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land_n	father_n	jacob_n	joseph_n	2,306	5	9.7122	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A52371	No popery, or, A catechism against popery wherein the heretical doctrins, idolatrous worship, and superstitious practices of the Roman Church are briefly yet plainly refuted, and the Protestant principles proved by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and evidence of reason / by a minister of the Gospell.	Minister of the Gospell.	1682 (1682)	Wing N1187; ESTC R19866	57,846	152

only with the service of Latria but may we not serve the Saints with the service of Dulia A. The word of God admits not of this distinction and Gal. 4.8 St. Paul condemns the Pagans that they gave service of Dulia to those which by Nature were no Gods Now however excellent the Saints are yet they are not by Nature Gods Q. But why may we not as well pray to the Saints in Heaven as we desire the Prayers of Believers here on Earth A. Because we cannot Pray to Saints which are at such a great distance from us and have not Ears to hear our Voice but we must acknowledge them to be searchers of our Hearts and to know the intended thoughts of our Souls which is to attribute to the creature that which is only due to the Creator 2. Chron. 6.30 For thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men Q. It is true there is none but God that can immediately know the hearts of men but Saints may know them when God reveals them to them as he did to Elisha what his servant Gehazi did to Nahaman 2 Kings 5.26 A. I grant God can do it but it is not sufficient to Pray in Faith that we be assured of the power of God but likewise of his Will but we are so far from having ground to believe that God will reveal the Prayers of men here below to the Saints in Heaven that on the contrary the Scripture tells Eccles 9.5.6 That they have no more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the Sun and therefore Elijah bids Elisha ask what he would before he was taken away 2 Kings 2.9 Presupposing that it would be in vain to ask him any thing after and God having extraordinarily made a Revelation of this kind to one of his Prophets to give Authority to his Ministery cannot be drawn into a general consequence for all Saints Q. Nevertheless it would seem that seeing God who knoweth all things they should see all things in God as in a Glass A. That doth not follow for the Angels who see the Face of God know not the time of the day of Judgment Matth. 24.36 And if they who see God should see all that God seeth and knoweth they would become Gods seeing that they would have infinite knowledge Saints see nothing in God but what is necessary to make them happy Q. Yet Jesus Christ says Luke 15.7 That there is great joy in Heaven over a sinner that repenteth then Saints must know the repentance of sinners and consequently their thoughts and inclinations A. Jesus Christ speaks not of Saints but of Angels as he explains himself verse 10. saying There is joy in the presence of the Angels of God over one sinner that repenteh Now we need not wonder that the Angels have some knowledge of mens repentance since they are sent hither for that end as the Apostle tells us Hebr. 1.14 Are they not all ministring spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation Q. But what say you of the Letter Elija writ to Joram after he was taken up into Heaven 2 Chron. 21.12 A. That Elija writ not that Letter after he was taken up but before having writ it by a Spirit of Prophesie and left it on the Earth and so was given afterwards to Joram by some Prophets to whom Elijah had committed it Q. Nevertheless glorified Saints must have some knowlege of the condition af Believers here on Earth since they take care for their Salvation and St. Peter promises to Believers 2 Epist 1.15 That after his death he would endeavour that they might remember the things that he had taught them A. This passage is not well and rightly translated so for St. Peter says not that he will endeavour after his death that Believers should remember those things but that they should remember them after his death Q. At least it is lawful to Serve and Pray to Angels which assist us and are near to us A. Not at all for Revel 22.9 and 19.10 St. John was going to Worship the Angel and the Angel rebuked him and took him up saying See thou do it not I am thy fellow servant worship God and St. Paul rejects Worshipping of Angels as superstitions Col. 2.18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of Angels intruding into those things which he hath not seen Q. Yet we see that under the Old Testament Believers have often worshipped Angels and Prayed to them Abraham bowed himself towards the ground before them and a little after Lott Gen. 18. and 19. A. I answer Abraham and Lott did not think they were Angels but men that were strangers for whom they make ready Meat therefore this homage was only Civil and acccording to the Eastern custom when they meet one another but when they knew one of them was the Lord they Worshipped him and Prayed to him likewise as God Q. What think you of this passage in Gen. 48.16 Where Jacob dying blesses after this manner the children of Joseph The Angel which redeemed me from all evil bless the Lads and let my name be named on them and the names of my Fathers Abraham and Isaac for it would seem that in this passage Jacob prays to an Angel and that he would have the children of Joseph pray to Abraham and Isaac A. I answer this was no Created Angel but Jesus Christ whom Malachie calls the Angel of the Covenant Chap. 3.1 And one of those that appeared to Abraham and Lott who is oft times in the 18. and 19. Ch. of Genesis called the Lord and he with whom Jacob Wrestled Hosea 12.3 4. the Prophet says Jacob by his strength had power with God yea he had power over the Angel and prevailed and Jacob's desiring that his name and the names of his Fathers should be named on the Children of Joseph is not that he would have them to Pray to him and his Fathers but that the Children of Joseph to wit Ephraim and Manasseh should be called by his name as Children of Jacob and be partakers with them as two different Tribes which was observed when the Land of Canaan was divided but besides this it is in vain for the Doctors of the Roman Church to alledge passages out of the Old Testament for the Invocation of Saints since they think that the Saints were shut up in the Limboes of the Fathers and did not then see the Face of God which is the principal ground they have for their Invocation of Saints SECT XII Of the Intercession of Saints Quest WE being miserable sinners how can we draw near to the Divine Majesty if we do not imploy some of Gods friends for Mediators as when we will speak to the King we adress our selves to some of his Favorites A I grant we dare not approach to God but by a Mediator but we need not for that end employ Saints for if we have sinned