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A62481 The three countrey-mens English answers to the clergy-mens Latine charges. Or, the lay-mens plain English, in answer to the unknown language of the pretended spiritual court at Winton Unto which is added a short relation of the dealings of Iohn Hayes priest with two of them after they were excommunicated. Also twenty four queries propounded to be answered by those that call themselves spiritual men. Gearle, Edmund, d. 1672. 1664 (1664) Wing T1085; ESTC R222199 12,394 16

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THE Three Countrey-mens English ANSWERS TO THE Clergy-mens Latine CHARGES OR The Lay-mens plain ENGLISH in answer to the unknown Language of the pretended Spiritual Court at Winton Unto which is added a short Relation of the dealings of Iohn Hayes Priest with two of them after they were excommunicated Also twenty four Queries propounded to be answered by those that call themselves Spiritual men They are waxen fat and shining they do overpass the deeds of the wicked they execute no judgement no not the judgement of the fatherlesse Jer. 5. 28. Wo unto them that are mighty to drink wine and to them that are strong to pour in strong drink which justifie the wicked for a reward c. Isa 5. 22 23. Printed in the Year 1664. IN the name of God Amen We Mo●deford Bramstone Knight c. do on the complaint of Henry Burrat and Alexander Faithful Guardians of the Parish Church of lower Wallop within the Diocess of Winton as followeth Answer IT is written Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain these things following are not written in the name of God nor givenforth from his spirit though his name be mentioned but are rather found to proceed from that which oppresseth and resisteth the spirit of God and persecuteth his servants there being untruth written therein and wherefore is it that you force them to complaint and then herein as it were complain of them for complaining but can you say that Henry Burret and Alex. Faithful are made Guardians or Overseers by the Holy Ghost to guard your Temple made with hands First That thou Edmond Gearle art and hast been of the Parish of nether Wallop in the Diocess of Winton and of right subject to the Court c. Answ Of right I now belong to God whose name I see is prophaned by such as are called spiritual men and of right my soul belongs to Christ the Bishop thereof who is the power of God which is the highest power to which every soul is to be subject he being exalted at the Fathers right hand far above all principalities and powers Eph. 1. 20. 21. and in conscience to the Lord I am ready to submit unto the ordinance of men yea though they be wicked men that prophane the name of God 2. Also That the foresaid Henry Burret and Alex. Faithfull in the Moneths of March April May June July August September October November December January February and March in the years of our Lord 1659. 1660. 1661. and March April May June July August September in the years of our Lord 1662. now going on and at present are Guardians of the Parish Church of lower Wallop and are lawfully elected admitted and sworn c. Answ Whereas it is said they are lawfully elected and admitted by what Law was it they were elected so long since as three years and a half and if by lawful is meant humane or temporal then how comes it to passe that men now by temporal matter are admitted into spiritual office or by that which is humane or temporal made Guardians over or fitted to guard that which is spiritual or must the temporal oversee the fpiritual or else is the Church they guard temporal also If it be why then do spiritual men uphold a temporal Church But if by lawful elected is meant divine or spiritual then let themselves declare what divine power they received from God or men when they were elected and let it be proved by what divine or spiritual Law of God or Christ they were admitted and sworn and when had any of the Apostles or true Ministers any men sworn or swearers to guard their Churches 3. Also that all and singulaer lands messuages tenements within any parish within the Diocesse of Winton aforesaid are liable and subject to pay towards the repairing of the parish Church when there shall be occasion to repair the same according to the value of the same lands and tenements c. Answ These are words wayes and things of this world which passeth away and of the earth that waxeth old as if it proceeded from earthly minded men who themselves are liable to covetousnesse by ambition and vigour force parishioners to be liable to such payments taxes and cruelties that they already begin to be weary thereof and these lines have not the least shew of any Scripture authority nor Apostolical example neither doth this prove that such as are not of the world as Christ is not of the world but are followers of him that they ought to pay towards the repairing of a house made with hands and yet be called a Church which is another thing then that for which Christ shed his bloud Acts 20. 28. 4. Also that in the years or moneths aforesaid or in some of those years or moneths in the time of the rate or tax made thou Edmond Gearle didst have hold and occupy a certain message or tenement with certain lands to the same belonging and appertaining within the parish of lower Wallop foresaid and thou wert said and commonly reported to be the possessour and occupier of the said message or tenement and lands aforesaid Answ This is written more like the critical subtil Lawyers such as Christ cried wo against who took away the key of Knowledge Luke 11. 52. As you keep knowledge from our eyes and not like men endued with the Spirit of God though at first you take his name in your mouths and then go on like them tha● did so and hated to be reformed But by your words it was sometime or never that I did possesse something or nothing and it was so or else said or reported to be so which words opene●h like a wide mouth but brings forth little or nothing but if it be so that once or never I did possess a tenement or piece of land and that your tax was assessed upon the same then not upon my person therefore you should have sought it from the land according to your own way whilst it was in my possession and not upon my person now it is not in my possession 5. Also that in the year of our Lord 1659. and in the moneths in the same year or in some or one of them the parish Church of lower Wallop aforesaid was much ruinated and out of repair in the walls and tower seats and ornaments and other things to the same parish Church belonging and appertaining and this was and is true and manifest Answ Then it seems your buildings have been once going down and so out of repair already so that I perceive it is possible your buildings may decay and if so then at last fall and come to an end but now you appear like them that said The bricks are fallen down but we will build with hewen stone But take you heed least you weave the Spiders web and hasten Gods wrath against your selves and then he brings down your high Towers and makes your walls like a
tottering hedge and remove your seats though you have set your nests on high and exalted your selves above the stars of God like those that act spiritual wickednesse in high places from the which when the Lord God brings you down and rewards you according to your works which he will surely do then shall you know that this is true and manifest 6. Also that in the year and moneths and in the year of our Lord 1659. aforesaid and in the moneths of the same year in the time of the rate and tax making the aforesaid Henry Burret and Alexander Faithful guardians c. had not within their hands or possessions neither were to receive or have any rents or lands or tenements to the same Church belonging or appertaining or any other means to repair or amend the same parish Church otherwise then by m●king and imposing a rate and tax on themselves and other Parishioners and inhabitants of the same Parish limits and precincts of the same Parish and that this is true and manifest c. Answ There you have as it was told a large story how a rate or tax was made but here is not one word of the Law of God nor of the Gospel of his Son nor so much as three words of Scripture language but non-sence put in the stead thereof as though there were both years and moneths in the year 1659. and if you have neither Rents Lands Tenements nor any other means to uphold your Church walls from going down nor to repair the ruinations thereof but what you get by force and violence like Hophni and Phinias then that is the ready way to make all people weary both of you and your Church too and this is true and may come at last to be manifefl 7. Also that in the aforesaid year 1659. in the moneths in the same year or in one of them c. the Guardians Parishoners and Inhabitants of the Parish of lower Wallop aforesaid according to forewarning at certain dayes or a certain day and place c. or the greatest part of them came together and with unanimous assent and consent did tax and impose Rates and Taxes in and upon all Parishoners Inhabitants and other Messages Lands or Tenements within the Parish aforesaid and within the limits and precincts of the same Parish the holders and occupiers of the same according to the value of the Messages Lands and Tenements of every person for and toward the repairation and amendment of the defects of the faid Church and ornaments and other things belonging to the same Church and amongst other Parishoners and Inhabitants of the said Parish thee the aforesaid Edmond Gearle for a Message or Tenement and Lands by thee within the Parish aforesaid limits and precincts c. in the year and moneths c. held possessed and occupied and according to the quantity quality and value of the same did rightfully and lawfully tax the summe of two shillings and two pence to be paid to the Guardians aforesaid for and towards the repairation and amendment of the defects of the said Church and ornaments and other appurtenances to the said Church belonging and this is true and manifested c. Answ Herein you shew again in what year but very doubtfully what moneth the Tax was made and how it came to be but not the least example thereof from any of the Ministers of Christ though you do mention it is for and towards the repairations and amendments of the defects of your Church and the ornaments belonging to the same whereby it seems your called spiritual men are seeking to repair the defects of a temporal Church for your Church and the ornaments thereof are things that are seen and the Apostle saith the things that are seen are temporal such things will wax old decay and at last may vanish away as better things then them did and it seems your Church ornaments are defective and the Church it self defective and it may be the upholders thereof defective and the worship defective and the faith vain and then what shall we do there or why should we pay mony to have such defective stuffe renewed and it may be your upholding such defective stuffe is not only defective but also to us destructive or hurtful both in body soul and state which nothing can be so to us that is truely spiritual of God but that this Tax of two shillings two pence to be paid by me towards the repairing of the defective Church is rightfully according to any Gospel order imposed upon me or lawfully according to any Levitical Law assessed upon the Lands I then held according to any Scripture direction I do deny neither do I believe that most of the Parishioners were together at the seasing of this Tax neither can you prove the same and therefore this is false and not manifest 8. Also that after the rate made Tax or Imposition as abovesaid c. all the Parishioners and Inhabitants of the Parish aforesaid and other Proprietours Possessours and Occupiers of Messages Lands and Tenements within the said Parish limits and precincts or the major part of them have paid or are ready to pay the foresaid Guardians the Rates and Taxes upon them Imposed notwithstanding they have been disswaded from paying the same by thee and others c. Answ As for the major part paying the said rates or tax the major part go the broad way which leads to destruction who being in the worlds nature follow their blind leaders like weary horses under their heavy burthens notwithstanding they see their Teachers reel to and fro in the matter of their worship like the waves of the Sea and stagger about the manner thereof like drunken men and cast off their professions like serpents and change themselves in other habits like Taylors and into other colours shews and fashions like Camelions and turn with the times like the wind and change every season like the Moon and conform to any thing like time-servers yet not so much as transform themselves into the likenesse of the true Apostles of Christ neither do they bear the image or shadow thereof but if most of the Parishioners aforesaid have paid your Tax I question not but they had rather kept their money some of them to relieve their Families and some out of saving or covetousnesse and it may be some of them had as willingly have gone to the Ale-house with it so little zeal may fome of this major part have towards your defective Church and some that did pay it might pay because you rule with such force and cruelty over them that they dare not do otherwise and so those are not chearful givers nor willing payers and so you have not much to boast therein and their souls having so little benefit by that decayed and defective Church that they have several sufficient reasons in themselves to disswade them not to pay without being perswaded thereunto by me and others 9. Also that