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A85090	The false and scandalous remonstrance of the inhumane and bloody rebells of Ireland, delivered to the Earl of St. Albans and Clanrickard, the Earl of Roscomon, Sir Maurice Eustace Knight, and other His Majesties Commissioners at Trim, the 17. of March, 1642. to be presented to His Majesty, by the name of The remonstrance of grievances presented to His Majestie in the behalf of the Catholicks of Ireland. ... Together with an answer thereunto, on behalf of the Protestants of Ireland. Also a true narration of all the passages concerning the petition of the Protestants of Ireland. ... August 27. 1644. It is this day ordered by the Committee of the House of Commons in Parliament concerning Printing, that the books, intituled, An answer presented to His Majestie at Oxford, unto the false and scandalous remonstrance of the inhumane and bloody rebells of Ireland; together with A narration of the proceedings at Oxon, be forthwith printed and published: John White.		1644 (1644)	Wing F343; Thomason E255_2; ESTC R210053	139,001	137

yeares which were staid by the then Lord Deputy and Counsell upon great and waighty reasons of state as they then represented to your Majesty till your Majesty might be well informed of the truth of the case yet afterwards by your Majesties command Bills for Acts of Parliament to resettle all those lands in the Natives and other possessours and their heires were sent over under the great Seale of Ireland and returned under the great Seale of England according to Poynings Act and were ready to passe by Parliament there at the then next session and three other Acts parcell of those graces if the confederate Catholiques had not raised this fearfull Rebellion before the beginning of that Session which was appointed to be in November following And where in one of those graces it was desired that all distinctions betweene the Natives and Brittish might be taken away That was a thing most desired by the Brittish and Protestants But these Remonstrants have now shewed that they never so intended They were so farre from that as they have to their uttermost extirpated all the Brittish and Protestants although the English Governours in the Raigne of your Majesty and your royall father had by Statutes repealed thirteen severall old Statutes against Irish many of which were penall to them in a high degree and tended to destruction Touching the Complaints of false Inquisitions taken upon faigned titles and no traverses or petition of right admitted It is a faigned and scandalous information for when any particular Inquisitions were found either for tenures or title of land no traverses or petition of right as farre as Law would allow Vide the statute of 10 Caroli Cap 3 for the benefit of plantations were ever denied to the subject But where generall Inquisitions were found for Plantations in Irish Countries in respect they were for setling the people in a full peace And because the Deputy many of the Counsell your Majesties learned Counsell and chiefe Officers of eminent trust were Commissioners and alwayes present And that the lurors were alwayes the prime men in each Territory and the Offices most publiquely found by their free consent all parties fully heard And that those people had neither legall title nor evidences whereon to to ground traverses And by reason of the great difficulty to obteine indifferency of tryall for the Crowne In these cases which could at best but breed disturbance contrary to the true intent of those publique and beneficiall workes It was thought fit for quieting of those estates by Patents that traverses should not be admitted unto those graund Officers upon every light surmise but only upon good just and legall causes first made knowne and well considered of by your Majesties Counsell neither were ever Jurors sentenced for not finding any of those Offices except in the County of Galway in the Province of Connaught where the Iurors upon only willfullnesse would not find upon just and full evidence as appeared after in the Starrechamber And upon the same evidence Informations being filed in the Exchequor for those lands the prime Lawyers and many of the Gentry of that Countrey in their answers upon oath confessed your Majesties Title and so Judgment passed for your Majestie and seizures issued And afterwards in a Petition signed and preferred by all the Prime Inhabitants in that County your Majesties Title was acknowledged and a plantation desired besides in the Lord Faulklands time many of the prime men Lords and others in three other Counties of that Province tendred to your Majesty a Plantation upon certaine conditions appearing under their hands they well knowing the benefits arising by plantations and your Majesties just Title to those lands and being conscious to themselves of their unjust intrusion into them And touching the illegall avoyding 150 Patents in a morning by underhand working It is an untruth and as to their naming Sir William Parsons in this Article he was none of the Committee that considered of the Patents in Connaught or Munster where this must be meant neither had any thing to doe in that part of the proceedings neither were any thing neere so many Pattents ever questioned in Connaught and the Territories in Munster lately found for your Majestie which must be the places intended by this Article the debate wherof continued several moneths neither was any such course continued or intended to avoid other Patents except what was done by the means of one Iames Cusack Esquire on of his Majesties Counsell at law and Clark of the Commission for defective tytles A Papist Lawyer now a Remonstrant but where the parties in that intended Plantations brought in their Pattents as was required A Committee of some of the prime Judges your Majesties learned Counsel were appointed by the E. of Straford late Lord Lievtenant to view them And where they found them good as many were they were allowed where they conceived them void in law Counsel was fully heard where they confessed the same it was so agreed where they doubted they were left to tryall if they would stand upon it as few did This was done for avoiding of trouble needlesse charge neither was it a new course for in the Vlster Plantation the like course was found fittest and books of the Cases sent to his then Majestie and by him referred to the Judges of England and by them agreed unto and certified back and so the lands passed and in many other cases aswell for pretended grants of Customes Franchises and other things in former times the Cases were ruled by opinion of the Judges directed by the Deputies and in this Parliament both Houses required the Judges opinions on certaine Queries concerning the Government tendred to the House of Lords by the House of Commons but in most of all the other Plantations all Pattents whether void or otherwayes being not many were allowed and the Pattentees had regraunts for the most part of the same lands or if the necessity of the service so required it of others of like quantitie and value as neere as might be sometimes of better value paying only the old Pattent Rents and services except in some cases when generall Pattents being void in themselves were in Queene Elizabeths time made to Irish Lords of whole Countries upon false surrenders where possession did never runne according to their Pattents And in those cases also so much as they were possessed of were repassed unto them at the former rents and services And if these confederates had had as much care of the honour of the great Seale the publique Faith and just duty and service to your Majestie and your Crowne as those Governours Counsellours and Officers alwayes had they would never have broken out into this unnaturall and horrid rebellion having no just ground or cause for any such act Neither were the Ministers of State like to be advanced or like to be benefited by what was done or to be done towards that Plantation of Connaught and the

side if the same had been left to the order of the friends there would have been none to informe against them The Judges of that Court also did take order actually to pay many of those heires debts out of the heires estate in some cases 1000. pounds if the Wardship continued any time in other cases lesser summes as they could enforce the money received out of their friends the trustees hands who would often endure imprisonment ere they would pay it in They also often appointed portions for Daughters and younger children many times also by labour and suite preserved their estates from encroachment of friends and neighbours and secured for them their Leases Chattels and Debts if they could discover any And lastly tooke care of their Marriages as farre as they could and specially of their Evidences It is also manifest that the Compositions taken for Marriages of Wards Lyveries ouster le maynes Allienations and other contempts were very easie and moderate the values of the estates and the charges and incumbrances thereupon duly considered your Majestie alwayes receiving but a small part of what was justly due to your Majestie and in many cases lesse then by your Majesties instructions the graces was ordained It is also most apparant that if the heires were so under age as any way fit for schooling 6. and other good learning for which purpose by the care of that Court of Wards speciall houses honest and religious Overseers Schoole-masters and Ushers were waged and ordained many of the Wards sent to the Colledge when they were fit for it whereby they were all in the view of the Master brought up and instructed in the true Religion and in all other good literature and knowledge fitting their qualitie and by this meanes severall Noblemen and Gentrie are at this day good Protestants and loyall Subjects and for those that afterwards forsooke the Religion and became Papists if they be compared with any of their qualitie in the Kingdome their abilitie and behaviour will testifie their education farre surpassing the others bred in the Countrey All which severall cares as well for education as ordering their estates were in former times neglected and forborne and never any such course held And as to the disallowing of Tenures of mean Lords and avoyding of estates valid in law by unjust judgement It is a causelesse imputation for it is most apparant by the Acts of that Court that whatsoever could in law or conscience bee allowed unto them was done Nay whereas in former times when that part of your Majesties businesse had a kind of being in the Exchequer That Court did usually seize lands upon one De quo or an Ignoramus found of a Tenure of lands But when the Court of Wards was erected those Judges did never seize untill the second De quo which gave the Subject much time and libertie to collect and find out evidences or other matter if any were to helpe himselfe And if any losse and damage happened by those Judgements it fell on your Majesties part through tendernesse towards the parties so farre as the oathes of the Judges could permit In all which the Attorney of the Court is able to give good accompt on whose judgement in law the rest relyed And in cases where the Barre yeelded not to the opinion of the Attorney the Master by your Majesties gracious instructions called others of the most learned and grave Judges who upon arguments on both sides resolved the question and so the judgement passed Besides if differences at any time happened betweene the Judges of that Court They had by your Majesties instructions a resort to the Court of Chancery where they were to sit with the Lord Chancellour and other Judges and there was to be the finall determination where the Judges of the Court of Wards did only once sit on that occasion there being cause for it no oftner And there those Catholique Natives might have sought reliefe daily if they could have justly complained of any erronious and unjust Judgements and as to the swarming of Escheators Feodaries and Pursevants there are but five Escheators and eight Feodaries in the whole Kingdome which is farre lesse then the lawes of the Land doe appoint being all men of knowne judgement moderation and integritie And whereas in the Kingdome of England the heires friends doe with all earnestnesse sollicite those Officers for timely obtaining due discharges against the Crowne In that Kingdome such is the refractorinesse and disobedience of many of those pretended Catholiques as those Officers were driven to expresse them and attend severall disappointed dayes to their no small travell and losse and at last content themselves with bare fees And for Pursuivants there are but two belonging to that Court and their necessary servants And those never used but in cases of contempt And those contempts many times multiplied and in case of non-payment of your Majesties moneys the use of whom the Court were necessitated unto and could not forbeare unlesse they would contrary to their oathes suffer your Majestie to lose your Majesties legall and just profits And truly aswell may these Remonstrants charge the government with multitude of Sheriffs Sheriffs men Bailiffs other Officers by reason that men would not willingly obey the law deale justly and pay their debts and just duties by occasion whereof many were disquieted and attached many outlawed which concluded with their great losse damage But when these Confederates have summoned their inventions to infame that necessary and orderly Court they forbeare to expresse the true grounds of their grievances which are first the education of the Wards as well in civilitie as true Protestant Religion and other good literature which they generally abhorre Secondly that the Uncles and friends might not freely take into their hands the Childrens Evidences Lands Rents and goods and wast them without accompt as they had formerly done tending to the ruine of many heires Thirdly because the just and legall dependancie of the Gentrie is rightly settled in your Majestie whereof the Irish Lords and Chieftaines did in former times unjustly deprive your Majestie and your Predecessors and so labour still to doe Lastly because by the blessing of peace and good order your Majesties rights interests and iust profits were by your Majesties Judges and Officers more carefully looked unto and brought in which also is one true reason why these confederats doe so much hate peace and the government of the Laws because their licentious appetites are thereby somewhat restrained and your Majesties rights and iust Prerogatives maintayned as appeares by their actions In the fift Article the Remonstrants doe still inculcate pressures of purpose to scandalize that government 5. Article where in truth none such were of any moment other then that which was for the service of the Crowne and benefit of the Kingdome which they call greivances or where the publike necessities of the Kingdome iustly required it or the irregular carriage of

alia expressio _____ aut aliqua alia exquisita forma ad hoc servanda foret illorum tenorum praesentibus pro sufficienter expressis ac formam in illis traditam pro servata habentes hac vice specialiter nominatim et expresse ad effectum praesentium derogamus Caeterisque contrarijs quibuscunque Vt autem praesentes nostrae quam ad singula loca deferri non possunt ad omnium noti facilius deveniant volumus et earundem praesentium transumptis vel exemplis etiam impressis manu alicujus notarij publici subscriptis et sigillo alicujus personâ in dignitate Ecclesiastica constitutae munitis eadem prorsus adhibeatur fides quae adhiberetur praesentibus si forent exhibitae vel ostensae Datum Romae apud Sanctum Petrum 25 Maij 1643 Pontificatus nostri Anno vigessimo M. A. Maraldus It is Translated into English thus Vrbanus Octavus c. AD FUTURAM REI MEMORIAM HAving taken into Our serious consideration the great zeal of the Irish towards the propagating of the Catholick faith and the pietie of the Catholick warriors in the severall armyes of that Kingdome which was for that singular fervency in the trus worship of God and notable care had formerly in the like case by the inhabitants thereof for the maintenance and preservation of the same Orthodox Faith called of old the land of Saints and having got certain notice how in imitation of their godly and worthy Ancestors they endeavour by force of armes to deliver their thralled nation from the oppressions and grievous injuries of the Hereticks wherewith this long time it hath been afflicted and heavily burthened and gallantly do what in them lyeth to extirpate and totally root out those workers of iniquity who in the Kingdome of Ireland had infected and alwayes striven to infect the masse of Catholick purity with the pestiferous leaven of their hereticall contagion We therefore being willing to cherish them with the gift of those spirituall graces whereof by God we are ordained the only disposers on earth by the mercy of the same Almighty God trusting in the authority of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and by vertue of that power of binding and loosing of souls which God was pleased without our deserving to conferre upon us To all and every one of the faithfull Christians in the foresaid Kingdome of Ireland now and for the time militating against the Hereticks and other enemies of the Catholick Faith they being truly and sincerely penitent after confession and the spirituall refreshing of themselves with the sacred communion of the body and blood of Christ Do grant a full and plenary Induigence and absolute remission for all their finnes and such as in the Holy time of Iubilée is usuall to be granted to those that devoutly visit a certain number of priviledged Churches within and without the walls of our City of Rome by the tenor of which present letters for once only and no more we freely bestow the favour of this absolution upon all and every one of them and withall destring heartily all the faithfull in Christ now in armes as aforesaid to be partakers of this most precious treasure To all and every one of these foresaid faithfull Christians we grant licence and give power to choose into themselves for this effect any fit Confessor whither a secular Priest or a Regular of some Order as likewise any other selected Person approved of by the Ordinary of the place who after a diligent hearing of their confessions shall have power to liverate and absolve them from excommunication suspension and all other Ecclesiasticall sentences and censures by whom soever or for what cause soever pronounced or inflicted upon them as also from all sinnes trespasses transgressions crimes and delinquencies how haynous and Atrocious soever they be not omitting those very enormities in the most peculiar cases which by any whatsoever former constitutions of Ours or of our Predecessor Popes then which we will have these to be no lesse valued in every point were designed to be reserved to the Ordinary or to the Apostolick Sea from all which the Confessor shall hereby have power granted him to absolve the foresaid Catholicks at the barre of conscience and in that sense only And furthermore we give them power to exchange what vow or vows soever they were formerly astricted to those of religion and chastity excepted into any other pious and good work or works imposed or to be imposed on them and every one of them to performe in all the foresaid cases by a wholesome penance according to the mind and will of the Confessor Therefore by the tenour of these present Letters and by the vertue of that Holy strict obedience wherein all Christians are bound unto Us we charge and command all and every one of the reverend Brethren Archbishops Bishops and other Ecclesiasticall Prelats and whatsoever Ordinaries of places now residing in Ireland together with all Vicars substitutes and officials under them or these failing We command all such to whom in those places the care of souls is incumbent that as soon as they shall have received the copies of these Our Letters they shall forthwith without any stop or delay publish them and cause them to be published thoroughout all their Churches Diocesses Provinces Countrys Cities Townes Lands Villages and places whatsoever Nevertheles we do not intend by these present Letters where any publick or secret irregularity is made known or any defection apostasie incapacity or inhability in any manner of way contracted to dispense therewith or grant to any other any power or faculty of dispensation rehabilitation or restoring the Delinquent to his former condition though but at the barre of conscience neither can nor should these our present Letters availe or be stedable to those who by us and the Apostolick Sea or by any Prelate or Ecclesiastick Iudge have been excommunicated suspended interdicted or declared and publiquely denounced to have justly incurred the sentences and censures of the Church till first they have satisfied and agreed with the parties therein concerned notwithstanding all other Constitutions and Apostolicall Ordinations whereby uevertherlesss the faculty of Absolution in these as well as other expressed cases is so reserved to his Holinesse the Pope for the time being that no kind of Iubilée nor power of granting such indulgences can in any sort availe unlesse expresse mention be made of the fault or faults in particular and the whole tenour of them fully deduced by an individuall relation from word to word and not by generall clauses importing the same thing this or some other exquisite form of the like nature being carefully observed we in that case especially expressely and namely by the effect of these presents do totally abolish and remit them all and every one of them their offences notwithstanding any thing to the contrary Now that these principall Letters of ours which cannot be conveniently brought to every place may the sooner come

rest of those Territories but only subjected to great travell and paines for your Majesties service and common benefit of the Kingdome and people And in the then intended Plantation of Connaught so much complained of by the Remonstrants the same course was observed for avoyding the Pattents of Protestants which were many and for taking part of their lands as of the Roman Catholiques without any difference at all Which course was by the Parliament of Ireland represented to your Majestie as a generall grievance in the Remonstrance sent over by a Committee of Protestants and Papists and redresse obtained in that point In the third Article doth plainly appeare 3. Article contrary to the intention of the Remonstrants and the Princely Fatherly care of blessed King Iames for the generall good of that Kingdome both by sending Commissioners for setling estates and often renewed and enlarged and after Statutes made by your Majestie to confirm all those Graunts And also in sending Cōmissioners to examine grievances and instructions for the general ease of the people All which by the Governours and Officers there was most wililingly obeyed performed so farre as was possible or might any wayes stand with your Majesties service and the general happinesse of the Kingdom as is more particularly expressed in part in the answer to the precedent Article and shal hereafter herein appeare at full All which should have wrought love and obedience in their hearts to so gracious a King and thankfulness to his Ministers who bestowed daily labour for their benefit as appeared wel in the encrease of the Kingdom in all riches and worldly substance far beyond all former times there being no such pressures as might occasion such outcry and should have restrained their unjust malice to the English Government But their desperate hatred to Protestants in general and to English Governours Ministers of State how beneficial soever to them far beyond any of their own working or endevours was so uncessant and prevalent as brought forth all these cursed events and heathenish cruelties And in particular for officers named in this Article and other English officers if particulars may come to an exact examination it will be most cleare That they have done more for the generall peace and prosperitie of the Kingdome then any of these Remonstrants ever offered to doe or could doe And if the English Governours and Officers would have concurred or connived with these Remonstrants practises for setting up Popery and the Abridgement and Diminution of your Majesties Prerogatives Authorities Rights and profits to which end most of their pretended grievances and complaints are framed and devised they might have enjoyed their more tollerable reports and approbation the contrary whereof they deserved not neither will it appeare that they have been questioned for any particular injustice oppression or private disaffection unlesse they be charged with the just detestation of the Remonstrants perfidious breach of faith to your Majestie and undeserved cruelties committed upon your Majesties faithfull Ministers and innocent Protestant subjects who could be no way guilty of the pretended terrours and mis-behaviours of your Majesties Governours and Ministers if any such were neither is this reluctation and hatred in those of the Irish and such of the old English as after degeneration joyned with them against the New English and English Government vernours and the desire to root them out any new thing for it was the same in the raigne of King E. the 3. as appeares by Record and good story It was the same in the raigne of King H. the 8. as appeares by the Statute made 28. H. 8. cap. 1. It was the same in the raigne of Queene Elizabeth as is evident and in all other times when the Kings of England endevoured reformation or reducement there To the 4th Article 4. Article The parts of this Article consisting of Generalls are untrue and unjustly devised to traduce your Majesties gracious Government in all the parts thereof as farre as these Confederates can invent First there are no adherents or instruments who have dealing in the Court of Wards other then the three sworne Judges and the sworne Officers thereof which are not many against whom in particular no just complaint did in twentie years appeare not in the times of the most strict Governours who would have been as was thought apt to give ready eare unto them neither can it appeare that any wilfully erronious Decrees or Judgements were ever given in that Court in which point the Confederates would not have beene wilfully silent if they had had just cause to complaine of any such as they never had neither were the heires of Roman Catholiques Noblemen or others cruelly and tyrannically dealt withall which are scandalous and to your Majestie undutifull tearmes and sinisterly devised But on the contrary it is evident by the records orders and proceedings of that Court ever since the Erection thereof That all Decrees and Judgements there given were grounded on an orderly proceeding in a Chauncery course according to your Majesties Commission in that behalfe Counsell on both sides freely heard and all parties convinced of the justnesse of every Decree or judgement there given and all tollerable respect and moderation used in executing the same so as no man could justly complaine All which part of that Judicature was wholly governed by the Attorney of that Court who is well able to answer for it It also appeares by the Records and Entries in that Court that since the Erection thereof in favour to all your Majesties Subjects aswell Papists as Protestants above two hundred Wardships were granted to the friends of the Ward or unto others of their nomination who in some cases might better be trusted to the use of the heire for payment of their debts preservation of their houses sustentation and preferment of younger Sons and Daughters if not provided for by the Ancestor and their lands leased to their most responsible friends to the same uses and good security given for accompt Most of all which if the Judges of that Court had been regardlesse of the heires and other children or carefull to raise profit to themselves or their friends they might have granted to others by force of their Commission and instructions yet none were granted to strangers to their owne use except by your Majesties immediate Warrants or in some few cases where the parties neglected many Tearms or refused to prosecute or where they obstinately opposed the Kings Tytle and so of necessity it was prosecuted at great charge and travell by others by allowance of the Court which could not otherwise be done and this manner of granting was the safest way for the heire for it being in a strangers name to the use of the heire and strict bonds taken for accompt every friend or kinsman of the heire or younger Children espying any abuse of their estates would be apt to informe often without cause or ground Wheras on the other

be adjudged and put in possession without any Office or Inquisition to be had 18. That your Majesties protestant Subjects may be restbred to the quiet possession of all their Castles Houses Mannors Lands Tenements and Hereditaments and Leases and to the quiet possession of the rents thereof as they had the same before and at the time of the breaking forth of this rebellion and from whence without due processe and judgement of Law they have since then been put or kept cut and may be answered of and for all the meane profits of the same in the interim and for all the time untill they shall be so restored 19. That your Majesties said protestant subjects may also be restored to all their Moneys Plate Jewels Houshouldstuffe Goods and Chattels whatsoever which without due processe or judgement in Law have by the said Confederates been taken or detained from them since the contriving of the said rebellion which may be gained in kind or the full value thereof if the same may not be had in kind and the like restitution to be made for all such things which during the said time have been delivered any person or persons of the said Confederates in trust to be kept or preserved but are by colour thereof still withholden 20. That the establishment and maintenance of a competent Protestant Army and sufficient Protestant souldiers and forces for the time to come be speedily taken into your Majesties prudent just and gracious consideration and such a course laid down and continued according to the tules of good government that your Majesties rights and Laws the Protestant religion and peace of that Kingdome be no more endangered by the like rebellions in time to come 21. That whereas it appeareth in print that the said Confederates amongst other things ayme at the repeale of Poynings Law thereby to open an easie and ready way for the passing of acts of Parliament in Ireland without having them first well confidered of in England which may produce many dangerous consequences both to that Kingdome and to your Majesties other Dominions your Majesty would be pleased to recent and reject all propositions tending to introduce so great a diminution of your Royall and necessary power for the confirmation of your Royall estate and protection of your good protestant Subjects both there and elsewhere 22. That your Majesty out of your grace and favour to your Protestant subjects of Ireland would be pleased to consider effectually of assuring them that you will not give order for or allow of the transmitting into Ireland any act of generall Oblivion release or discharge of Actions or Suits whereby your Majesties said Protestant Subjects there may be barred or deprived of their legall remedies which by your Majesties Laws and Statutes of that Kingdome they may have against the said Confederates or any of them or any of their party for or in respect of any wrongs done unto them or any of their ancestors or predecessors in or concerning their lives liberties persons lands goods or estates since the contriving or breaking forth of the said rebellion 23. That some fit course may be considered of to prevent the filling or overlaying of the Commons house of Parliament in Ireland with popish Recusants being ill affected members and that provision be duely made that none shall vote or sit therein but such as shall first take the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance 24. That the proofes and manifestations of the truth of the severall matters contained in the Petition of your Majesties Protestant subjects of Ireland lately presented to your Majesty may be duely examined discussed and in that respect the finall conclusion of things respited for a convenient time their Agents being ready to attend with their proofes in that behalfe as your Majesty shall appoint Which Remonstrance Answer and Propositions His Majesty received from the said Agents the 27 of Aprill 1644. and the same delivered to Master Secretary Nicholas and then the said Agents desired him to move his Majesty that nothing might be concluded with the Irish Agents untill the said protestant Agents were fully heard and that they might have a Copy of the Propositions of the Irish The next day after Master Secretary Nicholas told them that his Majesty had referred the protestants petition their answer to the rebells Remonstrance and their propositions to the Committee for Irish affaires The 29th of April the protestant Agents were told by one of the Committee for the Irish affaires at Oxford that such of the Committee who were at the reading of the Answer to the Rebells Remonstrance and the Propositions of the protestant Agent said That those Propositions were drawne by the close Committee of London and that they wondered that His Majesty would receive so mutinous a Petition The same day the Protestant Agents being informed by divers persons of quality that the rebells Agents were upon dispatch they waited on the Lord Cottington chiefe of the Committee and desired his Lordship to be a meanes that they might have a Copy of the Rebells Propositions to His Majesty his Lordship seemed a stranger to the businesse and said he knew not any Propositions the Rebells had made and said further that he conceived they meant the Irish Remonstance whereunto they answered that the same was long since printed and that they were not strangers thereunto To which his Lordship replyed that if any such Propositions were made it were fit the same should be made knowne unto them but that he knew of none such Notwithstanding the said Lord Cottington was present at the Committee appointed by His Majesty for Irish affaires the 19 of April when the said Propositions from the Rebells of Ireland were read and by his Lordship and the rest on inviolable secrecy delivered unto Sir William Stewart and Sir Gerard Lowther Sir Philip Percivall and Mr. Justice Donuelland who were sent for out of Ireland and appointed by His Majesty to advise with him upon the Treaty and who received command from their Lordships not to communicate the said Propositions to any body which Injunction of secrecy was a great prejudice to the Protestant cause that those persons being persons of ability and integrity should be restrained from a free communication of all occurrences concerning that affaire with the said Protestant Agents and both they and the Agents were thereby prevented of satisfying severall persons that on false grounds and misinformation of the Rebells and their party who tooke liberty to discourse of the reasonablenesse of the Rebells desires and of the motives inducing the same were deluded with an opinion of the moderatnesse of the Rebells propositions and other their proceedings The same day the Protestant Agents being much troubled with the said Lord Cottingtons answer repaired unto Sir William Stewart Sir Gerard Lowther Sir Philip Percivall and Justice Donuellan and unto Sir George Radcliffe and Sir William Sambach who were added to them for that affaire and acquainted them that they were attending

high and unreasonable in their propositions they must expect nothing but War To which the Agents answered that they were ill furnished for a War but had rather undergoe the hazard of a War then consent to a dishonorable and destructive peace and they further answered that they should betray the trust reposed in them by the Protestants of Ireland if they did admit of any further alterations of the said propositions then as is hereafter mentioned which the said Agents were resolved upon no terms to doe Then Sir George Radcliffe said that he was sure that if the said Agents would fall three parts of foure of the said Propositions that the fourth part would not be consented unto And afterwards Sir George Radclieffe seeing he could no way further prevaile with the said Agents to alter their propositions told them that they were sent over by the Protestants of Ireland to preserve them ☞ and unlesse the said Agents consented to a peace His Majesty being in no condition to send them any reliefe the Irish upon their Agents returne home would destroy the remnant of the Protestants of Ireland and therfore desired the said Agents to consider of some way to secure them To which it was answered by the Protestant Agents that there were five more he yet to come to the end of the Cessation within which time meanes might be found for their reliefe and that it were better that the Protestants should quit Ireland for a time then consent to a destructive peace Then Sir George asked how they could get the Protestants from thence To which it was answered by one of them that His Majesty might make stay of the Irish Agents in England untill the protestants were brought out of Ireland Sir George Radcliff replied that be had rather advise the King to lose that Kingdom then that he should violate his word with the Irish Agents who were come to Treate with His Majesty and had his Majesties promise for their safe returne And the said Sir George said further ☞ that if the Irish had not good conditions it was not likely that they would forbeare Armes untill the end of the time limited by the Articles of Cessation The next day the Protestant Agents delivered the aforesaid propositions unto Secretary Nicholas to be presented to his Majesty or to the Lords of the Committee which he thought fittest which propositions follow in haec verba The humble Propositions of Your Majesties Protestant Agents of Ireland in pursuance of the humble Petition of Your Majesties Protestant subjects aswell Commanders of Your Majesties Army there as others presented to Your Majesty the 18. day of April 1644. and answered by Your Majesty the 25 of the same 1. WE most humbly desire the establishment of the true Protestant Religion in Ireland according to the Lawes and Statutes in the said Kingdome now in force 2. That popery and popish recusants may be suppressed according to the lawes and statutes established in Ireland 3. That the Parliament now sitting in Ireland may be continued for the better setlement of that Kingdome for if that Parliament should be dissolved there would be few or no protestant freeholders found in that Kingdome they being either killed or banished by this rebellion to elect or chuse any of Your Majesties protestant subjects to sit in Parliament hereafter which by consequence may be destructive to Your Majesties rights and prerogatives and protestant subjects in their lives liberties and fortunes 4. That all such lawyers who refuse to take the Oathes of supremacy and alleageance may be suppressed and restrained from practise in that Kingdom the rather because the lawyers in England doe not here practise untill they take the Oath of supremacy And it hath beene found by wofull experience that the advice of the popish lawyers to the people of Ireland hath been a great cause of their continued disobedience 5. That there may be a present absolute suppression and dissolution of all the assumed arbitrary and tyrannicall power which the said confederate Roman Catholiques as they call themselves exercise over Your Majesties subjects both in causes Ecclesiasticall and Temporall 6. That all the Armet and Ammunition of the said confederates may be brought into Your Majesties hands when any conclusion shall be made 7. That Your Majesties protestant subjects ruined and destoyed by the said confederates may be repaired for their great losses out of the estates of the said confederates not formerly by any Act of Parliament in England otherwise disposed of in such manner and measure as Your Majesty in Your high Wisdome shall think fit whereby they may the better be enabled to reinhabit and defend the said Kingdome of Ireland 8. That the said confederates may rebuild the severall Plantation Houses and Castles destroyed by them in Ireland in as good state as they were at the breaking out of the rebellion which Your Majesties protestant subjects have beene bound by their severall patents to build and maintaine for Your Majesties service or otherwise that Your Majesty will discharge Your said protestant subjects of that Covenant or condition in their severall patents and that an Act be passed in this present Parliament to that purpose And whereas severall Castles and Houses were surrendered upon Quarter upon Articles under their hands with solemne Oathes or otherwise to preserve the said Castles and houses from being defaced or demolished That the said confederates who have so Articled with any of Your Majesties protestant subjects may rebuild the said Castles or Houses in as good state as they were at the time of surrendring up of the same upon Articles as aforesaid or such a considerable fine may be levied out of the Estates of the said confederates as may rebuild the said Houses as Your Majesty in your high Wisdome shall think fit 9. That the great arrears of rent due to Your Majesty out of the Estates of Your Majesties protestant subjects at and since Michaelmas 1641. may be paid unto Your Majesty by the said confederates who have either received the said Rents to the uses of he confederates or destroyed the same by disabling Your Majesties protestant subjects to pay the same and have also destroyed all or the most part of all other rents or meanes of support belonging to Your said protestant subjects or that Your said protestant subjects may be discharged of all such arrerages of rents to Your Majesty And that Your Majesty will be further graciously pleased to give an abatement of the great yearly rents payable from Your protestant subjects for some reasonable time as in Your Majesties high wisdome shall be thought fit for their encouragement and enablement to replant that Your Kingdome in respect the said lands for the most part depopulated by the said confederates will not be worth Your Majesties rents for a long time 10. That Your Majesty will be graciously pleased to take into Your Majesties hands so much of the confederates estates as are necessary to be planted