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A29197 A fair warning for England to take heed of the Presbyterian government of Scotland as being of all others the most injurious to the civil magistrates, most oppressive to the subject, most pernicious to both : as also the sinfulnesse and wickednesse of the covenant to introduce that government upon the Church of England / by Dr. John Brumhall [sic], Lord Arch-Bishop of Armagh and Primate of all Ireland.; Fair warning to take heed of the Scotish discipline Bramhall, John, 1594-1663. 1661 (1661) Wing B4220; ESTC R4624 33,023 44

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profane use of any perso● is detestable Sacriledge before God And elsewhere Gentle●●● Barons Earls Lords and others must be content to live 〈◊〉 their just rents and suffer the Kirk to be restored to her Li●erty What this Liberty is follows in the same place all things given in hospitality all rents pertaining to Priests Chanteries Colledges Chappetries Frieries of all orders the Sisters of the Seens all which ought to be retained still in the use of the Kir● Give them but leave to take their breath and expect the rest T●● whole reven●es of the temporalities of Bishops Deans and An●Deans Lands and all rents pertaining to Cathedrall Kirks Then supposing an Objection that the Possessours had Leases and Estates they answer That those who made them were thieves and murtherers and had no power to alienate the common Good of the Kirk They desire that all such Estates may be anulled and avoided that all Collectours appointed by the King or others may be discharged from intermedling therewith and the Deacons permitted to collect the same yea to that height of madnesse were th●y come as to define and determine in their Assembly judge whether it be not a modest constitution for a Synod That the next Parliament the Church should be fully restored to its Patrimony and that nothing should be p●st in Parliament untill that was first considered and approved Let all Estates take notice of these pretensions and designs If their project have not yet taken eff●ct it is only because they wanted sufficient strength hitherto to accomplish it Lastly by their own Authority under the specious title of Iesus Christ King of Kings and Lord of Lords the only Monarch of his Church and under pretence of his Prerogative Royall they erected their own Courts and Presbyteries in the most parts of Scotland long before th●y were legally approved or received as appeareth by their own Act alledging that many suites had been made to the Magistrate for approbation of the Policy of the Kirk which had not taken that happy effect which good men would crave And by another Act acknowledging that Presbyteries were then established Synodically in most parts of the Kingdome And lastly by the Act of another Generall Assem●ly at Edenburg ordaining that the Discipline contained in the Acts of the Generall Assembly should be kept as well in Agnus and Mernis as in the rest of the Kingdome You see sufficiently in point of practice how the Disciplinarians have trampled upon the Laws and justled the civill Magistrate out of his Supremacy in Ecclesiasticall Affaires My next ●ask shall be to shew that this proceeds not from Inanimadvertence or Passion but from their Doctrine and Principles First They teach that no persons Magistrates nor others have power to Vote in their Synods but only Ecclesiasticall Secondly They teach that Ecclesiasticall perso●s have ●he sole power of convening and convocating such Assembles All Ecclesiasticall Assemblies have power to convene lawfully together for treating of things concerning the Kirk They have power to appoint times and places Again Nationall Assemblies of thi● Countrey ought alwayes to be retained in their own Liberties with power to the Kirk to appoint times and places Thus they make it a Liberty that is a Priviledge of the Church a part of its Patrimony not only to convene but to convocate whomsoever whensoever wheresoever Thirdly For point of Power they teach that Synods have the judgement of true and false Religion of Doctrine Heresies c. the election admission suspension deprivation of Ministers th● determination of all things that pertain to the Discipline of the Church The judgement of Ecclesiasticall matters causes ben●ficiary matrimoniall and others Iurisdiction to proceed to excommunication against those that rob the Church of its Patrimony They have legislative Power to make rules and constitutions for keeping good order in the Kirk They have power to abr●gate and abolish all Statutes and Ordinances concerning Ecclesiasticall matters that are found noisome and unprofitable and agree not with the time or are abused by the people And all this without any Reclamation or Apellation to any Iudge Civill 〈◊〉 Ecclesiasticall Fourthly They teach that they have these priviledges not from the Magistrate or People or particular Laws of any other Countrey The Magistrate can not execute the censures of the Church nor prescribe any rule how it should be done but Ecclesiasticall power floweth immediately from God and from the Mediatour Iesus Christ. And yet further The Church cannot be governed by others than those Ministers and Stewards set over it by Christ nor otherwise than by his Laws And therefore there is no power on earth that can challenge to it self a Command or Domini●● upon the Church And again It is prohibited by the Law of God and of Christ for the Christian Magistrate to invade the Government of the Church and consequently to challenge to himself the right of both Swords spirituall and temporall And if any Magistrate do arrogate so much to himself the Church shall have cause to complain and exclaime that the Pope is changed but the Papacy remains So if Kings and Magistrates stand in their way they are Political Popes as well as Bishops are Ecclesiasticall Whatsoever these men do is in the Name of our Lord Iesus and by Authority delegated from him alone Lastly They teach that they have all this Power not only without the Magistrate but against the Magistrate that is although he dissent and send out his prohibitions to the contrary Parliamentary ratifications can no way alter Church Canons concerning the Worship of God For Eccclesiasticall Discipline ought to be exercised whether it be ratified by the civill-Magistrate or not The want of a civill Sanction to the Church is but like Lucrum cessans non damnum emergens As it addes nothing to it so it takes nothing away from it If there be any clashing of Jurisdictions or defect in this kind they lay the fault at the Magistrates doore It is a great sinne or wickednesse for the Magistrate to hinder the exercise or execution of Ecclesiasticall Discipline Now we have seen the pernicious practices of their Synods with the Doctrines from which they flow it remains to dispel umbrages wherewith they seek to hide the ugliness of their proceedings and principles from the eyes of the world We say they do give the Christian Magistrate a politicall Power to convocate Synods to preside in Synods to ratifie the Acts of Synods to reform the Church We make him the keeper of both Tables Take nothing and hold it fast here are good words but they signifie nothing Trust me whatsoever the Disciplinarians do give to the Magistrate it is alwayes with a saving of their own stakes not giving for his advantage but their own For they teach that this power of the Christian Magistrate is not private and destructive to the power of the Church but