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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A56038	Proposals for raising a million of money out of the forfeited estates in Ireland together, with the answer of the Irish to the same, and a reply thereto.		1694 (1694)	Wing P3739; ESTC R4587	28,869	52

Selling of which 't is humbly proposed That the Gentlemen of Ireland may have Fee-Farms granted them of the Forfeited Estates at greater or lesser Rents according to the respective Value of the Lands by them taken which Rents so secured will be very well worth Ten Years Purchase As to the Value whoever considers that one Acre with another is Rated but at Two Shillings and that the greatest part of the Forfeitures happen to be in Leinster and Munster Land in the former of which by reason of its goodness and nearness to Dublin sets at the best Rate of any part of Ireland and the latter by reason of its Scituation for Trade has the best and quickest Markets in that Kingdom cannot but allow the Rent moderately set But when to this 't is added That the Number of Acres calculated are what are returned-by the Survey when in Truth each parcel of Land contains considerably more than what 't is surveyed at besides all the Land return'd as unprofitable thrown in all the Country Towns Villages good Houses Fisheries Wares Ferries Mills Fairs Markets and all the Timber and other Woods not being reckoned must be allowed that it cannot exceed Twenty-pence per Acre probably not Eighteen-pence There seems to be but one material Objection against this Calculation of the Forfeitures being worth a Million which is the Incumbrances that shall appear to be in these forfeited Estates To which 't is to be answered First That Incumbrances are pretended to be very much greater than they are where they are real Secondly Incumbrances are pretended where there is not the least pretence being old Debts trumpt up which have been long since satisfied or are such as would not have affected the Forfeiting Person or his Estate And it cannot be presumed reasonable that such should affect the Estate when forfeited but many such are let slip in the Crowd thro' favour or negligence But Thirdly All real Incumbrances will be supplied and more by the Incumbrances the forfeiting Irish have on English-Mens Estates if well examined into It may be objected That these Forfeited Estates have never yielded near the Sum proposed To which 't is answered First That the forfeited Estates have been set but from Year to Year on which Terms no Tenant would take in the Condition the Kingdom now is at one quarter part of the Value Secondly Some Grants and so many Custodiums are made that the Commissioners of the Revenue cannot know the Value of the Forfeitures Thirdly Orders are issued by the Commissioners of the Revenue to several Fee-Tenants setting forth That forasmuch as the Proprietors have been Indicted but not Outlawed nor have been yet Tried requiring the Tenants to pay their respective Rents to the old Proprietors by which means the said Rents are struck out of Charge in their Books Fourthly Several Persons of considerable Estates have procured the Reprisal of their Outlawries tho' within no Articles Fifthly The greatest skill imaginable has been used for concealing the real Value of the Forfeitures a most notorious Instance whereof appears in the Earl of Clancarty's Estate which was always accounted worth at least Six thousand Pounds a Year and was returned by an Inquest who were to enquire into the Value of it in order as is presum'd to the making a Grant thereof but at Ninescore Pounds a Year this is Matter of Fact and can be prov'd Tho' it seems plain that if the forfeited Estates of Ireland before mentioned be setled by Act of Parliament in England so as that a sure Title may be made to the Purchaser and that a just and fair Adjudication be made upon the Articles a Million of Money may be rais'd thereby Yet there is this further Addition to be made to what before has been propos'd which 't is hoped may answer any Objection that can be made as to the Value The Forfeitures in Cities and Towns-Corporate are very considerable but cannot be reduced to certainty there being no Rule to make a Calculation by The forfeited Tythes and Impropriations are likewise considerable In Cromwel's time the sequestred Tythes and Impropriations were set for Sixty thousand Pounds a Year Of the Estates then sequestred Two Thirds were decreed to the English and One Third to the Irish of which Third Two Fifths are supposed forfeited from whence 't is presumed that Two Fifths of their Proportions of the Tythes and Impropriations are likewise forfeited which at the Rate they were formerly set at comes to Eight thousand Pounds per Annum The Forfestures of the Personal Estates were great tho' very little has been hitherto accounted for The House of Commons in Ireland seemed of Opinion That if the Embezelments thereof were strictly enquir'd into a sufficient Fund would arise thereout for Discharging the Arrears due to the Army The Tract of Time and Mismanagement of that Affair hitherto has no doubt put a great deal beyond being retrieved but yet 't is humbly proposed That some part might be still recovered if faithfully and diligently enquired into All which put together 't is humbly hoped may be judged a very sufficient Fund for raising a Million of Money Fifty two Rebellions which the Irish have been guilty of may sufficiently evince that nothing can reconcile the implacable hatred of them to the British Nation and that the only way of securing that Kingdom to the Crown of England is the putting it out of the Power of the Irish again to Rebel Gentle means having hitherto always proved ineffectual and the Favour they received after being conquered in one Rebellion always laid a Foundation for the next The Rebellion that broke out the Twenty third of October 1641 was carried on with that Malice and Privacy as not to be discovered 'till the very Day before their Barbarity was to have been put in Execution and this at a time when the Papists enjoyed the greatest Immunities and Favours from the Government They enjoy'd the Free Exercise of their Religion in as Publick a Manner as the Protestants did They had their Titular Archbishops and Bishops Their Regular and Secular Clergy and publick Nunneries That had likewise an equal share with the Protestants in the Civil Power by being Justices of the Peace Sheriffs of Counties and without Discrimination Members of a Parliament then in being All which Advantages were by them thought too little to tye their Fidelity to the Crown of England This Rebellion besides the many Thousand British Protestants Lives lost cost Ten Millions seven hundred seventy eight thousand thirty one Pounds Sterling over-and-above the Loss sustained by the British Protestants computed in the whole at Twenty two Millions And tho' in the late Rebellion the Protestants were not massacred yet 't is notoriously known that their Deliverance is no way due to the Temper of the Irish Papists being altered but to the Hopes the late King James had of returning into England which must have been wholly taken away by snewing the People of England what they might

as he is restored to his Estate to bar any Protestants Remainder and why the King should be in a worse condition than the Forfeiting Person would have been had he not forfeited I doubt will puzzle you to find a Reason for 12. Again with your Positive Determinations without answering one tittle of the Objections made against any Calculation that is or can be made by the Commissioners of the Revenue of Ireland 'T was indeed more prudent in you to slide this over than 't would have been to endeavour an Answer But be the Premises what they will you are sure to hold your Conclusion This Expedient will not answer the End ipse dixit You might in modesty have left out the words 't is plain when you have not given the least ground to think it probable but this is very plain that Six Thousand Pounds a Year returned as Ninescore at most for if I mistake not 't was returned but at Eightscore and Ten is foul play and many other instances there are of like Nature 13. Here you cut close 't is plain the Proposer and his Parties design is self-interest in taking Fee-farms and as plain that your great Concern is that the true Value of the Forfeitures may be known and the Government receive what they shall be given at good God! what Mettal are some Mens Foreheads made of How has this Act for Vesting the Forfeited Estates made Converts of the Irish they are all turned Williamites nay the most careful of their present Majesties Interest of any of their Subjects this is so gross that 't will not be swallow'd by those who would willingly believe some good of you if they could But Sir lest your insinuation of Self-interest in the Proposer and his Party should gain on some I 'll explain it to you Those who were willing to compass what you aim at that the Forfeitures of Ireland might not be Vested c. thought on a more plausible reason against it than any you have been Fortunate in That whatever the real Value is there would not be found Purchasers in England because they could not be sure of Tenants for the Lands they should Purchase nor could they be very good Judges of the Value the Lands not being set That the English of Ireland were not able to buy them and that therefore it could not be depended upon as a good Fund for a Million of Money to obviate which Objection the Proposer offers this expedient of the English becoming Tenants which they will either do paying full Value or leave the Lands untaken as to the Parliament shall appear most advantagious to England their Design being truly that of securing the English Interest of Ireland from the danger of a Rebellion which they apprehend very near and likewise a Justice to the English Nation who besides the great Charge it has undergone for Reducing Ireland manifested the greatest Affection to the miserable Refugees of that Country by their great Charity whereof Twenty Six Thousand were for a great while together partakers many of whom must have perished had they not been thus relieved 14. Well moved you have robbed and stript us to our skins have put England to near Two Millions Charge and would now perswade us to pay your Reckoning The English of Ireland will chearfully give the last Shilling they have towards the Support of this Government not in the least doubting but that what shall appear indispensibly necessary for their Safety will be done and that they are unanimously of Opinion that what is now proposed is so will need no other Proof than that many of them wait the success hereof before they resolve on resettling in Ireland if it fail you and your Patty will certainly have some of the good Penyworths you say they bought for I can assure you to my own knowledge there are those that will abate of the first Purchase 15. How many who were born to little or no Estates have made Fortunes in Ireland I know not but dare confidently aver that for one such there are ten English Families who at the time of the late Kings Accession to the Crown liv'd plentifully and well now begging their Bread and with this condition of Life they have no great reason to be contented but what makes it insupportable is that the Persons who plundered and ruined them do at this day before their Faces unjustly detain and they are justified in so doing what they so injuriously took from them but whatever you carry by strong hand do not think to palm your falshoods upon us An Irish Act of Parliament of our own forming our understandings were become truly Irish if 't was so for who can imagine that the Earl of C. should be restored to his Estate and other Estates almost of equal Value added to it for betraying Sir William St. Leger Lord President of Munster into an Opinion of his Fidelity and procuring Arms and Ammunition from him which he immediately turned on my Lord President and the English had this Act as is falsly alledged been formed by those in the English Interest That Coll. F. P. who in the Court of Claims was proved to have began Murthering the English at Fourteen years old to have continued all along the Rebellion in Arms and whose Mother was hanged for Murther and making Candles of the English Mens Fat should be restored to his the Marquess of A. and a hundred more as notorious Rebels as ever Sir Philime O Neile was to theirs by which it was very plain and by woful experience we know that your Tryal of Ordial was no more than Pissing a Bed But this Rebellion of Forty One was you say only a Conspiracy of Sir Philime O Neal and his Accomplices I 'll allow it but his Accomplices were entirely the Irish Nation were not Men Women and Children Murdered in every part of the Kingdom at once and with that Cruelty as would make any Man of Compassion tremble to think on Was any place free Or did any escape who fell under their Power Did not one of the Heads of that Rebellion when apprehended boast That the design was so far advanced by that time as it was impossible for the Wit of Man to prevent it Was this then only a Conspiracy of a Private Man and his Accomplices 'T is but Fifty Three Years since so that some living Witnesses yet remain who has often put me upon thinking what the meaning of this publickly avowing so notorious a Falshood can be for which I could never think of any other Reason than that by handing down these Falshoods to Posterity the next Age may with as much Confidence assert the Truth hereof as many now do that of the Gunpowder Plot being only a design of Vaux and some few Male-contents his Accomplices 16. Not so fast in quest of Mens dying in Rebellion taken after their death against Law and common Sense if you enquire you will find the Law of Ireland to be so and