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A11308 The fyrst dialogue in Englisshe with newe additions.; Dyaloge in Englysshe. Saint German, Christopher, 1460?-1540.; Saint German, Christopher, 1460?-1540. Dialogus de fundamentis legum Anglie et de conscientia. aut 1532 (1532) STC 21568; ESTC S116337 214,256 498

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no more there is of diuersite other estopelles / which were to lōge to reherce now And yet the partie that may take auantage of such an estopel by the lawe / is boūde in cōscience to forsake that auantage specially if he were so estopped by ignorance / and nat by his owne knowlege assent for thoughe the lawe ī suche cases gyueth no remedye to hym that is estopped yet the law iugeth nat that the other hath ryght vnto the thynge that is in variaunce bytwyxte them ¶ Also it is vnderstāde that the lawe is to be lefte for cōsciēce / where a thynge is tryed foūde by verdit agaynst the trouth / for in the comon law the iugement muste be gyuen accordynge as it is pleaded tried lyke as it is ī other lawes / that the iugement muste be gyuen accordynge to that / that is pleaded proued ¶ Also it is vnderstande that the lawe is to be lefte for cōscience / where the cause of the lawe doth cease for whan the cause of the lawe dothe cease / the lawe also dothe cease in conscience / as apperyth by this case here after folowynge ☞ Addicion ❧ A man maketh a lease for terme of lyfe / after a stranger doth waste / wherfore the lesse brīgeth an accion of Trn̄s hath iugemēt to recouer damagꝭ hauyng regarde to the treble damagꝭ that he shal yelde to hym ī the reuercion And aft he in the reuercion byfore accion of waste sued dyeth so that the accion of waste is therby extincted / then the tenant for terme of lyfe though he may sue execucion of the sayd iugemēt by the lawe yet he may nat do it by conscience for in conscience he maye take no more then he is hurted by the sayd trespasse / bycause he is nat chargyd ouer with the treble damages to his lessoure ¶ Also it is vnderstande where a lawe is grounded vpon a presumpcion / for if the presumpcion be vntrue / then the lawe is nat to be holden in cōscience And nowe I haue shewed the somwhat howe that question that is to say where the lawe shal be ruled after cōscience I pray the shewe me whether there be nat lyke diuersities in other lawes bytwyxte lawe conscience ¶ Docto r Yes verely very many wherof thou haste recyted one byfore / where a thynge that is vntrue is pleaded ꝓued / in whiche case iugement muste be gyuen accordynge as well in the lawe Cyuile as in the lawe Canon And another case is that if the heyre make nat his inuentory / he shal be bounde after the lawe Cyuile to all the dettes though the goodes amount nat to so moche And the lawe Canon is nat agaynste that lawe / and yet in conscience the heyre whiche in the lawes of Englande is called an executour is nat in that case charged to the dettes / but accordīge to the value of the goodes And nowe I pray the shewe me some cases where cōsciēce shal be ruled after the lawe ¶ Stud. I wyll with good wyll shewe the somwhat as me thynketh therin ❧ Here foloweth dyuers cases where conscience is to be orderyd after the lawe The .xx. Chapitre STudent The eldest sone shall haue enioy his father landes at the comon lawe in conscience / as he shall in the lawe And in Burghenglysshe the yonger sone shall enioy the inheritaunce / that in conscience And in Gauelkynde all the sōnes shall inherite the lande togyther as doughters at the comon lawe and that in cōsciēce And there can be none other cause assigned why cōscience in the fyrste case is with the eldest brother / in the seconde with the yonger brother / and ī the thyrde case with all the bretherne But bycause the lawe of Englande by reason of diuers customes dothe somtyme gyue the lande hollye to the eldest sone / somtyme to the yongest / and somtyme to all ¶ Also if a man of his mere mocion make a feffemēt of two acres of lande lyenge in two seuerall shyres / maketh lyuerey of season in the one acre in the name of both In this case the feffe hath ryght but only to that acre wherof lyuerey of season was made / bycause he hath no tytle by the law but if bothe acres had ben in one shyre he had had good ryght to both And in these cases the diuersitie of the lawe makyth the diuersitie of conscience ¶ Also if a man of his mere mocion make a feffement of a maner sayth nat to haue to holde c̄ with the appurtynances / in that case the feffe hath right to the demesne landes to the rentes / if there be atturnament to the comon parteynynge to the maner / but he hath nother ryght to the aduowsons appendaunt if any be / nor to the vylleins regardant but if this terme with thapurtynaūces had ben in the dede / the feffe had had ryght in cōscience aswell to the aduowsons vylleins / as to the residue of the maner but if the kynge of his mere mocion gyue a maner with the appurtynaunces / yet the donee hath neyther ryght in lawe nor cōscience to the aduowsons nor vylleins And the diuersitie of the lawe in these cases maketh the diuersitie of conscience ¶ Also if a man make a lease for terme of yeres yeldynge to hym to his heyres a certayne rent vpon condicion that if the rent be behynde by .xl. dayes c̄ that then it shal be lawful to the lessour his heyres to rentre And after the rent is behynde the lessour askyth the rent accordynge to the lawe it is nat payd / the lessour dyeth his heyre entreth In this case his entre is lawfull bothe in lawe and conscience but if the lessoure had dyed byfore he had demaūdyd the rent / and his heyre demaūde the rent / bycause it is nat payde he rentreth / in that case his rentre is nat lawfull nother in lawe nor in conscience ¶ Also if the tenaunt in dower sowe her lande and dye byfore her corne be rype / that corne in conscience belongeth to her executours / nat to hym in the reuercion / but otherwyse it is in cōscience of grasse frutes And the diuersitie of the lawe makyth ther also the diuersitie in cōscience ¶ Also if a man seased of landes in his demesne as of fee / byquethyth the same by his last wyll to another and to his heyres and dyeth In thꝭ case the heyre nat with stādynge the wyll hath ryght to the lande in conscience And the reason is bycause the lawe iugeth that wyll to be voyde and as it is voyde in the lawe / so it is voyde in conscience ¶ Also if a man graunte a rente for terme of lyfe and make a lease of lande to the same graūte for terme of lyfe / and the tenaunte alyeneth both in fee. In this case he in the reuercion hath good tytle to the lande /
is nat partie to the dede and therfore it can nat be taken by waye of graunte of the reuercion / for no graūte can be made but to hym that is partie to the dede excepte it be by way of remayndre / and therfore if a mā make a lease for terme of life / and after the lessour graunt to a staūger that the tenaūt for terme of lyfe shal haue the lande to him and to his heyres / that graunt is voyde if it be made onely of his mere mocion without recompence And in lyke wyse if a mā make a lease for terme of lyfe after graūt the reuerciō to one for terme of lyfe / the remayndre ouer in fee / and the renaūt atturneth to hym that hath the state for terme of lyfe onely / intēdyng that he onely shulde haue aduauntage of the graūte his entēt is voyde / and both shall take aduauntage therof / and the atturnament shal be taken good accordynge to the graunte / and so in this case though the feoffoure entended that if the rente were nat payed that the straūger shulde entre / yet bycause the lawe gyuethe hym no entre in that case that intent is voyde / and the same staunger shall neyther entre into the lande by lawe nor conscience ¶ Doctour What shal than be done with the lande as thou thynkest after the cōdicion broken ¶ Student I thynke that the feoffour in this case may lawfully reentre / for whan the feoffemēt was made vpon condicion that the feoffe shulde pay a rent to a straunger in tho wordes is concluded in the lawe that if the rent were nat payed to the straunger that the feoffoure shulde reentre for tho wordes vpon condicion / implie so moche in the lawe thoughe it be expressed And than whā the feoffour went ferther and sayd that if the rēt were nat payed that the straunger shulde entre / those wordes were voyde in the lawe / and so the effecte of the dede stode vpon the fyrst wordes wherby the feoffour maye reentre in lawe and conscience but if the fyrst wordes had nat ben cōdicionall I wolde haue holden it the greater doute ¶ Doctour I praye the put the case therof in certayne with suche wordes as be nat condicionall that I may the better perceyue what thou meanest therin ❧ The .xix. question of the studente The .xxi. Chapitre SSudent A man maketh a feoffement by dede indetted / and by the same dede it is agreed that the feffe shal pay to A.B. to his heyres a certayne rēt yerely at certayn dayes / that if he pay nat the rēt thā it is agreed that A.B. or his heyres shall entre into the lande / and after the feoffe payeth nat the rent / than the question is who ought in cōscience to haue this lande and rent ¶ Doctoure Or we argue what conscience wyll let vs knowe fyrste what the lawe wyll therin ¶ Student I thynke that by the lawe neyther the feoffoure ne yet the sayd A.B. shall neuer entre into the lande in this case for nat paymente of the rent for there is no reentre in this case gyuen to the feoffour for nat payment of the rent as there is in the case next byfore / and the entre that is gyuen to the sayd A. B. for nat paymēt therof is voyde in the lawe bycause he is estraūge to the dede as it appereth also in the next Chapitre byfore And therfore me thynketh that the greatest doute in this case is to se to what vse this feoffement shal be taken ¶ Doctour There appereth in this case as thou haste put it no consideracion ne recompence gyuen to the feoffour whervpon any vse may be deriuied / if the case be so in dede that the feoffour declared neuer his mynde therin / to what vse shall it thā be takē ¶ Stu. I thynke it shal be taken to be to the vse of the feoffe as longe as he payeth the rente / for there is no reason why the feoffe shulde be busied with paymēt of the rent hauyng nothynge for his labour / ne it may nat cōueniently be taken that the intent of the feoffour was so / excepte he expressed it / thā it must be taken that he intended to recōpense the feffe for the busynes that he shuld haue in the payment ouer / and by the wordes folowyng his intent appereth to be so as me thynketh / for if the rēt were nat payed he wolde that A.B. shulde entre / and so it semeth he entended nat to haue any vse hym selfe and thus as me semeth this case shulde varye fro the comō case of vses / that is to saye / if a man seased of lande make a feoffement therof and it apperethe nat to what vse the feoffement was made ne it is nat vpon any bargayne or other recompence than it shal be taken to be to the vse of the feoffoure / excepte the contrarie can be proued by some bargaine or other lyke / or that his intēt at the tyme of the lyuerey of season was expressed that it shulde be to the vse of the feoffe or of some other / than it shall go accordynge to his entent / but in this case me thynketh it shal be taken that his entent was that it shulde fyrst be to the vse of the feoffe for the cause byfore reherced excepte the contrarie can be proued / so the knowlege of the intēt of the feoffour is the greatest certaynte for knowelege of the vse in this case as me semeth / but whā the feoffour goeth ferther and sayeth that if the rent be nat payed thā the sayd A.B. shulde entre into the lande / thā it appereth that his entent was that the rente shulde cease / and that A. B. shulde entre into the lande / and thoughe he maye nat by those wordes entre into the lande after the rules of the lawe / and to haue freholde / yet those wordes seme to be sufficient to proue that the intēt of the feoffour was that he shulde haue the vse of the lande / for sythe he had the rente to his owne vse and nat to the vse of the feoffoure so it semeth he shal haue the vse of the lande that is assigned to hym for nat paymente of the rente ¶ Doctour But I am somwhat in doute whether he had the rente to his owne vse / for the intēt of the feoffour myght be that he shuld pay the rēt for hī to some other or some other vse myght be appoynted therof by the feoffour ¶ Student If suche an entēt can be proued than that intent must be obserued / but we be ī the case to wete to what vse it shal be taken if the entēt of the feoffour can nat be proued / thā me thynketh it can nat be otherwyse takē but that it shal be to the vse of hī to whome it shulde be payed / for though it be called a rent yet
the law that if a Bisshope be vouched to warrātie the tenaunt byndeth hī to the warrātye by reason of a lease made to hym by the Bisshope by the deane the chapitre yelding a rente / that in that case the Bisshoppe may nat disclayme in that reuercion without the assent of the deane chapitre But yet if a reuercion were graūted to a deane a chapitre the deane refuse / the graunt is voyde / so it appereth that a deane may refuse to take a gyfte or graunte of landes or goodes or of a reuercion made to hym to the chapitre that yet he maye nat disagre to a remaīdre or deuise / the diuersite is because the remayndre deuise be caste vpon hym without any assent / wherunto nether the deane nor the chapitre by them selfe maye in no wyse disagre without the assent of the other / but a gifte or graūt is nat good to them without they bothe assēt in suche giftes as I suppose an Infaunt may disagre as well as one of full age / but if a woman couert disagre to a gifte the husbande agre that gyfte is good ¶ Doctoure what if the landes in that case of a man his wyfe be charged with damages or be charged with more rent than the lande is worthe / the husbande dye shall the wyfe be charged to the damages or to the rent ¶ Studēt I thynke nay if the wyfe refuse the occupacion of the grounde after her husbande deth / I thynke the same lawe to be if a lease be made to the husbande to the wyfe yelding a greater rent thā the lande is worth that the wyfe after the husbandes dethe maye refuse the lease to saue her fro the payment of the rente / so may the successour of an Abbot ¶ Docto. And if the husbande in that case ouerliue the wyfe than make his executours and dye / whether may his executours in lykewyse refuse the lease ¶ Student If they haue goodes sufficient of theyr testatoure to pay the rente I thynke they may nat refuse it / but if they haue no goodes sufficient of theyr testatours to pay the rente to the ende of the terme / I thynke if they relinquisshe the occupacion they may by special pleedynge discharge them selfe of the rent and the lease / and if they do nat they may lightly charge them selfe of theyr owne goodes And if a lease be made for terme of lyfe the remayndre to an Abbot for terme of the lyfe of Iohan at style / reseruynge a greater rente than the lande is worthe / and after the tenaunte for terme of lyfe dyeth the Abbot may refuse the remayndre for the cause before reherced / and in case that the Abbot assent to the remaindre wherby he is charged to the rēt durynge the tyme that is Abbot / after he dyeth or is deposed liuynge the sayd Iohā at style / in that case his successoure maye discharge hym selfe by refusinge the occupacion of the lande as is aforesayd But I thynke that if suche a remayndre were made to a deane / to the chapitre / the deane agre without the assent of the chapitre that in that case the deane the chapitre maye afterwarde disagre to the remayndre and that the acte of the deane without the assēt of the chapitre shall nat charge the chapitre ī that behalfe / thus it appereth though the meaninge of the sayde chapitre article in the sayde summe be / that a prelate may nat disagre vnto a legacie for hurtīge of the house / yet he may after the lawes of the realme disagre thereto where it shulde hurte his house And if in a Precipe quod reddat there be but one tenaunt be he spirituall or temporall / he refuse by waye of disclaymoure in suche case where he maye disclayme by the lawe / there the lande shal veste in the demaundaunt / if there be two tenauntes than it shall veste in his felowe / if he wyll take the hole tenaūcie vpon him or els it shall veste in the demaundaunte But if an Abbot or a laye man refuse the takynge of the profites / shewe a speciall cause why it shulde hurte hym if he dydde assente be therby discharged as is sayde before / In whome the lande shall than veste it is more doute whereof I wyll no ferther speke at this tyme. And thus it appereth by diuerse of the cases that be put in this chapitre that he that is ignoraunt in the lawe of the realme / shall lacke the true iugement of conscience in many cases / For in many of these cases that that maye be done therein by the lawe muste also be obserued in conscience c̄ ☞ Whether a gyfte made vnder a condicion be voyde if the souerayne onely breke the condicion ⸫ The .xxxiiii. Chapitre SLudent In Sūma rosella in the title alienacio / the .xii. article is asked this question whether a gyfte made vnder a certayne forme may be auoyded or reuoked because the prelate or souereyne onely dyd breke the forme / it is there answered that it may nat for that the dede of the prelate onely ought nat to hurte the churche / if those wordes vnder a maner be vnderstande of a gyfte vpon condicion as they seme to be / than the sayd solucion holdeth nat in this realme nether in lawe nor consciēce ¶ Doctoure What is than the law of Englande if a man enfeffe an Abbot by dede intented vpon condicion that if the Abbot paye nat to the feffoure a certayne some of money at suche a daye / that than it shal be lawfull to the feoffour to reentre / at that day the Abbot fayleth of his paymēt may the feoffer lawfully reentre put out the Abbot ¶ Student ye veryly for he had no right to the lande but by the gyfte of the feffour his gyfte was condicionell therfore if the condicion be broken it is lawfull by the lawe of Englāde for the feffoure to reentre to take his lande agayn to holde it as in his fyrst estate by which reentre after the lawes of the realme he disproueth the fyrste lyuerey of season al the meane actes done betwene the fyrst feffement the reētre / it forceth litle in the lawe in whome the defaute be that the cōdicion was nat performed whether in the Abbot or in his couēt or ī bothe / or in any other persone what so euer he be excepte it be in the feffoure hīselfe And it is great diuersitie betwene a clere gyfte made to an Abbot without cōdiciō / where it is made with cōdictō / for whan it is made without cōdiciō the acte of the Abbot onely shal nat by the comō lawe disherite the house but it be in very fewe cases / but yet vpon diuers statutes the sufferaūce of the Abbot
feoffour was seased ī that case to his owne vse I shall shewe the afterwarde The seconde case is this A man maketh a feoffement in fee / and it is agreed vpon the feoffement that the feoffe shal pay a yerely rēt to a straūger / and if he pay it nat that thā the straunger shall entre into the lande In this case I sayd as it appereth in the sayd .xxi. Chapitre / that if the feoffe payed nat the rent that the straunger shuld haue the vse of the lande thoughe he maye nat by the rules of the lāde entre into the lāde / the diuersite bytwene the cases me thynkethe to be this In the fyrste case it apperethe as I haue sayd byfore in the sayde xx Chapitre / that the feoffour myght lawfully reentre by the lawe for nat payment of the rent / and than whā he entred accordynge he by that entre auoyded the fyrste lyuery of season / in so moche that after the reentre he was seased of the lande of lyke estate as he was byfore the feoffemente And soo remaynethe noo thynge / whervpon the straunger myght grounde his vse / but onely the bare graunte or entente of the feoffour whā he gaue the land to the feoffe vpon condicion that he shulde pay the rente to the straunger / and if nat / that it shulde be lawful to the straunger to entre / for the feoffement is auoyded by the reentre of the feoffour as I haue sayd byfore / and as I sayd in the last Chapitre as I suppose a nude or bare graunte of hym that is seased of lande is nat sufficiente to begynne an vse vpon ¶ Doctour A bare graunte maye chaunge an vse as thou thy selfe agredest in the last Chapitre why thā may nat an vse as well begyn vpon a bare graunt ¶ Student Whan an vse is ī Esse he that hathe the vse may of his mere mocion gyue it awaye if he wyll without recompence as he myght the lande if he had it in possession / but I take it for a grounde that he can nat so begynne an vse without a lyuerey of season or vpon a recompence or bargayne / that there is suche a groūd in the lawe that it maye nat so begynne it appereth thus / it hath ben alwaye holden for lawe that if a man make a dede of feoffement to a nother and delyuer the dede to hym as his dede / that in that case he to whome the dede is delyuered hath no tytle ne medelynge with the lande afore lyuerey of season be made to hym but only that he may entre and occupie the lāde at the wyll of the feoffour / and there is no boke saythe that the feoffour in that case is seased there of byfore lyuerey to the vse of the feoffe And in lykewyse if a man make a dede of feoffement of two acres of lande that lye in two shyres intendyng to gyue them to the feoffe and maketh lyuerey of season in the one shyre nat in the other / in this case is it comonly holden in bokes that the dede is voyde to that acre where no lyuerey is made excepte it lye within the viewe saue onely that he maye entre occupie at wyl as is aforsayde / and there is no boke that sayth that the feoffe shulde haue the vse of the other acre / for if an vse passed therby than were nat the dede voyde to all intentes / and yet it apperethe by the wordes of the dede that the feoffour gaue the landes to the feoffe / but for lacke of lyuerey of season the gyfte was voyde and some thynketh it is here without lyuerey of seasō be made accordynge But in the seconde case of the sayd two cases the feoffe may nat reentre for non payment of the rente / and so the fyrste lyuerey of season continueth and standeth in effecte / and thervpon the fyrste vse maye wel begynne take effecte in the straunger of the lande whā the rent is nat payed vnto hym accordynge to the fyrst agrement And so me thynketh that in the fyrst case the vse is determined by cause the lyuerey of season where vpon it cōmenced is determined / and that in the seconde case the vse of the lande taketh effecte ī the strāger for nat paymēt of the rēt by the graūt made at the fyrste lyuerey whiche yet continueth in his effecte / and this my thīketh is the diuersite bytwene the cases ¶ Doc. yet natwithstandyng the reason that thou haste made me thynketh that if a man seased of landes makethe a gyfte therof by a nude promyse without any lyuerey of season or recompēce to hym made and graūt that he shal be seased to his vse that thoughe that ꝓmyse be voyde in the lawe that yet neuertheles it muste holde and stande good in conscience and by the lawe of reason / for one rule of the lawe of reason is / that we may do nothynge against the trouthe / and syth the trouthe is that the owner of the grounde hathe graunted that he shall be seased to the vse of the other that graūt muste nedes stande in effecte or els there is no trouth in the grauntour ¶ Student It is nat agaynste the trouthe of the graūtour in this case thoughe by that graunte he be nat seased to the vse of the other / but it proueth that he hathe graūted / that the lawe wyll nat waraunt hym to graunte / wherfore his graunte is voyde But if the grauntour had gone ferther and sayd that he wolde also suffre the other to take the ꝓfites of the landes without let or other interupcion / or that he wolde make hī estate in the lande whan he shulde be requyred / than I thynke in those cases he were boūden in conscience by that rule of the lawe of reason that thou hast remembred to perfourme them / if he intended to be bounden by his ꝓmyse / for elles he shulde go agaīst his owne trouthe and agaynste his owne ꝓmyse But yet it shal make no vse in that case / nor he to whome the promyse is made shall haue no accion in the lawe vppon that promyse althoughe it be nat perfourmed / for it is called in the lawe a nude or a naked promyse And thus me thynkethe that in the fyrste case of the said two cases the graunte is nowe auoyded in the lawe by the reentre of the feoffoure / feoffour / and that the feoffour is nat bounden by his graunte neyther in lawe nor cōscience but that ī the secōd case he is boūd / so that the vse passethe frō hym as I haue sayd byfore ¶ Doctoure I holde me content with thy conceite for this tyme / but I pray the shewe me somwhat more at large what is taken for a nude cōtracte or a naked promyse in the lawes of Englāde / and where an accion maye lye there vpon and where nat ¶ Student I wyll with good wyll say as me thynketh
the sayd sergeaunte in this case to haue execucion as appereth in the .xxiii. yere of kyng Henry the .vi. the fyrste Chapitre ❧ Also if a man be sent to pryson vpon a statute marchaunt by the Mayre / before whome the recognisaunce was taken / and the Gayler wyll nat receyue hym he shall answere for the det if he haue where with / if nat than he shall answere that committed the Gayler to hym / as appereth in the statute called the statute marchaunte ❧ Also if outrageous tolle be taken in a towne marchāt / if it be the kynges towne let to seeme the kynge shall take the fraunchese of the market into his handes And if it be done by the lorde of the towne the kynge shall do ī like wyse And if it be done by the baylyfe vnknowynge the lorde he shall yelde agayne as moche as he hath taken / shall haue enprysonmēt of .xl. days And so it appereth that the lord in this case shall nat answere for his bayly Westm̄ the fyrst the .xxx. chapitre And in all the cases before reherced where the superiour is charged by the defaut of hym that is vnder hī he in whose defaut his superiour is so charged is bounde in conscience to restore him that is so charged through his defaut Excepte the case before reherced of the hospitelers / for all that the obediencer hathe is the superiours if he wyll take it And therfore what recompence shal be made by the obeciencer in that case is all at the wyll of the superiour And nowe I entende to shewe the some perticuler cases where the mayster after the lawes of the realme shal be charged by the acte of his seruaūt / baylyfe / or deputie / where nat / so for to make an ende of this chapitre ❧ Fyrst for trespas of batery or of wrōg full entre into lādes or tenementes ne yet for felony or murdre the mayster shall nat be charged for his seruaūte / oneles he dyd it by his commaundement ❧ Also if a seruaunt borowe money ī his maysters name the mayster shall nat be charged with it oneles it come to his vse that by his assente / and the same lawe is if the seruaunte make a contracie in hys maysters name / the contracie shall nat binde his mayster oneles it were by his maysters commaundement or that it came to the maisters vse by his assent But if a mā sende his seruaunt to a fayre or market to bye for hym certayne thynges / though he cōmaunde hym nat to bye them of no mā in certayne the seruaūt do he according the mayster shal be charged / but if the seruaunt in that case bye thē in his owne name nat spekynge of his mayster the maester shall nat be charged onelee 〈…〉 bought come to his vse ❧ Also if a man sende his seruant to the market with a thynge which he knoweth to be defectiue to be solde to a certayne mā he selleth it to hym there an accion lieth agaynst the mayster / but if the mayster biddeth hym nat selle it to any persone in certayne but generally to whome he cā And he selleth it accordyng there lieth no acciō of disceyt agaynste the mayster ❧ Also if the seruant kepe the maysters fyre necligētly / wherby his maysters house is brent his neyghbours also / there an accion lieth agaynst the mayster But if the seruaunte bere fyre necligently in the strete therby the house of a nother is brēned / there lyeth no accion agaynste the mayster ❧ Also if a man desyre to logge with one that is no comon hostiler one that is seruāte to hym that he lodgeth with robbeth his chamber / his mayster shal nat be charged for that robbynge / but if he had ben a comon hostyler he shulde haue ben charged ❧ Also if a man be gardeyn of a pryson wherin is a man that is condempned in a certayne somme of money / another that is in pryson for felonye a seruaunt of the gardeyn that hathe the rule of the pryson vnder hym wylfully letteth them bothe escape in this case the gardeyn shal answere for the det shall pay a fyne for the escape of the other as for a neclygent escape and the seruaunt onely shal be put to answere to the felonye for the wylful escape ¶ Also if a mā make a nother his generall receyueure / that receyuoure receyuith money of a credytoure of his mayster makyth hym an acquytaunce and after payeth nat his maister yet that payment dyschargeth the credytoure but yf the credytoure had takē an acquytaunce of hym without payeng hym any money that acquytaunce onely were no barre to the mayster / onles he made hym recyueour by wrytynge and gaue hym aucthoritie to make acquytaunces / and than that aucthorytye must be shewed And yf the creby four ī suche case by agrement bytwene the receyuoure hym deliuer to the receyuour a horse or an other thynge ī recompence of the dete that delyuery dyschargeth nat the credytour onles yt be delyuered ouer vnto the mayster and he agre to it For the receyuoure hath no suche power to make no suche cōmutacion but his mayster gyue hym speciall cōmaūdement therto ❧ Also if a seruaunte shewe a creditoure of his mayster that his mayster sence hym for his money / he payeth it vnto hym / that payment dischargeth hym nat if the mayster dyd nat sende hym for it in dede / except that it come after vnto the vse of the mayster by his assent ❧ Also if a man make a baylyfe of a maner after the lorde of whome the maner is holden graunted the seygnoury to another the baylyfe after payeth the rente vnto the graunt that payment of the rent countreuayleth no attournant thoughe it were by fyne / ne shall nat bynde his mayster tyll he atturne him selfe / but if the lord of whome the lande is holden dye seased of the seynoury the baylyfe payeth the rent to the heyre of the lorde that is a good season to the heyre though the baylyfe had no commaundement of his mayster to pay it For it belongeth to his office to paye rentes seruice but nat rentte charge as some men saye ❧ Also an encrochemente by the baylyfe shall bynde the mayster in auowry if he had no commaundementte of the mayster to paye it ❧ Also if there be lorde Mesne tenaunt the renaunte holdeth of the Mesne as of his maner of D the Mesne maketh a baylyfe And after the tenaunt maketh a feoffement the feoffe rendeth notice to the baylyfe he accepteth his rente with the arrerages / this notice shall nat bynde the lorde ne compell hym to alter his auowry / for the office of a baylyfe stretcheth nat therto but he muste haue there in a speciall commaundement of his mayster Also if a seruaunt ryde on his maysters horse to do an erraunt for his mayster
a man at the comon lawe knowyng that he hath sufficient matter to be discharged in the chauncery that he may nat pleade at the comon lawe The .vi. chapitre Fo. 17. ¶ The .vi. questiō of the Studēt / whether a mā may with conscience be of counsayl agaynst the feoffour of truste in an accion of trespas that he bryngeth agaynste his feoffe of trust for takyng the profites The .vii. chapitre Fo. 19. ¶ The .vii. question of the Studēt if a mā that by way of distres cometh to his det / but he ought nat to haue distreyned for it what restitucion he is bounde to make The .viii. chapitre Fo. 21. ¶ For what thynge a man may lawfully distrayne The .ix. chapi Fo. 23. ¶ The .viii. question of the Student whether executours be bounde in conscience to make restitucion for a trespas done by the testatoure / and whether they be boūde to paye dettes vpon a contracte fyrste / or make the sayde restitucion The .x. chapitre Fo. 25. ¶ The .ix. question of the Student / whether he that hath goodes deliuered hym by force of a legaci be bounde in consciēce to pay a dette vpon a contracte that the testatoure ought / if the executours haue none other goodes in theyr handes The .xi. chapitre Fo. 28. ¶ The .x. question of the Student if a mā haue issue two sones dyed seased of certayne landes in fee the eldest dyeth without issue the tongest recouereth by assise of mortdauncestre the lande with damages fro the dethe of the father / whether he be bounde in conscience to pay the damages to the executours of the eldest brother for the tyme he leued The .xii. cha Fo. 31. ¶ The .xi. question of the Student what damages the tenant in dower shall recouer in conscience where hyr husbāde dyed nat seased / but she demaunded hyr dower and was denyed The .xiii. chapitre Folio 33. ¶ The .xii. question of the Student if a man knowynge a nother to haue right to his lande causeth a fyne with proclamacion to be leuyed accordynge to the statute / and he that hath right maketh no clayme within .v. yeres whether he be barred in conscience as he is in the lawe The .xiiii. chapitre Fo. 36. ¶ The .xiii. question of the Student / if a man that hath had a chylde by his wyfe do that in hym is to haue possession of his wyfes landes and she dyeth or he cā haue it / whether in conscience he shal be tenaūt by the courtesy The .xv. chapitre Folio 37. ¶ The .xiiii. question of the Student / if the grauntour of a rēte enfeffe the graūte of the rente of parte of the lande c̄ whether the hole rente be extincte in consciēce as it is in the lawe The .xvi. chapitre Folio 41. ¶ The xv question of the Student / if he that hath a rent out of .ii. acres be named in a recouerye of the one acre he nat knowynge thereof c̄ whether his hole rente be extincte in conscience c̄ The .xvii. chapitre Fo. 43. ¶ The .xvi. question of the Student / if a man haue a villayne for terme of lyfe the villayn purchaseth lādes ī fee he that hath the villayn entreth / whether he may with cōciēce kepe the lādes to hī to his heyres as he may by the law the .xviii. cha fo 45. ¶ The .xvii. questiō of the Studēt if a mā in the case next before enforme hym that is in the reuerciō of the villayn that after the dethe of the villayn he hath right to the lāde coūsayleth hī to entre / wherupō great sute charges folowe / what daūger that is to hym that gaue the counsayle The .xix. chapitre Fo. 47. ¶ The .xviii. question of the Student is vpō a feffemēt made vpō cōdiciō that the feffe shall pay a rent to a straūger / how that feffement shall wey in lawe conscience The .xx. chapitre Fo. 49. ¶ The .xix. question of the Studēt is vpō a feofement in fee / it is agreed that the feffe shall pay a rente to a straunger / howe that feffement shall way in law conscience The .xxi. chapitre Fo. 51. ¶ Howe vses in lande began by what law the cause why so moche lāde is put in vse The .xxii. chapitre Fo. 54. ¶ The diuersite bytwene two cases wherof one is put in the .xx. chapitre and the other in the .xxi. chapitre of this present boke The .xxiii. chapitre Fo. 57. ¶ What is a nude cōtracte or a naked promyse after the lawes of Englande / whether any accion may lye thereupō The .xxiiii. chapitre Fo. 61. ¶ The .xx. question of the Studēt if a mā that hath two sones one borne before espousels the other after espousels by his wyll byqueteth to his sone heyre all his goodes / whiche of the sones shall haue the goodes in consciēce The .xxv. cha Fo. 67 ¶ Whether an Abbot may with consciēce present to an aduouson of a churche that belongeth to the howse without assent of the couēt The .xxvi. chapitre Fo. 72. ¶ If a mā fynde beestes in his corne doīg hurt / whether he may by his owne authorite take them and kepe them tyll he be satisfied for the hurt The .xxvii. cha Fo. 75 ¶ Whether a gyfte made by one vnder the age of .xxv. yere be good The .xxviii. chapitre Fo. 76. ¶ If a man be conuicte of heresye before the ordinarie / whether his goodes be forfet The .xxix. chapitre Fo. 78. ¶ Where diuers patrons be of an aduouson the churche voydeth / the patrons varye in theyr presentementes / whether the Bisshop shall haue libertie to present whiche of the incumbentes that he wyll The .xxx. chapitre Fo. eodem ¶ Howe long tyme the patron shall haue to present to a benefice The .xxxi. chapitre Fo. 80. ¶ If a man be excōmenged / whether he may in any case be assoyled withoute makynge satisfaccion The .xxxii. cha Fo. 83. ¶ Whether a prelate may refuse a legaci The .xxxiii. chapitre Fo. 84. ¶ Whether a gyfte made vnder a condiciō be voyde if the souerayne onely breke the condicion The .xxxiiii. cha Fo. 87. ¶ Whether a couenaunt made vpon a gift to the churche that it shall nat be aliened be good The .xxxv. chapi Fo. 89. ¶ If the patrō present nat within .vi. monethes who shall present The .xxxvi. chapitre Fo. 91. ¶ Whether the presentemente collacion of all benefices and dignities voydyng at Rome belonge onely to the Pope The .xxxvii. chapitre Fo. 95. ¶ If a howse by chaunce fall vpō a horse that is borowed who shall bere the losse The .xxxviii. chapitre Fo. 97. ¶ If a preeste haue wonne moche money by saynge masse / whether he maye gyue those goodes or make a wyll of them The .xxxix. chapitre Fo. 99. ¶ Who shall succede to a clerke that dyeth intestate The .xl. chapitre Fo. 101. ☞ Addicion ¶ If a man be outlawed of felonye / or be attaynted for murdre or felony / or that is an Ascismus may be slayne by euery straūger The .xli. chapitre Fo. 102. ☞ Addicion ¶ Whether a man shal be boūde by the act or offēce of his seruaunt or officer The .xlii. chapitre Fo. 104. ♣ Addicion ¶ Whether a villayn or a bondeman may gyue a waye his goodes The .xliii. chapitre Fo. 106. ¶ If a clerke be promoted to the title of his patrimony after selleth his patrimony falleth to pouerty / whether he shall haue his title therin The .xliiii. chapitre Folio 108. ¶ Diuers questions takē out by the Student of the summes called Summa rosella Summa angelica whiche me thīketh are necessary to be sene how they stande agree with the lawe of the realme The .xlv. chapitre Fo. 111. ¶ Where ignoraunce of the lawe excuseth in the lawes of Englande where nat The .xlvi. chapitre Fo. 115. ¶ Certayne cases groundes where ignoraūce of the dede excuseth in the lawes of Englande where nat The .xlvii. chapitre Fo. 119. ☞ Addicion ¶ The fyrst question of the Doctour how the law of Englande may be sayde reasonable that prohibiteth c̄ The .xlviii. chapitre Fo. 120. ¶ The seconde question of the Doctoure whether the warranty of the longer brother that is takē as heyre bycause it is nat knowen but that the eldest brother is ded be in conscience a barre to the eldest brother as it is in the lawe The .xlix. chapitre Fo. 124. ¶ The thyrde question of the Doctoure / whether if a mā procure a collaterall warranty to extincte a right that knoweth another man hath to lande be a barre in cōscience as it is in the lawe The .l. chapitre Fo. 127. ¶ The fourth question of the Doctoure / is of wreke of the see The .li. chapitre Folio 129. ¶ The fyft question of the Doctour / whether it stande with conscience to prohibite a Iurye of meate drynke tyll they be agreed of theyr verdite The .lii. chapitre Folio 131. ¶ The .vi. question of the Doctoure is / whether the colours that be gyuen at the comon lawe in assises / accions of trespas and diuers other accions stande with cōscience bycause they be moste comonly feyned and nat trewe The .liii. chapitre Folio 132. ☞ Addicion ¶ The .vii. questiō of the Doctour / cōcerneth the pleadynge in assise whereby the tenementes vse somtyme to pleade ī suche maner that they shall confesse no ouster The .liiii. chapitre Fo. 137. ¶ The .viii. questiō of the Doctour / how the statute that was made in the .xlv. yere of kynge Edwarde the thyrde concernynge the tythe of woode maye stande with conscience The .lv. chapitree Folio 140. ¶ Finis Tabule ¶ Thus endeth the seconde Dialogue in Englisshe / with the Addicions bytwene a Doctoure of of diuinitie and a Student in the lawes of Englāde which treateth of diuers thynges that be shortly touched in the fyrst lesse of thꝭ present boke before the introduccion ¶ Imprynted at Loddō in the Fletestrete / by me Robert Redman dwellynge in saint Dunstones parysshe / nexte the churche In the yere of our lorde god M. CCCCC.XXXii The fyrst day of the moneth of Iuly ⸫
both ī lawe cōsciēce nat to the rent And the reason is bycause the lande by that alienacion is forfeyt by the lawe to hym ī the reuercion nat the rent ☞ Addicion ❧ Also if landes be gyuen to two men to a woman in fee / after one of the men entermarieth with the woman alieneth the lande dyeth In this case the woman hath ryght but onely to the thyrde parte / but if the man the woman had ben maryed togyther byfore the fyrste feffement / then the woman natwithstādyng the alienacion of her husbande shulde haue had ryght in lawe cōscience to the one halfe of the lande And so in these two cases cōsciēce doth folowe the lawe of the realme ¶ Also if a man haue two sones / one byfore spousellys another after spouselles / after the father dyeth seased of certayne landes In that case the yonger sone shall enioye the landes in this realme as heyre to his father bothe in lawe cōsciēce And the cause is / bycause the sone borne after spousellys / is by the lawe of this realme the very heyre / and the elder sone is a bastard And of these cases and many other lyke in the lawes of Englande maye be formed the Silogisme of cōscience / or the true iugemēt of cōscience in this maner Sinderesis ministreth the maior thus Ryghtwysenesse is to be done to euery man vpon whiche maior the lawe of Englāde ministreth the minor thus The inheritance bylongeth to the sone borne aft spouselles / nat to the sone borne byfore spouselles / then cōscience maketh the cōclusion sayth therfore the inheritaunce is in cōsciēce to be gyuen to the sone borne after spousellys And so in other cases infinite may be formed by the lawe the Silogisme or the ryght iugemēt of cōsciēce wherfore they that be lernyd in the lawe of the realme say that in euery case where any lawe is ordeyned for the disposicion of landes goodes / whiche is nat agaynst the lawe of god / nor yet agaynst the lawe of reason / that that lawe byndeth all them that be vnder the lawe in the courte of cōscience / that is to say inwardly ī his soule And therfore it is somwhat to meruayle that spirituall men haue nat endeuored thēselfe in tyme past to haue more knowlege of the kynges lawes then they haue done / or that they yet do for by the ignoraunce therof they be oft tymes ignorant of that / that shuld ordre them accordynge to ryght iustice / as well cōcernyng thēselfe as other that come to them for cōceyll And nowe for as moch as I haue answered to thy questions as well as I can I praye the that thou wylte shewe me thy oppinion in diuers cases formed vpon the lawe of Eglande wherin I am in doute / what is to be holden therin in conscience ¶ Doctoure Shewe me thy questions I wyll saye as me thynketh therin ¶ The fyrste question of the student The .xxi. Chapitre STudent If an infaunt that is of the age of .xx. yere and hath reason and wysdome to gouerne hymselfe selleth his lande with the money therof byeth other lande of greater value then the fyrst was taketh the ꝓfittes therof / whether maye that infaunte aske his fyrste lande agayne ī cōsciēce / as he may by the lawe ¶ Doctour What thynkest thou in that question ¶ Stud Me semeth that for as moche as the lawe of Englāde in this article is grounded vpon a presumpcion / that is to saye that infauntes commonly afore they be of the age of .xxi. yeres be nat able to gouerne them selfe / that yet for as moche as that presumpcion fayleth ī this infaūte that he may nat in this case with conscience aske the lande agayne that he hath solde to his great auauntage as byfore appereth ¶ Doc. Is nat this sale of the infaunte and the feffemēt made thervpon if any were voydable in the lawe ¶ Stud. Yes verylye ¶ Doc. And if the feffe haue no ryght by the bargayne / nor by the feffement made therupon wherby shulde he then haue ryght therto as thou thynkest ¶ Stud. By conscience as me thynketh for the reason that I haue made byfore ¶ Docto r And vpon what lawe shulde that cōsciēce be groūded that thou spekest of / for it can nat be groūded by the lawe of the realme as thou haste sayd thy selfe And me thynketh that it can nat be grounded vpon the lawe of god / nor vpon the lawe of reason for feffemētes nor contractes be nat grounded vpon neyther of tho lawes / but vpon the lawe of man ¶ Stud After the lawe of propriete was ordayned / the people myght nat conueniently lyue togyther without contractes / therfore it semeth that cōtractꝭ be groūded vpon the lawe of reason / or at the leste vpō the lawe that is called Ius gentium ¶ Doct. Though contractes be groūded vpon that law that is called Ius gentiū / bycause they be so necessarye so generall amonge all people / yet that proueth nat that cōtractes be groūded vpon the lawe of reason for thoughe that lawe called Ius gentium be moche necessarye for the people yet it may be chaunged And therfore if it were ordayned by statute that there shulde be no sale of lande / ne no cōtracte of goodes And if any were that it shulde be voyde / so that euery man shuld cōtynewe styll seased of his landes possessed of his goodes / the statute were good And then if a man agaynst that statute solde his lande for a sūme of money / yet the seller myghte lawfully retayne his lande accordynge to the statute And then he were boūde to no more / but to repaye the money that he receyued with resonable expēces in that behalfe / and so ī lykewyse me thynketh that in this case the infant may with good cōsciēce reentre in to his fyrst lande / bycause the cōtracte after the maximes of the law of the realme is voyde / for as I haue herde the maximes of the lawe be of as greate strengthe in the lawe as statutes And so me thynketh that in this case the infaunt is boūde to no more / but only to repay the money to hym that he solde his lāde vnto / with suche reasonable costes charges as he hath sustayned by reason of the same But if a man sell his lande by a sufficiēt lawful cōtracte thoughe there lacketh lyuerye of season or such other solempnities of the lawe yet the seller is bounde in conscience to performe the contracte / but in this case the contracte is insufficient / so me thynketh great diuersitie bytwyxt the cases ¶ Stud. For this tyme I holde me contented with thy opoinion ¶ The seconde question of the student The .xxii. Chapitre STudent If a man that hath landes for terme of lyfe be impanelled vpon an inquest / therupon leseth yssues
the waste ¶ Studēt ye verely ¶ Doct. And what is the lawe of tenantes for tme of lyfe or for tme of yeres if they do waste ¶ Student They be punysshable of wast by the statute shall yelde treble damagꝭ / but at the comon lawe before that statute they were nat punysshable ¶ Doctour But whether thynkest thou that before that statute they myght haue done waste with consciēce bycause they were nat punysshable by the law Studēt I thynke nat / for as I take it the doyng of the wast of suche particuler tenantes for terme of lyfe / for terme of yeres / or of tenantes in dower / or by the curtesye is prohibite by the lawe of reason / for it semeth of reason that whan suche leases be made / or that suche tytles in dower or by the curtesy be gyuen by the lawe that there is onely gyuē vnto them the annuall ꝓfites of the lande and nat the houses trees the grauel to dygge cary away / wherby the hole ꝓfite of them in the reuercion shulde be taken away for euer And therfore at the comon lawe for waste done by tenant in dower or tenant by the curtesy there was punysshemēt ordeyned by the lawe by a ꝓhibicion of waste wherby they shulde haue yelded damages to the value of the waste But agaynst tenant for terme of lyfe or for tme of yeres lay no suche ꝓhibicion / for there was no maxime ī the lawe therin agaynst them as there was agaynste the other And I thynke the cause was for as moche as it was iuged a folye in the lessour that made suche a lease for terme of lyfe / or for terme of yeres that at the tyme of the lessee he dyd nat prohibite them that they shulde nat do waste / and sythe he dyd nat prouide no remedye for hym selfe the lawe wolde none ꝓuide But yet I thynke nat that the intent of the lawe was that they myght lawfully with good cōsciēce do waste / but agaynst tenantes in dower by the curtesye the lawe prouided remedy for they had theyr tytle vy the lawe Do. And verely me thynketh that this tenant in tayle as to doyng of waste / shuld be lyke to a tenaunt for terme of lyfe / for he shall haue the lande no lenger than for terme of his lyfe no more thā a tenant for terme of lyfe shall / and the waste of this tenant is as great hurte to hym in the reuercion or remayndre / as is the waste of a tenant for terme of lyfe and if he alyene / the donoure shall entre for the forfeyture as he shall vpon the alyenacion of a tenant for terme of lyfe / and if he make defaute in a Precipe ꝙ reddat the donour shal be receyued as he shal be vpon the defaute of a tenant for terme of lyfe / and therfore me thynketh he shal also be punysshable of wast / as tenant for terme of lyfe shall ¶ Student If he alyen the donour shal entre / as thou sayst bycause that alyenacion is to his disheritance / and therfore it is a forfeyture of his estate and that is by an auncient maxime of the lawe that gyueth that forfeyture in that selfe case / and if he make defaute in a Prec̄ ꝙ redd he in the reuercion / as thou sayest shal be receyued / but that is by the statute of West .ii. for at the comon lawe ther was no suche receyt / and as for the statute that gyueth the accion of waste agaynst a tenant for terme of lyfe and for terme of yeres it is a statute penall shall nat be taken by equite / so there is no remedy gyuen agaynste hym / neyther by comon lawe nor by statute / as there is agaynste tenant for terme of lyfe / therfore he is vnpunysshable of waste by the lawe ¶ Doctour And thoughe he be vnpunysshable of waste by the lawe yet neuerthelesse me thynketh he maye nat by consciēce do that / that shal be hurtefull to the inheritaunce after his tyme / sythe he hathe the lande but for terme of his lyfe no more than a tenaunte for terme of lyfe may / for than he shulde do as he wolde nat be done to / for thou agreest thy selfe that thoughe a tenaunt for terme of lyfe was nat punysshable of wast before the statute that yet the lawe iuged nat that he myght ryghtfully with good consciēce do wast And therfore at this day if a feffement be made to the vse af a man for terme of lyfe / thoughe there lye no accion agaynst hym for waste / yet he offendeth conscience if he do waste as the tenaunte for terme of lyfe dydde afore the statute whan no remedye lay agaynste hym by the lawe ¶ Stud. That is true / but there is great diuersite bytwene this tenant a tenant for terme of lyfe for this tenaunt hath good authorite by the donour to do waste / so hathe nat the tenaunte for terme of lyfe / as it is sayd before For the estate of a tenaunt in tayle after possibilite of yssue extyncte is in this maner Whan landes be gyuen to a man to his wyfe and to the heyres of theyr two bodyes begotten / and after the one of them dyeth without heyres of their bodyes begotten / than he or she that ouerlyueth / is called tenant in tayle after possibilite of yssue extyncte / bycause there can neuer by no possibilite be any heyre that may inheryte by force of that gyfte And thus it apereth that the donees at the tyme of the gyfte receyued of the donour estate of enheritance / which by possibilite might haue continued for euer / wherby they had power to cut downe trees to do all thīge that is wast / as tenant ī fee simple myght and that authorite was as stronge in the lawe as if the lessour that maketh a lease for terme of lyfe say by expresse wordes in the lease that the lesse shall nat be punysshable of waste And therfore if the donour in this case had graunted to the donees that they shulde nat be punisshable of wast that graunt had ben voyde bycause it was included in the gyfte before as it shulde be vpon a gyfte in fe simple so for as moch as by the fyrste gyfte and by the lyuere of season made vpon the same the donees had authorite by the donour to do waste Therfore though the one of the donees be nowe deed without yssue / so that it is certayne that after the dethe of the other the lande shall reuerte to the donour / yet the authorite that they had by the donour to do waste cōtinueth as longe as the gyfte and the lyuerey of season made vpon the same cōtinueth and I take this to be the reason why he shal nat haue in ayde as tenaunt for terme of lyfe shal / that is to say / for that he can nat aske helpe of that maxime
hym no disobedience / for a disobedience implieth a knowelege of that he shulde haue obeyed vnto ¶ Student It semeth ī this case that he shulde be cōpelled to take knowlege of the sute at his peryll / for sythe he hathe attēpted to offēde the lawe it semeth reasō that he shal be compelled to take hede what the lawe wyll do agaynst hym for it / and nat onely that but that he shulde rather offre amendes for his trespasse than for to tary tyll he were sued for it And so it semeth the ignoraunce of the sute is of his owne defaute / specially syth ī the lawe is set suche ordre that euery man may knowe if he wyll what sute is taken agaynst hym / and may se the recordes therof whan he wyll / so it semeth that neyther the partye nor the lawe be nat bounden to gyue hym no knowlege therin And ouer this I wolde somwhat moue ferther in this mater thus That though the acciō were vntrue / the defendaūt nat gylthy / that yet the goodes be forfeyted to the kyng for his nat apparaūce in lawe also in consciēce / that for this cause / the kyng as souereyne hed of the lawe is boūden of iustice to graūt such writtes and such ꝓcesses as be oppoynted in the lawe to euery ꝑsone that wyll complayne be his surmyse true or false / there vpon the kynge of iustice oweth as well to make processe to bryng the defendaunt to answere whā he is nat gyltye as whan he is gyltie / thā whā there is no maxime in the lawe that if a man be outlawed in suche maner as before apꝑeth that he shall forfayte all his goodes to the kynge / maketh no excepciō whether the acciō be true or vntrue / it semeth that the sayd maxime more regardeth the generall ministracion of iustice than the particuler ryght of the party that therfore the property by the outlawry by the sayd maxime ordeyned for ministracion of iustice is altered and is gyuen to the kynge as byfore appereth / that both in lawe and cōscience as wel as if the accion were true And than the ꝑtie that is so outlawed is dryuen to sue for his remedy agaynste hym that hath so caused hym to be outlawed vpon an vntrue acciō ¶ Doct. If he haue nat sufficient to make recompence or dye before recouere can be had / what remedy is than ¶ Student I thynke no remedy / and for a ferther declaracion in this case and in suche other lyke cases where the propertie of goodes maye be altered without assēt of the owner it is to cōsydre that the ꝓpertie of goodꝭ be nat gyuē to the owners directly by the law of reason nor by the lawe of god but by the lawe of man / is suffred by the lawe of reason by the law of god so to be For at the begynnyng al goodꝭ were in comō / but after they were brought by the lawe of man into a certeyne ꝓpertie so that euery man myght knowe his owne thā whan such ꝓpertie is gyuē by the law of mā the same lawe may assigne such cōdiciōs vpō the ꝓpertie as it lysteth / so they be nat agaynst the lawe of god ne the lawe of reason / and may lawfully take away that it gyueth / appoynt howe longe the ꝓperty shall continue And one cōdiciō that goeth with euery ꝓperty ī this realme is if he that hathe the ꝓperty be outlawed accordyng to such proces as is ordeyned by the lawe / that he shal forfayte the propertie vnto the kyng / and diuerse other cases there be also wher by propertie in goodꝭ shal be altered in the lawe and the ryght in landes also without assente of the owner / wherof I shall shortely touche some without laynge any aucthorite therin / for the more shortnes Fyrst by a sale in open marked the propertie is altered Also goodes stolen and seased for the kynge or weyued be forfaite oneles appelle or enditement be sued Also strayes if they be proclaymed and be nat after claymed by the owner within the yere be forfayte / also a deodand is forfayte to whome so euer the property was byfore / except it belonged to the kynge and shal be disposed for the soule of hym that was slayne therwith and a fyne with a nonclayme at the comō lawe was a barre if claime were nat made within a yere as it is nowe by statute if the clay We be nat made withī .v. yeres And al these forfaytures were ordeyned by the lawe vpon certayne consideracions whiche I omit at this tyme / but certeyne it is that none of thē was made vpō a better cōsideracion than this forfayture of outlagary was For if no especiall punisshemēt shulde haue ben ordeyned for offenders that wolde absent them selfe nat appere whan they were sued in the kyngꝭ courtes many sutes in the kinges courtes shulde haue ben of smale effecte And sythe this maxime was ordeyned for the execucion of Iustice and as moche done therin by the comon lawe as policie of mā coulde reasonably deuise to make the partie haue knowelege of the sute and nowe is added therto by the statute made the syxte yere of kynge Hnry the .viii. that a writte of proclamacion shal be sued if the partie be dwellynge in a nother shyre / it semeth that such title as is gyuē to the kyng therby is good in cōsciēce / especially seyng that the kyng is bounden to make processe vpon the surmyse of the playntyfe may nat examine but by the ple of the partie whether the surmyse be true or nat But if the partie be retourned .v. tymes called where in dede hf was neuer called as in the seconde case oe the laste Chapitre of the sayd dialogue ī latyne is conteyned / than it semeth the partie shall haue good remedy by petition to the kynge / specially if he that made the returne be nat sufficient to make recōpence or dye byfore recouere can be had ¶ Doct. Nowe syth I haue herde thyne opinion in this case wherby it appereth that many thyngꝭ muste be sene or a ful and a playne declaracion can be made in this behalfe / seyng also that the plaine answere to this case shall gyue a great lyght to dyuerse other cases that may come by suche forfeyture I pray the gyue me a ferther respyte or that I shewe the my ful opinion therin / and here after I shall ryght gladly do it And therfore I pray the procede nowe to some other case ❧ The thyrde question of the student The fourth Chapitre STudent If a straunger do waste in lādes that a nother holdeth for terme of lyfe without assent af the tenaunt for terme of lyfe wether may he in the reuercion recouer treble damages and the place wasted agaynste the tenaunt for terme of lyfe accordyng to the statute in conscience as he may by the lawe if
this case that the party may haue an accion of trespasse agaynste hym that distrayned so that he is taken in the lawe but as a wrong doer / and therfore to pay the money agayne is the sure way as thou hast sayd byfore And I praye the nowe shewe me for what thynge a man maye lawfully distrayne as thou thynkest ❧ For what thyng a man may lawfully distrayne The .ix. Chapitre STudent A mā may lawfully distrayn for a rent seruice and for all maner of seruices / as homage / fealty / escuage / sute of court / relyefs and suche other Also for a rent reserued vpon a gyfte in tayle / a lease for terme of lyfe / for yeres / or at wyl / if he reserue the reuercion the feoffour shal distrayne of comon ryght though there be no distresse spoken of But in case a man make a feoffement that in fee by indenture reseruyng a rent he shal nat distrayne for that rent oneles a distres be expressely reserued / and if the feoffemēt be made with outen dede reseruyng a rent that reseruacion is voyde in the lawe / and he shall haue the rent onely in conscience and shal nat distrayne for it / lyke lawe is where a gyfte in tayle or a lease for terme of lyfe is made the remayndre ouer in fee reseruyng a rent that reseruacion is voyd in the lawe Also if a man seased of landes for terme of lyfe graunteth away his hole estate reseruyng a rent / that reseruacion is voyd ī the lawe without it be by endenture / if it be by endenture yet he shall nat distrayne for the rent but a distresse be reserued Also for a merciamente in a leete the lorde shall distrayne But for a merciament in a courte Baron he shal nat distrayne Also if a man make a lease at Mighelmasse for a yere / reseruynge a rent payable at the feaste of the Annunciacion of our Lady and saynt Michell the Archaungell / in that case he shal distrayne for the rent due at our Lady aye / but nat for the rent due at Mighelmasse / bycause the terme is expired But if a man make a lease at the feast of Christemasse for to endure to the feast of Christemasse next folowynge / that is to say for a yere a reseruyng a rent at the aforsayd feast of the Annunciacion of our Lady saynte Michel the Archaungell there he shall distrayne for both the rentes as long as the terme continueth / that is to say tyll the aforsayd feast of Christemasse ¶ Also if a man haue lande for terme of lyfe of Iohā at Noke / and maketh a lease for terme of yeres reseruynge a rente / that rente is behynde / and Iohan at Noke dieth / there he shal nat distrayne bycause his reuercion is determined ¶ Also if he to whos vse feffes ben seased maketh a lease for terme of yeres / or for terme of lyfe / or a gyfte in tayle reseruynge a rent / there the reseruacion is good and the lessour shall distrayne ¶ Also if a towneshype be amercied the neyghboures by assent assesseth a certaine summe vpon euery inhabitaunt / and agre that if it be nat payed by suche a day that certayne persones therto assigned shall distrayne In this case the distresse is laweful If lorde and tenaūt be / and the tenaūt dothe holde of the lorde by fealtye rent / the lorde dothe graunt awaye the fealtie reseruynge the rent / and the tenaunt attorneth in this case / he that was lorde maye nat distrayne for the rent / for it is become a rent secke But if a man make a gyfte in tayle to a nother reseruyng fealty and certayne rent / and after that he graunteth awaye the fealty reseruyng the rent and the reuercion to hym selfe / in this case he shall distrayne for the rent / for the graūte of the fealty is voyde / for the fealty can nat be seuered fro the reuercion Also for heryof seruice the lorde shall distrayne and for heriot custome he shall sease and nat distrayne Also if a rent be assigned to make a particion or assignemente of dower egall he or she to whome that rent is assigned maye distrayne and in all these cases aboue sayd where a man may distrayne he may nat distrayne in the nyght / but for damages fesaunt / that is to say / where beestes do hurt in his grounde he may distrayne in the nyght Also for wastes / for reperacions / for accomptes / for dettes vpon contractes or suche other no mā may lawfully distrayne ❧ The .viii. question of the student The .x. Chapitre STudent If a man do a trespasse and after make his executours and dye byfore any amendes made whether be his executours boūde in coscience to make amendes for the trespasse if they haue sufficient goodes therto though there be no remedy agaynst them be the lawe to compel them to it ¶ Doctour It is no doute but they are bounde therto in cōscience byfore any other dede in charite that they may do for hym of theyr owne deuotion ¶ Stu. Than wolde I wete if the testatour made legacies by his wyll / whether the executores be boūd to do fyrst / that is to say / to make amendes for the trespasse or to paye the legacies / in case they haue no goodes to do bothe ¶ Doctoure To pay legacies For if they shulde fyrst make recompēce for the trespasse / and than haue nat sufficiente to pay the legacies they shulde be taken ī the lawe as wasters of theyr testatours goodꝭ for they were nat compellable by no lawe to make amēdes for the trespasse bycause euery trespas dyeth with the persone / but the legacies they shulde be cōpelled by the lawe spirituall to fulfyl / and so they shulde be compelled to paye the legacies of theyr owne goodes / and they shall nat be cōpelled therto by no lawe ne conscience / but if the case were that he leue sufficient goodes to do both thā me thynketh they be boūde to do both / that they be boūden to make amendes for the trespasse byfore they may do any other charitable dede for the testatoure of theyr owne mynde as I haue said byfore / excepte the funerall expēces that be necessary whiche muste be alowed byfore all other thynges ¶ Student And what the prouyng of the testament ¶ Doctour The ordinarie may nothyng take by conscience therfore / if there be nat sufficiēt goodes besyde for the funeralles to pay the dettes and to make restitucion And in lyke wyse the executours ben bounde to pay dettes vpon a simple contracte byfore any other dede of charite that they maye do for theyr testatoure of theyr owne deuocion thoughe they shal nat be compelled therto by the lawe ¶ Studēt And whether thinkest thou that they be bounde to do fyrste / that is to say / to make amendꝭ for the trespasse or to pay the dettes vpon
haue the rent in cōscience shal be dryuen to sue for his remedy by Sub pena ¶ Doctour I am cōtent with thy conceyte in this matter for this tyme. ❧ The .xvi. question of the student The .xviii. Chapitre STudent A vylleyne is graunted to a mā for terme of lyfe / the vylleyne purchaseth landes to hym and to his heyres / the tenaunt for terme of lyfe entre the / in this case by the lawe he shall enioye the landes to hym and to his heyres / whether shall he do so in lyke wyse in conscienec ¶ Doctour Me thynketh it fyrst good to se whether it maye stande with conscience that one man may clayme an other to be his vylleyne / and that he maye take fro hī his landes and goodes and put his body in prysō if he wyll / it semeth he loueth nat his neyghbour as hym selfe that dothe so to hym ¶ Sudent That lawe hathe bene so longe vsed in this realme and in other also / and hath ben admitted so long in the lawes of this realme and of diuerse other lawes also and hath bene affermed by bisshoppes / abbotes / priors / and many other men bothe spirituall and temporall which haue take aduauntage by the sayd lawe haue seased the landes and goodꝭ of theyr vylleyns therby and cal it theyr ryght enheritaunce so to do that I thynke it nat good / nowe to make a doute ne to put it in argument whether it stand with consciēce or nat / and therfore I pray the admittyng the lawe in that behalfe to stande in conscience shewe me thyne opinion in the question that I haue made ¶ Doctour Is the lawe clere that he that hath the vylleyne but only for the terme of lyfe shal haue the landes that the vylleyne purchaseth in fee to hym and to his heyres ¶ Student I verely I take it so ¶ Doctour I wolde haue take the lawe otherwise / for if a seygnoury be graunted to a man for terme of lyfe and the tenaunt attourne / and after the lande eschete and the tenaūt for terme of lyfe entreth he shal haue there none other estate ī the lande than he had in the seygnourye / and me thynketh that it shuld be lyke law in this case / and that the lorde ought to haue in the lande but suche estate as he hathe in the vyllayne ¶ Stud. The cases be nat lyke / for in that case of the eschete the tenaunt for terme of lyfe of the seygnourye hathe the landes in the lieu of the seignourie / that is to saye / in the place of the seignourie / the seignourie is clerely extincte / but in this case he hathe nat the lande ī the lieu of the vylleyne / for he shal haue the villeyne styl as he had byfore / but he hath the landes as a ꝓfyte come by meanes of the vylleyne whiche he shall haue in lyke case as the vylleyne had them / that is to saye / of all goodes and catalles he shal haue the hole propertie and of a lease for terme of yeres he shall haue the hole terme / and for terme of lyfe he shall haue the same estate / the lorde shall haue the lande durynge the lyfe of the vyleyne of lande in fee simple of an estate tayle that the vylleyne hath / the lorde shall haue the hole fee simple / all thoughe he had the vylleyne but onely for terme of yeres so that he entre or sease accordyng to the lawe byfore the vylleyne alien or elles he shall haue nothynge ¶ Doctoure Verely and if the lawe be so / I thynke conscience folowethe the lawe therin / for admyttynge that a man maye with conscience haue an other man to be his hylleyne / the iugement of the lawe in this case as to termine what estat the lord hath in the lande by his entre is neyther agaynst the lawe of reason nor agaynst the lawe of god / and therfore conscience muste folowe the lawe of the realme / but I pray the let me make a lytell dygression to here thyne opinion in a nother case somewhat perteynynge to the question / and it is this if an executour haue a vylleyne that is his testatoure had for terme of yeres he purchaseth landes in fee and the executour entreth in to the lande / what estate hathe he by his entre ¶ Student A fee simple / but that shal be to the behoue of the testatoure and shal be an assesse in his handes ¶ Doctoure Well than I am contented with thyne conceyte at this tyme in this case and I praye the procede to a nother question ¶ Ttudente For as moche as it appereth in this case and in some other byfore that the knowlege of the law of Englāde is ryght necessarie for the good orderynge of conscience I wolde here thyne opinion if a man mistake the lawe what daūger it is in conscience for the mistakynge of it ¶ Doctour I praye the put some case in certayn therof that thou doutest in / and I wyll with good wyll shewe the my mynde therin for elles it wyll be somwhat longe or it can be playnly declared / and I wolde nat be tedious in this wrytynge ❧ The .xvii. question of the student The .xix. Chapitre STudent A man hath a vylleyne for terme of lyfe the vylleyne purchaseth landes in fee as in the case in the laste Chapitre and the tenaūt for terme of lyfe entreth and after the vylleyne dyeth / he in the reuercion pretendynge that the tenaūt for terme of lyfe hath nothyng in the land but for terme of lyfe of the vylleine / asketh counsayle of one that sheweth him that he hath good ryght to the lande and that he may lawfully entre / and through that coūsayle he in the reuercion entreth / by reason of the whiche entre great sutes and expences folowe in the lawe to the great hurte of bothe parties / what daunger is this to hym that gaue the counsayle ¶ Doctour Whether meanest thou that he that gaue the counsayle gaue it wyttyngly agaynste the lawe / or that he was ignoraunt of the lawe ¶ Student That he was ignoraūt of the lawe for if he knewe the lawe gaue counsayle to the contrarie I thynke hym bounde to restitucion both to hym against whome he gaue the counsayle / and also to his client if he wolde nat haue sued but for his counsayle of all that they be dampnified by it ¶ Doctour Than wyl I yet ferther aske the this question / whether he of whome he asked counsayle gaue hym selfe to lernynge to haue knowlege of the law after his capacite or that he toke vpon hī to gyue counsayle and toke no study competent to haue lernynge / for if he dyd so I thynke he be bounden in conscience to restitucion of all the costes and damages that he susteyned to whome he gaue counsayle if he wolde nat haue sued but throughe his counsaile And also
dyeth / where maye tho yssues be leuied vpon hym in the reuercion in cōscience as they may be by the lawe ¶ Doct. If they maye be leuied by the lawe / what is the cause why thou doost doute whether they may be leuied by conscience Studēt For there is a maxime in the lawes of Englande / that where two tytles ronne togyther / the eldeste tytle shal be preferred And in this case the tytle of hym in the reuercion is byfore the tytle of the forfetour of the yssues And therfore I doute somwhat whether they maye be lawfully leuyed ¶ Doct. By that reason it symeth thou arte in doute what the lawe is in thꝭ case / but that must necessarely be knowen / for els it where in vayne to argue what conscience wyll therin ¶ Stud. it is certayne that the lawe is suche / so it is lyke wyse if the husbande forfet yssues dye / tho yssues shal be leuyed on the landes of the wyfe ¶ Doct. And if the lawe be such it symeth that cōscience is so in lykewyse / forsyth it is the lawe that for execucion of Iustice euery man shal be īpanelled when nede requyreth it semeth reasonable / that if he wyll nat appere that he shulde haue some punysshemēt for his nat apperaūce for els the lawe shulde be clerely frustrate in that poynt And that payne as I haue herde is that he shal lese yssues to the kyng for his nat apperaūce / wherfore it semeth nat inconueniēt nor agaynste conscience though the lawe be that tho yssues shal be leuyed of hym ī the reuercion / for that cōdicion was secretlye vnderstande in the lawe to passe with the lease whā the lease was made And therfore it is for the lessour to beware and to preuent that daunger at the makynge of the lease / or els it shal be aiuged his owne defaute And than this pertyculer maxyme wherby suche yssues shall be leuyed vpon hym in the reuercyon is a pertyculer excepcyon in the lawe of Englande frō that generall maxyme that thou haste remēbred byfore that is to say that where two tytles ronne togyther / that the eldest tytle shal be preferred / so in this case that generall maxime in this poynt shall holde no place / nother in lawe nor in cōscience / for by this perticuler maxime the strengthe of that generall maxime is restreyned to euery intent / that is to saye / as well in lawe as in cōscience ¶ The thyrde question of the student The .xxiii. Chapitre STudēt If a tenant for terme of lyfe / or for terme of yeres do waste wherby they be boūde by the lawe to yelde to hym in the reuercion treble damagꝭ And shall also forfet the place wasted / whether is he also bounde in conscience to pay tho damages / to restore the place wasted immediatly after the waste done / as he is the single damages / or that he is nat bounde therto tyll the treble damages the place wasted be recouered in the kynges courte ¶ Doctour Byfore iugemēt gyuen of the treble damagꝭ and of the place wasted he is nat bounde in conscience to pay them For it is vncertayne what he shulde pay / but it suffiseth that he be redy tyl iugemēt be gyuen to yelde damages accordynge to the value of the waste / but after the iugement gyuen / he is bounden in cōscience to yelde the treble damages / also the place wasted And the same lawe is in all statutꝭ penall / that is to saye / that no man is boūde in conscience to pay the penaltye tyll it be recouered by the lawe ¶ Stud. Whether maye he that hath offended agaynst suche a statute penal defende the accion hyndre the iugement to the intent he wolde nat paye the penaltie / but onely the single damagꝭ ¶ Doctour If the accion be taken ryghtwysely accordyng to the statute and vpon a iuste cause / the defendant maye in no wyse defende the accion / onles he haue a true dylatorie mater to plede whiche shuld be hurtful to hym if he pleded it nat / though he be nat bounde to paye the penaltie tyll it be recouered ¶ The fourth question of the studēt The .xxiiii. chapitre STudent If a man infeffe another in certayne lande vpon condicion that if he infeffe any other that it shal be lawfull for the feffour and his heyres to reentre c̄ whether is this cōdicion good in cōsciēce though it be voyde in the lawe ¶ Doctour What is the cause why this condicion is voyde in the lawe ¶ Stud. The cause is this / by the lawe it is incidēt to euery state of fee simple / that he that hath that estate may lawfully by the lawe by the gyfte of the feffoure make a feffement therof And than whan the feffoure restrayneth hym after that he shall make no feffement to no man agaynst his owne former graunt / also agaynste the puritie of the state of a fee simple / the lawe iugeth the condicion to be voyde / but if the condicion had ben that he shulde nat haue infeffed suche a man / or such a man that condicion had ben good / for yet he myght infeffe other ¶ Doctour though the sayde cōdicion be agaynst the effecte of the stande of a fee simple also agaynste the lawe Neuerthelesse it is nat agaynst the intente that the parties agreed vpon and that at the tyme of the lyuerey And for as moche as the intent of the partie was that if the feffe infeffed any man of the lande / that the the feffour shuld entre / to that intent the feffe toke the estate after breke the intent it semeth that the lande in cōscience shulde returne to the feffour ¶ Stud. the intent of the parties in the lawes of Englande is voyde in many cases / that is to say if it be nat ordered accordyng to the lawe As if a man of his mere mocion without any recompence intendynge to gyue landes to another to his heyres make a dede vnto hym / wherby he gyueth hym the landes to haue to holde to hym for euer intendyng that by that worde for euer the feffe shuld haue the lande to hym to his heyres / in this case his intent is voyde / and the other shal haue the lande onely for terme of lyfe Also if a man gyue landes to another to his heyres for terme of .xx. yeres intēdyng that if the lessee dye within the terme / that than his heyres shulde enioye the lande durynge the terme In this case his intēt is voyde / for by the lawe of the realme all chatellys reall and personall shall go to the executoures / and nat to the heyre Also if a man gyue landes to a man to his wyfe / and to the thyrde person intendynge that euery of them shulde take the thyrde parte of the lande as thre common persons shuld his intent is voyde / for
the straunger be nat sufficient to make recompence for the wast done ¶ Doctoure Is the lawe clere in this case that he in the reuercion shal recouer agaynst the tenaūt for terme of lyfe thoughe that he assented nat to the doyng of the wast ¶ Student ye verely / and yet if the tenaūt for terme of lyfe had ben boūden in an obligacion in a certeyne sūme of money that he shulde do no waste he shuld nat forfayt his bōde by the wast of a straūger / and the diuersite is this It hathe ben vsed as an auncient maxime in the lawe that tenaunt by the curtesy and tenaūt in dower shuld take the lande with this charge / that is to saye / that they shulde do no waste them selfe ne suffre none to be done / and whan an accion of wast was gyuen after agaynst a tenaunt for terme of lyfe thā was he taken to be in the same case as to that poynt of waste as tenaunt by the curtesy and tenaunt in dower was / that is to saye / that he shulde do no waste nor suffre none to be done / for there is a nother maxime in the lawe of Englande that all cases lyke vnto other cases shal be iuged aft the same lawe as the other cases be syth no resō of diuersite can be assigned why thete nāt for terme of lyfe after an acciō of wast was gyuē agaynst hī shuld haue any more fauour ī the lawe thā the tenāt by the curtesie or tenaūt ī dower shuld / therfore be is put vnd the same maxime as they be / that is to say / that he shall do no wast ne suffre none to be done / and so it semethe that the lawe in this case dothe nat considre the abilite of the persone that dothe the waste whether he be able to make recompēce for the wast or nat But the assent of the sayd tenauntes wherby they haue wylfully taken vpon thē the charge to se that no wast shal be done ¶ Doctor I haue herde that if houses of these tenauntes be destroyed with sodeyne tempest or with straunge enemies that they shall nat be charged with wast ¶ Student Trouthe it is ¶ Doct. And I thynke the reason is bycause they can haue no recouere ouer ¶ Student I take nat that for the reason but that it is an olde reasonable maxime ī the lawe that they shuld be discharged ī those cases / how be it some wyll saye that in those cases the lawe of reason doth discharge them therfore they saye that if a statute were made that they shulde be charged in those cases of wast that the statute were agaynst reason and nat to be obserued / but yet neuertheles I take it nat so / for they myght refuse to take suche estate if they wolde / and if they wyll take the state after the lawe made it semeth reasonable that they take it with the charge and with the condicion that is appoynted therto by the lawe thoughe hurte myght folowe to thē afterward therby / for it is oftentymes sene ī the lawe that the lawe doth suffre him to haue hurt without helpe of the lawe that wyll wylfully renne into it of his owne acte nat cōpelled therto and aiugeth it is folly so to renne into it / for whiche folly he shall also be many tymes without remedy in conscience As if a man take landes for terme of lyfe and byndeth hym selfe by obligacion that he shall leue the lande in as good case as he founde it / if the houses be after blowē downe with tempest or destroyed with straunge enemies as in the case that thou hast put byfore he shal be boūde to repayre them or els he shall forfayte his obligaciō in lawe conscience bycause it is his owne acte to bynde hī to it / yet the lawe wolde nat haue bounde hym therto as thou hast sayd byfore So me thīketh that the cause why the sayd tenauntes be discharged in the lawe in an accion of wast whā the houses be destroyed by sodeyne tempest or by straunge enemyes is by a speciall reasonable maxime in the lawe / wherby they be excepted fro the other generall bonde byfore reherced / that is to saye they shall at theyr peryl se that no waste shal be done and nat by the lawe of reason / and syth there is no maxime in this case to helpe this tenaunt ne that he can nat be holpē by the lawe of reason / it semeth that he shal be charged in this case by his owne acte bothe in lawe conscience whether the straunger be able to recompence hym or nat ¶ Doctour I doute ī this case whether the maxime that thou spekest of be reasonable or nat / that is to say / that tenauntes by the curtesye tenauntes in dower were bounden by the comon lawe lawe that they shulde do no waste them selfe / and ouer that at theyr peryll to se that no waste shulde be done by none other For that lawe semeth nat reasonable that byndeth a man to an impossibilite And it is impossible to preuent that no wast shal be done by straungers / for it may be sodeynly done ī the nyght that the tenaūtꝭ can haue no notice of / or by great power that they be nat able to resyste / and therfore me thīketh they ought nat to be charged in those cases for the waste / without they may haue good remedy ouer and thā percase the sayd maxime were sufferable / els my thynketh it is maxime agaīst reason ¶ Studēt As I haue sayd before no man shal be compelled to take that bōde vpon hym but he that wyll take the lande and if he wyll take the lande it is reasō he take the charge as the lawe hath appoynted with it / and thā if any hurte growe to hym therby it is throughe his owne acte and his owne assent / for he myght haue refused the lease if he wolde ¶ Doctoure Thoughe a man may refuse to take estate for terme of lyfe or for terme of yeres / and a womā may refuse to take her dower yet tenaūt by the curtesy can nat refuse to take his estate for immedeatly after the deth of his wyfe the possession abideth styll ī hym by the acte of the lawe without entre / and thā I put the case that after the deth of his wyfe he wolde weyue the possessiō after wast were done by a straūger whether thīkest thou that he shuld answere to the wast ¶ Stu. I thynke he shulde by the lawe ¶ Doct. And howe stādeth that with reasō / seyng there is no defaut ī hī ¶ Stu. It was his defaut / at his owne peryll that he wolde marye an enheritrice whervpon such daūger myght folowe ¶ Doc. I put case that he were withī age at the mariage or that the lāde discēded to his wyfe aft he maried her Stu. there thou mouest a 〈◊〉 doute than the fyrste question is /
though it were as thou sayst / yet thou cannest nat say but that there is as great defaut in hī as is in hym in the reuercion / that there is as great reason why he shulde be charged with the waste as that he in the reuercion shulde be disherited and haue no maner remedy ne yet no profytte of the lande as the other hathe / and thoughe he sayd maxime may be thought very streyt to the sayd tenauntes yet is it for to be fauoured as moche as may be reasonably / bycause it helpeth moche the comon welthe / for it hurteth the comon welthe greately whan wodes and houses ben destroyed / if they shulde answere for no waste / but for waste done by them selfe there myght be waste done by straungers by theyr cōmaūdemēt or assent in suche colourable maner that they ī the reuercion shulde neuer haue ꝓfe of theyr assent ¶ Doctoure I am cōtent thyne opinion stande for this tyme / and I praye the nowe procede to a nother question ❧ The fourth question of the student The .v. Chapitre STudente If he that is the very heyre be certified by the ordinarie bastarde and after bryng an accion as heyre agaynste an other ꝑsone / whether may any man knowyng the trouthe be of counsayle with the tenaunt and plede the sayd certificate agaynst the demaundaunt by conscience or nat ¶ Doctoure Is the lawe in this case that al other against whome the demaundaunt hathe tytle shall take aduātage of this certificate as well as he at whose sute he is certified bastarde ¶ Student ye verely / that for two causes / wher of the one is this There is an old maxime in the lawe that a mischyfe shal be rather suffred thā an inconueniēce / than in this case if a nother writte shuld afterwarde be sent to a nother bysshope ī an other accion to certifie wether he were bastarde or nat / peraduenture that bysshope wolde certifie that he were mulier / that is to say lawfully begotten and than he shulde recouer as heyre / and so he shulde in one selfe court be taken as mulier bastarde / for auoydynge of whiche contrariosyte the lawe wyll suffre no mo wrytes to go forth in that case / and suffreth also all men to take aduauntage of that certificate rather thā to suffre suche a contradicion in the courte whiche in the lawe called an inconueniēce / the other cause is bycause this certificate of the bysshope is the hyest trial that is ī the law ī this behalfe But this is nat vnderstāde but where bastardy is layde in one that is ꝑty to the wryt / for if bastardy be layde in one that is estrāge to the writ as ī a vouch pray en ayde or suche other / than that bastardy shal be tried by .xii. mē by which triall he ī whome the bastardy is layde shall nat be cōcluded bycause he is nat priue to the trial may haue no attaīt / but he that is ꝑty to the issue may haue attaint / therfore he shal be cōcluded none other but he for as moche as the sayd maxime was or deyned to eschewe an incōueniēcy as byfore apꝑeth it semeth that euery man lerned may with cōsciēce plede the said certificate for auoydyng therof / gyue coūsaill therin to the ꝑty accordyng vnto the lawe for els the sayd incōueniēcy must nedely folowe But yet neuertheles I do nat meane therby that the party may after whan he hath barred the demaūdāt by the sayd certificate reteine the lande in cōsciēce by reason of the sayd certificate / for though ther be no lawe to cōpel hym to restore it / yet I thynke well that in cōscience he is bounde to restore it / if he knowe that the demaundaūt is the very true heyre wherof I haue put diuerse cases lyke in the .xvii. chapi of our fyrst dialogue ī latyn but my entēt is that a mā lerned ī the lawe ī this case other lyke may with cōsciēce gyue his counsayle accordynge to the lawe in auoydyng of such thyngꝭ as the lawe thynke it shuld for a resonable cause be eschewed ¶ Doc. Though he that doth nat know whether he be bastarde or nat may gyue his counsayle also plede the sayd certificate yet I thynke that he that doth knowe hym selfe to be the very true heyre may nat plede it / that is for two causes Wherof the one is this Euery man is bounde by the lawe of reason to do as he wolde be done to / but I thynke that if he that pledeth that certificate were in lyke case he wold thynke that no mā knowyng the sayd certificate to be vntrue myght with conscience plede it agaynst hī / wherfore no more may he plede it agaynst none other The other cause is this / although the certificate be pleded yet is the tenaunt boūden in conscience to make restitucion therof as thou hast sayd thy selfe / thā in case that he wolde nat make restitucion / than he that pleadeth the plee shulde renne therby in lyke offence / for he hathe holpen to set the other man in suche a liberty that he may chose whether he wil restore the lāde or nat / and so he shulde put hym selfe to the ieoparty of a nother mannes conscience And it is wryten Ecclesiasti .iii. Qui amat periculum peribit in illo That is / he that wylfully wyll put hī selfe in ieoparty to offende shal perysshe therin / and therfore it is the surest way to eschew perylles / fro hym that knoweth that he is heyre nat to plede it / and as for the inconuenience that thou sayest must nedely folowe but the certificate be pleded as to that it may be answered that it maye be pleded by some other that knoweth nat that he is very heyre / and if the case be so farre put that there is none other lerned there but he than me thynketh that he shall rather suffre the sayd inconuenience than to hurt his owne conscience / for alwaye charite beginneth at him selfe so euery man ought to suffre all other offences rather than he hym selfe shulde offende And nowe that in this case I pray the procede to thou knowest myne opinion a nother question ❧ The .v. question of the student The .vi. Chapitre STudent Whether may a man with cōscience be of counsayle with the playntyfe in an accion of the comon lawe knowynge that the defendaunt hathe sufficient mater in conscience wherby he may be discharged by a Sub pena in the chaūcery whiche he can nat pleade at the comō lawe or nat ¶ Doctoure I praye the put a case therof in certeyne for els the questiō is very generall ¶ Student I wyll put the same case that thou puttest ī our fyrste dialogue in latyne the .x. Chapitre that is to say / if a man bounde in an obligacion / pay the money taketh none acquitaunce so that by