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B12021 An olde thrift nevvly reuiued VVherein is declared the manner of planting, preserving, and husbanding yong trees of diuers kindes for timber and fuell. And of sowing acornes, chesnuts, beech-mast, the seedes of elmes, ashen-keyes, &c. With the commodities and discommodities of inclosing decayed forrests, commons, and waste grounds. And also the vse of a small portable instrument for measuring of board, and the solid content and height of any tree standing. Discoursed in a dialogue betweene a surueyour, woodward, gentleman, and a farmer. Diuided into foure parts, by R.C. Churche, Rooke.; R. C. (Robert Chambers), fl. 1612, attributed name. aut; Churton, R., attributed name. 1612 (1612) STC 4923; ESTC S107648 77,929 121

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we must not iustifie our owne errors by other mens misdemeanours but those Surueyours would I haue giue ouer Surueying and séeke to bee entertained into the societie of those idl● Catchpoles you spake off euen now and if I saw cause I could instance such a one but I will be sparing therein and onely tell you that the manner of his Surueyes were alwayes vpon Tenants reports and taking some notes out of their Leases and Coppies and giuing of the Iurie certaine Articles in charge to be enquired of Pe. But did he not also by Instrument and Cheine as commonly you doe Suruey and measure the ground Sur. No for indéede hee knew not the vse of any Surueying Instrument Pe. But doe you thinke the Tenants would or could truely deliuer their knowledge herein concerning the qualitie quantitie and value of their Land with the rest of the particulars Sur. Truely I thinke no though euery man in honestie is bound vpon Oath to tell the truth of any thing when he is lawfully demaunded thereof as néere as he can yet for that they conceiued these questions néerely concerued their estates and for that also they law the Surueyour to bee vnexperienced in that kind of measuring and duely Surueying of lands it is to be imagined that they would somewhat dissemble with him therein and acquainte him with no more then ordinarie and so altogether vpon the tenants reports aswell for the quantitie and qualitie as value of their land he would conclude and at his good leisure make vp his bookes Per. This is the strangest kinde of Surueying that euer I heard of but would he then vpon his credit giue vp this Suruey to the Lord of the Manor Sur. Yes that he would according to the Tenants reports by oath and diuers hath he done in this kinde Per. But I pray if the Lord sell or let this Manor do you not thinke according to that Suruey but that he should be a great looser thereby Sur. Yes there is no doubt but that he must loose much thereby but I trow there is no man so vnaduised that will sell or let land in th●se daies after such a fashion but will make a more precise course by admeasurement performed by a skilfull man in that facultie Ien. And I pray why may not one buy or sell land as certainly by knowing what Cattle a Ferme or Demaines will kéepe as also how many load of hay such a Meadow will yéeld vpon euery acre as by all your nice tricks of measuring Sur. You say well it is a good meanes in generall to know the value of any land but yet how shall the Lord or buyer thereof who dwel farre remote from it know certainly how many cattle it will kéepe If you say by his Baylife commonly he being his Tenant and dwelling in the same Lordship will for his owne good imbrace the true value of these demeasne because the goodnesse of his owne farme shall the lesse be discerued if you say by the report of the countrey they commonly faile in their estimation as well in the quantitie and qualitie of the ground as also in the number of cattle what it will kéepe and neither shall the Lord if he be a stranger to this Demeanes receiue any better satisfaction although he take paines to enquire thereof Who are most fitt●est likely to aduertise any Lord the true estate of his land himselfe So that there is no better way for this Lord or purchaser to know the true value of this land then onely to employ an honest and iudicious Surueyor therein who besides his art of platting the ground and fairely setting forth in a Mappe and knowing the quantitie of acres will also vse his best iudgement and experience to discerne the qualitie as well for goodnesse as badnesse of the soyle as whether it be fittest for arable pasture meadow or woodland together with buts and bounds and euery thing else as it lieth in due proportion all which compared together with the reports and aduertisements that he may learne in the time of his being there I thinke he may then giue more full satisfaction as well to the eye as iudgement of him who is owner thereof or shall buy it Per. You say true For my selfe being of some small ●euenew in land I haue two or three of my Manors surueyed and the plots of them fairely set forth in colours vpon Vellem distinctly sp●●ifying which is meadow pasture arable and woodland with the quantitie qualitie and value thereof with euerie other thing there fitting to be noted which I finde to be a great satisfaction pleasure and ●ase to me especially when I am to let any of those Farmes or Tenements in any the said M●●or● because they are farre remote from the place I dwell But whether now do we range You promised to speake somewhat of the difference of trées and what grounds were most apt for them to prosper in therefore I pray leaue off these discourses vntill some other time and begin now your promise Sur. Sir most willingly you remember then what I haue spoken concerning the manner and time to be obserued as well in planting of Trees for Timber and husbanding the ground as also in making special choice of the Plant and the care of weeding and trimming them afterwards vntill they are growne to the age of thrée or foure yeares which remembred I will now discharge my promise in declaring briefly to you the nature and sorts of certaine trees for fuell and building which ordinarily do grow in England and what ground soyle euerie one delighteth most in for their better and larger prospering to the end that those who take pleasure in this practise may not altogether be deluded and frustrate of their paines and expectation but may in the end reape some profit thereby I told you then that before you resolue to plant two things are to be considered of namely the soyle where you intend to plant and the soile where the plant hath formerly grown for that trée which groweth vpon a drie ground and hot soyle must not be planted in a moyst or cold go●ud so contrariwise that tree which groweth in a watry soile be not planted vpon hils or drie barren groundes least by planting them in a soyle contrarie to the nature and condition of the plant all cost profit be lost therby First therefore Two sorts of Trees you shal vnderstand that there may be said to be in general two sortes of trees that is waterie trées or trées delighting Watery trees ●and in moist waterie soyles and land trees or trées which grow vpon drie and firme land Wood. Indéed it is probable that trées will hardly prosper but in a ground well corresponding with their nature and propertie but I pray what experience is there hereof Sur. I will first satisfie you by the experience of trees which commonly are called water trées as namely Aller Withi● Aspe Birch c. which
Againe if other men and those perhaps your neighbours should out of malice as many do informe your Lord that your Farme were better worth by twentie pounds the yeare than it is whereby the Lord perhaps somewhat too couetous to aduance his own thrift is drawne by their reports to prize it accordingly and hereupon he employeth a man of good sufficiencie both in skill and honestie to suruey it this man vpon the surueying of euerie particular hereof certifieth the Lord in an vpright conscience that this your neighbours information was false and grounded altogether vpon malice and spléene if this then be so as commonly it is it cannot be called terrible dealing in the Surueyor but good and vpright iustice and who then may be iustly said to be a shroade and terrible man this your malitious neighbour or the honest Surueyor And this haue I certainely knowne by experience that vpon surueying of a Manor wherein I haue had power and authoritie from the Lord both to set and sell lands during which time diuers men haue come to me to deale for them by way of hiring and buying wherein I haue found such apparant malice as they would not onely in priuat importune me to outbid each other but also euen publikely and that with great earnestnesse affirme the same and what then should I doe but according to the trust reposed in me informe the Lord thereof and why also should not the Lord without any imputation of racking his T●nants take what willingly is offered him And truly I must néedes say this of most Tenants that by ●eason of this gréedinesse and spléene one against the other of hyring and buying land they are more their owne enemies Tenants are most their own enemies than is either the Surueyor or their Landlord so that hither vnto I sée no shroade or terrible dealing in the Surueyor yet I will not denie but that there may be some such officious men as you speake of who account themselues skilfull Surueyors and who also to win a reputation in the world will séeme to estimate land so immeasurably déere as there is no possibilitie the Lord should euer get that rate for it Others there may also bee who doe value land at so meane a price as the Lord is greatly preiudiced thereby which is a lamentable thing and much detriment commeth to the buyer as seller thereof and great pitie it is that there is no redresse therefore Neither is it possible for a Surueyor to value What belongeth to a skilfull Surueyor lands truly except he know the Tenure Rents Customes Seruices Reprises and haue some vnderstanding in the law and also he must be very iudicious in the qualitie and quantitie of the land or else his error must néedes bee great Therefore I would wish all Surueyors to bee verie carefull in this important matter of Suruey which should with great iudgement indifferencie be managed betwéene the Lord and Tenant And now I trust I haue well satisfied you in these few words Ien. Well Sir I am content for this present to take your spéeches for payment but I trust before we depart to make you confesse your owne shroade and terrible doings Sur. If you can doe that iustly let me then be proclaimed not onely shroade and terrible but also dishonest and trea●herous Wood. Master Peregrine our Farmer here is too contentious and cholericke I pray let this idle controuersie be ended vntill some other time and let vs proceede in our former discourse of planting wood Therefore Sir we must entreat you to beare with this honest Farmers imperfection for it is likely hee speaketh according as hee hath found by some such officious men you spake of euen now who haue certified the value and goodnesse of his Farme to be much better than the rent he now payeth and therefore I pray haue patience and let vs continue our subiect of Planting Sur. Most willingly if it will please this angrie Farmer to haue patience and not to interrupt me I will willingly frame my selfe to a peaceable discourse and would be glad to satisfie him in any thing I can and therefore speake fréely if you conceiue any doubt And now to our planting againe Next after you haue thus planted your trées and that they are well and firmely setled in the ground the whole Summer and Winter then towards the Spring you must begin to trimme and husband them which is a speciall helpe and Dressing and husbanding of young trees comfort to young trées for their better prospering if it bee done in conuenient and due time for the more they are trimmed and dressed the more will they prosper and grow and especially the first thrée or foure yeares they must bee most carefully and that twice in the yeare dressed and trimmed somewhat like vnto your Hoppe grounds I meane for the wel husbanding of the mould and howghing vp of the wéeds the not doing whereof would endanger their destruction and that about the middest of Aprill when they begin to put forth their buds and then againe towards the end of Iune and this must be done as néere as you can after some raynie weather and not in hot or drie weather because the earth being then drie and turned downeward towards the rootes it must néeds be that those clods of earth will lye hollow and not close vpon the root so that for want of earth and moisture the plants must of force die which to the contrarie being digged in moist weather the earth will then lye more néer● and firme to the root and the water that falleth will the rather more easily enter vnto it which nourishment plants greatly desire And the chiefest labour about young trées that are newly planted is to kéepe the ground cleane from wéedes which if they be suffered to grow they will in such Weeding is necessarie for the Spring sort take away the sappe and heart of the ground from the plants as it will much hinder them from growing to that handsome and full forme as otherwise they would be and perhaps proue to be wind shaken and galled trées by reason they want that good nourishment as they expect and as is daily séene in Hoppe grounds which except they be well and orderly husbanded in opening the hils putting good moul● vpon the roots and cleane kept from wéedes you are like to haue but bad Hoppes And so will it proue in these plants that being orderly husbanded as aforesaid in due and seasonable times you shall find the profit double by the encrease of the stemme and branches so that then one of the greatest cares is after their planting especially if they be very young and small plants to kéepe them cleane from wéeds for foure or fiue yeares for if they be choaked or smothered by them how possibly can they prosper Wood. This must néedes be a most excellent course and manner of planting onely that the charge thereof will somewhat dismay men from entring