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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A57824	Tythes ended by Christ with the Levitical priesthood and therefore no maintenance for a Gospel-ministry, nor lawful for Christians to pay or take under the dispensation of the Gospel : being an answer to two reviling pamphlets written against the people of God called Quakers, because they refuse to pay tythes : the one by C.N. a Presbyterian, and the other by Cress Wheatly, an Episcopal priest : the said C.N. and C.W. are herein justly rebuked for their enmity and lyes against the people of God, and their arguments and plea for tythes considered and fully answered, and the people of God vindicated in their refusing to pay tythes / by the servants of the Lord, T. Rudyard and W. Gibson ; also a postscript by George Watt ; also some brief observations upon some passages in a book, entituled, Christ's call to professors, by W.G.	Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692.; Gibson, William, 1629-1684.; Watt, George, Lover of the truth. Tythes no Gospel-ordinance.	1673 (1673)	Wing R2183; ESTC R12032	26,888	46

Free Gift as thy words insinuate But 3. I answer Further What was in their Power to give as the Tenth of their Mannors c. or the Tenth of the Rents c. relates not to us but was free for them to give but to give the Tenth of Man's Time or his Labour c. was not their's and they could not intail it to after Generations as I instanced before and this is no Proof against us or Matter of just Exception against him Yet upon this Trivial and Groundless Exception attended with thy strained Observation art thou pleased to make Four or Five further Demands which as they require I shall return an Answer The Substance of thy First is Whether if we or thou should give a Ninth Part of our Estate to Teachers of our Perswasion pag. 10. and then sell the Eight Parts and abate the Buyer proportionably in the Price would not we accompt the Buyer a Thief that should take that Ninth and call it his own Tell me whether this be the Case Answ 1. I answer It s not our Case yet 2. I grant that I may sell or give a Ninth Eighth Seventh a Quarter or Third or what part or parts I will of my Estate and make him to whom I give or sell an Unquestionable Title respecting the Law c. as also the Remainder to whom I please provided hereby each knows his own then let them dispose of it to what Uses they please one hurts not the other But I cannot sell or intail the Labour Strength Industry c. of any Man to the Service of another or to Evil or to my supposed Good Uses But if he whoh as any of the parts tilling his own for that part or in Consideration of that Land according to the Mind or Will of the Giver Worship an Idol pray for a Soul departed c. or with the Increase and Profits thereof sacrifices to the Devil or Heathenish Godds it concerns not him who has the other yet if I sell the whole to one as all our Deeds of Purchase are having dedicated a Ninth or Tenth to one or other Godd of my Imagination this shall not obliege him to whom I have sold to Pray for Worship his Godd Labour for his Deity or such like to the Infringing of his Just Liberty or Imposing upon that Person whom God in Christ has made a free Agent to Labour for him All the Hours in the Day and the Dayes of his Life and to dedicate the Fruit of his Industry to the Lord only to whom he is accomptable So I agree a Ninth of the Land which is certain I may give or sell which is certain and partionable but part of Man's Labour c. neither give nor sell I can it s not to be partitioned or divided Man cannot serve two Masters God and the Devil for he 's wholely the Lord's I gave him not his Strength his Industry c. I cannot require it of him without his Consent I set him or Lease him Lands I may require it from him according to my Contract and do him no Wrong And here 's the Difference so that if Men have been so Wicked to give or grant or thou or we be so Wicked and Unjust to give grant or sell what 's not our own our grant is void and hurts not him whom we would Wrong And he that 's so Injurious is the Thief and Agressor and not he that denyeth to subject himself to such Injustice And this is our Case Thy Second Demand is but a Repetition of a former which had its Answer in its place pag 10. so I shall pass it over Thy Third Demand is Whether we may not as fairly teach such as are Tenants to Papists at this Day or to vitious Land-lords p. 10 11. to pay no Rents because employed to Popish or Prophane Vses c Answ I answer We neither teach others nor deny to pay our Rents to our Land-lords for being Vitious in their Conversation or being Papistical Episcopal Presbyterian c. in their Judgment nor doth the Evil Uses to which they imploy their Rents which we are not probably privy much less accessary unto when in their hands concern us or them as Tenants But Tythes if we pay we know the Uses and abet them and cannot plead Ignorance to God and Man as I may instance a short Case As if I delivered a Knife this day to one and to morrow he kill a man therewith I having neither been in his Counsel nor abetted such Action am not guilty of such Blood nor an Accessory in the Law But 't is otherwise if I give it to that End or abet such Design the Blood will then also lie at my Door The Case then of Rent to Land-lords and Tythes to Priests differeth in this the first abets not but is Ignorant of the Evil Use or Murder so Innocent the second knows them and is an Accessory thereto so Guilty of the Fact Therefore do we Pay the Former but Deny the Latter Again Thou queriest Do not Contracts between Buyers and Sellers of Land equally obliege as between Land lord and Tenant Answ I answer They do equally obliege I perceive this Query is but a Relick of the former mistaken Assertion in thy former Letter That Tythes are part of the Rents and Services reserved in our Deeds of Purchase which has Answer in its place And he that 's but a N●vice of a Conveyancer knows very well that there 's not one Clause in our Deeds that oblieges us to pay Tythes but to pay Rent to the Land-lord be sure there wants not such a Covenant in our Lease And further that I may explain to thy Understanding That Tythes for which thou pleadest and the Priest persecutes are neither a Reserved Rent nor a Tenth of my Estate that I never purchased nor a distinct Part that the Seller reserved upon the Sale to some other Proprietor as thou wouldst insinuate appears in this that they differ from the nature and tenure of all such Proprieties and Interests as for Instance 1. If I have a Third or other Part of a House Land c. which I have purchased I can have Writ of Partition for such part and know my own 2. If Land-lord I can enter and Seize for my Rent 3. If chief Lord of the Fee I can make a Distress for the chief Rent c. 4. If Title to any part of Land in others Possession I can bring an Ejectment or other real Action and Recover my Interest But the Priest Pope Presbyter● c. for Tythes can neither Distrain Re enter Seise Eject or Enter upon any man's Possession which shews the Mistake thou hast run upon throughout thy whole Discourse and that they have no such Interest as Tenth one or other part or just Propriety in our Estates as thôu supposest and doest unadvisedly suggest And here 's the mistaken Foundation thou hast unadvisedly built upon Thy Fourth Demand is rather

Priviledge which the Seller of Right had at the Time of the Sale yea as much as any former Heir or Possessor of the Land had hath or ought to have so I that purchase am in the state stead and place of the Right Heir and have all that he hath or ought to have In this Matter also thy Objection is of no Force Sayest thou If you or I came in by way of Purchase since that Injustice done had Abatement in the Purchase for the consideration of the Tenths therefore but Nine Parts ours and puttest a Case of two Fields of an equal value purchased one Tythable the other Not we pay a Rate accordingly Answ 1. Generally thou drawest a positive Conclusion from an uncertain Effect which is Falacious Argumentation Sayest thou If you or I came in by way of Purchase c. which concludes not that so we came in but might be Heirs Lineally descended which I shall now let pass and answer thee in thy own Sense more particularly 2. Then 2dly The Fallacy and Abfurdity of this Position of thine appears thus 1st As to the Purchase We never purchased Nine Parts of Ten as thou affirmest but the Whole with the Rights Members and Appertenances thereof For if but Nine why then do not the Decimators take their Tenth themselves I demand of thee if ever thou sawest in all thy Observation such a Deed of Purchase Yea further Had there been such a Reserve of the Tenth Part to the Sellor or Holy Church as the Pretenders to it termed thou hadst had Colour of Exception 2dly Consider what Tenth is demanded Not of the Land the Soyl or the Renewing Grass of the Field only which we purchased but the Tenth of our Labour Industry Vnderstanding Corn Grain Flocks Herds the Produce of whatever Care and good Husbandry with the Blessing of God improves toward a Lively-hood these were the People's or our's before Pope Priest or Presbyter had any footing in them and these we purchase not of the Seller of the Land So that if they have any Right in these it must be by that old Claim the Churches Jur● Divino as has been their Plea for many Centeries for our Labour Industry c. as before we never purchased at the Hands of Pope Presbyter Vassal or any others But 3dly Was this Injustice done our Predecessors Well then is it Just to intail it to their Heirs and Successors forever Was my Father and Grand-father oppressed by ill Neighbours must I therefore undergo the like Bondage and not seek a Remedy because they endured it That were offering Violence to Reason Say●st thou We had Abatement in the Purchase therefore it concerns us not to scruple at the Incumbrance Answ I 'll put one of many Cases Parallel to this Purpose then judge of it viz. In many Parts of this Nation particularly in Kent by reason of the many frequent Robberies committed on Travellers wh●se Relief is to Implead the particular Hundred or Neighbourhood where such Injustice is done By reason of the frequent Suits brought against them their Lands are sold 1 2. or 3. years Purchase under the Rate of their Neighbours Now I appeal to thee Whether it be Unreason●ble that the Inhabitants should concern themselves to prevent such accustomed Robberies because they or their Predecessors had a former Abatement in the Purchase Compare but the Cases and thou wilt easily discern the Complexion of thy own Assertion viz. That it concerns not us because we had Abatement The next Argument thou drawest is That ●e that conveys the Estate to us by Deed sells the Estate under such Rents Duties and Services as are chargeable at that time upon it and we that purchase set our Hands as Parties to such Conveyances implying our Acceptance of the Lands with all known Incumbrances of which Tythes are one Answ 1. I ab●●lutely deny as absurd that Tythes are Part of the Rents and Services reserved Purchase and admire thou shouldst impose that upon thy Reader which probably thou must or mayst know to be clearly otherwise Read but the Clause in our Deed of Purchas● and it will explain it self viz. To be holden of the Chief Lord or Lord of the Fee or Fees of the Premises for the Rents and Services therefore Due and of Right Accustomed Ask but the meanest Man of Reason and he 'll correct thy Understanding if thou pleadest Ignorance in this Point So that I shall conclude this Head that Tythes being originally a Forced Payment by Injustice of Humane Laws which thou hast not evidenced to the contrary and that What is Vnjustly taken at first can never be made Lawful by Duration of Time or Possession which thou layest down and denyest not and is certainly true That whatever our Ancestors were abused in by Popes Bull● Tyrannical Impositions Vnreasonable Bondages of Prelatical Decrees 't is consistant with Reason we should be cased thereof and is no Plea or Ground for their Continuance Right being our Due not Bondage our Inheritance from Ancestors 3d Head Sayest thou What Right by way of Purchas● To answer this it being an Appendent upon the former thither thou referrest thy Reader back rather Repeating then Adding to what was said before alledging Our Ancestors purchased their Lands with this Imposition of Tythes Answ 1. I answer That they were Rightfully imposed or Justly settled there 's nothing offered but much to the Contrary And that our Ancestors could purchase Injustice and intail it to their Successors I absolutely deny and thou provest not If that were practicable what would have become of their Successors by this day Reflect at Leasure upon those Violations of the People's Liberties that have in former Ages been frequently acted upon the Stage of this Nation some of them under Colour of Law See Cook 2 Inst by no less then by an Act of Parliament Mag. Charta yet not Authority to Entail Injustice to after Generation 2. And if I purchase an Estate I buy it with all the Right Interest c. which the Vendor hath or ought to have in to or out of the same and if any pretends he has an Incumbrance upon my Estate he must evidence it was righly charged viz. That there was a valuable Consideration for such Charge upon it which certain I am none was given for this Demand or Incumbrance of Tythes Yea what Value could be given to part with what God gave Man and expects from Man to he knows not whom God requires his Service all the Day long Shall he work one or two Hours thereof for the Devil and answer God He was Hired as his Fore-Fathers were Hired or a Covenant was long since made with Hell and Death by some other Persons that had as assumed a Jurisdiction over us it concerns us not But a Covenant from us he never had nor can our Adversaries pretend it Where 's then the Reason for such Incumbrance So unless thou doest produce one whose Pretence to the Tenth of my

framed into a Resolve then a Question alledging although others have esteemed T●thes due to God of Divine Right c. thou hopest we are not required nor do we believe them Spiritual Answ I agree with thee we do not nor moral neither under the Gospel But to end this Paragraph thou tellest thy Reader That some think that if they were indeed Spiritual neither we nor the Priests would strive for them Answ A Quaint Observation And must we believe that those Spirituals of thy Cast should only pallate them if they were such If that be thy Judgment why so much Contest about such Carnals But I pass it to thy Fifth Demand Vnto F. H. his alledging That the Law gives no Man a Property but preserves mens Rights c. thou excepts That Laws are made for Maintenance of the Poor c. Answ I answer They are good Laws and 't is Equal and Just the Poor should have Relief And to give to the Poor was a Law before men made a Statute to enforce the Justness thereof which if Tythes had been to a pretended Preacher of the Gospel the Cases had been parallel which now hold no Equality But sayest thou The Author viz. F. H. hath not yet proved why Laws may not be admitted for Maintenance of Ministers as well as Poor Answ To which I answer Thou requirest a meer Absurdity of him What! to prove a Negative Wise Men will tell thee He who affirms must prove Make but good the Affirmity which hitherto thou hast not and we will grant thee the Negative It s a Task I question not when set about will cost thee Pains and there I leave it I have not willingly avoided any Question or Query thou hast put or desired Answer in but according to my Understanding given thee a plain Resolve to whatever might probably remain a Debt or Scruple in the Mind of thee or thy Friends concerning us and our Testimony toward God in this Matter That any of our Perswasion in London should have their Reason vanquisht in the Strength of thy Arguments as thou affirmest I assure thee it appears to me strange if not incredible I must be plain to tell thee I rather judge the Over-Fondness of thy own new Notions occasioned thee to mistake the Persons or their Judgments in this Case of Controversie And however thou mayest conceitedly term our Sufferings in this Cause Acts of Prodigality we know it s not for Self but for the God of our Life that we undergo such Spoil and Hardship from our Merciless Enemies And I must tell thee That I have not only weighed thy Arguments against our Testimony which have their Answer but also that Address thou makest to our Friends which without due Observation I cannot let slip the reading whereof brought to mind that Parallel of Judas his Salutation of our Saviour when he betrayed him into the Hands of the Priests Hale Master and kissed him So it pleaseth thee to give us the Appellation of thy Dear Friends and with smooth words to tell us Thy Soul truly pitties us when alas 't is but a Mask to cover that Face that would either Blush or wax Pale at such Actions The Wise Man tells thee He that Hateth Dissembleth with his Lip● and layeth up Deceit within him Prov. 26. 24. Whose Cause pleadest thou against us Into whose Hands wouldst thou betray us after thy smooth Salutation Is it not into such Hands as Judas did his Master why tellest thou us not Art thou ashamed in plain words to discover yea not improbable that's in secret reserve But it s not difficult to guess who desires to be Executioner What! thy Dear Friends and yet charging us p. 13 14. That under a disguise of Godliness for many years we have been highly guilty of those Wicked Sins of Stealing Slandering and Lying and what not yea insinuating That we are more Criminal before God and Man then Common Notorious Thieves And shall not we know what Mercy thou hast in store for thy Dear Friends after all yea sayest thou Malefactors suffer Death by Law for stealing things of small Accompt but your Robbery is oft of great Value p. 14. Here 's the Judgment which thou wantest a New-England Law to execute For the Laws here sayest thou are very Favourable Yes they extend only to the depriving us of our Civil Liberty Imprisonment of our persons and Confiscation of our Goods and Estates Life excepted too easie a requital for such Facts as thou wouldst make thy Dear Friends guilty of What shall be said to this but as the Wise Man That Violence covereth the Mouth of the Wicked and his Tender Mercies are Cruel Prov. 10. 6. 12. 10. If this be Entertainment for thy Friends what Quarter must Enemies expect at thy hands Much more might be added or returned upon thee but whether we or thou and thy Party have uttered a Reproach or Slander or are guilty of Lying Stealing and bearing False Witness against our Neighbour let God's Witness in the Unpr●judiced amongst them that have heard thy Charge and our D●fenc● give a Judgment And now I must tell I take it well from thy Hands or the Printer that have been so kind to place J. Wilfford's Letter to close thy Discourse notwithstanding it seems to thee as nothing to the Question I am satisfied the Simplicity of his will wound wher● thy Sophi●ry cannot and shall have a place in the Consciences of such who are at this day real Enquirers after the Good Old Way and Promised Land And now since I have been so fair to answer thy Question What Right the People have to Tythes judge it not an Unreasonable Demand to answer me Who has that Right thou denyest us Let 's know whether it be the Popish Episcopal Presbyterian c. Cause thou pleadest If thou be an Advocate to a Just Cause never be ashamed of thy Client How consonant the Cause is to thy late Profession in Civil or now Religious Matters I leave to thy own Consideration I shall forbear Reflection and request thee That if any thing yet remains wherein thou mayest suppose Writing or the Press Serviceable to thy Interest rather chose solid Arguments then severe Reflections to convince the Reader nor let thy Prejudice pass Judgment upon a supposed Offender till thou hast heard his Plea and Defence 't is possible his Innocency may correct that Prejudice which leads to False Judgment And to conclude remember the Wise Man's words It is an Honour for a Man to cease from Strife but every Fool will be meddling Prov. 30. 3. If thou hast done Foolishly in lifting up thy self or if thou hast thought Evil lay thine Hand upon thy Mouth the forcing of Wrath bringeth forth Strife Prov. 30. 32 33. This at present may suffice till I have thy Reply from him who is a Real Friend to thee and all Men Thomas Rudyard TYTHES NO Gospel-Ordinance OR A Justification of all those whonot only in this Age