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A18072 A brief apologie of Thomas Cartwright against all such slaunderous accusations as it pleaseth Mr Sutcliffe in seuerall pamphlettes most iniuriously to loade him with Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.; Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601. 1596 (1596) STC 4706; ESTC S118607 15,360 30

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The rent that he yeeldeth for th' one half of the Demaines is but xxx shillings by yeare The rent of the demeines that I receiue although enhanced as farre as the Tennant may liue thereof is yet but xxvi pound by yeare Th' other rentes for Copieholdes come yearely to a iij. pound or thereabouts as I remember So that the whole of that I receiue cometh to litle aboue xxx pound by the yeare To purchase this I solde of the inheritance my Father grandfather left as faire a house for a farme not only as is in that towne where it standeth but in diuers townes about which had betweene eight or nine skoare Acres of arrable land belonging vnto it with commons medow pasture agreable to the Farmes in that countrey by yeere more then three times worth the valew that either my father or I receiued for it yet we receiued betwene eight and nine pounds yearely of cleare rent discharged of all quitte rentes That Mr Sutcliffe may the better enquire into it the Farme is scituate in Waddon in the county of Cambridge seauen miles from Cambridge where I had also a coate with a close adioyning vnto it which I solde when I did sell th' other Now where hee saieth I purchased my landes with my Hospitall I know not why he should so often terme it my Hospitall rather then as it is truly called the Hospitall of the Right honorable the Earle of Leicester But this I know and professe constantly that neither I nor anie for me purchased one foote of lande since I came to the Hospitall I soulde an annuitie in fee-simple of xii pound x. shillings by yeare since I came thither as my L. chief Iustice of her Maiesties comō pleas doth wel know before whom I acknowledge a fine Leases of the Hospitall I neuer made but one onely for which the house not I receiued thirtie poundes And because he draweth me to these accoumptes of th'Hospital I will offer and in the hearing of any equall and indifferent Auditour will make it cleare that besides my continuall trauell for the setling and suites of the Hospitall which I neuer brought vp therevnto would not haue vndertaken for anie money but onely for conscience and duetie to the poore Hospitall my L. trusted me with I haue laied out of mine owne purse fourty markes ouer and aboue that which I haue receiued or am like to receiue vnlesse the stocke which is holden from the house be recouered This partlie may appeare by an Accoumpt I gaue vp vnto her Maiesties Comissioners who had charge amongest others to enquire and certifie the whole estate of the poore Hospitall Now for the two Leases in Welborne They were bought by a friend of mine who beeing the principall dealer is left out whether to draw more envie to me let it be iudged especially of that which heereafter shall appeare I confesse I should haue had a part therin but they were neuer enioied either of him or me but were released to Mr Morgan for that he was not able without his vtter vndooing to performe them And where hee saieth they were worth to me twoo hundred Markes by the yeare They neuer haue bene nor will be woorth to vs both two hundred farthings in all More then that albeit my L. chief Iustice of England dealeth very honorably with vs yet I referre it vnto his iudgement if his Lordshippe will be pleased to speake in so priuate a matter that we are great loosers by Mr Morgan And Mr Morgan if he haue but a sparke of good nature shall be constrained to cōfesse our kinde christian dealing with him both in releasing his bargaine for a summe farre vnderneath the valew it was woorth and forbearing him many yeares with much patience after the forfaiture of his Recognoisance and manie promises broken with vs. Now where hee excuseth these two last charges of being Executor to my Brother Stubbes and of purchase of Lordships as he doth excuse many other things in that he dooth propounde it onely in a question it is vnworthie of anie answere not onely because a question doth more strongly sometimes avowe then a bare affirmation but because he is so violentlie bitterly caried against the petitioner for the thinges hee hath set down by way of question And for his excuse of being mistakē by the report of others I referre it once againe to iudgement how it fitteth with the credite of a Minister of the Gospell to publishe and that in print what soeuer he receiueth by report to the discredite of a Minister of the Gospel and vnlesse Mr Sutcliffe will bring foorth his reporter some will happily conceiue that it is the invention of his owne head And if he did receiue it by report yet seeing he would blow it abroad by so strōg a blast as is the print at the least he should not haue simply affirmed it but set it downe as a report Lastly where he saieth that he desireth not to be acquainted with my estate He forgetteth him selfe For in his former booke as I remember for I haue not the booke at this present he promiseth to be a diligent Surveiour or Auditour of mine others mens Landes And in deed he is ouer diligent that can finde Landes of mine in Warwikeshire and Norfolke wherof I my self nor anie of my friendes know not one foote yet Mr D. Sutcliffe admonished in this behalf of his vntrueth set foorth in his former booke and occasioned thereby to correct him selfe feareth not in this later to affirme boldely that if he haue done amisse it is because he hath set downe to litle to much sayeth he I haue not set downe fol. 69. pa. 2. fol. 70. p. 1. Mr D. Sutcliffes accusation Hauing good store of money he hath good skill to make good vse of it Mr Francis Michell should haue payed him three hundred pound And for the forbearing of it he receiued double vsance Thomas Cartwrightes answere What stoare of money I haue I am not bound to giue Mr Sutcliffe accoumpt what skill I haue to make vse of it may partly appeare by the leases of Mr Morgan And now it will further appeare by my dealing with Mr Francis Michell where first as before he would make mee alone the owner of the two Leases shutting out the principall dealer so heare for th' end before rehearsed he maketh mee Mr Michells Creditor for three hundred pound whereas the Recognoisance he forfeited was to my friend not to me and his principall debt was onely twoo hundred pound and not three hundred poūd Now when the day of paiement approched he came to me in the Fleete and offered me interest to forbeare which I vtterly refusing did notwithstanding at his earnest suite and complaint of his distresse yeeld to forbeare the debte And gaue him a writing of my hand to this effecte that I was for mine owne part content to forbeare him with these conditions first that my graunt should not bee hurtfull to my friend not then in towne and secondly that it should not be preiudiciall to the principall summe of two hundred pound And where as he saieth in the Margen that he will prooue this Interest by shewing the note of mine owne hand let him shew the (a) Heere Mr. Sutc. is put to the iumpe of a piece of his credite note and shame either me or him selfe And if that be not sufficient to cleare my righteousnes in this cause I appeale to his owne father Mr Mickiell who was priuie to the whole course of our dealing with his sonne And we are so farre of from taking Interest of him that to this day beeing about fiue yeares at the least since the money was due we haue not receyued so much as the principall which wee onely demanded of him although we had sued out the forfeiture of his Recognoizance And touching the matter of Interest albeit I haue alwaies bene of iudgement for the lawfulnes of it so it be with such caution as Charitie the rule of dealing with our neighbour be not broken yet in the time of my greatest necessitie when I was beyond the sea I receiuing assurance only for the bare money I left in the handes of my friends did neuer couenant with them for the valew of one penie But was content with what soeuer they them selues of their owne accord did alow whether anie thing or nothing Which dealing alowed of those which are the most bitter aduersaries of Interest Mr Sutcliffe may thinke with him self how vntruly he dealeth with me in his accusation of Double Vsance FINIS
of printing some partes therof which beeing brought to Sir Francis afterwarde much against my will came into the handes of diuers to whom I would neuer haue let them come Mr D. Sutcliffes accusation Mr Cartwright vpon the comming forth of Martin is reported to haue saied that it was no matter if the BB. were so handled seeing they would take no warning fol. 48. p. 1. Thomas Cartwrightes answere Let it be iudged what christian loue it is to committe such things to print vpon a bare report And if the reporters had bene named as in other cases where he doth call out the persons by their names the trueth might haue the better appeared For me I am able to produce witnesses that the first time that euer I heard of Martin Marprelate I testified my great misliking grief for so naughtie and so disorderly a course as that was And therefore where fol. 51. pa. 1. he asketh when I will condemne th'vnlawfull and vnciuill practise of Martin and Penry I aske againe what office or charge I haue to publishe condemnation vpon euery vnlawfull and vnciuill writing that cometh abroad And yet I haue witnesses that euen publikely when I was alowed to preach I condemned all dealing in that kinde Mr D. Sutcliffes accusation fol. 61. p. 1. Extemporall prayers Tho. Cartwright commendeth most highly as being vttered by the holy Ghostes secret inspiration and scarse would be induced when time was to like of a prescript forme of prayer And in the margen is added Thomas Cartwrightes reply Thomas Cartwrightes onswere Where in my replie or in treatise of what matter I remember not nor Mr Sutcliffe I beleeue shall euer shew that Thomas Cartwright hath so litle knowledge of diuinitie as to affirme that the extemporall prayers of anie how able soeuer in these daies are vttered by the holy ghostes secret inspiratiō And in what place or time and in whose hearing could I scarcely be induced to like of a prescript forme of praier The noting of these circūstances which he doth diligently yea curiously where he thinketh they may serue the turne would easely haue bewraied th'vntrueth hereof My cōtinuall practise in the ministerie witnesseth against it for in the space of fiue yeres I preached at Antwerpe and Middelborogh I did euery sunday read the praier out of the booke And all the while I preached at Warwike there were few sermons I euer made there but to my remembrance I did shutt vp the praier either before or after the sermon with the Lordes praier Besides that the praier before the sermon ordinarily was a set and accustomed forme of praier howsoeuer I read it not out of the booke and likewise was that after the sermon some small part excepted where in my praier I applied some principal pointes of the doctrine the handled All which I would not haue done if I had not alowed yea well liked also a prescript forme of praier And hitherto of the former kind of slaunders concerning the breach of necessarie dueties imposed vpon all christians The second of things indifferent in their owne nature foloweth For as touching his charge of odious and ignorant railing c. I referre my self to indifferent iudgemēt vpon the bookes which are extant Mr D. Sutcliffes accusation in his former booke th' effect whereof is That notwithstanding Thomas Cartwright condemneth Executorship in other Ministers of the woord yet that he was content to be Executor to his brother Stubbes his will Looke also fol. 69. pag. 2. of his last booke Thomas Cartwrightes answere I was not so much as named in my brothers will and to put of Mr Sutcliffes shift of answere he hath made to excuse him self in his latter booke that by the woord of last will he would vnderstand anie conveiance lately made before his death wherein trust was committed vnto me I answere that my brother Stubbes did neuer either long before or soone after his death put me in trust with anie of his worldly estate either by woord or writing Neither is there as Mr Sutcliffe surmiseth any vnkindnesse of my Brothers towardes me in not putting me in trust which would not that way be employed or my vnkindnesse towards him who trusted him with my whole estate that way And that my Brothers wife and kindred rested not satisfied with my dealing either is an vntrueth of Mr Sutcliffes report or a most causelesse complaint of their behaulf For where in regard of my wifes portion of twoo hundred pound I had an annuity in fee-simple for default of payment whereof after his death besides th'annuity and arrierages I had a lease of a hundred yeres graunted me of certeine pastures to the yearely valew of six pound by estimatiō for a pepercorne only I was cōtent to th' end that the landes might be sold for the satisfying of my brothers creditours freely and for naught to release my interest in that lease which the law for want of paiement of th'annuitie did euidently cast vpon me also to yeeld vp mine annuitie for the same summe of mony I had payed to my Brother without both which my Brothers lande would haue found no conuenient sale for the paiement of his creditors vntill this day And of my dealing herein I take witnesse of Sir Robert Iermin of Suffolke Mr Atkins Mr Tindall of Lincolnes Inne who were in deed the men my brother trusted with his worldly estate and who in my iudgement acquited the trust my brother reposed in them accordingly Mr D. Sutcliffes accusation In his former booke he saieth that I purchased three or fower good Mannours with the spoile of the Hospitall and that only with the sale of a cottage and three or fower Acres of land or as to my remembrance he speaketh in another place of his former booke as much land as would graze three or foure Goselings Looke also fol. 68. p 2. of his later Booke fol. 69. He may mend the matter if it please him by conveying his landes and leases to his Hospitall By which the law intendeth he hath gotte them for the most part And fol. 70. He hath two leases at Welborne he bought of Mr. Alexander Morgan yerely woorth two hundred markes His landes in Norfolk part wherof he had of his brother Stubbes amount to halfe the summe the valew of that he bought in Warwikeshire he knoweth best him selfe some benefite hee hath made of the leases of the Hospitall Thomas Cartwrightes answere Here is a charge of a purchase of three or foure good Mannors and two good leases both gott for the most part by the spoile of t'Hospitall except the price of some small Cottage c. For the purchase of three or foure Mannours I neuer purchased any Mannour in my life but the Mannour of Saxmundehā in Suffolke wherof I haue yet but he moitie nether shal haue these fourtene or fiftene yeres if one Mr Iohnsons lease be availeable as hitherto he hath enioyed it by me who haue not disturbed his possession