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A89437 My Lord of Pembrokes speech to His Maiesty, concerning the treaty: vpon the commissioners arrivall at Newport, in the Isle of Wight, Saturday Sept. 16. An Dom. 1648. / Taken verbatim by Michael Oldsworth. Pembroke, Philip Herbert, Earl of, 1584-1650.; Oldisworth, Michael, 1591-1654? 1648 (1648) Wing M3169A; ESTC R202960 3,274 8

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MY LORD OF PEMBROKES SPEECH TO HIS MAIESTY CONCERNING THE TREATY Vpon the Commissioners arrivall at Newport in the Isle of Wight Saturday Sept. 16. An. Dom. 1648. taken verbatim by Michael Oldsworth Printed in the Yeare 1648. My Lord of Pembrokes Speech to His Majesty c. May it please your Majesty WEE are once more sent by the Parliament of England to Treat with you concerning the settlement of a safe and well grounded peace but as God shall judge me I feare to as little purpose it will prove as that at Vxbridge or Hampton-Court yet because of the clamours of the people wee are resolved once more to Treat with you yet for all wee Treat wee would have you thinke that wee scorne to intreat wee are in a better condition then so Dam me were the rest in my minde there should not want much Treating every man hath not the gift of Treating no more have I and by-God I thinke the Propositions are able enough to Treat for themselves and therefore your Majesty may save the labour of Treating and signe them which if you will so if not so againe wee must returne from the place from whence wee came and you againe to Carisbroke Castle Your Majesty cannot say but you are in Freedome Safety and Honour and have your servants about you and therefore wee suddainly expect your Answer Dam me the Kingdome must not be remed for a King wee may have more Kings but wee can have no more such Kingdomes and if your Majesty will still bee an Enemy to the Kingdome the Kingdome must be an Enemy to You and may and will depose You or dispose of You whom they have made their Steward at their pleasure and then elect another You cannot expect the Kingdome to be so tame and cowardly as to let you strike them and they not turne againe nor our selves so simple and foolish but upon very good conditions to assist and bring in the Kingdomes Steward or Vice-Roy to fight with strike and conquer it selfe Dam me I cannot imagine that the Vice-Roy should be above the Roy nor that Rex should have any other sense then to Rule not Raigne Is a People for a King or a King for a People What a Pox are wee blinde that wee cannot understand this My Lords pray resolve me whether is the meanes or the end King Is not the people Supreame doe they not make a King and have they not power to marre a King Whether is Physick or health King I say REX is Ruler not King and so by REX wee all are Kings or none are Kings If Rulers be unruly pray who must Rule them must not the most powerfull and pray who is more powerfull then the People that have so many hands Therefore in my judgement a King in a Kingdome is no other then a Lord Mayor of a City the Mayor is by REX King of the City in respect of all subordinates these are only Titles and no more Damme I know I speake against my selfe for I write PHILIP Earle of PEMBROKE and if I take up Armes and fight against PEMBROKE and rob and kill them of PEMBROKE may not the People of PEMBROKE resist me and am not I a Rebell and Traytour to them The Lord Mayor is by REX King of the City but if my Lord Mayor take up Armes against the City or rob them by Sea or Land or Rebell and Traytour them burne their houses c. Is not the Mayor a Traytour a Rebell for so doing I pray you my Leige resolve me But you may object the Parliament hath wronged you pray right your selfe if you can without wronging the Kingdome and then wee will say something to you Have not I beene wronged nay wronged by the Parliament wronged by the City wronged laughed and jeared at by the University of OXFORD because I acted vigourously according to the Orders of Parliament flung out Anti-Christ from his Seate and set Lambes for innocence and Doves for wisdome in their places but must I wrong the Parliament the City the University for that againe and strike the next man I meete withall much lesse my Lord and King the Kingdome My Leige I pray doe not take me for a Traytour and a Rebell ●…ds death I had rather suffer a thousand Deaths then endanger the death of my Lord and Soveraigne the Kingdome Your Majety must pardon me in that I will not say to Your Majesty ●s Your owne Countrey men the Scots that You are the first and Originall Cause of all the bloodshed in the three Kingdomes But ●●mit you were the first Cause then those assisting you are the second cause and so the Scots themselves are the third Cause who have lately betrayed their Lives Liberties and Estates into our hands and are now our Slaves and Vassalls therefore c. But for our parts my Lord wee hope wee are more wise then by such meanes to foment our owne miseries or by ou● owne treachery to forfeit our Lives or Estates to any but the State it selfe and for the State it selfe and for my owne part am resolved and so I thinke are the rest to fight against any that shall fight against our Soveraigne King the Kingdome who is Your King my King and every mans King else Yet notwithstanding all this the Parliament have so low condiscended beneath themselves unto Your Majesty that they have made us their COMMISSIONERS to Treat with You they have recalled their owne Votes of making no more Addresses unto You they have ordered ten thousand pounds for defraying the charge of the Treaty whereof six thousand pound Your Majesty is to have for the use of your selfe and those assisting about You and wee Commissioners but three thousand pounds therefore who thinke you will be gainers They have sent unto You Dr. REEVE and Dr. DUCK and I thinke the Devill and all ' Zblood are they not Parties and must they treat in their owne Cause or must wee treat with Parties My Lords you may doe as you will but I 'le doe as I list If Your Majesty do suddenly recall all the Declarations Protestations and the like that have proclaimed us Traytors Rebells c. You may if You will not You may chuse for I am resolved for Religion for all I am Chancellor of OXFORD it shall never trouble mee I thanke GOD I have Religion enough to say my prayers and for more I care not but will returne it to my Chaplaine or Your Majesty to doe therein as You please For the MILITIA and IRELAND my Lord of SALISBURY and my Lord of MIDDLESEX can tell you more then my selfe and so can my Lord SAY and SEALE too I thinke I have sayd enough and if any one can SAY more let them I say and say againe That if Your Majesty will signe to the PROPOSITIONS it will save a great deale of SAYING more words are but winde and my winde-pipe growes hoarse with speaking this I had rather see Deeds then Words Saying is one thing and Doing is another The Scripture I heard my Chaplaine say sayth in one place Doe this and live and so I may say by the PROPOSITIONS Signe these and live Doe so and then expect to be Great and Glorious for so I heard the Parliament say but if not wee shall referre you to the ARMY to bee ordered as they shall thinke fit yet let mee tell you a Coach and Horses are comming to your Majesty and good Sacke and accordingly as you behave your selfe you shall have other Provisions necessary If your Majesty will stand still in your owne light doe Then you must expect what will light on you after for my owne part I have discharged my conscience and never used to be tedious in my expressions I know we come to Treat and Treat wee will before wee go hence and I hope it will bee for the good of the Kingdome the Parliament and Army I have a long time knowne Your Majesty and You have knowne mee 't is my desire that wee may still bee friends and lovers nothing but ruine comes by dissentions and though the supreame authority bee in the people yet if they shall intrust it still in you I shall not bee against it nor the rest that are to Treat with you that you may have Your negative voice in Parliament as well as my selfe or the rest of the Lords May it please Your Majesty I am no Independent yet so farre an Independent that I would have a dependency on Your Majesty and the rest I never loved Warre for I alwayes would rather pocket up wroungs then incense or foment Warres as it was knowne to Your Royall Father and cannot bee unknowne to Your selfe Dam me I desire Peace no man more and if wee have not Peace then wee must expect warre and if wee have warre then wee shall have no Peace Now I have done and deliver up what is said to the Judgement of Your Majesty and all ingenious and honest men If any one can speake better I pray heare them for my owne part I shall give way and stand for a Cypher amongst the rest Yours Pembroke and Montgomery FINIS Vera Copia