_o it_o defile_v the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n to_o all_o that_o be_v present_a mr_n parker_n extend_v the_o guilt_n of_o participation_n in_o part_n only_o to_o he_o that_o use_v the_o idolothite_n you_o make_v he_o to_o affirm_v that_o every_o one_o present_a at_o the_o worship_n do_v communicate_v 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