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A29779 The late converts exposed, or, The reasons of Mr. Bays's changing his religion considered in a dialogue : part the second : with reflections on the life of St. Xavier, Don Sebastian King of Portugal, as also the fable of the bat and the birds. Brown, Thomas, 1663-1704. 1690 (1690) Wing B5061; ESTC R13424 82,114 78

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by the infallibility of the Church and the infallibility of the Church by the infallibility of the Scripture After the same manner as Sir Roger tells us in his above-mentioned History the evidence of the late Popish Plot were at a loss whether to bring Sir Godfrey's murder to the Plot or the Plot to the murder but at last so managed the matter as to make the murder prove the Plot and the Plot the murder But to be serious with you Mr. Bays where is this infallibility of your Church to be found at last Why say you and most of your Divines that live on this side the Alps in Pope and Council as for a Council there 's none sitting at present or if there were I hate as mortally to look after Infallibility in a Crowd as to carry a Letter to Mr. such-a-one living in London without naming the Street and Sign Neither this or that Bishop and so on of the rest make any pretensions to it and tho no individual man in the Assembly claims any right to the Title yet we must in complement to you believe that the Body shares it among them but for my part I can as little endure to hear of Accumulative Infallibility as of Accumulative Treason 'T is very true there 's a promise made somewhere in Scripture to preside over Two or Three that meet upon a Religious Score but the condition of the Obligation is Si in nomine meo convenerint which I presume those people can never pretend to have fulfilled that can decree Articles of Faith with a Non Obstante to a Primitive Institution The Italians that we have reason to suppose understand the question in hand better than any of their Neighbours by having the Infallibility reside amonst them for so long a time utterly dislike this opinion of the Tramontani and make a Council as unnecessary a thing to the Pope as the Parliaments in France are to their All-Mighty Monarch I am so far of their Opinion as to believe that if such a thing as Infallibility is any where to be found it must be lodged in one single person and therefore I am resolved for trying the experiment to go and give him a visit at Rome and here I see as little signs of Infallibillity as in any Princes Court in Christendom unless the errours and irreligion of the place be an argument that he dwells amongst them as we observe in England that people generally talk most Treason near the King's Palace Sometimes indeed I see a Grave Old Gentleman who as they tell me assumes this venerable title carried in procession up and down the City when he saves the poor ignorant people as the old Romans did their Gladiators by holding down a finger and a thumb and this is unless I am mistaken Soloecismum manu facere even according to the letter Sometimes I see him as on a Maunday Thursday with abundance of solemnity and Christian compassion deliver three parts of the Globe into the hands of old Satan by which tenure I suppose he holds his Spiritual Iurisdiction and his Mannor of the Vatican as a certain family in Buckingham-shire Mr. Cambden tells us held their Lands of the King by being obliged to furnish his Royal Bed with fresh straw whenever he came in progress to that side of the Country If I inquire into the History of Infallibility they inform me here that it was very ignorant and very obstinate under the late Pontificate and that the Man of Sin did not understand the Language of the Beast If I trace it farther I find that in the Reign of Pope Innocent the Tenth or rather Donna Olympia it was seated as the French call it en quenouille that in former times it has suffered an Interregnum for forty years that it has fornicated blasphem'd offer'd Sacrifices to Idols deny'd the Immortality of the Soul committed Incest studied Magick tolerated Sodomy dispens'd with Murder and occasion'd most of the Wars and Desolation that have plagued this part of the World for the ten last Centuries To recount all the Impieties that his story stands charged with were as endless a piece of trouble as to reckon up all the Treasons and Rebellions since the Conquest and I believe Mr. Bays you 'll find it as difficult a matter in the end to reconcile what has been mentioned to the Infallible Character he sustains as to reconcile his two incompatible Titles Rex Regum and Servus Servorum to one another One that has either read or heard of these passages wou'd be apt to conclude that as the Romish Religion is only a continuation of Paganism so that Platina's History is but the second part to Suetonius's Lives of the Caesars so I find I must e'en quit my Lodgings and leave Roma la Santa if I have a design to see Infallibility Migrandum est mihi longius vel illi When I have removed out of the City I may perhaps be so happy as to meet the long expected Object for as the same Poet observes Vicinus Novio vel inquilinus Sit quisquis Novium videre non vult The English of which Mr. Bays is this He that has a mind never to trouble his Eye-sight with Infallibillity must take himself a House in Rome and the nearer the Vatican or St. Peters so much the better Two Texts in the Bible a Book which he very scurvily requited afterwards Tu es Petrus and Pasce Oves meas first acquired him this Reputation in a dull barbarous unthinking Age and that soon brought along with it the Temporal Power which he now possesses but it 's no easie matter to determine whether he most scandalously behaves himself on his Secular or Spiritual Administration for he lets his Subjects amidst all their plenty starve in the most fruitful Country in the World and suffers them too for all his pretences to an Unerring Spirit to be over-run with the grossest Ignorance and Superstition If a Socrates or a Plato or a Race of honest Heathens of the same stamp had presided in the Chair I question whether the Christian Religion had received so much injury as it did from the conduct of the Popes unless they had expressed as great a passi●n for the Welfare of the Church as they have done all along for the raising of their Nephews and then perhaps most of th●se shameful miscarriages had been prevented I can't tell Mr. Bays whether he 's sensible of the kindness but I am sure your Infallibility is obliged for that little Christianity and Learning which is remaining in his Territories to the Reformation or Luther's defection as you call it as a Learned Traveller has observed that the preservation of Spain in this Age is intirely owing to the happy revolt the Hollanders made from it in the last Your Divines I know tell another story but where Interest and Prejudice blind people there 's no sincerity to be expected they magnify and preach up the Papal Infallibility in hopes