driuen to sue liuerie Further then let vs see in what cases the kinge shall haue annum diem et vastum and in what not The kinge shall not haue annum diem et vastum of clerks coÌ„uict after verdit because hee forfetes no land Like lawe is it of lands in Gauelkinde where the father is hanged but otherwise it is if he be outlawed or abiured for felonie for there the kinge shal haue the yeare daie wast and this appereth 3. 3. E. 3. in Fitz ti corone P. 332. et Prescription P. 50. E. 3. et 8. E. 2. If the husband be atteinted of felonie the kinge shall haue the yeare daye and wast of the laÌ„ds of the wife and yet in the case the lordes shall not haue theyr eschetes But what then the husbaÌ„d might haue done wast and the wife had had no remedie for the same and by the same reason the kinge maye doe as much and this appeareth 3. 3. E. 3. in Fitz ti corone P. 327. E. 3. And also in Bracton in his second boke And also it shoulde there appeare that the wiefe is driuen to sue anouster le main after the death of her husbande If one be arested for felonie brekes the arest so that in the pursuyt of him he is killed because hee woulde not otherwise be taken 3. E. 3. in Fitz ti Corone P. 312. et 290 et 308. the king in this case shal haue the yere day and wast as it appereth 3. E. 3. If a man coÌ„mit felonie and hathe his charter of pardon yet the king shal haue the yeare day wast and the lordes theyr eschetes this appereth 3. E. 3. for the pardoÌ„ doth not restore him but to the lawe For though the kinge would pardon him with words of restitucion yet his grace could not therby restore him to the laÌ„ds holdeÌ„ of other And note that the king shal haue the yere 3. E. 3. in Fitz ti Corone P. 310. day wast of laÌ„ds in ancieÌ„t demesne if it so be that the tenaÌ„t myght haue sold the said lands against the will of the lord as it appereth 3. E. 3. and that notwtstanding that the sayd lands were alwayes vsed to be surrendred by the rodde to passe by surreÌ„der The words of the statute be further Exceptis hominibus quoruÌ„daÌ„ priuilegiatoruÌ„ indâ— ê‘regeÌ„ 46. E. 3. f. 14. 1. H. 6 fo 12. M. 8. H. 4. f. 1 Corone 31. That is as much to say except such as haue Bona et cattalla felonuÌ„ by the kynges graunte for a man can not prescribe to haue Bona et catalla felonuÌ„ as appereth 46. E. 3. 1. H. 7. 8. H. 4. nor none may haue this prerogatiue of yere day wast but only the kinge although hee would claime it by charter froÌ„ the kinge or otherwise as it appereth 3. E. 3. But when the king is seised of it he may coÌ„mit it ouer as appereth by Bracton in his sayd 2. boke But if the land wherof the kinge should haue the yere day and wast be vnder the yerely value of iii s .iiii. d it is vsed to bee remitted for the smallnesse and simplenesse of the thinge as appereth 3. E. 3. 3. E. 3. in Fitz ti Corone P. 327. for it shoulde cost more the suing of it out of the kinges handes than the thing is worth And note the custoÌ„e of Gloc ' comprised in this statut wherby it should appere that notwithstanding any such custome yet the king should haue annuÌ„ et dieÌ„ but not so of laÌ„ds in Gauelkinde as I haue sayd before ¶ Proces to bee sued after the deathe of the kinges tenaunt in chiefe By a statute made in the 33. yere of the late kinge of most famous memorie H. 8. the 22. chapter it is ordeined and prouided amoÌ„ge other things that no person or persons hauing lands or tenemeÌ„ts aboue the yerely value of fiue poundes shal haue or sue any liuerie before inquisitioÌ„ or office fouÌ„d before theschetour or other commissioner or commissioners by vertue of the kinges writ or commission too bee directed out of the kinges chauÌ„cerie or other courtes hauing authoritie to mak suche writes or commissions for suinge of liueries which writs or commissions shal not passe out of the chancerie nor any other courts but by a warrant or bill too bee assigned and subscribed with the handes and names of the master of the kinges wardes and liueries surueiour of his liueries or the attourne and resceiuor of the court of the wardes and liueries or three twoo or one of them to bee directed deliuered to the chanceller of England or to any other chanceler or officer hauiÌ„g power to awarde such writes And if the lands or tenements wherof any inquisition is to be had by vertue of any such writ or commission excede the yerely value of fiue poundes that then such as sue for such writes and commissions shal pay for the seale and writing therof such fees as hath ben accustomed And if the sayd laÌ„ds tenemeÌ„ts wherof any such inquisicions and offices ar to be found by vertue of any such writ or commission excede not the sayde yerely value of v pounde theÌ„ such as shal sue for such writs or commissions shall paye for the seale of euery of them vi d and for the writinge vi d and not aboue This statut doth not set fourth the name of the writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ that shal bee sued howbeit these words that follow that is to sayr for suinge of liueries do somwhat open the minde of the makers of this statute and declare that their meaninge was of the diem clausit and such other writs or coÌ„missions as serue for that purpose and not of euery writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ for so might an office be found by a wroÌ„g writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ which should want mater or be other wise insufficient to make liueries But learne and enquire if after a good writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ sued fourth the office that is found is not sufficient whether the partie shal haue his liueri or not without suing a melius inquirenduÌ„ or a new office because that some parauenture wil say that the words of the statut be performed that is to wite an office or inquisition is found But to that it may be answered and sayd that that it is no office when it is insufficient at least wise toward the partie that should sue liuerie therupon although it be a good office toward the kinge if any thing therin conteined be for his benefit And learne also if the kinges tenant dye seised of landes in diuerse counties whether by force of this statut he shal cause an iÌ„quisitioÌ„ or office to be fouÌ„d in eueri couÌ„tie where the lands lye for so is it vsed to be done vpoÌ„ al general liueries he that sueth his general liuerie otherwise missueth the same and is an intruder vpon the kiÌ„gs possessioÌ„ howbeit peraueÌ„ture you wil say that
if the laÌ„ds excede the yerely value of .xx. marks he must sue a specyal liuerie not a general therfore it makes no mater for the inquisitioÌ„ or office that the words of the statute wil beare it wel enough if there be but one office fouÌ„d But as to that it may be sayd that the meaning of the statute was not so for the kinge can neuer be fulli eÌ„formed of his title vnlesse ther be an office fouÌ„d in euery shere also by finding of seueral offices one record may be better for the kinge then an other whereof his grace may take auaÌ„tage for the best shal be takeÌ„ for the kinge Thus it appereth by statut how that of landes aboue the yereli value of vli inquisicioÌ„ must be made and an office found after the death of the kinges tenant be fore liuerie can be had and that must be by a writ of dieÌ„ clau sit extremum for that is the proper writ that is to be sued for that purpose if any sute be made within the yeare after the kinges tenants death or a special commission in the nature of the writ of diem clausit For vpon a general coÌ„missioÌ„ to enquire generally of all wards no perticular person can haue liuere And if he tarry till after the yere then he caÌ„not pursue any of these but for his remedie must sue a writ called Mandamus or a commission in nature of that writ and therupon to cause an office to be fouÌ„d and so to haue liuerie But if an office be once found by diem clausit and the heier dieth in the kinges ward his heir must sue Deuenerunt no Mandamus although it be after the yere of the death of him that dyed in ward and so is the rule in the register Sumetymes it happeneth that after deliuerie of the writ or commission and before office found theschetor dyeth or is remoued froÌ„ his office in which case then the proces that is awarded to his successor is a writ called Datur nobis intelligi but if office be fouÌ„d before his death or remouing which office is not returned then shall therbe a certiorari awarded to his executors to returne the same For it is a mater of record as sone as the iurrors haue put their seales vnto it notwtstanding it be not returned And note the thawardig of this writ of diem clausit or special coÌ„missioÌ„ is peremptorie to him the sueth for it For if he lese it or be taken froÌ„ him with force he gettes no moe writs or coÌ„missioÌ„s for the lands in that couÌ„tie and this appereth in the new Natura breuiuÌ„ fo 2â—â— Howbeit in 14. E. 4 it is touched by the waye that in such cases he should haue a new writ H. 14. E. 4. so 5. ideo quere But after office ones fouÌ„d by a dieÌ„ clausit or specyal commissioÌ„ as well the kinge partie therby are bouÌ„d as euery other straÌ„ger for somuch laÌ„des as are comprised within the office and neither the kinge ne that partie nor any other shal haue any moe writs or coÌ„missioÌ„s to enquire any further of these lands except it be in such cases as I shal hereafter recite for so the lawe shoulde neuer haue end but newe heires might be founde euery daye by office which were incoÌ„uenient and the king should not knowe to wheÌ„e to make liuerie this appereth .14 E. 4. and 2. et 4. 14. E. 4. f. 5 2. H. 7. f. 2. 4. 4. H. 7. f. 13. H. 7. But where after office found it is surmised for the kinge that his highnes hath a better title than was found for him by the first office whether the mater surmised may stand with the mater fouÌ„d by the first office or not yea although it be mere coÌ„trariaÌ„t or repugnaÌ„t it is not material But in such cases a new writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ shal be awarded As take the case to bee this By the first office it is found the kinges tenaunt in chiefe dyed seised his heir wtin age where in dede hee dyed without heir so that therby the lands ought to haue escheted to the kinge or that he was tenaÌ„t in taile dyed without issue of his body wherby the lands ought to haue reuerted vntoo the kinge in these cases the court shal awarde a new writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ for the kinge Like law is it where the daughter is fouÌ„d heir by office afterward the sonne is borne or where ther is but one daughter found heire by office where there ought to haue ben two fouÌ„d heires or if by the first office one is fouÌ„d heire of ful age which is not heir in dede but an other is heir which is within age In all these cases ther shal be a new writ or coÌ„missioÌ„ awarded Causa qua supra 14. E. 4. f. 5 4. H. 7. f. 13. as it may appere .14 E 4. et 4. H. 7. 12. R. 2 et 30. li. ass yea and a more stroÌ„ger case as it should appere in the new Natura breuium fo 2â—â— fo 2â—2 et f 295. that is to say where the kinge was to haue no benefit at all more then he had by the first office and yet a newe commission was awarded and therfore the case was there the second brother was founde heir by the first office of ful age now the eldest had a commission being also of full age to finde him heir and thervpon had his liuery So is it where 2. be fouÌ„d daughters and heirs to one maÌ„ of certain laÌ„ds where in dede parcel of the said land was geuen to one of the said 2. daughters in fraÌ„k mariage now she that claimed the frank mariage had a specyall coÌ„mission to enquire of the saÌ„e and yet by that second office the king had no benefit ideo quere For this Natura breuiuÌ„ semeth to impugne the bokes before rehersed And like as he may pray a newe writ or coÌ„mission in the cases aboue rehersed before liuerie had euen so may he do in the like cases after liuere had if the liuerie be a general liuerie therupoÌ„ as sone as the title is found the king shal rescise but not wtout a Scire facias because the statut made at Lincoln hath so prouided as I shall open more fully when I come too that place and that in all these aforesayd cases a new diem clausit may be as wel awarded as a new coÌ„mission as it appereth titulo Trauser in Fitz. pl ' 28. anno 29. li. Asss ¶ What thing shal be in the king without office or seasure what not and where by an office only without any seasure or other proces the kinge shal be in possessioÌ„ and where not and where he shal be in possession without an office but not before a seasure and how the kinge may be eÌ„titled by any other recorde as well as by an office and where a man may enter as well vpon the kynges
seisin can not be deliuered out of him vntill suche time an Ouster le maine bee sued as if the king be seysed by office of the lande of any Idiots or for aÌ„nuÌ„ diem vastuÌ„ of lands of any that is attainted in these cases he that shoulde haue these landes after the kynges title determined muste sue an Ouster le maine otherwise yt is where the kyng is not seised of the land but only entitled to the profites as of the landes of him that is outlawed in a personall action or of clerke conuicte or suche like there nede no Ouster le mayne to be sued as appeareth in .8 E. 2. 4. Trauers 28. E. 3. and .9 H. 6. f. 20. and if the landes whiche is seysed into the kynges handes bee holden ioyntlye bye manye yet euery one of them by hymselfe may sue hys Ouster le maine of his owne parte withoute his companions as appeareth in .2 Assise p. 166. H. 4. Lyuerye THe maner of the suing of a generall liuery doth partly appere in the title of Liuerie in the great abridgemeÌ„t of Iustice Fitsherbert A. 12. H. 4. ti Liuerie p. 4. A. 21. R. 2. ti Liuerie p. 5. Wher it is declared that after the heire that was in the kings warde is come to full age then a writ De etate probanda shal be awarded vnto the shirife of the shiere where the said heire was borne to eÌ„quire of his age in which case it is required by the lawe that euerye one that shall passe in that enquest shal be of the age of .xliij. yeares meaning therby that they euery one of them shoulde be of full age at birth of the childe beecause that suche haue better knowledge and remembraunce then other of lesser age haue and that the heire that is in warde enforme the enquest by certaine signes and tokens of the tyme of his birthe as to say that that yeare there was a great tempeste or a greate plague or suche like which signes so geuen in euidence shal be returned by the shiriue as well as the principall mater But whether it bee requisite to haue xij or a lesse number in the sayde enquest or not learn for soome think that any number from two vpwarde will serue beecause the triall is by proues and see the newe Natura breui um fo 136. wher it appereth that this writ of Etate ê“banda was directed to the eschetour of the countie where hee was borne and not to the shiriue Howebeeit note alwayes that theye wheare the lande is shall neuer enquire of this mater vnlesse the birthe and lande weare bothe in one shiere for theye haue enquired of it allredy that is to say when theye dyd fynde the firste offyce Thus when theye haue founde his age that enqueste shall bee returned into the Chauncerie and from thence shal bee awarded a write to the Lorde Keeper of the priuie seale signifying vnto him that the heire is of full age and vppon that a priuie seal shall bee directed to the Chamberlaine of Englande to receiue his homage whiche beynge receiued the sayde lorde Chamberlaine shall certifie the lorde Chaunceller by write of the receipte thereof and then shall the heire haue his liuerie But it seemes that if the heire were neuer in warde but of full age at death of his auncester and so founde by office that thenne hee shall haue liuerie as is declared vppon that office onelye without suynge anye write of Etate probanda for the writtes of liuerie in thys case make no mention of anye Etate probanda as they doe in the other case but if the heire bee withein age and in the kyngs warde and after when he comes to his ful age other landes descende vnto him whiche the kynge allso seisethe by an enqueste that fyndes the heire of full age yet this not withstandynge hee must now sue an Etate probanda vppon bothe offices as appearethe in M. 13. Henrye the fowerthe And the reason of it is M. 13 H. 4. beecause the fyndynge of hym of full age is but as voide as longe as there is a recorde whiche founde hym within age to the whiche record the kynge mighte cleaue vnto as the best recorde that makethe for hym vntyll suche tyme the contrarie thereof be proued bye the wryte of Etate probanda Howebeeit at this day the statut made Anno. 33. H. 8. hath much abridged the fees that haue bene geuen vpon the sute of a general liuerie namely for liueries to be sued of clere yearely value of v. li. or vnder and that it may be sued without any office to be founde But I do not see that the maner of the sute is in any other point altered or changed by the sayd statute but it remaines as it did before And that statute also geueth men licence to sue a generall liuerie of landes not excedinge the cleare yerelye value of .xx. li. whereby I see no let but that a man may sue his generall liuerie also for landes aboue the yerely value of xx li. as he might haue done before the makynge thereof for this statute is not contrarie to anye lawe that was before in that pointe sauinge that a general lyue uerie vnder the value of .xx. li. can not passe or be sued yf he haue not firste his warrant from the maister of the kynges wardes and liueries surueyours atturneys and generall receiuour or three of them signed and subscribed with their names and hands Thus may you see the maner of the suing forth of a generall liuerie which liuerie may not be sued by parcelles as I haue sayde before but entierlye that is to say of all the landes the kinge is or ought to be seised of in his right that sues the liuerie And therefore if the heyre sue liuery but of parcell of that that is founde by office or yf the auncester we are seised of other landes than are fouÌ„d bye office yf the heire sue his generall lyuerie beefore an offyce thereof founde omittinge them in the liuerye the lyuery is missued T. 12. R. 2.44 E. 3. f. 1â— et 25. 2. H. 7. f. 2. as appereth in .12 R. 2. 44 E. 3. 2. H. 7. and therefore it beehoues the heire beefore hee sue his lyuerye to cause an office to bee foynde in euerye sheere where hys auncester hadde anye landes And this entier lyuerye is intended as well of landes holden of other lordes beinge in the kinges handes as of the landes that are holden of the kinge and therefore if a manne holde of the king in chiefe by knightes seruice and of other lordes in socage and die his heir being a daughter within the age of xiiii yeres in this case when the sayd daughter cometh of the age of xiiii yeres she getteth no liuerie of the lands holden in socage but must tarry till she be of the age of xvi yeres that she may then sue liuerie of the whole as appereth .35 H. 6.
record The wordes of the statute be further Et si se maritauerint sine licentia regis tunc rex capiet in manuÌ„ suaÌ„ nomine districtionis oÌ„nes terras et tenÌ„ta quae de eo teneÌ„t in doteÌ„ c. These words be knit in a copulatife to the former wordes contained wtin this chapter that is to saie wher she hath demaÌ„ded dower and is sworne not to marie but yf she will neuer demauÌ„d dower of the lands holden in Capite she may marie wher she wil for the wordes of the statute be quod assignabit viduis dotem si vidue illi voluerint so thinkes Iustice Fitzherbert in his Natura breuium fo 17â— How be it by the boke in .40 40. Li. Ass in Fitz ti gard 40. r. libro Ass it apereth that the wife neuer demaunded dower and yet had alowance of it and did marie also wtout license and yet paied no fine therfore the case was The kings tenant in taile in chiefe made a feffement by licence and toke estate again to him to his wife and died the wife takes an other husband and dies after whose deth the auncient estate taile being found by office the license was holden void because the king was discâ—ued therin and the second baron driuen to aunswere for the mene profets of ii partes of the laÌ„d but not for the third part because she was endowable quod nota A womaÌ„ tenant in dower of no mans assignement some there thought she should forfet her dower because she was partie to the disceit Howebeit this case semeth not to be properlye wtin the coÌ„pas of this statute Also Fitzherbert in the said Natura breuiuÌ„ thinketh that wher the king hath vsed to graunt to other the mariage of his widowes that a composicion with the grantee made for the same whether it be made by the wife or the husbaÌ„d is as good as if it were made with the kinge yet can not the graÌ„tee in such case compell her to marie for the should be contrarie to the statute of Magna carta cap. 7. which wil the she shal not bee constrained to mary by distres but if she will she maie liue sole Howbeit at this daye by the statute of .32 H. 8. cap. 46. the composicion is geuen to the master of the kings wardes liueries with iii. of the couÌ„cel of the said court And likewise aucthoritie is geuen to theÌ„ wher the kinges widowes mary theÌ„ selues wtout license to tax a resonable fyne by their discrecioÌ„s acording to the statute of prerog regis which statute plainlie setteth furth what hath bene vsed to be doon in such cases that is to saie the value of her dower by one yere therw t agrees the new Natura breuiuÌ„ fo 174. And for the fine the king shall sease all the lands tenemeÌ„ts so holden in dower as it aperes by the letter of the statute How beit the Register geueth that the king may sese aswell the land of the husband as of the wife because the mariage is a wrong doon to the kinge but the statute is coÌ„trarie to that therfore Fitzherbert in the said Natura breuiuÌ„ fo 1â—â— thinkes it to be no lawe For as wel might the lands that the woman hath of her inheritaÌ„ce be theÌ„ sesed wherfore no other land ought to be sesid then that she holdeth in dower as it aperes in the said Natura breuium fo 2â—â— And lerne whether the womaÌ„ obtaining dower at the haÌ„ds of the comittee or of the heire of lands holden in capite without making any othe may marie or not without liceÌ„se as me semeth she can not for as sone as she is eÌ„dowed of those laÌ„ds she is the kings tenant not tenaÌ„t to the heir which is in the reuercioÌ„ for if a trespas be done vpoÌ„ the land she shall haue a writ out of the chaÌ„cerie the one such hath entred vpon the kinges possessioÌ„ the auowrie to be made by the king resteth onlie vpoÌ„ her so is the opinioÌ„ of vvood in .1 H. 7. And yet the reuercioÌ„ is in the heier onlie for if she do wast 1. H. 7. fol 3. the heier shall ponish her for it not the kinge TheÌ„ further let vs se of what force this dower is wheÌ„ it is made in the chaÌ„cery how she shal be admesured in the saÌ„e if it be to grete for if it be to litle ther is no remedie for her but to staÌ„d to her owne harmes if she in the chaÌ„cerie once did accept it not forciÌ„g whether she were theÌ„ wtin age or of ful age as it maie apere in 18. E. 3. 29. 18 E. 3. The dowment in the chauncerie is of this force that whether it be by right or by wrong it can not be defeted by waie of plea without a sute made in the chauncerie for the defeting therof 17. E. 3. f. 71. M. 31. E. 3 in Fitz. ti Dovver P. 128. as it apereth iÌ„ the .17 .31 E. 3. And therfore in a verie strong case one doth trauerse the office which is in the chancerie by reason the land is holden of him by knightes seruice and not of the king and hath an ouster le main vna cuÌ„ exitibus yet if she were endowed before in the chancerie vpoÌ„ the office her dower remayneth vndefeted notwtstanding this trauerse and ouster le main vntil an other sute be made in the chauncerie for the defeting of the same Howbeit in this case if the dower be to much the lord that tended the trauers maie haue a writ of admesurement at the comon lawe and so cause it to be admesured wtout suing to the king for the saÌ„e For it is no losse to his highnes though she be admesured seing the land is not holden of of him as it apereth 7 R. 2. 7. R. 2. l Fitz ti Admesur P. 4. and there it is agreed that the heir shall haue a writ of admesurement of assinement of dovver made by his auncestor quere tamen But the abatour shal not haue a writ of admesurement nor garden en fait of assinement made bye garden endroit nor if the heir within age the garden of his heire shall not haue a writ of admesurement But take the case to be that a woman is endowed in the chancerie the rest of the land there remaininge still in the kinges handes yf it be surmised by the heir or any other for the king that the land assined to the wife is not extended to the verie value but that it is more in value then it is extended for now vpoÌ„ this surmise there shal be a newe extente made which beinge returned in to the chancery a Scire facias shal be awarded against the woman and if she be warned and come not or apere and saie nothing she shal be newlie endowed as it is said in Natura breuium fo 265. Then let vs see farther at what
possession as any other By a statute made the .33 yere of the late kinge of famous memorie H. 8. the 20. chapter it is among other things prouided that if any person or persons shal be attainted of hye treson by the course of the comon lawes or statutes of this realme that in euery such case euery suche attainder by the cōmon law shal be of as good strength value force and effect as if it had ben done by authorite of parliament that the kinges maiestye his heires and successors shall haue as much benefit auātage by such attainder as well of vses rights entres cōdicions as possessions reuercions remainders and all other things as if it had ben done and declared by autoritie of parliamēt and shal be demed and a iudged in actuall and reall possessiō of the lands tenemēts hereditamēts vses goods cattals all other things of the offēdors so attaīted which his highnes ought lawfulli to haue and which they so being attainted ought or might lawfulli lose and forfait if the attainder had ben done by authorite of parliamēt without any office or inquisicion to be founde of the same any law statut or vse of the realme to the cōtrarye therof mani wise notwtstādīg This statut maks it clere without questiō that in cases of hye treson the lāds of him that is attainted are in the kinge biand by without any office But for other attainder it remaines as it was at the comō Law and therfore lerne if one which holdeth of the king be attainted of petit treson or felonie whether in this case by thatainder his lands be in the king without office and me semeth by attaīder and death together they should be in the kinge in law howbeit not in dede vntill suche time his highnes seise themby his officer or that an office bee therof foūd for by thattainder the lands are forfaited to the kinge by mater of record and then when the partie dyeth either the frehold must be in suspence or els aiudged in the king in lawe for he that was seised hath corrupted his blood and is dead without heir and therfore his highnes is beecome owner thereof in lawe and a possession in lawe vested in him of the same landes which his highnes at his will and pleasure may make a possessiō in dede as sōe as he wil take vpon him knowledge of the sayd landes and sease them by his officer And therfore the booke is agred 20. E. 4. 20. E. 4. so 10 that if he that is attaynted be seised of auowsōs appendaūt as sōe as the church becometh voide the king may presēt wtout any office which proues that the kinge by thattainder was patron before any office found or els how could his highnes present and I see no differēce betwene lāds auousōs in this case for auouson is not so transitorie toward the kinge but that he mai take the presentment therof at all times whē he will quia nullum tēpus ei occurrit Howbeit lerne what the law will in this case for many mē are of the contrarie opinion And see the boke .4 E. 4. cōcernīg this mater And so note what is sayd of a possession in law 4. E. 4. 21. for as I take it there may be a possession in law in the kinge as well as a possessiō in dede which possession in law is euer without office or any other mater of record as whē the possessiō is cast vpō his highnes by a discēt reuerter remaīder or escheit or in title of his seignorie or prerogatiue as for wardship primer seisī or for the custodie of the tēporalties of a bishop during the time that the see is vacant in all these cases without any office or other mater of record here is a possession in law vested in the kings highnes that is to say for that that doth descēd reuert remain or eschet the freholde is cast vpon him in lawe as it should be vpon a comon person in the like case or els the frehold should be in suspence which may not be of the rest the possession in law of a cattell is in his highnes in right of his seignorie which his highnes at his will and pleasure may make a possession in dede by entre or seasure but not to make it a possession in dede by his graunt because there is a statute made in the 18. yeare of H. 6. ca. 6. to the let therof which prouideth that all letters patents made of lāds tenements before office foūd and returned or within one month after but onely too him that tendethe his trauerse shal bee voyde This statute extdes onely to landes and tenementes therfore of the bodie of his warde his highnes may make a graunt notwithstandinge this statute as me semeth for that is neither lād ne tenemēt also notwithstādinge that this statute doth restraine the graunting of the lāds tenemēts yet the seisin therof remaines and is in the kinge as it was by order of the comon lawe which is as I sayd before in his highnes in lawe although not in dede vntil such time as he hath made a seasyn or an entree by his eschetour or a graunt therof which wayethe both to a seasure and a graunt in such cases where the graunte maye bee goode and not restrained by statute or vntill such time an office therof be found For an office that entitleth the kinge to the possession is sufficient by it selfe without any seiser or entre of the eschetour to make a possession in deede in the kinge if it be so that the possession were vacant when the office was founde But if the possession were not vacāt but an other thā he in whose right the kinge seiseth was tenant therof at the time of the findinge of the office then must the kinge entre or sese by his officer before the possession in deede shal bee iudged in him yea and if his highnes seise not by the space of a yeare and a daye after the findinge of the office then maye be not seise without a Scire facias to bee pursued agaīst him that is tenāt therof 9. H. 7. f. 2. 7 49. E. 3. f. 22. 20. E. 4. f. 10. Estopel 255. Trauers 50. 32. Ass P. 32. 29. Ass P. 30. 21. H. 7 f. 7. P. 21. E. 4 f. 1 Gard. P. 105 And of those maters you may see bokes 9 H. 7. 49. E. 3. 20. et 21. E. 4. 4. E. 2. 10. H. 4. 21. H. 7. 29. et 32. li. ass But heruppon is there a distinction to be made whether that that the king is ētitled vnto by office be a thinge manuell and wherof profit maye bee taken forthwith after the findinge of the office or not For if it bee such a thinge as is not manuel and wherof there is no profite too bee taken forthwith vntill such time it falleth in that case althoughe the king be in possession of the right of