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A77858 An humble examination of a printed abstract of the answers to nine reasons of the House of Commons, against the votes of bishops in Parliament. Printed by order of a committee of the honourable House of Commons, now assembled in Parliament. Burges, Cornelius, 1589?-1665. 1641 (1641) Wing B5672; Thomason E164_14; ESTC R21636 38,831 83

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