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A85090 The false and scandalous remonstrance of the inhumane and bloody rebells of Ireland, delivered to the Earl of St. Albans and Clanrickard, the Earl of Roscomon, Sir Maurice Eustace Knight, and other His Majesties Commissioners at Trim, the 17. of March, 1642. to be presented to His Majesty, by the name of The remonstrance of grievances presented to His Majestie in the behalf of the Catholicks of Ireland. ... Together with an answer thereunto, on behalf of the Protestants of Ireland. Also a true narration of all the passages concerning the petition of the Protestants of Ireland. ... August 27. 1644. It is this day ordered by the Committee of the House of Commons in Parliament concerning Printing, that the books, intituled, An answer presented to His Majestie at Oxford, unto the false and scandalous remonstrance of the inhumane and bloody rebells of Ireland; together with A narration of the proceedings at Oxon, be forthwith printed and published: John White. 1644 (1644) Wing F343; Thomason E255_2; ESTC R210053 139,001 137

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rest of those Territories but only subjected to great travell and paines for your Majesties service and common benefit of the Kingdome and people And in the then intended Plantation of Connaught so much complained of by the Remonstrants the same course was observed for avoyding the Pattents of Protestants which were many and for taking part of their lands as of the Roman Catholiques without any difference at all Which course was by the Parliament of Ireland represented to your Majestie as a generall grievance in the Remonstrance sent over by a Committee of Protestants and Papists and redresse obtained in that point In the third Article doth plainly appeare 3. Article contrary to the intention of the Remonstrants and the Princely Fatherly care of blessed King Iames for the generall good of that Kingdome both by sending Commissioners for setling estates and often renewed and enlarged and after Statutes made by your Majestie to confirm all those Graunts And also in sending Cōmissioners to examine grievances and instructions for the general ease of the people All which by the Governours and Officers there was most wililingly obeyed performed so farre as was possible or might any wayes stand with your Majesties service and the general happinesse of the Kingdom as is more particularly expressed in part in the answer to the precedent Article and shal hereafter herein appeare at full All which should have wrought love and obedience in their hearts to so gracious a King and thankfulness to his Ministers who bestowed daily labour for their benefit as appeared wel in the encrease of the Kingdom in all riches and worldly substance far beyond all former times there being no such pressures as might occasion such outcry and should have restrained their unjust malice to the English Government But their desperate hatred to Protestants in general and to English Governours Ministers of State how beneficial soever to them far beyond any of their own working or endevours was so uncessant and prevalent as brought forth all these cursed events and heathenish cruelties And in particular for officers named in this Article and other English officers if particulars may come to an exact examination it will be most cleare That they have done more for the generall peace and prosperitie of the Kingdome then any of these Remonstrants ever offered to doe or could doe And if the English Governours and Officers would have concurred or connived with these Remonstrants practises for setting up Popery and the Abridgement and Diminution of your Majesties Prerogatives Authorities Rights and profits to which end most of their pretended grievances and complaints are framed and devised they might have enjoyed their more tollerable reports and approbation the contrary whereof they deserved not neither will it appeare that they have been questioned for any particular injustice oppression or private disaffection unlesse they be charged with the just detestation of the Remonstrants perfidious breach of faith to your Majestie and undeserved cruelties committed upon your Majesties faithfull Ministers and innocent Protestant subjects who could be no way guilty of the pretended terrours and mis-behaviours of your Majesties Governours and Ministers if any such were neither is this reluctation and hatred in those of the Irish and such of the old English as after degeneration joyned with them against the New English and English Government vernours and the desire to root them out any new thing for it was the same in the raigne of King E. the 3. as appeares by Record and good story It was the same in the raigne of King H. the 8. as appeares by the Statute made 28. H. 8. cap. 1. It was the same in the raigne of Queene Elizabeth as is evident and in all other times when the Kings of England endevoured reformation or reducement there To the 4th Article 4. Article The parts of this Article consisting of Generalls are untrue and unjustly devised to traduce your Majesties gracious Government in all the parts thereof as farre as these Confederates can invent First there are no adherents or instruments who have dealing in the Court of Wards other then the three sworne Judges and the sworne Officers thereof which are not many against whom in particular no just complaint did in twentie years appeare not in the times of the most strict Governours who would have been as was thought apt to give ready eare unto them neither can it appeare that any wilfully erronious Decrees or Judgements were ever given in that Court in which point the Confederates would not have beene wilfully silent if they had had just cause to complaine of any such as they never had neither were the heires of Roman Catholiques Noblemen or others cruelly and tyrannically dealt withall which are scandalous and to your Majestie undutifull tearmes and sinisterly devised But on the contrary it is evident by the records orders and proceedings of that Court ever since the Erection thereof That all Decrees and Judgements there given were grounded on an orderly proceeding in a Chauncery course according to your Majesties Commission in that behalfe Counsell on both sides freely heard and all parties convinced of the justnesse of every Decree or judgement there given and all tollerable respect and moderation used in executing the same so as no man could justly complaine All which part of that Judicature was wholly governed by the Attorney of that Court who is well able to answer for it It also appeares by the Records and Entries in that Court that since the Erection thereof in favour to all your Majesties Subjects aswell Papists as Protestants above two hundred Wardships were granted to the friends of the Ward or unto others of their nomination who in some cases might better be trusted to the use of the heire for payment of their debts preservation of their houses sustentation and preferment of younger Sons and Daughters if not provided for by the Ancestor and their lands leased to their most responsible friends to the same uses and good security given for accompt Most of all which if the Judges of that Court had been regardlesse of the heires and other children or carefull to raise profit to themselves or their friends they might have granted to others by force of their Commission and instructions yet none were granted to strangers to their owne use except by your Majesties immediate Warrants or in some few cases where the parties neglected many Tearms or refused to prosecute or where they obstinately opposed the Kings Tytle and so of necessity it was prosecuted at great charge and travell by others by allowance of the Court which could not otherwise be done and this manner of granting was the safest way for the heire for it being in a strangers name to the use of the heire and strict bonds taken for accompt every friend or kinsman of the heire or younger Children espying any abuse of their estates would be apt to informe often without cause or ground Wheras on the other
and Trust within that Kingdome be conferred upon Romane Catholiques Natives in equallity and indifferencis with your Majesties other Subjects Answ We humbly conceive that the Romane Catholique Natives in Ireland may have the like Offices and Places as the Romane Catholiques Natives of England here have and not otherwise Howbeit we conceive that in the generallity they have not deserved so much by their late Rebellion Therefore wee see not why they should be endowed with any new or further Capacities or Priviledges then they have by the Laws and Statutes now in force in that Kingdome 9. Propos That the insupportable oppression of your Subjects by reason of the Court of Wards and respit of homage be taken away and a certain Revenew in lieu thereof fetled upon your Majestie without diminution of your Majesties profits Answ We know of no oppression by reason of the Court of Wards and we humbly conceive that the Court of Wards is of great use for theraising of your Majesties Revenews the preservation of your Majesties Tenures and chiefly the education of the Gentry in the Protestant Religion and in civility of learning and good manners who otherwise would be brought up in ignorance and barbarisme their estates be ruined by their kindred and friends and continue their dependencie on the chief Lords to the great prejudice of your Majesties service and Protestant Subjects And there being no colour of exception to your Majesties just Title to Wardships we know not why the taking away of your Court concerning the same should be so pressed unlesse it bee to prevent the education of the Lords and Gentry that fall Wards in the Protestant Religion For that part of this Proposition which concerneth respit of Homage we humbly conceive it reasonable that some way may be setled for that if it stand with your Majesties good pleasure without prejudice to your Majestie or your Protestant Subjects 10. Propos That no Lord not estated in that Kingdome or estated and not resident shall have Vote in the said Parliament by proxie or otherwise and none admitted to the House of Commons but such as shall be estated and resident within the Kingdome Answ Wee humbly conceive that in the year 1641. by the graces which your Majestie then granted to your Subjects of Ireland the matter of this Proposition was in a fair way regulated by your utter abolishing of blank Proxies and limitting Lords present and attending in the Parliament of Ireland that no one of them should bee capable of more Proxies then two and prescribing the Peers of that Kingdome not there resident to purchase fitting proportions of Land in Ireland within five years from the last of July 1641. or else to lose their Votes till they should make such purchases which purchases by reason of the troubles happening in that Kingdome and which have continued for two years and a half have not peradventure yet been made And therefore your Majestie may now bee pleased and may take just occasion to enlarge the time for five years from the time when that Kingdome may again bee setled in a happy and firme peace And as to Members of the House of Commons the same is most fit as wee humbly conceive to be regulated by the Laws and Statutes of that Kingdome 11. Propos That an Act bée passed in the next Parliament declaratory that the Parliament of Ireland is a frée Parliament of it self independent of and not subordinate to the Parliament of England And that the Subjects of Ireland are immediatly subject to your Majesty as in right of your Crown And that the Members of the said Parliament of Ireland and all other the Subjects of Ireland are independent and no way to bée ordered or concluded by the Parliament of England and are onely to bée ordered and governed within that Kingdome by your Majestie and such Governors as are or shall be there appointed and by the Parliament of that Kingdome according to the Laws of the Land Answ This Proposition concerns your Majesties high Courts of Parliament both of England and Ireland and is beyond our abilities who are not acquainted with the Records and Presidents of this nature to give any answer unto and therefore we humbly desire your Majesties pardon for not answering unto the same 12. Propos That the assumed power of jurisdiction in the Councell boatd of determining of all manner of Causes be limitted to matters of State and all Pattents Estates and Grants illegally and extrajudicially avoyded there or elsewhere bée left in state as before and the parties grieved their heirs or assignes till legall eviction Answ The Councell-Table hath alwaies exercised jurisdiction in some cases ever since the English Government was setled in that Kingdome and is of so long continuance in cases of some natures as the beginning thereof appeareth not which seemeth to be by prescription and hath always been armed with power to examine upon Oath as a Court of Justice or in nature of a Court of Justice in Cases of some natures and may bee very necessary still in many Cases especially for the present till your Majesties Lawes may more generally bee received in that Kingdome And we conceive that Board is so well limitted by Printed Instructions in your Majesties Royall Fathers time and by your Majesties graces in the 17. year of your Reign that it needeth for the present little or no further Regulating at all howbeit they humbly refer it to your Majesties great wisdome and goodnesse to do therein as to Law and Justice shall appertaine Propos 13. That the Statute of the 11.12 and 13. yéer of Quéen Elizabeth concerning Staple commodities be repealed reserving to his Majesty lawfull and just poundage and a book of Rates to be setled by an indifferent Committée of both Houses for all Commodities Answ The matter of this Proposition is setled in a fitting and good way by your Majestie already as we conceive amongst the graces granted by your Majesty to your people of Ireland in the 17 year of your Majesties Reign to which we humbly refer our selves Propos 14. That in as much as the long continuance of the chief Governour or Governours of that Kingdome in that place of so great eminency and power hath béen a principall occasion that much Tyranny and oppression hath béen exercised upon the Subjects of that Kingdome That your Majestie will be pleased to continue such Governours hereafter but for thrée years And that none once imployed therein be appointed for the same again until the expiration of six years next after the end of the said thrée yéers And that an Act passe to dis-inhable such Governour or Governours during their Government directly or indirectly in Vse Trust or other wise to make any manner of purchase or Acquisition of any Manners Lands Tenements or Hereditaments within that Kingdome other then from your Majesty your heirs or successors Ans We humbly conceive that this Proposition tendeth to lay a fals and scandalous
of their affaires and humbly to beseech relief and redresse therein the said Lieutenant Colonel though your Majesties servant and imployed in publike trust in which case the Law of Nations affords safety and protection was without regard to either not only stopped from proceeding in his imployment but also tortured on the racke at Dublin 10 The Lord-president of Munster by direction of the said Lords-Iustices that province being quiet with his accomplices burnt preyed and put to death Men Women and children without making any difference of quality condition age or sex in severall parts of that province The Catholicks Nobles and Gentlemen there mistrusted and threatned and others of inferior quality trusted and furnished with Armes and Ammunition The province of Connaght was used in the like measure whereupon most of the considerable Catholicks in both the said provinces were inforced without Arms or ammunition to looke after safety and to that end to stand on their defence still expecting your Maiesties pleasure and alwayes ready to obey your commands Now the plot of the said ministers of State and their adherents being very ripe applications were incessantly by them made to the malignant party in England to deprive this people of all hopes of your Majesties justice or mercy and to plant a perpetuall enmity between the English and Scottish Nation and your subjects of this kingdom 11 That whereas this your Maiesties kingdom of Ireland in all successions of ages since the raign of King Henry the second sometimes King of England Lord of Ireland had a Parliament of their own composed of Lords and Commons in the same manner and forme qualified with equall liberties powers priviledges and immunities with the Parliament of England and only dependant of the King and Crown of England and Ireland and for all that time no prevalent Record or authentick president can be found that any Statute made in England could or did bind this kingdom before the same were here established by Parliament yet upon untrue suggestions and informations given of your subiects of Ireland an act of Parliament intituled An Act for the speedy and effectuall reducing of the Rebells in his Maiesties kingdom of Ireland to their due obedience to his Maiesty and the Crown of England and another Act intituled An Act for adding unto explaining the said former Act was procured to be enacted in the said Parliament of England in the 18. yeare of your Maiesties raign by which Acts and other proclamations your Maiesties subiects unsummoned unheard were declared Rebels and two Millions and a halfe of Acres arrable meadow and profitable pasture within this kingdom were sold to undertakers for certain sums of money and the Edifices Loghes Woods Bogs wastes and their appurtenances were thereby mentioned to be granted and past gratis which Acts the said Catholicks doe conceive to have been forced upon your Maiesty and although voyd and uniust in themselves to all purposes yet continue matters of evill consequence and extreame preiudice to your Maiesty and totally destructive to this Nation The scope seeming to ayme at Rebels only and at the disposition of a certain quantity of Land but in effect and substance all the Lands in the kingdom by the words of the said Acts may be distributed in whose possession soever they were without respect to age condition or quality and all your Maiesties Tenures and the greatest part of your Maiesties standing Revenue in this kingdom taken away and by the said Act if it were of force all power of pardoning and of granting those Lands is taken from your Maiesty a president that no age can instance the like against this Act the said Catholicks do protest as an Act against the fundamentall Laws of this kingdom and as an Act destructive to your Maiesties right and prerogatives by colour whereof most of the forces sent hither to infest this kingdom by Sea and Land disavowed any authority form your Maiesty but doe depend upon the Parliament of England 12 All strangers and such as were not inhabitants of the city of Dublin being commanded by the said Lord-Iustices in and since the said Moneth of November 1641. to depart the said city were no sooner departed then they were by the direction of the said Lords-Iustices pillaged abroad their goods seized upon and confiscated in Dublin and they desiring to returne under the protection and safety of the state before their appearance in any action were denyed the same and divers other persons of ranke and quality by the said Lords-Iustices imployed in publick service and others keeping close within their doores without annoying any man or siding then with any of the said Catholicks in Arms and others in severall parts of the kingdom living under and having the protection and safety of the state were sooner pillaged their houses burnt themselves their Tenants and servants killed and destroyed then any other by directions from the said Lords-Iustices and by the like direction when any Commander in cheif of the Army promised or gave quarter or protection the same was in all Cases violated and many persons of quality who obtained the same were ruined before others Others that came into Dublin voluntarily and that could not be justly suspected of any crime if Irishmen or Catholicks by the like direction were imprisoned in Dublin robbed and pillaged abroad and brought to their tryall for their lives The city of Dublin and Cork and the ancient Corporate Townes of Drogheda Yeoghell and Kinsale who voluntarily received garrisons in your Majesties name and the adjacent countries who relieved them were worse used and now live in worse condition than the Israelites did in Aegipt So that it will be made appeare that more murthers breaches of publick faith and quarter more destruction and desolation more cruelly not fit to be named were committed in Ireland by the direction and advice of the said Lords-Justices and their party of the said Counsell in lesse then eighteen Moneths then can pe paraleld to have been done by any Christian people 13 The said Lord-Justices and their adherents have against the fundamentall Lawes of the Land procured the sitting of both houses of Parliament for severall Sessions nine parts of ten of the naturall and genuine Members thereof being absent it standing not with their safety to come under their power and made up a considerable number in the house of Commons of Clerks Souldiers Serving-men and others not legally or not chosen at all or returned and having no manner of estate within the kingdom in which sitting sundry Orders were conceived and dismisse obtained of persons before impeached of Treason in full Parliament and passed or might have passed some Acts against Law and to the prejudice of your Majesty and this whole Nation and during these troubles Tearmes were kept and your Majesties Court of chief place and other Courts sate at Dublin to no other end or purpose but by false and illegall Iudgements Outlawries and other Capitall proceedings to
to the notice of all Our will and pleasure is that any whatsoever Copies or Transumpts whether written or printed that are subscribed with the hand of a publick notary and which have the seale of some eminent Person in Ecclesiasticall dignity affired thereunto be of the same force power and authority and have the like credit in every respect given unto them as would be to these our principall Letters if they were shewen and exhibited Dated at Rome in the Vatican or St. Peters Palace the 25 of May 1643 and in the twentieth year of our Pontificat M. A. Maraldus THe Recusant Lawyers on the other side secretly infusing into the credulous Irish and many old English pretended grievances and quarrells against your Majestie and your Government and the English Iudges and officers which pretended grievances even those Lawyers themselves knew to be of no importance towards any prejudice to the Kingdome in generall and which they well faw the English Iudges and Officers were most earnest to redresse and did it as fast as could be being to strive against such irregularities and reluctances as they found when they began And to prepare for this Rebellion they did in the present Parliament declare that killing in rebellion was no forfaiture of lands though the Law was heretofore held other wayes and much of your Majesties revenew stands upon that Title And for petitionary wayes and some other illegall parts in the Government the Popish Lawyers now chief leaders of the Remonstrants were the chiefe practizers at Councell board and most solicitous to lead the people into those wayes to flatter the Governours All which they did of purpose as it now appeares to poyson the minds of the people and to heape up matter whereout to gather discontent in them against your Majesty and your Government that when the Clergy could worke in them a grounded hatred to the Protestants and gaine in their hearts a further loathing of English Government how just and profitable soever both might meete towards destruction of the Kingdome in a Warre as they have now brought to passe And yet if a thorough Scrutiny were made and the state of that Realme with other Kingdomes notwithstanding their loud clamors of pretended Grievances no such enormities or abuses will be found to have been there when the Rebellion began as do exceede others in forraigne Kingdomes but rather farre lesse and not any such as might stirre up such implacable malice and hatred against your Majesty and the English Government and nation as now they shew Besides it is observable that in the Protestation and Declaration of the Lords and Comons in this Parliament of Ireland they do protest and declare that that Kingdome at the Earle of Straffords first comming to that Government was in a flourishing wealthy and happy estate and that for many yeares past before his coming the Government was Laudable Mild and Legall and yet in some Prints they now call it Tyrannicall for forty yeares past Touching the opposing of the graces this is as untrue as the rest for as to the graces in the fourth yeare of your Majesties raigne they were allowed the benefit of them for the most part as in particular THe placing of the Souldiers in Garrisons and ordering them so as they were no burthen to the Country neither were they from thenceforth used to collect Your Maiesties rents other then those graces allowed and that rarely The licences for retailing Ale and Beere were called in and so remained till setled by Law Orders were made for regulating the Clarke of the Market The imposition upon the short Plowes ceased untill a Law was made for it and the penalty of that Law also forborne at the motion of the Lords in Parliament Limitation for Tanning of Leather quite taken away Free Libertie given for Transportation of Corne Tallow Hides Beefe and other Commodities Bishops and Abby Liberties in Townes did contribute with the Townes Creation money allowed to Lords who had it graunted to them by Patent Liveries Ouster Lemaines c. past without Oath of Supremacy notwithstanding the Lawes then and now in force otherwayes ordeyned Divers Lands in Connaught put out of charge on those graces Rates of Compositions observed Commissioners of the Country appointed to ioyne with officers for inquiry and all other directions mentioned in the graces concerning the Court of Wards were obeyed The ordering of Fees of Officers in Court was left to the Parliament who tooke paines in it through not fully finished Estates of undertakers in Vlster were confirmed according to the graces and no man denied it that sued for it The Recusant Lawyers without taking the Oath of Supremacy admitted to the barre and all others to practize as Protestants were The Plantations of Longford Leytrim c. had their allowance of two years for performance of Covenants as was required The towne of Athlone had time given them as in the graces was commanded The Iudges were required to take order for summoning of convenient numbers of Iurors at Assizes and Kings Bench Not to allow accusation and testimony of infamous persons convicted of treason for evidence Not to bind over Iurors in case of tryall betweene subiects To dispatch poore mens causes in Courts Not to assesse Recompence upon robberies Not to bind over Witnesses upon Tryalls and to forbeare Reprivalls except upon case of necessity All which were observed by the Iudges as farre as might be The Bishops were required to take care that Pluralities should not be bestowed on unqualified or unworthy persons which was observed generally Provost Marshalls were forborne in all places except upon rare occasions of necessity and commonly at the suite of the Country while the necessity required and then to cease The Scottish men were generally made Dennizens either by Patent or Act of Parliament and none were refused it and now lately all the residue naturalized by Act of Parliament Strict course was taken to recover Vicaridges out of Impropriators and Laymens hands many recovered and where no Vicars were the Impropriators compelled to give good maintenance to Curates Protections against Iudgments in Courts and Decrees in Chancery very rarely graunted Corporations were Assessed towards contributions and other Country charges Order was given for Sherifes Fees as well in Leets as for removing possession and for effecting their Fines by Iustices of peace which was observed so as it was not complained of The Exchequer was commanded to proceed touching Custodiaries as was required by the graces and not to compell possessours to plead to charges upon Patents graunted to strangers All which was observed Warrants of Assistance to the Clergie were wholly forborne only in one Diocesse of Downe foure yeares since or thereabouts which was called in And in effect all those graces were yeilded unto and allowed as fast as the times could permit Except the enrolling the surrenders of Connaught and granting away those lands and Tenures and except the limitation of Your Majesties Titles above sixty
be adjudged and put in possession without any Office or Inquisition to be had 18. That your Majesties protestant Subjects may be restbred to the quiet possession of all their Castles Houses Mannors Lands Tenements and Hereditaments and Leases and to the quiet possession of the rents thereof as they had the same before and at the time of the breaking forth of this rebellion and from whence without due processe and judgement of Law they have since then been put or kept cut and may be answered of and for all the meane profits of the same in the interim and for all the time untill they shall be so restored 19. That your Majesties said protestant subjects may also be restored to all their Moneys Plate Jewels Houshouldstuffe Goods and Chattels whatsoever which without due processe or judgement in Law have by the said Confederates been taken or detained from them since the contriving of the said rebellion which may be gained in kind or the full value thereof if the same may not be had in kind and the like restitution to be made for all such things which during the said time have been delivered any person or persons of the said Confederates in trust to be kept or preserved but are by colour thereof still withholden 20. That the establishment and maintenance of a competent Protestant Army and sufficient Protestant souldiers and forces for the time to come be speedily taken into your Majesties prudent just and gracious consideration and such a course laid down and continued according to the tules of good government that your Majesties rights and Laws the Protestant religion and peace of that Kingdome be no more endangered by the like rebellions in time to come 21. That whereas it appeareth in print that the said Confederates amongst other things ayme at the repeale of Poynings Law thereby to open an easie and ready way for the passing of acts of Parliament in Ireland without having them first well confidered of in England which may produce many dangerous consequences both to that Kingdome and to your Majesties other Dominions your Majesty would be pleased to recent and reject all propositions tending to introduce so great a diminution of your Royall and necessary power for the confirmation of your Royall estate and protection of your good protestant Subjects both there and elsewhere 22. That your Majesty out of your grace and favour to your Protestant subjects of Ireland would be pleased to consider effectually of assuring them that you will not give order for or allow of the transmitting into Ireland any act of generall Oblivion release or discharge of Actions or Suits whereby your Majesties said Protestant Subjects there may be barred or deprived of their legall remedies which by your Majesties Laws and Statutes of that Kingdome they may have against the said Confederates or any of them or any of their party for or in respect of any wrongs done unto them or any of their ancestors or predecessors in or concerning their lives liberties persons lands goods or estates since the contriving or breaking forth of the said rebellion 23. That some fit course may be considered of to prevent the filling or overlaying of the Commons house of Parliament in Ireland with popish Recusants being ill affected members and that provision be duely made that none shall vote or sit therein but such as shall first take the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance 24. That the proofes and manifestations of the truth of the severall matters contained in the Petition of your Majesties Protestant subjects of Ireland lately presented to your Majesty may be duely examined discussed and in that respect the finall conclusion of things respited for a convenient time their Agents being ready to attend with their proofes in that behalfe as your Majesty shall appoint Which Remonstrance Answer and Propositions His Majesty received from the said Agents the 27 of Aprill 1644. and the same delivered to Master Secretary Nicholas and then the said Agents desired him to move his Majesty that nothing might be concluded with the Irish Agents untill the said protestant Agents were fully heard and that they might have a Copy of the Propositions of the Irish The next day after Master Secretary Nicholas told them that his Majesty had referred the protestants petition their answer to the rebells Remonstrance and their propositions to the Committee for Irish affaires The 29th of April the protestant Agents were told by one of the Committee for the Irish affaires at Oxford that such of the Committee who were at the reading of the Answer to the Rebells Remonstrance and the Propositions of the protestant Agent said That those Propositions were drawne by the close Committee of London and that they wondered that His Majesty would receive so mutinous a Petition The same day the Protestant Agents being informed by divers persons of quality that the rebells Agents were upon dispatch they waited on the Lord Cottington chiefe of the Committee and desired his Lordship to be a meanes that they might have a Copy of the Rebells Propositions to His Majesty his Lordship seemed a stranger to the businesse and said he knew not any Propositions the Rebells had made and said further that he conceived they meant the Irish Remonstance whereunto they answered that the same was long since printed and that they were not strangers thereunto To which his Lordship replyed that if any such Propositions were made it were fit the same should be made knowne unto them but that he knew of none such Notwithstanding the said Lord Cottington was present at the Committee appointed by His Majesty for Irish affaires the 19 of April when the said Propositions from the Rebells of Ireland were read and by his Lordship and the rest on inviolable secrecy delivered unto Sir William Stewart and Sir Gerard Lowther Sir Philip Percivall and Mr. Justice Donuelland who were sent for out of Ireland and appointed by His Majesty to advise with him upon the Treaty and who received command from their Lordships not to communicate the said Propositions to any body which Injunction of secrecy was a great prejudice to the Protestant cause that those persons being persons of ability and integrity should be restrained from a free communication of all occurrences concerning that affaire with the said Protestant Agents and both they and the Agents were thereby prevented of satisfying severall persons that on false grounds and misinformation of the Rebells and their party who tooke liberty to discourse of the reasonablenesse of the Rebells desires and of the motives inducing the same were deluded with an opinion of the moderatnesse of the Rebells propositions and other their proceedings The same day the Protestant Agents being much troubled with the said Lord Cottingtons answer repaired unto Sir William Stewart Sir Gerard Lowther Sir Philip Percivall and Justice Donuellan and unto Sir George Radcliffe and Sir William Sambach who were added to them for that affaire and acquainted them that they were attending
in that Kingdome for the encrease of Your Majesties revenues towards the defraying of Your Majesties necessary chage of that Kingdome the satisfying in some measure the arreares of Your Army in Ireland especially those who have laid great sums of money out of their owne purses and deeply engaged themselves for money and provisions to keepe themselves their holds and Souldiers under their commands in the necessary defence of Your Majesties rights and lawes and for the encouragement of others in like times and cases which may happen who otherwise will be totally ruined by their great engagements which we humbly submit to Your Majesties consideration And likewise that Your Majesty will be graciously pleased in the said plantations to erect and build some walled Townes in the said Kingdome of Ireland and endow and furnish them with necessary and sufficient meanes of legall and just government and defence for the better security of Your Majesties lawes and rights more especially the Protestant Religion in time of danger 11. That for the better satisfaction of Justice and Your Majesties honour and for the future security of the said Kingdome and Your Maiesties protestant subiects there exemplary punishment may be inflicted upon such of the principall offenders as have had their hands in the shedding of innocent blood or had to doe with the first plot or conspiracy or since that time have done any notorious murthers 12. That Your Maiesties Townes forts and places of strength destroyed by the said confederates since the said rebellion may be by them and at their charge reedified and delivered up into Your Maiesties hands to be duly put into the government under Your Maiesty and Your lawes of good protestants and that all strengths and fortifications made and set up by the said confederates since the said rebellion may be slighted and thrown down or else delivered up and disposed of for Protestant government as aforesaid 13. That Your Maiesties Protestant subiects may be restored to the quiet and peaceable possession of all their Castles Houses mannors lands Tenements hereditaments and leases as they had the same before and at the time of the breaking forth of this rebellion and from whence without due processe and Judgement in law they have since then been put out and kept 14. That Your Maiesties said Protestant subiects may also be restored to or satisfied for all their monies plate Jewells houshold Stuffe Goods or Chattells whatsoever which during the Rebellion have been delivered to any person or persons of of the confederates in trust to be kept and preserved which are yet detained from them without colour of law or Justice 15. That the establishment and maintenance of a compleat protestant Army and sufficient protestant Souldiers and forces for the time to come in Ireland be speedly taken into Your Majesties Prudent Just and Gracious confideration and such a course laid down and continued therein according to the rules of good government that Your Majesties rights and lawes and the protestant Religion and Peace of that Kingdome be no more endangered by the like Rebellion in time to come 16. That whereas it appeareth in print that the said confederates amongst other things aime at the repeale of Poynings Act thereby to open an easie and ready way for the passing of Acts of Parliament in Ireland without having them first well considered of in England which may produce many dangerous consequences both to that Kingdome and to Your Majesties other Dominions Your Majesty would be pleased to recent and reject all propositions tending to introduce so great a Diminution of Your royall and necessary power for the conservation of Your royall estate and protection of Your good protestant subjects both there and elsewhere 17. That Your Majesty out of Your abundant grace and favour to Your Protestant subjects of Ireland will be pleased to consider effectually of assuring them that if your Majesty shall thinke fit for the furtherance of your service to grant to the said confederates an Act of oblivion that your Majesty will not allow of discharge or release any actions suites debts or interests whereby your Majesties protestant subjects of Ireland may be barred or deprived or any of their party in respect of any wrongs done unto them or any of their ancestors or predecessors in and concerning their lands goods or estates since the contriving or breaking forth of the said rebellion 18. That some fit course may be considered of to prevent the filling or overlaying the Commons house of Parliament in Ireland with popish recusants and unlesse some course shall by due meanes be settled the popish faction may at some time or other get such an over-ruling power in that house as may endanger both your Majesties rights and royall prerogatives and the Protestants of that Kingdome And that provision may be made that none shall Vote or sit in any Parliament there but such as shall first take the Oaths of Supremacy and Alleageance 19. That the proofs and manifestation of the Truth of the severall matters contained in the Petition of your Majesties protestant subjects of Ireland and the collections made to disprove the scandalous aspersions cast on your Majesties gracious government and on your good and loyall protestant subjects by the confederates may be duly examined and discussed The seventh of May Sir William St Leger came from His Majesties Army to Oxford and being with the protestant Agents told them That that party of the Army that came out of Munster in Ireland were much discontented to heare that the protestant Agents received no better countenance and that he had told the Lord Digby so much and that the Lord Digby on discourse with the said Sir William said That The greatest favour he could doe the Protestants Agents was to call them mad men that he might not call them roundheads for that the said Agents had proposed mad propositions and wished him to prevaile with some of the Agents to come to him that he might confer with them which the said Agents did not the L. Digbies expressions then and before so little encouraging them thereunto The same day there was a report in Oxford grounded upon a letter that came out of Ireland signifying that it went for currant newes in Dublin that the Irish Agents were dispatched at Court and that they staid to procure the protestants pardons This being told to the L. Digby by the said Sir William St Leger his Lordship answered That the Protestant Agents had raised that report of purpose to cast an aspersion upon the King The eighth of May the Protestant Agents waited on Mr. Secretary Nicholas desiring to know what resolution was taken upon their second propositions who told them That the Lords sate not that day according to their appointment And the said Agents heard by others that some of the Lords desired to avoid sitting in counsell when the businesse of Ireland was debated The ninth of May the protestant Agents were commanded to wait at the